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Jets/Fitzpatrick agree to deal (1 year 12M Fully Guaranteed)

jlukes : 7/27/2016 7:01 pm
per ESPN
With Foles  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/27/2016 7:02 pm : link
On the market, you would think they could have gotten his price down.
Or maybe this deal  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/27/2016 7:04 pm : link
Was on the table and he just took it because Foles is available now.
RE: With Foles  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13047524 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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On the market, you would think they could have gotten his price down.


He wanted $18 per originally. I don't know how much lower they were going to get him.
I think I'd rather have Fitz than whatever the hell foles is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/27/2016 7:06 pm : link
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They actually have a pretty good team.  
arcarsenal : 7/27/2016 7:11 pm : link
Brutal schedule but they really don't have many weak links.
RE: They actually have a pretty good team.  
JayBinQueens : 7/27/2016 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13047537 arcarsenal said:
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Brutal schedule but they really don't have many weak links.


O-line is a question mark. Clady hasn't stayed healthy in a while - Mangold missed a few games last year
RE: They actually have a pretty good team.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13047537 arcarsenal said:
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Brutal schedule but they really don't have many weak links.


If it is anywhere it is probably their OL. Man, time flies. It wasn't too long ago that they had one of the best OLs.
Yeah..  
arcarsenal : 7/27/2016 7:16 pm : link
I mean you're going to find a unit on any team that is a question mark. We have the same one (as well as our LB/S) but I think Forte was a good signing for them. They have two very good WR's now, their defense should be top 5 in football.. maybe top 3.

Going to be an interesting year in NY for football. I think both teams are going in with pretty good rosters. Their schedule is a lot tougher than ours, though.
RE: Yeah..  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13047543 arcarsenal said:
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I mean you're going to find a unit on any team that is a question mark. We have the same one (as well as our LB/S) but I think Forte was a good signing for them. They have two very good WR's now, their defense should be top 5 in football.. maybe top 3.

Going to be an interesting year in NY for football. I think both teams are going in with pretty good rosters. Their schedule is a lot tougher than ours, though.


I don't really hate the Jets. Rex was annoying but it isn't like we are even in the same conference. I hope they finish first in their division and knock the Pats out.
RE: RE: Yeah..  
arcarsenal : 7/27/2016 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13047545 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13047543 arcarsenal said:


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I mean you're going to find a unit on any team that is a question mark. We have the same one (as well as our LB/S) but I think Forte was a good signing for them. They have two very good WR's now, their defense should be top 5 in football.. maybe top 3.

Going to be an interesting year in NY for football. I think both teams are going in with pretty good rosters. Their schedule is a lot tougher than ours, though.



I don't really hate the Jets. Rex was annoying but it isn't like we are even in the same conference. I hope they finish first in their division and knock the Pats out.


Yeah, I like Bowles. I don't mind the Jets. I'll admit I get a little bit of a rise out of their shortcomings but it wouldn't bother me if they had a good season.
He had no leverage, but he got screwed.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/27/2016 7:28 pm : link
The going rate for QBs is 18 mil per. Fitz is nothing special, but quite a few scrubs will be making more than him.
Fitzpatrick had a career year  
Go Terps : 7/27/2016 7:29 pm : link
I doubt he does it twice. A lot went right for the Jets last year; I'd expect a recession this year.
RE: I think I'd rather have Fitz than whatever the hell foles is  
AcidTest : 7/27/2016 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13047533 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Agreed. Not even close actually. Bet Marshall is happy.
Fitz should be thankful he got 12 million  
ZogZerg : 7/27/2016 8:59 pm : link
Average at best.
about average  
spike : 7/27/2016 9:01 pm : link
price for a starting NFL VET QB
can't blame the Jets for not throwing big $$ and years at him.  
Victor in CT : 7/27/2016 9:29 pm : link
He's a career ham and egger who became Joe Hardy last year. Except he turned back into Ryan Fitzpatrick when the playoffs were on the line.
There were very low expectations for Fitzpatrick last year  
Mr. Bungle : 7/27/2016 10:20 pm : link
as Geno Smith's backup. He overachieved when he was thrust into the starting role when no one expected him to be more than a game manager.

This year, there are some pretty strange expectations for him to slip in as a Top 15 starter. But Fitzpatrick is Fitzpatrick. With a playoff berth on the line, didn't he throw three picks in the second half of the final game?
I like Bowles  
mattnyg05 : 7/28/2016 6:11 am : link
But the Jets have a really, really hard schedule. If you look at the teams they faced last year, It was one of the easier slates I've ever seen by the time the season ended. They may be a tad overrated because of that.

If anything, in the world of "let's lose so we can build a team and win big" (which I hate), they may have been better off not signing Fitz and just letting Geno Smith pilot them towards a 5-11 ish record (and a high pick). Instead, they're probably headed towards a 7-9 at best with Fitz and that schedule. But with Brady out it makes some sense at least to give it a shot.
And I can't stand Fitzpatrick anyway  
mattnyg05 : 7/28/2016 6:14 am : link
I think part of the reason why he was so effective last year is that they literally played a JV schedule (including our ferocious Giant defense). He's still better than smith though.
Stupid deal for the Jets  
Bob in Newburgh : 7/28/2016 7:06 am : link
Can he make all the throws? No he has a weak arm.

Can he keep a defense from cheating up? No he has a weak arm.

Do the Jets have receivers who could use a strong arm? Yes

Does he have developmental potential? No, the arm is what is is.

Did he take them to the playoffs last year? No he has a weak arm and came up real small in the big game.

I am not a Geno Smith fan. I am a fan of giving him a real chance now that he has a supporting cast. He may well fail, but the worst thing that could happen is they do not make the playoffs. They certainly are not making the playoffs under Ryan Fitzpatrick.



I like this deal for the JETS.  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/28/2016 8:20 am : link
give it a run with fitz if it doesnt workout, you have henckenberg learn for a year.

GENO wouldnt have done anything.

Are the jets going to keep 4 QBS?

Petty odd man out?
Did they announce corresponding moves  
Shecky : 7/28/2016 8:28 am : link
Didn't think they had the cap room to fit him. Anyone know if they made other moves to get under? Or did the Wilkerson deal give them the cushion they needed?
RE: Did they announce corresponding moves  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2016 9:30 am : link
In comment 13048007 Shecky said:
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Didn't think they had the cap room to fit him. Anyone know if they made other moves to get under? Or did the Wilkerson deal give them the cushion they needed?


They're still over but they have time to get back under. Not sure what the move will be. Not sure what they're going to do with the QB's. They have 4 of them now.. they kind of have to keep Hackenberg since they spent a 2nd rder on him.. are they going to cut Geno or Petty loose? Who knows.
RE: Stupid deal for the Jets  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2016 9:31 am : link
In comment 13047954 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Can he make all the throws? No he has a weak arm.

Can he keep a defense from cheating up? No he has a weak arm.

Do the Jets have receivers who could use a strong arm? Yes

Does he have developmental potential? No, the arm is what is is.

Did he take them to the playoffs last year? No he has a weak arm and came up real small in the big game.

I am not a Geno Smith fan. I am a fan of giving him a real chance now that he has a supporting cast. He may well fail, but the worst thing that could happen is they do not make the playoffs. They certainly are not making the playoffs under Ryan Fitzpatrick.




Why is it a stupid deal? It's one year and he gives them the best chance to win games this year considering what the other options were. They won 10 games last year and Fitz had an excellent season. Do I see him replicating that? No. But if the alternative was Geno smith, it was a no brainer to go with Fitz for another year. Geno is awful. He will never be a passable NFL QB.
Facts not in evidence "Geno Smith is awful"  
Bob in Newburgh : 7/28/2016 9:56 am : link
Based on this logic Eli Manning is awful. Oh that's right he is white and therefore could develop.

Based on this logic a QB can do everything even without receivers. Had none first year, and a mostly hurt Decker second year.

Ignores last 4 games Geno started (Decker close to healthy). Geno performed better than RF could ever hope to. He even had a perfect rating in one of those games.

Jets have a much higher ceiling with Geno. The floor is also substantially lower, I know. I don't consider this important this year because if RF did not take them to the playoffs last year, he is certainly not taking them this year.
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arcarsenal : 7/28/2016 10:02 am : link
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Based on this logic Eli Manning is awful. Oh that's right he is white and therefore could develop.


What the hell does this even mean? And what does it have to do with race? I don't give a shit what color Geno Smith is, he's never looked like a good NFL QB.

Oh, he put up big numbers in a completely meaningless game against Miami to close out 2014. Wow. Impressive.

Not sure what 4 games you're even referring to. The 3 games he started prior to that he threw for 210 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT.. 179 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and 254 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. That's impressive?

They're a better team with Fitzpatrick right now and there's no long-term commitment. It was a no-brainer to bring him back even if I don't see them replicating last year because their schedule is exponentially more difficult.
the key factor is F's age  
fkap : 7/28/2016 10:09 am : link
he could have gotten more guaranteed on a 3 yr deal, but opted to take less on a one yr deal.

IF he performs well again, he's going to get a really good pay day. IF he doesn't, he's back to one year deals at a far reduced price.

at his age, I don't think I would have risked it

It's really hard to feel bad for a guy who had no other suitors, who gets 12 mil for a year's work.
RE: They actually have a pretty good team.  
Section331 : 7/28/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13047537 arcarsenal said:
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Brutal schedule but they really don't have many weak links.


Agreed, they do have a solid, deep team, but they still need a QB. Fitzpatrick has been a journeyman for a reason. Until they get that figured out, I can't see them beating NE. And, as you said, they have a rough sked.
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