NFT: Mets vs Rockies Game 1, Degrom Day!

familia you fuck

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In comment 13048794 bhill410 said:

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why the heck is familia in the game? I thought he said that he was unavailable last night?

because he's the closer ..... or at least he was

TC specifically said he was not available today and Reed would be the closer. Yet here he is.

Familia certainly isn't closing this game.

Terry Collins has pissed me off.

The

Fuck

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Is a moron

In comment 13048802 ZGiants98 said:

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is better than Duda defensively needs to be hit in the back of the head with a shovel.

Loney is light years ahead of duda defensively, it's not even debatable.

As Z said at the time, he should have been in to start the inning. Total WTF moment right there.

and has become unwatchable.

come back here? We're not exactly facing Aroldis Chapman.... LGM!

Before the inning even started I said he should quick hook Familia if he got into any trouble and get Robles in there.. instead, Collins waits for the lead to not only be blown but for us to be trailing to make the move.

And OF FUCKING COURSE, Robles came in and got 2 outs. If he had just taken Familia out when he walked Dahl, we probably win this game.

In comment 13048828 Metnut said:

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come back here? We're not exactly facing Aroldis Chapman.... LGM!

Cmon man, you know how this movie ends. We're going out nice and quiet. Probably 1, 2, 3.

rockies closer comes in 6 pitches 6 strikes.

Familia, with great stuff, comes in and nibbles.

9th takes like half an hour and the bottom of the 9th takes less than 5 minutes

I don't know if I've ever rooted for a team as predictable as this one. The second we failed with the bases loaded and no out, it was pretty clear and when Collins went back to Familia that sealed it.

how you pitch familia if you are that deep in a game and still have both reed and robles healthy.

at the deadline here. And it's not an overreaction I've been saying it for a while.

Walker, Cabrera, Loney, Lagares, TDA, Colon, Verrett Johnson, Grandy, even Cespedes since you know he will opt out.

all should be on the market.

the Mets could probably get better pieces trading Cespedes than they could in a draft pick. Just think similar situation, they gave up Fulmer+ for him a year ago.

Preposterous.

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but if they drop the next 3 games and internally they have no plans to resign ces it may be the smart move. Wont happen, just saying what could be smart.

And it's not as if they have guys significantly underperforming who you would expect to turn it around. You're right that they're unlikely to sell but it would be a smart play.

I'm saying they should be.

think about it, the offense is anemic, they can get these same results with less offense if that's possible.

No position player on this team should be off limits. And many should be shopped starting with the glut of mediocre at-best middle infielders.

In comment 13048865 Greg from LI said:

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And it's not as if they have guys significantly underperforming who you would expect to turn it around. You're right that they're unlikely to sell but it would be a smart play.

I think D'Arnaud and Conforto are significantly underperforming. We're also starting maybe the worst 1B in MLB and will be replacing him with a solid 3 + WAR guy in a few weeks.

I hope Sandy doesn't do a rental, but I'd be fine with standing pat and seeing what happens. 2 games out of a wild card spot with 60 games to go, and being defending NL champions to boot, would be kind of pathetic to waive the white flag IMO.

and find themselves 5 games out by the trade deadline... well... i'd understand the logic better in that case...

think about it if you're two games out of the WC with the worst offense in the league, how is trading away some of that dead weight waving a white flag?

Last in MLB in .avg, 28th in runs, 21st in OPS (thanks to the solo HR), 24th in OBP, 28th in SB's, etc.

and worst in MLB (by a lot) batting with RISP.

In comment 13048887 pjcas18 said:

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think about it if you're two games out of the WC with the worst offense in the league, how is trading away some of that dead weight waving a white flag? Last in MLB in .avg, 28th in runs, 21st in OPS (thanks to the solo HR), 24th in OBP, 28th in SB's, etc. and worst in MLB (by a lot) batting with RISP.

How is Cespedes dead weight? Trading him is certainly waiving the white flag.

Who else could we even trade? Granderson has nil value and we'd be lucky to get someone to take his contract (Melvin Upton is having a better year, is like 5 years younger, and had close to nil value). Colon would have some (not much though!) value but would be waiving the white flag without anyone to replace.

Reed might get a real prospect but bullpen would be weakend. Maybe you could get single A type of live arm for Neil Walker (and give the ABs to Flores with no downgrade).

Mets are suffering from some bad luck with RISP. Good chance that it'll regress too late to matter but I'm still encouraged that they are getting lots of men on base lately.

but he's not moving the needle offensively enough to keep around. That move would be more about the future, but I still don't consider it waving the white flag.

Trading Thor or deGrom is waving the white flag. Trading Reed or Familia is waving the white flag (despite recent struggles).

Familia asked to pitch.

Not sure i buy it, but that's what's being tweeted

we get swept at home on Mike Piazza weekend, maybe we should see what the offers for Ces are. I'll at least concede that.

Rosario to the DL... what a crappy day.

Two years in a row the Thursday before the trade deadline was horrible and had a Familia blown save.

In comment 13048911 Metnut said:

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we get swept at home on Mike Piazza weekend, maybe we should see what the offers for Ces are. I'll at least concede that. Rosario to the DL... what a crappy day. Two years in a row the Thursday before the trade deadline was horrible and had a Familia blown save.

eerily, they both had back to back blown saves.

Conforto hasnt established anything yet

today and yesterday included. Still a lot of time left in the season. Need to get Cespedes (and Reyes) healthy first and foremost. Also need to get Conforto going - I know ADA has been better lately and had a hit, but with Cespedes out it is asinine to not play Conforto every day in LF.

On a seperate note...

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Sources: #Brewers re-engaged #Mets today on Lucroy. Discussions continuing. No indication that deal is close.

I still anticipate that if a big deal materializes it's most likely to happen at the last minute, with Sandy waiting patiently as he did last year once the Gomez trade fell through.

In comment 13048930 Eric on Li said:

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today and yesterday included. Still a lot of time left in the season. Need to get Cespedes (and Reyes) healthy first and foremost. Also need to get Conforto going - I know ADA has been better lately and had a hit, but with Cespedes out it is asinine to not play Conforto every day in LF. On a seperate note... Quote: Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Sources: #Brewers re-engaged #Mets today on Lucroy. Discussions continuing. No indication that deal is close. I still anticipate that if a big deal materializes it's most likely to happen at the last minute, with Sandy waiting patiently as he did last year once the Gomez trade fell through.

How do you know how patient he was?

The Gomez trade was announced on 7/28

It was called off due to Gomez physical on 7/29

it is then rumored the Mets explored several other options including Upton and Jay Bruce.

and the Cespedes trade was announced minutes before the deadline.

So sure, you can say he was patient or you could say he was desperate. The Mets all along were rumored to be uninterested in Cespedes or Upton because they didn't want a rental. And they wound up with a rental (that worked out perfectly), but I'm not sure I'd say it was a result of patience.

Herrera out due to injury
Becerra out of the season
Rosario to the DL

Smith out today, not sure if planned day off, punishment from yesterday, trade, or what

In comment 13048828 Metnut said:

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come back here? We're not exactly facing Aroldis Chapman.... LGM!

Exactly. Common sense eludes TC. He shouldve gone with Robles and Reed for the last two innings for the win.

For Lucroy. Seems steep.

up rumored Ces to DL (or Reyes?)

Wouldn't be totally thrilled but I'd still probably do it. Absolutely no more than that though.

Didn't Lucroy say last year that he didn't want to play in NY though or that he wasn't a "big city guy" ?

That's not exactly what you want to hear from a potential acquisition. You knew a guy like Cespedes was going to embrace the big city so it made a ton of sense. Don't know if that'll be the case with Lucroy.

In comment 13048934 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13048930 Eric on Li said: Quote: today and yesterday included. Still a lot of time left in the season. Need to get Cespedes (and Reyes) healthy first and foremost. Also need to get Conforto going - I know ADA has been better lately and had a hit, but with Cespedes out it is asinine to not play Conforto every day in LF. On a seperate note... Quote: Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Sources: #Brewers re-engaged #Mets today on Lucroy. Discussions continuing. No indication that deal is close. I still anticipate that if a big deal materializes it's most likely to happen at the last minute, with Sandy waiting patiently as he did last year once the Gomez trade fell through. How do you know how patient he was? The Gomez trade was announced on 7/28 It was called off due to Gomez physical on 7/29 it is then rumored the Mets explored several other options including Upton and Jay Bruce. and the Cespedes trade was announced minutes before the deadline. So sure, you can say he was patient or you could say he was desperate. The Mets all along were rumored to be uninterested in Cespedes or Upton because they didn't want a rental. And they wound up with a rental (that worked out perfectly), but I'm not sure I'd say it was a result of patience.

I disagree with all of this. First, Gomez never really "failed" a physical. Sandy wasn't 100 % satisfied with how it looked so he asked Milwaukee to drop their price (still would have done it if they had). He was under huge pressure from the media to get it done and he passed. After the Cespedes deal was done it was reported Sandy was talking to The Tigers early in the day AND had a deal on the table for Bruce if he wanted it (discussed the night prior). Sandy could have pulled the Bruce trigger at any time on the last day but was still shopping for the best deal. All the way up until the end of the day. I see a ton of patience in there when other GMs would have panicked (see Zambrano deal) but I guess we see what we want.

and Flores for Gomez would have been a major fail.

the trade was agreed to.

you can't rewrite history.

Sandy can't simply say I'm having second thoughts.

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A baseball official with direct knowledge of the trade confirmed to USA TODAY Sports that an issue with a physical examination nixed the deal. The person spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the matter. The shocking about-face comes after one Milwaukee teammate even posted a photo of the Brewers� Latin players saying goodbye to Gomez on the team flight.

As good as Fulmer might become, and even if Wheeler never comes back beyond a mediocre pitcher, at the time Wheeler and Flores was thought of as a MUCH higher price than the trade for Cespedes.

Anyway, it's irrelevant, I'm not spending any time on this.

I wouldn't call Sandy at last year's trade deadline patient.

Is it risky to trade Cheech IMO. The guy has the range for SS and the arm strength. His offense is profiling like a pure star there if he can figure out the mental gaffes. Man, would it sting to see him go on to become the next Xander Boegarts. On top of that TDA might actually be better than Lucroy over the next few years and is under more control and is younger. Yikes.

Not sure how I'd feel. Guess it helps us in the short term a little.

We now know it was nixed because Milwaukee wouldn't drop their price. Sandy would have still traded for Gomez if they had.

TdA packing in a trade. I mean, face it, he is really nothing special. At some point you need to stop talking about "potential". The guy is a china doll and has proved absolutely nothing. This is his fourth season with the Mets and I'd have to say that he's a pretty big disappointment. He's going to be 28 next season. Not really sure I see much improvement to what he is...which is a pretty mediocre ballplayer. If we can ship him out for a real catcher, I'd be all for it.

He's been injured a lot. I get it. I dont think you're really dreaming on potential anymore though. TDA OPSed over .800 last year and was a huge component of our postseason push. As for this season, it's still a pretty small sample, but he's been hitting since he's been back.

Lucroy has had three healthy seasons in MLB himself and is 31. He also only has one year left on his deal.

I still would feel like TDA is the best bet to be a solution for a few years here.

That being said, I too would swap TDA for Lucroy. No problem there. It's how much we would be adding to that that has me worried.

Heyman is now saying a mystery team has gotten involved and the Mets are behind anyway so who knows.

JULY 28, 7:11pm: The Mets are believed to be �behind� other organizations in pursuit of Lucroy, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets. But it�s still a �fluid� pursuit for one of the best-available players this summer.

Heyman adds that there�s a mystery team involved. There�s another layer of intrigue here, perhaps, as that could be another report on a solitary, unidentified trying organization � or it may represent the second such unknown entrant to the sweepstakes. (See Crasnick�s report referenced below.)

4:29pm: The Brewers have �re-engaged� with the Mets on Lucroy after New York�s initial offer was reportedly deemed light, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). That doesn�t mean that the sides are anywhere close to a deal, he cautions, but it seems at least that there�s more to discuss.