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NGT: Should the NFL have an actual minor league?

montanagiant : 7/28/2016 11:45 am
Read an interesting interview with Jarryd Hayne (Ex-Rugby player from NZ who played for San Fran last season) who retired from playing in May (would have been a long shot to make the team). While there is the CFL, Arena, and various Overseas leagues, he makes a point about having an actual team affiliated minor league similar to Baseball.

The argument is that it would allow Rookies and those project players to gain the reps and coaching without taking up a roster spot. Only thing I can see detrimental is that given the avg life of an NFLer, it may eat up too much of that time, and you have the injury risk. But overall this also could be an additional revenue stream for the NFL
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Why?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/28/2016 11:48 am : link
The NCAA does it for them, and they don't have to pay them. Plus those players that they get also already have some marketability from their time on a major college football team.
RE: Why?  
montanagiant : 7/28/2016 11:53 am : link
In comment 13048339 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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The NCAA does it for them, and they don't have to pay them. Plus those players that they get also already have some marketability from their time on a major college football team.

To a point it does, but there still is a transition to the NFL game that can't be simulated by College. With a Minor league you're going against the top echelon of College players that are considered good enough to possible play in the NFL
I think so.  
old man : 7/28/2016 11:53 am : link
NFL Europe tested that idea with NFL teams 'sponsoring' those franchises with players, often on competing teams.
Maybe a 2 year max for a player to allow enough time to be evaluated, both by sponsoring and opposing scouts, like college.
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arcarsenal : 7/28/2016 11:55 am : link
It would be impossible. Where would they even play? There are so many reasons why this would never work out.
The cost to run a minor league football team  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/28/2016 11:57 am : link
Is not worth it w the NCAA. NFL Europe might be worth another shot as an untapped market by who is gong to watch these games w HS NCAA and the pros. That's enough content

Shit if it wasnt for fantasy football IMO the NFL would be fucked
No, there is no need for it.  
ZogZerg : 7/28/2016 12:00 pm : link
College does just fine.
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I am Ninja : 7/28/2016 12:20 pm : link
Cant really put my finger on why, maybe its the Giants being down, but Ive really grown to enjoy college more than non-Giant NFL. Its funny to me because I have absolutely no rooting interest in CFB. Just entertaining.
I don't think it's  
Pete in MD : 7/28/2016 12:31 pm : link
a terrible idea. Ideally, the minor league affiliate would be playing the same systems as the parent club. So injury replacements wouldn't be as green as guys signed off of the street. And they would have more game experience than what practice squad players get now. It could improve the product on the field.
They should just expand  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2016 12:38 pm : link
Practice Squads if they feel a need from a player development standpoint. I don't think there is consumer demand.

No one wants to pay and watch that quality of football, the WLAF failed, USFL (not a minor league) failed, XFL was a joke, arena draws dick in most places, it's not needed from a consumer standpoint.

So if it's appropriate from a player development standpoint and you want the guys to get paid and develop have another level of practice squad, or expand the practice squad - which might be semantics if you consider that the equivalent of a minor league.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/28/2016 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13048407 I am Ninja said:
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Cant really put my finger on why, maybe its the Giants being down, but Ive really grown to enjoy college more than non-Giant NFL. Its funny to me because I have absolutely no rooting interest in CFB. Just entertaining.


It's because every game maters in the NCAA. 1 loss can break a season. There is a hell of a lot more passion in the NCAA and so many different types of teams.
Is the FXFL coming  
Pete in MD : 7/28/2016 1:04 pm : link
back this year? They played in 2015 but only had three teams, two in New York (Brooklyn and Hudson Valley) and the third was a traveling team. The league owner was hoping it would grow into the NFL D-league.
Between College Football  
Beer Man : 7/28/2016 2:07 pm : link
and the Practice Squad, they sort of do.
The argument against College as the de facto minor league is that  
montanagiant : 7/28/2016 2:15 pm : link
Only 1.6% of College players are deemed NFL worthy. So 98% of the time those talented enough to compete in the NFL are playing against substandard competition.

Don't get me wrong, College definitely aids in prepping a player for the NFL, but the argument for the minor league is based on upper echelon players getting time against those at their level
Considering the average career is less than three years  
WideRight : 7/28/2016 2:21 pm : link
Minor league might as well be Siberia.

And would the NFL want to be liable for CTE for another thousand players who will have no impact on revenue?
I don't think it could work  
UConn4523 : 7/28/2016 2:26 pm : link
first and foremost is health. You can justify what they go through with their pay, but what about trying to sign these guys for pennies on the dollar for minor leagues? How is it remotely worth it for them? Its almost unethical since the abuse they would take is exactly the same.
RE: The argument against College as the de facto minor league is that  
mitch300 : 7/28/2016 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13048608 montanagiant said:
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Only 1.6% of College players are deemed NFL worthy. So 98% of the time those talented enough to compete in the NFL are playing against substandard competition.

Don't get me wrong, College definitely aids in prepping a player for the NFL, but the argument for the minor league is based on upper echelon players getting time against those at their level


That's the point I was going to make. Also the fact that it is a physical sport there is a better chance of injuries than say MLB.
it's a huge project  
Les in TO : 7/28/2016 2:41 pm : link
the nfl is only league of the big 4 without minors. It would be a huge project to undertake as presumably all 32 teams would need a minor league affiliate, you would need to find 32 cities/owners willing to start up the teams, the NFL draft would end up being like 25 rounds. I guess you could leverage some of the college and high school fields across the country. I don't think it's a huge priority of the league relative to international expansion and making the game safer.

They should really  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/28/2016 3:19 pm : link
Start by creating teams abroad that Would help create prospects from all over the world.
A start would be to allow affiliated independent teams  
KeoweeFan : 7/28/2016 6:19 pm : link
without trying to also run a league that mirrors the NFL.
Remember the Westchester Bulls? Bob Tucker?
I had a friend who was QB for them many moons ago.
24 starters and a 53 man roster not including practice squad  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2016 6:32 pm : link
Plenty of current roster spots are used for development purposes and depth already
The NFL should definitely  
Jay on the Island : 7/28/2016 6:59 pm : link
have a minor league system and I am surprised that it hasn't happened already. It would allow teams the opportunity to develop raw players by giving them actual game experience rather than languishing on the practice squad. It would also prevent teams from stashing players on injured reserve.
How would you call a guy up from the minors?  
Patrick77 : 7/28/2016 8:08 pm : link
The quality of play in the minor league would be horrendous. Just awful.

Expanding practice squads, rosters, and the game day roster is needed much more with the current practice rules. For a minor league to work you essentially need to copy your offensive and defensive game plan in order for it to be useful. Otherwise the CFL, ncaa, and arena leagues fill the need.
It isn't remotely..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/28/2016 8:25 pm : link
feasible.

First, you'd need to find secondary markets that can afford to draw 10,000 or less fans per game. Put guys on a minimal paycheck with the threat of career altering injuries on the horizon. Then, you have to expand the organizations so that they fund these teams at a huge loss.

They had this several times before, it was called the WFL, the USFL, the XFL, etc.
Say hello to your NY/NJ Knights!  
smshmth8690 : 7/28/2016 9:05 pm : link
I have to admit, I had season tickets, and still have the jersey somewhere.

Yaaaaaaaassssss  
ThatLimerickGuy : 7/28/2016 10:28 pm : link
What we need is relegation.

Give 32 more small crap cities teams and have them duke it out for a spot in the NFL while the Browns go down to fight their way back up.

Week 1 ... 2020.....Giants v. Boise Potatoheads
I would love relegation  
JohnF : 7/29/2016 11:21 am : link
but that will never work with US TV markets. Imagine the Giants, Bears, Rams and Bears being "relegated" to the lower league...something that very well could have happened. Then try to pitch a multi billion dollar contract to Fox/CBS/NBC with the smaller team markets. Not going to work.

So let's see:

1) Can't play during the Fall/Winter. Too much competition with High School/College/NFL. Stadium and TV Time open slots will be few, not NFL quality

2) So, you'd have to play Spring/Summer. It's been done before (USFL, XFL, WFL, etc). The same thing comes up every time...too much money invested, not enough coming back for 50 men squads. All those leagues found you can't make money with conventional open air stadiums, 11 man football during that time. Too many costs (including health care coverage) and not enough paying fans/TV.

3) The NFL has a free pipeline of the best young players every year coming from the NCAA. You're simply not going to get enough players coming from an NFL Developmental League back to justify the cost.

4) The NFL didn't get where it was by throwing money away. This is a billion dollar league that still has part time refs, and makes cities pay through the nose for the "priviledge" of having an NFL franchise. Goes back to Mr. Halas.

The only way to have anything like this is to take over Arena. Yes, Arena is current drawing poorly, but a lot of that has to do with poor management, and lack of quality athletes since the pay is poor. When the pay was better, you had better attendance.

If the NFL takes over Arena, and does direct team affiliation (for example, the Giants have a team in NJ, the Jets in MSG), then things change. NFL backing would be a game changer, not only for attendance, but advertising. You'd have money coming in, salaries would rise, you'd have better players, and better play.

In addition, Arena is better suited for exporting to other countries, since you don't need to recruit as many players, and everyone has a hockey rink/basketball area these days. You don't need 40,000 attendance to break even, 10-14k would be fine.

Now, I understand you won't get a full developmental league. Arena would be good for WR's and QB's, not as good for linemen, LB's and CB's. But think about it..the NFL is starving for QB's, and spending around $400 million a year on QB salaries.

You can develop QB's in Arena, and also coaches (Jay Gruden was coach of the Orlando Predators). And Arena has drawn in other countries (France, Mexico, China, Australia). If the NFl really wants to export the brand, this is the best way to do it.
If The Donald owned a team  
BobOnLI : 7/29/2016 12:18 pm : link
he would make the league great!
Sorry  
BobOnLI : 7/29/2016 12:20 pm : link
didn't mean to insert politics into a good thread. I was trying to be humorous and failed.
RE: Sorry  
montanagiant : 7/29/2016 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13049529 BobOnLI said:
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didn't mean to insert politics into a good thread. I was trying to be humorous and failed.

I thought it was funny
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