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How many more games would we have won if JPP was healthy

BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/28/2016 11:46 am
I think we could have beaten the Cowboys and Falcons in week 1 and 2. Maybe a good pass rusher would have helped get the Saints off the field at least 1 extra time.

So for me it would have been a +3 swing.
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arcarsenal : 7/28/2016 11:48 am : link
That's being awful generous. I'd say maybe 1 game.

Healthy JPP would have really helped us but he's not Lawrence Taylor.
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Victor in CT : 7/28/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 13048338 arcarsenal said:
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That's being awful generous. I'd say maybe 1 game.

Healthy JPP would have really helped us but he's not Lawrence Taylor.


agree completely
With all he had against him,  
Randy in CT : 7/28/2016 12:02 pm : link
he was still our best defensive player so you can't put too much more potential team improvement on his shoulders.

He will be a demon out there this year, however. If anyone wants to bet with me on the over ten sacks, just let me know.
One more, maybe 2 at best  
est1986 : 7/28/2016 12:04 pm : link
We would have beat Dallas in Week 1 that is for damn sure. Maybe Atlanta Week 2 but that's about it.
We may have been 9-7  
SGMen : 7/28/2016 12:06 pm : link
He would have been our only true pass rusher.

We lost 6 games in the last two minutes. A "healthy" JPP may have been a difference maker in half those games. Just one play per game on defense could have made a difference.

I said at the end of last year that 3 things killed us:

1. Injuries in-season
2. Injuries off-season (JPP and Beatty)
3. TC's clock management and new defensive scheme taking time to learn it.

If just JPP and LT Beatty, hurt off-season, had been healthy and playing to their abilities had played 16 strong games and TC had managed the clock better, we may have been 10-6 in our weak division (winning 4 of 6 in last two minutes where we lost).

Alas, injuries are part of the game and we just had a bad run of them last year (secondary, DL, LB).
What if an astroid  
ZogZerg : 7/28/2016 12:18 pm : link
hid Giants stadium during a game?
Romo  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/28/2016 12:33 pm : link
Was just dining and dunking us at the end of that game, and I just think that a little bit of pressure would have won the game for us. Hell the defense actually scored the majority of the points for us that night.
Considering that with JPP,  
an_idol_mind : 7/28/2016 12:42 pm : link
the Giants gave up losses late to the Patriots, Jets, and Panthers, I find it tough to argue that his presence alone would have saved the day against the Cowboys, Falcons, or Saints.
I disagree  
NYG007 : 7/28/2016 1:10 pm : link
We lost 8 games that we could have won with any resemblance of a guy on D who could make a play. I put healthy JPP at easily 4 more wins.
We would have been 8-8, 9-7 at best  
dpinzow : 7/28/2016 2:56 pm : link
JPP couldn't fix that DL all by himself
RE: I disagree  
SGMen : 7/28/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13048516 NYG007 said:
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We lost 8 games that we could have won with any resemblance of a guy on D who could make a play. I put healthy JPP at easily 4 more wins.
I have the Giants 9-7 with JPP. 10-6 if we had JPP, Beatty and a clock-minded HC Coughlin. The offense and specials were solid and we were +7 with turnovers. A little bit of talent and better coaching and we are 10-6, division champs, easy.

Remember, LT E. Flowers was slated to spend his rookie year as a RT until Beatty tore his pec working out. A healthy, usually solid Beatty on the left and a rookie RT in Flowers playing an "easier" position could have propelled us to say 4th in scoring and 6th in yards? A superb offense?? (along with JPP on defense).
a healthy, motivated JPP  
fkap : 7/28/2016 3:06 pm : link
easily swings one game from an L to a W. You don't franchise tag a guy who can't achieve at least that.

the flip side, though, is a healthy, motivated JPP means Coughlin may very well still be the HC.

I'm not glad a guy lost a large part of his hand, but I am glad it led to some regime change.

RE: One more, maybe 2 at best  
giantgiantfan : 7/28/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13048377 est1986 said:
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We would have beat Dallas in Week 1 that is for damn sure. Maybe Atlanta Week 2 but that's about it.


Might have helped versus New Orleans, New England, and Carolina. Those were all close games. Who knows. Doesn't matter.

On with 2016.
RE: RE: One more, maybe 2 at best  
SGMen : 7/28/2016 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13048788 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 13048377 est1986 said:


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We would have beat Dallas in Week 1 that is for damn sure. Maybe Atlanta Week 2 but that's about it.



Might have helped versus New Orleans, New England, and Carolina. Those were all close games. Who knows. Doesn't matter.

On with 2016.
Hypotheticals are for fun, yes, but I'm moving towards focusing on Camp 2016 and game 1. If we get through camp and game 1 healthy (game 1's tend to have the most injuries, IMHO, or so it seems as it is the first time teams are full speed and really whacking each other).

I like the look of 1-0, 2-0, 3-0 and then Monday night on a tough road game in MN. Stop Peterson and pressure QB. If we are healthy we'll still move the ball on that solid defense. If we somehow got to 4-0, with our defense just beginning to gel, we'd be looking really good for a return to Division Champions.
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oldog : 7/28/2016 5:23 pm : link
3.
I wonder what would have happened  
Doomster : 7/28/2016 9:14 pm : link
if I had put two spoons of sugar in my coffee this morning, instead of one?
Doomster with a little funny  
Jimmy Googs : 7/28/2016 9:59 pm : link
good for you...
If they had a few more guys healthy for most of the year  
djm : 7/28/2016 10:19 pm : link
They would have had a better chance in many if not all of the tough losses. How many we will never know.
That defense wss beyond saving  
Go Terps : 7/28/2016 10:27 pm : link
So awful.
RE: I wonder what would have happened  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 7:30 am : link
In comment 13049085 Doomster said:
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if I had put two spoons of sugar in my coffee this morning, instead of one?


You'd be one step closer to heart disease or Cancer..😜
yeah I tend to agree with Terps  
djm : 7/29/2016 10:23 am : link
maybe not to the extent that extreme extent but JPP alone would have only helped so much. It would have given the Giants defense more outs but you can't assume that the Giants win 1-2-3 more games thanks to one guy.
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