“My hand feels great,” Pierre-Paul said, via ESPN.com. “No complaining, no nothing. I’ve been training hard, been getting after it and getting ready to play some football. The club isn’t going to be an issue or anything. My right hand feels like my left hand. I don’t have to prove anything. It’s free will. I know I don’t need nothing to go out there to protect myself. I feel comfortable in using my hand and striking with it and hitting with it. I’m very excited to show people, ‘Hey, nothing has changed.
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Channeling the Reverend Holy Moley ;)
I'm not a believer-yet..But, when it comes to the Giants, I can be very patient, unlike my 20s, 30s and 40s...
That he'll be able to grip, clutch and tackle effectively
And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already.
The grip thing already has caused him to miss 3-4 pressures where he couldn't bring the QB down.
Just as people saying he'll never be able to play again are off base, so are those thinking that he's not hindered at all. He wasn't our best pass rusher last year because he is superhuman, he was our best because he was better than dogshit.
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And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already.
The grip thing already has caused him to miss 3-4 pressures where he couldn't bring the QB down.
Just as people saying he'll never be able to play again are off base, so are those thinking that he's not hindered at all. He wasn't our best pass rusher last year because he is superhuman, he was our best because he was better than dogshit.
The club caused him to miss a couple of tackles (I dont remember seeing 4, I think it was 1 or 2).
Since he is not wearing the club, that is irrelevant.
He didn't prove anything last year? Alrighty.
Is he wearing something that gives him grip strength? If not, he still has a pesky problem of trying to nullify physics by gripping and pulling a person down with 3 fingers.
Let's not be ignorant here - he certainly has lost effectiveness in grabbing when tackling. It doesn't make him a poor players, but it certainly can have an impact on making crucial sacks and tackles.
It had a noticeable impact last year.
Like I said above, it isn't going to make him a poor player, but it also is going to keep him from making some plays he used to, possibly at critical points.
Never said that either, this isn't black and white. I think this is nothing more than fans not wanting to be disappointed (which I don't get, especially now that I am older). There is absolutely zero reason not to be excited, enthusiastic, and hopeful for JPP. Yes, I don't have a crystal ball looking to the future, I just have the information that everyone else does. That information tells me his hand is in infinitely better shape than when he played last year, and he's actually gripping weights and using both hands for linemen drills.
We have no choice but to wait and see until the games start, but i've seen nothing yet that indicates he won't be vastly better than last year.
Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.
People can laud the guy for working his ass off, but until it translates into production, it still is a situation with a guy self-destructing and hurting himself and the team.
He went from being a possible Superstar, top 5 DE in the league to a guy who is going to be very good (top 20) as his ceiling.
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last year, then alrighty then. I'm not..We shall see how he does in this salary drive year. Hopefully enough to MAKE A DIFFERENCE..You think he will. I don't..We BOTH shall see this season..
Never said that either, this isn't black and white. I think this is nothing more than fans not wanting to be disappointed (which I don't get, especially now that I am older). There is absolutely zero reason not to be excited, enthusiastic, and hopeful for JPP. Yes, I don't have a crystal ball looking to the future, I just have the information that everyone else does. That information tells me his hand is in infinitely better shape than when he played last year, and he's actually gripping weights and using both hands for linemen drills.
We have no choice but to wait and see until the games start, but i've seen nothing yet that indicates he won't be vastly better than last year.
this a a big difference from your original comment:
"why not?
UConn4523 : 10:35 am : link : reply
he's exceeded all expectations thus far and should be much improved from last year. He's been proving every non-believer wrong thus far, I don't see that really stopping.
And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already."
I'm basing it on limitations of missing 2.5 fingers.
I'm cautious with my JPP enthusiasm. Not so cautious with my outlook on the rest of the team. I'm excited about what this year could be
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Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.
I'm basing it on limitations of missing 2.5 fingers.
Then why are you bringing up plays from last year?
To me all of that means he will have what he needs to be an impact player on this defense.
Never thought he was a bad kid but I think this was a huge wake up call. I see a JJ Watt and as food has he has been there really was t a reason for JPP to not be better. I know the year of the back injury hurt him but I almost think it came so easily.
Also he had much better help in he DL his rookie year. This year even though we over paid for Vernon he's a legit starting DE w more upside potential. I think Spags is going to be a lot more aggressive again
Because they were plays missed by a guy with minimal use of a hand. You want to blame it on a club? Fine. But that's the only evidence we have. Like I said above, a glove doesn't give any additional grip strength.
Fit him with a titanium claw and the discussion is different.
Until he shows otherwise and does something no one outside of a kicker has done in the NFL, he'll have to prove that he can play well missing 2.5 fingers. Some of you are just assuming he's going to return to pre-explosion days simply because he's working hard.
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...make one hand just like the other!
Channeling the Reverend Holy Moley ;)
Holy Moley: "He was not cured because Jesus was not in his heart. Why was he not cured? You heard his accent. He came up from Godless Cuba. This sp*c comes up here and wants God to cure him? My friends, God will not cure no sp*cs!"
I said that using a glove instead of a club will increase his ability to grip. That is hardly speculative.
He is not wearing a club. He will be wearing a glove
Again, who said this? I have no idea why this is so black and white for certain people.
UCONN - this is what you initially said:
What expectations? That he'd see the field and play again?
The expectations of a player who has 2.5 fingers?
My point isn't that he's going to suck. It is:
a) He's not going to be as good as he was - which was one of the best DE's in the game
b) If he's working so hard now, why did it take losing a couple digits to have that happen - and all that hard work is going to serve to make him an adequate player at best
I mean ron mexico is saying people shouldn't assume he's going to be limited because he lost the club?? What kind of take is that? The guy lost 2.5 fingers. Assuming he'll never be as good as he was is probably the easiest assumption to make. But you keep trying to slant the argument into black and white - it isn't that. Nobody is saying he's going to be useless. You know what I think he'll be?
An adequate player who will get some pressures and a few sacks, but a guy who would've been a whole lot more productive with an entire hand.
I said that he will have more use of the hand with a glove then with a club
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this year he will not be.
Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.
Like I said above - I'm basing the assumption of him playing with 2.5 less fingers, not a club.
The speculation is that having a glove doesn't magically provide grip, nor does it ensure he will play better. For all we know, what little he'll gain with grip will be offset by the possible leverage he had with a club.
The only assumption I'm making is that a JPP with 7.5 fingers is worse than one with 10.
JPP workout videos - ( New Window )
I'll bet you 1,000,000 internet dollars he has more than 3 sacks
UCONN - this is what you initially said:
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he's exceeded all expectations thus far and should be much improved from last year. He's been proving every non-believer wrong thus far, I don't see that really stopping.
What expectations? That he'd see the field and play again?
The expectations of a player who has 2.5 fingers?
My point isn't that he's going to suck. It is:
a) He's not going to be as good as he was - which was one of the best DE's in the game
b) If he's working so hard now, why did it take losing a couple digits to have that happen - and all that hard work is going to serve to make him an adequate player at best
I mean ron mexico is saying people shouldn't assume he's going to be limited because he lost the club?? What kind of take is that? The guy lost 2.5 fingers. Assuming he'll never be as good as he was is probably the easiest assumption to make. But you keep trying to slant the argument into black and white - it isn't that. Nobody is saying he's going to be useless. You know what I think he'll be?
An adequate player who will get some pressures and a few sacks, but a guy who would've been a whole lot more productive with an entire hand.
Yes and I'll say it for the 3rd time. Most here and in general didn't think he'd play again, is that not exceeding an expectation when he did in fact do that. He didn't just stand around on the field, he played and at times played well.
He likely won't be as good as 2011 JPP but I don't think anyone expects that. We expect him to be a good player again. As for why he's working hard, I'm not even going to go down that road and not sure why you asked. It's also irrelevant to this conversation.
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I'll bet you 1,000,000 internet dollars he has more than 3 sacks
I have no real idea..All I usually ever predict are playoffs and not records. Oh and that TC amd Eli will be HOFers..What ballot? No idea