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JPP: My right hand feels like my left hand

Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2016 4:56 pm
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“My hand feels great,” Pierre-Paul said, via ESPN.com. “No complaining, no nothing. I’ve been training hard, been getting after it and getting ready to play some football. The club isn’t going to be an issue or anything. My right hand feels like my left hand. I don’t have to prove anything. It’s free will. I know I don’t need nothing to go out there to protect myself. I feel comfortable in using my hand and striking with it and hitting with it. I’m very excited to show people, ‘Hey, nothing has changed.




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2011 we won a Superbowl with Eli and JPP  
Coach Mason : 7/28/2016 6:13 pm : link
Playing out of their minds. If JPP can approach that level again, this could be a very exciting year.
JPP is going to be a beast this year  
BillT : 7/28/2016 6:56 pm : link
The guy was making plays last year playing with one hand. So looking forward to the JPP, Doug Free matchup week one.
RE: Please Lord...  
Jay in Toronto : 7/28/2016 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13048904 BMac said:
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...make one hand just like the other!


Channeling the Reverend Holy Moley ;)
he might just mean from jerking off :-)  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2016 8:39 am : link
but seriously, great to hear that he feels good, but he still has to show that he can TACKLE with that hand.
RE: he might just mean from jerking off :-)  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 13049227 Victor in CT said:
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but seriously, great to hear that he feels good, but he still has to show that he can TACKLE with that hand.


I'm not a believer-yet..But, when it comes to the Giants, I can be very patient, unlike my 20s, 30s and 40s...
what aren't you a believer in  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 10:03 am : link
?
RE: what aren't you a believer in  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 10:22 am : link
In comment 13049309 UConn4523 said:
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That he'll be able to grip, clutch and tackle effectively
why not?  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 10:35 am : link
he's exceeded all expectations thus far and should be much improved from last year. He's been proving every non-believer wrong thus far, I don't see that really stopping.

And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already.
Actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 10:38 am : link
this is still a major concern.

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And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already.


The grip thing already has caused him to miss 3-4 pressures where he couldn't bring the QB down.

Just as people saying he'll never be able to play again are off base, so are those thinking that he's not hindered at all. He wasn't our best pass rusher last year because he is superhuman, he was our best because he was better than dogshit.
He almost had to stand out on arguably  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 10:40 am : link
the worst defense ever assembled. That doesn't mean he proved anything. So no, I'm not convinced of anything at this point other than his desire to prove many wrong. Maybe.
RE: Actually..  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 13049349 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this is still a major concern.



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And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already.



The grip thing already has caused him to miss 3-4 pressures where he couldn't bring the QB down.

Just as people saying he'll never be able to play again are off base, so are those thinking that he's not hindered at all. He wasn't our best pass rusher last year because he is superhuman, he was our best because he was better than dogshit.


The club caused him to miss a couple of tackles (I dont remember seeing 4, I think it was 1 or 2).

Since he is not wearing the club, that is irrelevant.
RE: He almost had to stand out on arguably  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 13049352 Big Blue '56 said:
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the worst defense ever assembled. That doesn't mean he proved anything. So no, I'm not convinced of anything at this point other than his desire to prove many wrong. Maybe.


He didn't prove anything last year? Alrighty.
FMiC  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 10:48 am : link
I don't think a single person thinks JPP hasn't or won't be hindered at all. That's a very off-base statement.
Not irrelevant...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 10:50 am : link
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Since he is not wearing the club, that is irrelevant.


Is he wearing something that gives him grip strength? If not, he still has a pesky problem of trying to nullify physics by gripping and pulling a person down with 3 fingers.

Let's not be ignorant here - he certainly has lost effectiveness in grabbing when tackling. It doesn't make him a poor players, but it certainly can have an impact on making crucial sacks and tackles.
If you follow him on FB  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2016 10:51 am : link
You see him working constantly including grip exercises and dumbbell presses of over 100 pounds each hand. His grip will be markedly improved. Just like a complete/healthy hand? No. Much better than it was. Plus he might be in the best shape of his career.
If you're satisfied with what he "proved"  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 10:51 am : link
last year, then alrighty then. I'm not..We shall see how he does in this salary drive year. Hopefully enough to MAKE A DIFFERENCE..You think he will. I don't..We BOTH shall see this season..
UConn,...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 10:51 am : link
saying the issue has been "massively overblown" sounds like it won't have much of an impact at all.

It had a noticeable impact last year.

Like I said above, it isn't going to make him a poor player, but it also is going to keep him from making some plays he used to, possibly at critical points.
RE: If you're satisfied with what he  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 13049369 Big Blue '56 said:
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last year, then alrighty then. I'm not..We shall see how he does in this salary drive year. Hopefully enough to MAKE A DIFFERENCE..You think he will. I don't..We BOTH shall see this season..


Never said that either, this isn't black and white. I think this is nothing more than fans not wanting to be disappointed (which I don't get, especially now that I am older). There is absolutely zero reason not to be excited, enthusiastic, and hopeful for JPP. Yes, I don't have a crystal ball looking to the future, I just have the information that everyone else does. That information tells me his hand is in infinitely better shape than when he played last year, and he's actually gripping weights and using both hands for linemen drills.

We have no choice but to wait and see until the games start, but i've seen nothing yet that indicates he won't be vastly better than last year.
Last year he was wearing a club  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 10:57 am : link
this year he will not be.

Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.
I have two and a half..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 10:58 am : link
reasons not to be excited.

People can laud the guy for working his ass off, but until it translates into production, it still is a situation with a guy self-destructing and hurting himself and the team.

He went from being a possible Superstar, top 5 DE in the league to a guy who is going to be very good (top 20) as his ceiling.
RE: RE: If you're satisfied with what he  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13049377 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13049369 Big Blue '56 said:


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last year, then alrighty then. I'm not..We shall see how he does in this salary drive year. Hopefully enough to MAKE A DIFFERENCE..You think he will. I don't..We BOTH shall see this season..



Never said that either, this isn't black and white. I think this is nothing more than fans not wanting to be disappointed (which I don't get, especially now that I am older). There is absolutely zero reason not to be excited, enthusiastic, and hopeful for JPP. Yes, I don't have a crystal ball looking to the future, I just have the information that everyone else does. That information tells me his hand is in infinitely better shape than when he played last year, and he's actually gripping weights and using both hands for linemen drills.

We have no choice but to wait and see until the games start, but i've seen nothing yet that indicates he won't be vastly better than last year.


this a a big difference from your original comment:

"why not?
UConn4523 : 10:35 am : link : reply
he's exceeded all expectations thus far and should be much improved from last year. He's been proving every non-believer wrong thus far, I don't see that really stopping.

And the whole grip thing is massively over blown (just like him never playing again because of it was). Sure, its a hell of a lot easier to grip and tackle with 5 fully functional fingers, but he did it last year with some success already."
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 10:59 am : link
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Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.


I'm basing it on limitations of missing 2.5 fingers.
Uconn, for Fats and I, there is  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 11:02 am : link
a very real reason not to be enthusiastic vis a vis looking towards JPP's year in '16, but we have legitimate concerns about his ability to grasp and hold and take down..If I'm misstating FMiC's stance here, then fine, I'll stand alond with this..

I'm cautious with my JPP enthusiasm. Not so cautious with my outlook on the rest of the team. I'm excited about what this year could be
RE: Huh??  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 11:02 am : link
In comment 13049385 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.



I'm basing it on limitations of missing 2.5 fingers.


Then why are you bringing up plays from last year?

FMiC  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 11:03 am : link
by over blown I meant that people used that as the reason he'd never play again. He did. He proved a lot last year, more in terms of want and desire (which was actually always questioned during his time here as well) but also being over his back injury (which is pretty important). He needed a lot of work on his hand, but reports have been good, workouts have been good, and he's using it, apparently with no pain.

To me all of that means he will have what he needs to be an impact player on this defense.
RE: Yeah it's easy to make jokes about this situation  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/29/2016 11:35 am : link
In comment 13048920 mfsd said:
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but IMO JPP has really showed us a lot with the way he's come back from the injury. Hoping to see a big year from him


Never thought he was a bad kid but I think this was a huge wake up call. I see a JJ Watt and as food has he has been there really was t a reason for JPP to not be better. I know the year of the back injury hurt him but I almost think it came so easily.

Also he had much better help in he DL his rookie year. This year even though we over paid for Vernon he's a legit starting DE w more upside potential. I think Spags is going to be a lot more aggressive again
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 11:38 am : link
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Then why are you bringing up plays from last year?


Because they were plays missed by a guy with minimal use of a hand. You want to blame it on a club? Fine. But that's the only evidence we have. Like I said above, a glove doesn't give any additional grip strength.

Fit him with a titanium claw and the discussion is different.
A glove will certanly increase his ability to grip over a club  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 11:50 am : link
can we at least agree on that?
ability to grip and use his hand in general  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 11:51 am : link
(well except the ability to use it as a club)
I'm not sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 11:58 am : link
where the argument is? Saying that using a glove instead of a club will make him more effective is speculative. My point is that no matter how hard he's worked, he'll still be less of a player than he was. Whatever implement he uses on his hand (barring an illegal apparatus that gives him grip strength), he'll be forever less effective.

Until he shows otherwise and does something no one outside of a kicker has done in the NFL, he'll have to prove that he can play well missing 2.5 fingers. Some of you are just assuming he's going to return to pre-explosion days simply because he's working hard.
RE: RE: Please Lord...  
BMac : 7/29/2016 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13048999 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 13048904 BMac said:


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...make one hand just like the other!



Channeling the Reverend Holy Moley ;)


Holy Moley: "He was not cured because Jesus was not in his heart. Why was he not cured? You heard his accent. He came up from Godless Cuba. This sp*c comes up here and wants God to cure him? My friends, God will not cure no sp*cs!"
The club won't be an issue?!  
Shockwave : 7/29/2016 12:27 pm : link
He is still going to wear a club? The guy is done then
RE: I'm not sure..  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13049483 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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where the argument is? Saying that using a glove instead of a club will make him more effective is speculative.


I said that using a glove instead of a club will increase his ability to grip. That is hardly speculative.





RE: The club won't be an issue?!  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13049545 Shockwave said:
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He is still going to wear a club? The guy is done then


He is not wearing a club. He will be wearing a glove
it's speculative until he plays and shows that it works  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2016 12:33 pm : link
they haven't even played a preseason game yet people are pronouncing cured.
RE: it's speculative until he plays and shows that it works  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13049555 Victor in CT said:
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they haven't even played a preseason game yet people are pronouncing cured.


Again, who said this? I have no idea why this is so black and white for certain people.
It's only black and white..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 1:08 pm : link
when people try to slant the argument that way.

UCONN - this is what you initially said:
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he's exceeded all expectations thus far and should be much improved from last year. He's been proving every non-believer wrong thus far, I don't see that really stopping.


What expectations? That he'd see the field and play again?

The expectations of a player who has 2.5 fingers?

My point isn't that he's going to suck. It is:
a) He's not going to be as good as he was - which was one of the best DE's in the game
b) If he's working so hard now, why did it take losing a couple digits to have that happen - and all that hard work is going to serve to make him an adequate player at best

I mean ron mexico is saying people shouldn't assume he's going to be limited because he lost the club?? What kind of take is that? The guy lost 2.5 fingers. Assuming he'll never be as good as he was is probably the easiest assumption to make. But you keep trying to slant the argument into black and white - it isn't that. Nobody is saying he's going to be useless. You know what I think he'll be?

An adequate player who will get some pressures and a few sacks, but a guy who would've been a whole lot more productive with an entire hand.
holy fuck you are dense  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 1:11 pm : link
I never said he isn't going to be limited

I said that he will have more use of the hand with a glove then with a club
Not dense at all..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 1:15 pm : link
You said this:
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Last year he was wearing a club
ron mexico : 10:57 am : link : reply
this year he will not be.

Basing any speculation on how he will play this year based on limitations from wearing the club makes no sense.


Like I said above - I'm basing the assumption of him playing with 2.5 less fingers, not a club.

The speculation is that having a glove doesn't magically provide grip, nor does it ensure he will play better. For all we know, what little he'll gain with grip will be offset by the possible leverage he had with a club.

The only assumption I'm making is that a JPP with 7.5 fingers is worse than one with 10.
I still will take  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2016 1:17 pm : link
the over 10 sacks. Who's in?
Not me...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2016 1:23 pm : link
I think a 5 sack total is the threshold.
Not that this proves anything  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2016 1:24 pm : link
definitely:
JPP workout videos - ( New Window )
3 sacks  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 1:25 pm : link
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RE: 3 sacks  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13049639 Big Blue '56 said:
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What about the second game?
I dont know about 10 sacks  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 1:26 pm : link
But I will bet that he is more effective this year than he was last year by any reasonable metric.
5,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 1:27 pm : link
one short of the record
RE: 3 sacks  
ron mexico : 7/29/2016 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13049639 Big Blue '56 said:
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I'll bet you 1,000,000 internet dollars he has more than 3 sacks
RE: It's only black and white..  
UConn4523 : 7/29/2016 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13049600 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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when people try to slant the argument that way.

UCONN - this is what you initially said:


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he's exceeded all expectations thus far and should be much improved from last year. He's been proving every non-believer wrong thus far, I don't see that really stopping.



What expectations? That he'd see the field and play again?

The expectations of a player who has 2.5 fingers?

My point isn't that he's going to suck. It is:
a) He's not going to be as good as he was - which was one of the best DE's in the game
b) If he's working so hard now, why did it take losing a couple digits to have that happen - and all that hard work is going to serve to make him an adequate player at best

I mean ron mexico is saying people shouldn't assume he's going to be limited because he lost the club?? What kind of take is that? The guy lost 2.5 fingers. Assuming he'll never be as good as he was is probably the easiest assumption to make. But you keep trying to slant the argument into black and white - it isn't that. Nobody is saying he's going to be useless. You know what I think he'll be?

An adequate player who will get some pressures and a few sacks, but a guy who would've been a whole lot more productive with an entire hand.


Yes and I'll say it for the 3rd time. Most here and in general didn't think he'd play again, is that not exceeding an expectation when he did in fact do that. He didn't just stand around on the field, he played and at times played well.

He likely won't be as good as 2011 JPP but I don't think anyone expects that. We expect him to be a good player again. As for why he's working hard, I'm not even going to go down that road and not sure why you asked. It's also irrelevant to this conversation.
He was the only DE on the team last year  
RobCarpenter : 7/29/2016 1:38 pm : link
who would actually catch up to and tackle RBs upfield.
RE: RE: 3 sacks  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13049647 ron mexico said:
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In comment 13049639 Big Blue '56 said:


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I'll bet you 1,000,000 internet dollars he has more than 3 sacks


I have no real idea..All I usually ever predict are playoffs and not records. Oh and that TC amd Eli will be HOFers..What ballot? No idea
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