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djm : 7/29/2016 10:59 am
Papa is on as we speak.


Mentioned Cruz and feels he's going to be fine but to be fair he was looking pretty good last season before going down with the calf. Mentioned what many of us have said that the Giants don't need 2011 Cruz, just need a steady option and he can provide that. Still, need to see Cruz playing in games to believe it.

JPP couldn't tackle or sack anyone last year. The new glove would appear to help JPP's cause this year but Papa needs to see it to believe it.

Take the 5 games they blew with NOTHING on D and flip 3 of them and the Giants are in the playoffs.

I missed some of what was said. Nothing earth shattering but I figured everyone would want to know.
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so why is practice closed to the public?  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/29/2016 11:08 am : link
..
Bad weather.  
Klaatu : 7/29/2016 11:10 am : link
So they moved practice indoors.
Beningo and Roberts?  
njm : 7/29/2016 11:17 am : link
Oh Lord. I actually listened to WFAN for the first time in a while for a few minutes driving home last week when they were covering for Francesa and it was"

"Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets
Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets"

I hope they remember what they're covering today.
They were entertaining yesterday afternoon during the drive home  
jcn56 : 7/29/2016 11:20 am : link
I don't listen much either, but I was actually in the car at that time, and happened to tune in. Not that I wish the Mets any harm, but their meltdown was immediate comedic gold from those two.
RE: Beningo and Roberts?  
Fred-in-Florida : 7/29/2016 11:22 am : link
In comment 13049411 njm said:
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Oh Lord. I actually listened to WFAN for the first time in a while for a few minutes driving home last week when they were covering for Francesa and it was"

"Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets
Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets"

I hope they remember what they're covering today.


What time is it on? I just linked in and I got Carlin and Jones!
They suck. I can't wait for Mike to come back. Benigno is awful.  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2016 11:28 am : link
After hearing him whine yesterday that "how could Keith Hernandez call that a good baseball game?" because the Mets lost I'm done.

FAN should leave them in their normal slot and put Kim Jones on when Mike is off.
and Carlin with Kim Jones  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2016 11:29 am : link
good duo. Malussis sucks
my god some of the callers are so dumb and lost it's scary  
djm : 7/29/2016 11:30 am : link
..some wad just called in and BLASTED Reese. And when I say blasted --he wants the Giants to lose this season so they can rid themselves of the horrendous Reese.

Some fans don't deserve to win.
RE: Beningo and Roberts?  
micky : 7/29/2016 11:30 am : link
In comment 13049411 njm said:
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Oh Lord. I actually listened to WFAN for the first time in a while for a few minutes driving home last week when they were covering for Francesa and it was"

"Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets
Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets"

I hope they remember what they're covering today.



lol..sadly...but true
i'll just come out and say it  
djm : 7/29/2016 11:32 am : link
some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.
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Klaatu : 7/29/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 13049433 djm said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.


Well, one poster here referred to him as a "diversity hire," so I won't say you're completely wrong, but I think most of the criticism directed at JR has nothing to do with his race.
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djm : 7/29/2016 11:43 am : link
I get why fans want to defend Coughlin and Reese would seemingly be the perfect villain but man, how can a fan hate Reese THAT much? OK you want to get on him a bit fine but many fans act like this guy has done nothing but fail here. Many more condemn his good drafts because guys got hurt. 2008 was a great draft it's not Reese's fault the guys all got hurt.

Most fans don't see color but Reese has done so much good for this franchise. I am shocked that this guy gets crushed the way he does at times. Some Fans are fucking dumb.
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Big Al : 7/29/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 13049433 djm said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.
I would tend to believe that the overwhelming cause of "sketchy" criticism here is due to stupidity.
djm  
Klaatu : 7/29/2016 11:45 am : link
I think it has more to do with stupidity and less to do with racism. I daresay the majority of Reese-bashers would be just fine with, say, Ozzie Newsome as our GM.
Couldn't have anything to do  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2016 11:45 am : link
with the multiple shit drafts over recent years. Nah, not at all.

Ooof. Brutal as usual.
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steve in ky : 7/29/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 13049433 djm said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.


I think much of it is because many fans perceive that Coughlin was fired for what was largely Reese's failures.

He is the guy who remained and takes some heat because of it.
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TyFromQueens : 7/29/2016 11:48 am : link
In comment 13049433 djm said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.


I hate to say it as well.

Especially on A Giants forum. Especially here,and especially since this is all about our love for our team.

But I think it plays apart.

Overall,Success and the lack there of as far as the craft and the record is what it's really about.

When Reese first came on board with that 07 draft class,and with the early success this team had once he became GM...many Gmen fans touted him as the best GM in sports.

Losing changed that. It wen from "In Reese we trust" to "Reese won with Accorsi Picks"
*As far as the draft*  
TyFromQueens : 7/29/2016 11:49 am : link
Sorry for the typo.
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Big Al : 7/29/2016 11:54 am : link
In comment 13049456 steve in ky said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I think much of it is because many fans perceive that Coughlin was fired for what was largely Reese's failures.

He is the guy who remained and takes some heat because of it.
i do see the racist old White men here trying to protect the legacy of their hero Coughlin.
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njm : 7/29/2016 11:57 am : link
In comment 13049433 djm said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.


I won't say zero part but I think you're overstating it. George Young went from hero to pariah when the team started losing. How many EA bashing posts were there when they were losing? I think the overwhelming factor for the negativity is losing, not race.
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djm : 7/29/2016 11:59 am : link
In comment 13049456 steve in ky said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I think much of it is because many fans perceive that Coughlin was fired for what was largely Reese's failures.

He is the guy who remained and takes some heat because of it.


No doubt this is true. And if Reese was whiter than Vanilla ice he'd still be in the cross hairs of many. But the hate for him is still over the top.

Dave in Hobo, you're missing the point.
BRO BENIGNO BRO  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/29/2016 11:59 am : link
JPP, you only got one hand, HOW BOUT DAT?
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djm : 7/29/2016 12:00 pm : link
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I won't say zero part but I think you're overstating it. George Young went from hero to pariah when the team started losing. How many EA bashing posts were there when they were losing? I think the overwhelming factor for the negativity is losing, not race.


That's just it though, this is worse in my view. Young and Accorsi took heat but not like this. Maybe I am reaching but it seems worse.
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steve in ky : 7/29/2016 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13049482 njm said:
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I won't say zero part but I think you're overstating it. George Young went from hero to pariah when the team started losing. How many EA bashing posts were there when they were losing? I think the overwhelming factor for the negativity is losing, not race.


Exactly. With the far majority of fans it all comes down to wins and losses. There is likley as many people who perceive the criticism because of race as there are criticism driven by race.
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Dave in Hoboken : 7/29/2016 12:02 pm : link
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I think much of it is because many fans perceive that Coughlin was fired for what was largely Reese's failures.

He is the guy who remained and takes some heat because of it.



No doubt this is true. And if Reese was whiter than Vanilla ice he'd still be in the cross hairs of many. But the hate for him is still over the top.

Dave in Hobo, you're missing the point.


If Reese was not liked, or not given proper credit when the Giants were winning, I'd completely agree. But...he was. To the point the "In Reese We Trust" moniker was started on here.

I actually wanted TC fired after the 2014 season and was willing to give Reese one more season than TC (2015). So, I don't think I'm missing the point. I think people today ALWAYS love to bring race into every little thing that they can to excuse being awful at ones' job. Like...in this case. :)
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Victor in CT : 7/29/2016 12:02 pm : link
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I won't say zero part but I think you're overstating it. George Young went from hero to pariah when the team started losing. How many EA bashing posts were there when they were losing? I think the overwhelming factor for the negativity is losing, not race.



That's just it though, this is worse in my view. Young and Accorsi took heat but not like this. Maybe I am reaching but it seems worse.


Did Young and Accorsi have 3 straight losing seasons, go 2-6 in the half season prior and miss the playoffs for for 4 straight years EVER?
GO SEE MY MAN CRAIG FINA  
Mr. Bungle : 7/29/2016 12:03 pm : link
AT SMITHTOWN NISSAN!!!!
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njm : 7/29/2016 12:03 pm : link
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some of the hatred and venom directed at Reese from many fans is sketchy to say the least. Don't tell me his race doesn't play a part. It most certainly does. I'm not naive enough to believe it doesn't.



I won't say zero part but I think you're overstating it. George Young went from hero to pariah when the team started losing. How many EA bashing posts were there when they were losing? I think the overwhelming factor for the negativity is losing, not race.



That's just it though, this is worse in my view. Young and Accorsi took heat but not like this. Maybe I am reaching but it seems worse.


Maybe not with Young. But remember, he took the team from Herm Edwards to 2 SB wins. EA? I see no difference.
C'mon, that's standard fan behavior.  
jcn56 : 7/29/2016 12:03 pm : link
Simms won us our first SB and was a solid QB for years - remember the end for him here? There were people shouting for Hostetler from the stands.

I wasn't one of them, but they sure as hell existed. Some people have short term memories and unrealistic expectations. Are there some racists in that crowd? I'm sure there are a few folks that either blatantly or subtly factor racism into it, but I'd bet that most of them are just delusional.
Remember the loving pet name we had here?  
Big Al : 7/29/2016 12:07 pm : link
Nosferatu.
People hated George Young and EA as well  
ZogZerg : 7/29/2016 12:10 pm : link
That's what fans do.
Jennings is on now  
djm : 7/29/2016 12:19 pm : link
(Beningo) hot finish to 2015--bla bla bla..(jennings) wants to be the bell cow..wants to pickup where he left off. Not about me but he wants to be the man and every RB should feel that way. We have a good team want to win an NFL title. Doesn't necessarily hurt to be in committee but it doesn't help.

(Beningo) how bout the transition from Coughlin to McAdoo--(Jennings) you don't replace Coughlin --HOF coach but we got the best coach to fill that spot. McAdoo commands the room and you have to possess a respectful voice and definitely does. Commands a room. THe HC now has to manage a different dynamic now that he's not just the OC, he's the HC.

Beningo--team has a chance to be very dynamic or prolific on O. (Jennings) - our commander n chief is Eli--the guy understands EVERYTHING. Not trying to learn the O anymore now trying to master it. Goes on to say Sheppard is young, quick feet and wants to be good. Compares him to BEckham (wow) does things before and after practice--you want that on your team. Excited to see him progress. Beckahm still hasn't lost that chip on his shoulder. On Cruz, he's out there---(Jennings) is excited--watching certain tapes of Cruz moving out there you get excited. He looks very good. Works hard and his presence will be huge. Roberts goes on to say the offense could be sick. Everyone agrees.

Sorry for the choppiness of the posts or dialogue --just trying to get the convo in print before I forget.
RE: Beningo and Roberts?  
13ODB : 7/29/2016 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13049411 njm said:
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Oh Lord. I actually listened to WFAN for the first time in a while for a few minutes driving home last week when they were covering for Francesa and it was"

"Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets
Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets"

I hope they remember what they're covering today.



Evan already found a way to get the Mets into two giants topics smh
Isn't Benigno a Jets fan?  
EricJ : 7/29/2016 12:25 pm : link
?
HEAD OVER TO ANTHONY'S COAL-FIRED PIZZA  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/29/2016 12:27 pm : link
ANTHONY'S FAMOUS MEATBALLS
yeah you guys are (probably) right  
djm : 7/29/2016 12:55 pm : link
didn't mean to race up the thread. I get defensive with anything NYG, especially Reese who I have long admired. The hate he receives bothers me...that's all.
RE: RE: Beningo and Roberts?  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/29/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13049533 13ODB said:
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Oh Lord. I actually listened to WFAN for the first time in a while for a few minutes driving home last week when they were covering for Francesa and it was"

"Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets
Bro, bro, bro
Mets, Mets, Mets
Bro, bro, bro
Jets, Jets, Jets"

I hope they remember what they're covering today.




Evan already found a way to get the Mets into two giants topics smh
He always does
Yes any "hatred" is stupid regarding a sport.  
montanagiant : 7/29/2016 12:59 pm : link
But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!
RE: Yes any  
drkenneth : 7/29/2016 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13049591 montanagiant said:
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But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!


How is Coughlin constantly "mocked"?
RE: Yes any  
Mason : 7/29/2016 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13049591 montanagiant said:
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But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!


Both have been mocked and praised on here. Actually it is funny how development has now shifted to being a GM issue when on other teams it is a coaching staff issue. One of the best things I heard McAdoo say after the draft that it is on the coaches to develop talent.
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montanagiant : 7/29/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13049624 drkenneth said:
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But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!



How is Coughlin constantly "mocked"?

HAve you read ANY threads regarding Coughlin on here since he left?
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drkenneth : 7/29/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13049642 montanagiant said:
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But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!



How is Coughlin constantly "mocked"?


HAve you read ANY threads regarding Coughlin on here since he left?


Yes. I've been involved with most of them as it has been a hot-button issue here.

Any suggestion that Coughlin may not be the best coach of all time is met with fierce opposition.

Again- Who "mocked" Coughlin? There is a large portion here who cannot accept that he was part of the issue, as was talent and injuries. It was simply time to move on, and the rest of the NFL agrees as he is no longer coaching in the league.

Reese has eaten far more shit recently than Coughlin ever did.
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OBJ_AllDay : 7/29/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13049446 djm said:
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I get why fans want to defend Coughlin and Reese would seemingly be the perfect villain but man, how can a fan hate Reese THAT much? OK you want to get on him a bit fine but many fans act like this guy has done nothing but fail here. Many more condemn his good drafts because guys got hurt. 2008 was a great draft it's not Reese's fault the guys all got hurt.

Most fans don't see color but Reese has done so much good for this franchise. I am shocked that this guy gets crushed the way he does at times. Some Fans are fucking dumb.


For the most part fans get on those who don't perform. Race isn't the issue. Fans love strahan, beckham, Bradshaw, Jacobs etc and don't like randle, cc brown, Jerry Reese etc... It's a performance matter and in recent years Reese has done a poor job
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montanagiant : 7/29/2016 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13049650 drkenneth said:
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But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!



How is Coughlin constantly "mocked"?


HAve you read ANY threads regarding Coughlin on here since he left?



Yes. I've been involved with most of them as it has been a hot-button issue here.

Any suggestion that Coughlin may not be the best coach of all time is met with fierce opposition.

Again- Who "mocked" Coughlin? There is a large portion here who cannot accept that he was part of the issue, as was talent and injuries. It was simply time to move on, and the rest of the NFL agrees as he is no longer coaching in the league.

Reese has eaten far more shit recently than Coughlin ever did.

LOL...Give me a break, every single thread about TC has a mocking, insulting posts in them. Sitting here claiming "Well Reese has more lately" as some kind of justification is silly to say the least. Reese has more threads because Reese is still with the team, and we still may make some moves. Those factors alone will generate more opposing views.

The point here that this is race based is what is wrong
And if this team goes 10-6 this year?  
drkenneth : 7/29/2016 1:52 pm : link
Is Reese no longer a fuckup?

This team hasn't been well coached either. Should have been 8-8 at worst last year.
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drkenneth : 7/29/2016 1:53 pm : link
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But when you have the owners of the team themselves calling Reese out then you can't blame it on "Race".

Meanwhile the guy who left and coached us to two of our greatest SB runs gets constantly mocked on here, and he is white....Go figure!



How is Coughlin constantly "mocked"?


HAve you read ANY threads regarding Coughlin on here since he left?



Yes. I've been involved with most of them as it has been a hot-button issue here.

Any suggestion that Coughlin may not be the best coach of all time is met with fierce opposition.

Again- Who "mocked" Coughlin? There is a large portion here who cannot accept that he was part of the issue, as was talent and injuries. It was simply time to move on, and the rest of the NFL agrees as he is no longer coaching in the league.

Reese has eaten far more shit recently than Coughlin ever did.


LOL...Give me a break, every single thread about TC has a mocking, insulting posts in them. Sitting here claiming "Well Reese has more lately" as some kind of justification is silly to say the least. Reese has more threads because Reese is still with the team, and we still may make some moves. Those factors alone will generate more opposing views.

The point here that this is race based is what is wrong


I never mentioned race. I'll ask again: What insulting posts have you seen?

I'm dying to know what you find insulting.
And your embellished claim of  
montanagiant : 7/29/2016 1:53 pm : link
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Anything less then Coughlin may not be the best coach of all time
Is both disingenuous and a complete fabrication.

Tell you what, you show me ONE post where someone claims he was best coach of all time
RE: HEAD OVER TO ANTHONY'S COAL-FIRED PIZZA  
Chef : 7/29/2016 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13049548 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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ANTHONY'S FAMOUS MEATBALLS


AND THE RICOTTA.. THE BROCOLLI RABE AND SAUSAGE IS PHENOMENAL!
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drkenneth : 7/29/2016 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13049667 montanagiant said:
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Anything less then Coughlin may not be the best coach of all time

Is both disingenuous and a complete fabrication.

Tell you what, you show me ONE post where someone claims he was best coach of all time


I was clearly being facetious. There was a whole thread last week on Coughlin as best Giant HC....and there were posters who got offended at the suggestion Parcells was a better HC.

Coughlin was largely absolved of any responsibility here.

I'm simply saying he wasn't great the past few years either. If he was, he'd still have a job somewhere (coaching).

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montanagiant : 7/29/2016 2:03 pm : link
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I never mentioned race. I'll ask again: What insulting posts have you seen?

I'm dying to know what you find insulting.

Are you that lacking in being able to follow and comprehend a discussion? Race has been mentioned a few times in this thread, thus why it is mentioned in my response. In addition are you claiming you have not seen mocking and insulting posts regarding Coughlin? I'm confused here, YOU just wrote earlier that "Reese has received more shit recently" and now you're sitting claiming that Coughlin does not catch any after he has left?

Obviously you have seen them, so what is the need for me to show you one? Or are you claiming he does not get insulted or mocked in threads? Which one is it?
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