NFT: Yankees Thread 07.29 - Trade Deadline Getting Closer

was the one who reported the Miller rumor

Doesn't sound right.

I think you do that one.

You do that deal.

In comment 13049612 RAIN said:

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Doesn't sound right. I think you do that one.

You do it but I don't believe it. Nats have been very adamant that they won't trade him

They get a GREAT deal.

They need him for a slim chance of sneaking to the Wild card and any team that gets him is getting a HUGE slugger and CLUTCH asset for the postseason and stretch run, no way we trade him to an AL team who would pay a ton unless they get a great deal. However if Miller is traded, Beltran will absolutely be traded immediately after that As it would signal a complete surrender for this season.

I think the QO will be north of 16 Million. They better be sure they will be ok with him at that amount if they make the offer. He could pull a Rasmus.

In comment 13049638 Heisenberg said:

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I think the QO will be north of 16 Million. They better be sure they will be ok with him at that amount if they make the offer. He could pull a Rasmus.

Who cares about the money? its the yankees.

rumor, or the reporter's name?

think his exact quote was "according to sources, the Nationals are willing to give up Giolito for Miller straight up".

to make a World Series run. Both hitting and SP have been awful for much of the season. Didi and Castro are the only two starters under 30. They need to find good young talent to build the next dynasty. If they can get some great prospects for the older talent on the team, then they need to make the move. Delaying is only going to hurt future chances.

The Yankees need to make that trade before the Nats get on the phone with KC about Dsvis. Giolito is the best pitching prospect in baseball. You don't get an opportunity like this often.

That said, I don't believe it for a minute. The Nats have said it over and over, they are not dealing Giolito. Maybe the recent bullpen struggles and fan pressure has made them change their minds, but I'd be shocked. I sure would love to see Giolito in pinstripes though.

I'm hesitant to put all eggs in one basket like that. Young pitchers are just so damned fragile and unpredictable.

isn't a true ace (at least not in the US). You get Giolito,
and Severino straightens out, push Tanaka to # 2 or 3, then you have a pretty formidable top 3 rotation. Eovaldi as # 4 is pretty damn good. He seems like a guy who would be better with less pressure to be "the man".

But Giolito is special. It's a risk, for sure. But with the Yankees system fairly void of quality major league ready arms, this is a chance they can't blow, if it's even true. And Giolito could enter the rotation right now. The Nats have been very careful with his innings because they want him available late in the season.

In comment 13049683 Greg from LI said:

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I'm hesitant to put all eggs in one basket like that. Young pitchers are just so damned fragile and unpredictable.

Maybe so, but too many old pitchers aren't going to get you anywhere either.

How does Severino, Giolito, Tanaka, Eovaldi and CC sound for next year? Could sub Pinata or one of their farmhands as the # 5 as well

I'm not going to be upset if that deal happens, but I will have a nagging worry that his elbow will explode the minute he's in pinstripes.

In comment 13049612 RAIN said:

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Doesn't sound right. I think you do that one.

I am seeing the same from a couple of sources. I agree, if true they should make that trade. Giolito is 22, and considered by many to be the best pitching prospect in baseball.

of Beltran, I'll reiterate what I said last night.

Anything less than 2 premium prospects is a travesty.

In comment 13049693 BigBlueShock said:

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But Giolito is special. It's a risk, for sure. But with the Yankees system fairly void of quality major league ready arms, this is a chance they can't blow, if it's even true. And Giolito could enter the rotation right now. The Nats have been very careful with his innings because they want him available late in the season.

I don't see it as a big risk. Miller is 32, how much does a 32-year old reliever play in the future plans of the team. His value will never again be as high as it is right now.

In comment 13049704 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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of Beltran, I'll reiterate what I said last night. Anything less than 2 premium prospects is a travesty.

Agree. If Nunez is worth Top 100 prospect, Beltran should be worth 2 at least

In comment 13049695 Greg from LI said:

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I'm not going to be upset if that deal happens, but I will have a nagging worry that his elbow will explode the minute he's in pinstripes.

He already had TJ a couple of years ago.

Wade Davis.

They want more than one player in return for Miller. Well, I mean, they'd probably take Harper back straight-up, but you know what I mean :)

Beltran's value is suppressed by his age and defensive ineptitude, not to mention the fact that he's a rental. The best option if they want to deal Beltran, I suspect, is packaging him with Miller.

What round of the MLB draft will they receive an extra pick?

In comment 13049721 Beer Man said:

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What round of the MLB draft will they receive an extra pick?

They would have to make him a 1 yr ~ $16 mill qualifying offer. If he turns it down and goes FA they get "tweener" pick at the end of the 1st round.

So then the question is, do they want him back?

to Miller. They could have him for one more year and trade him next year for a below-Giolito level prospect. The only reason to trade him before that is if they got several top level prospects or an elite prospect.

In comment 13049732 Greg from LI said:

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So then the question is, do they want him back?

Which is why there is speculation they will trade him from teams that need a bat.

The Yankees are in a uniquely good spot here. They can make any or all of these deals to brighten their future and remain for 2016 pretty much what they have been for the last few years: an 80-86 win team. And they can let Refsnyder, Judge and Hicks (I know, he's been a bust) get more playing time.

They've been giving him more opportunities to play lately and he's doing nothing with it. They have a bunch of decent outfielders in Scranton who could get a shot, no need to keep giving Hicks chances.

In comment 13049743 Greg from LI said:

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They've been giving him more opportunities to play lately and he's doing nothing with it. They have a bunch of decent outfielders in Scranton who could get a shot, no need to keep giving Hicks chances.

You're right. If they have the young guys they should play them over him. They might even get a low level prospect back for Hicks from a contender who needs an OF glove down the stretch.

None of them are future All-Stars or anything, but any of them might very well be a decent MLB outfielder. Gamel's already on the 40 man so it would be easiest to give him the first crack at it, although spots could open up via trades.

In comment 13049750 Greg from LI said:

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None of them are future All-Stars or anything, but any of them might very well be a decent MLB outfielder. Gamel's already on the 40 man so it would be easiest to give him the first crack at it, although spots could open up via trades.

good info. thanks

Gamel (24 yo) - 90 games, .299/.360/.410, 4 HR, 5 3B, 20 3B, 16-22 SB

Cave (23) - 59 games, .279/.343/.441, 4 HR, 6 3B, 12 2B

Austin (24) - 45 games, .323/.421/.658, 12 HR, 18 2B

is putting all the eggs in a single basket. Trading a top closer for a top pitching prospect to me really isn't. Yes he's fragile, but if his arm falls off you're out a closer. You can sign one in the offseason. Downgrade, sure, but still a solid closer, especially if Melancon gets moved (no QO). If Sale's arm falls off, you're out a farm system.

Still, when Miller is the biggest trade chip they have by far, it would suck to trade him for one prospect and then see that guy's arm fall apart.

I know it makes sense, long-term, if they get a great offer, but it had better be AMAZING, because they're tough to watch even with him (being last in OPS in the AL).

Beltran really wouldn't be a bad guy to have around if they're breaking in a bunch of young guys, so, worst-case, they extend QO and he takes it, they'd pay ARod to play golf...
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My last thing is this: use that famous Yankees check book to DFA/release A-Rod and get a live body that can contribute on the bench. It would be addition by subtraction.

I wouldn't empty my prospects for Chris Sale at this stage of the Yankees development.

I couldn't possibly care less about this season if it means strengthening their future.

In comment 13049768 Don Draper said:

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I know it makes sense, long-term, if they get a great offer, but it had better be AMAZING, because they're tough to watch even with him (being last in OPS in the AL). Beltran really wouldn't be a bad guy to have around if they're breaking in a bunch of young guys, so, worst-case, they extend QO and he takes it, they'd pay ARod to play golf... MLB Team Stats - 2016 - ( New Window )

Irrelevant. They're unwatchable now.

his 700th homer because they're going to have little else to try to promote to get people in the seats.

In comment 13049777 Greg from LI said:

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his 700th homer because they're going to have little else to try to promote to get people in the seats.

Do you think anyone cares? I really don't. He's not a beloved Yankee, as many people hate him as like him, if not more. I always thought that was tops among the stupid reasons that Hankenstein gave for outbidding himself to resign him after the infamous World Series opt out.

Not because I hate ARod - never did, not at all - but because trotting him out there at age 41 just to reach a milestone is silly and counterproductive. However, someone somewhere apparently disagrees.

They should go ahead and play him enough to get to 700 this season...

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the thinking is that the Yankees won't get rid of ARod before he gets Greg from LI : 3:17 pm : link : reply his 700th homer because they're going to have little else to try to promote to get people in the seats.

He has 2 HR since June 3rd, more than 100 ABs. They'd have to trot him out for a long time to guarantee that happened, and in the meantime they'd be playing with a short bench. That's a lot of money for an event that probably costs more in the bonus (I think he gets another $6 mil) than it does in the $ they make from the milestone.

Been thinking about going with dad and my son to a weekend game to see Rutherford before he gets promoted.

In comment 13049814 Greg from LI said:

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Been thinking about going with dad and my son to a weekend game to see Rutherford before he gets promoted.

Absolutely. It's a pretty part of Virginia anyway, if you can detour to the smokehouse in Galax it's worth the trip. They've done a lot with that ballpark too.

In comment 13049765 Dunedin81 said:

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is putting all the eggs in a single basket. Trading a top closer for a top pitching prospect to me really isn't. Yes he's fragile, but if his arm falls off you're out a closer. You can sign one in the offseason. Downgrade, sure, but still a solid closer, especially if Melancon gets moved (no QO). If Sale's arm falls off, you're out a farm system.

The team has worked too hard on upgrading their pipeline. I don't see them giving up that many top prospect for Sales as there are too many holes right now and too few long term solutions.

In comment 13049768 Don Draper said:

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I know it makes sense, long-term, if they get a great offer, but it had better be AMAZING, because they're tough to watch even with him (being last in OPS in the AL). Beltran really wouldn't be a bad guy to have around if they're breaking in a bunch of young guys, so, worst-case, they extend QO and he takes it, they'd pay ARod to play golf... MLB Team Stats - 2016 - ( New Window )

They're unwatchable NOW. Trading him would not make any difference.

a bunch of hungry kids develop, than a team of aging DHs that occasionally give the fans a little tease that they may be going somewhere.

and he's the biggest bat in the lineup, which means he's good for asses in the seats. And frankly they're not really in line for a Top 10 pick, so the difference between being almost competitive and being mediocre but not bad is probably worth a few million bucks to them with little real downside. They want a real return and if they don't get it they're perfectly justified in hanging onto him.

They'd be more watchable in my view.

The 86th ranked prospect in the majors!!!



I'm sorry, you all thought I was crazy but I totally called it that Nunez would put up an AllStar season. I'm sorry but I just need to say it, yes it's NYK and shh please. I'm grown now. Peace

In comment 13050057 DennyInDenville said:

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The 86th ranked prospect in the majors!!! I'm sorry, you all thought I was crazy but I totally called it that Nunez would put up an AllStar season. I'm sorry but I just need to say it, yes it's NYK and shh please. I'm grown now. Peace

So the dumbass admits he's a dupe. Still as intelligent as ever.

What the heck

But it's true that NYK was right about nooney making an AllStar game and now traded for a nice prospect to a contending team

Nothing seems to be buzzing though.

yourself you make up an immediate lie that your phone was hacked. A really mature move. C'mon, guy, grow up.

Davis and Miller both have huge pricetags, but would you rather go the extra mile for a year (Davis) or two (Miller) of team control?

In comment 13050070 DennyInDenville said:

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But it's true that NYK was right about nooney making an AllStar game and now traded for a nice prospect to a contending team

Lol go play in traffic

Make someone take Mellonhead McCann from this team. Please!!!

In comment 13050529 BlueHurricane said:

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Make someone take Mellonhead McCann from this team. Please!!!

Exactly!

Version of Tex .I think the Yankees realize this and are trying to get anything they can for him.

He is not Tex at all. Tex has been brittle for years. McCann is a clutch hitter who even will actually go the other way occasionally to beat the shift. I'm not dead set against dealing him but "needing him off this team" is a little ridiculous.

Or a fraction the cost of Miller. We may end up keeping him.

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the Cubs. But all of those Giolito rumors were total bs. Rizzo never wants to trade his top prospects. And I don't think anyone is going to meet the asking price for Miller.

Just gotta hope they get something for Beltran and Nova at least.

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He is not Tex at all. Tex has been brittle for years. McCann is a clutch hitter who even will actually go the other way occasionally to beat the shift. I'm not dead set against dealing him but "needing him off this team" is a little ridiculous.

I know a lot will disagree with me. However, I rather have Romine in there over MCCann. I have more faith when we need a sacrifice fly Romne will get it done. For what they are paying MCCann he is not worth it. McCann these days seems to be a high risk reward hitter. He will either hit the homerun or pop up to the infield when all you need is a sacrifice fly as the Yankees needed last Saturday. Bases loaded and swings at the first pitch and meekly flys out.Cervelli has better numbers than him.

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the Cubs. But all of those Giolito rumors were total bs. Rizzo never wants to trade his top prospects. And I don't think anyone is going to meet the asking price for Miller. Just gotta hope they get something for Beltran and Nova at least.

Idk, the Nats have two dynamite starters and a lineup that could catch fire. I would take the Cubs but it wouldn't be that big an upset.

but I would bet money that Melancon blows a game in the playoffs. If you have world series aspirations, go all in. That's my belief, anyway.

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Your little vendetta against McCann is utterly ridiculous and makes you sound like a Randal-grade moron.

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Well that's interesting

You'd get a better grip on his value if you compared him to other MLB catchers. Simply put he's one of the best. He's helped hold this shaky Yankee pitching staff together since he signed here 3 years ago. And he hits. Even if he hits like shit for his standards he's got more pop than most catchers. Don't compare McCann to a 2000 version of mike piazza.

In comment 13050616 Dunedin81 said:

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Don't think this means much considering he has a full no trade clause. Only way it means something is if a deal is already worked out and he's agreeable to it. I wonder if he does want to go back to Atlanta. But I can't see them offering that much.

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Well, they are going against a lefty. We all know how binders likes to play the matchups

In comment 13050672 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13050616 Dunedin81 said: Quote: ... Well, they are going against a lefty. We all know how binders likes to play the matchups

Certainly a possibility. Hal needs to okay eating $. If he wants to get under $189 he could be creative with how he eats it. Eat everything this year, eat nothing next year and a lot of 2018, they could figure it out.

In comment 13050652 djm said:

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You'd get a better grip on his value if you compared him to other MLB catchers. Simply put he's one of the best. He's helped hold this shaky Yankee pitching staff together since he signed here 3 years ago. And he hits. Even if he hits like shit for his standards he's got more pop than most catchers. Don't compare McCann to a 2000 version of mike piazza.

He is the 2 nod highest paid catcher in MLB . You don't think he has been a disappointment .

In comment 13050617 Greg from LI said:
[quote] Your little vendetta against McCann is utterly ridiculous and makes you sound like a Randal-grade moron. [/quote
Just because you disagree with me you don,t need to call me a moron

In comment 13050758 mitch300 said:

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In comment 13050652 djm said: Quote: You'd get a better grip on his value if you compared him to other MLB catchers. Simply put he's one of the best. He's helped hold this shaky Yankee pitching staff together since he signed here 3 years ago. And he hits. Even if he hits like shit for his standards he's got more pop than most catchers. Don't compare McCann to a 2000 version of mike piazza. He is the 2 nod highest paid catcher in MLB . You don't think he has been a disappointment .

Why the hell do fans base their opinions on production on what a player makes? It makes no sense. That's for the team to care about, not the fans. The only thing we should be comparing is McCanns productivity against the other catchers in the league. And he's upper echelon. Who gives a rats ass what he makes? If there was a salary cap, MAYBE I could see why fans would care, but there is not in baseball.

Your right. However, Hal is very much care about the dollar. He's not like his dad. That 189 was a goal for him to do. He never did though.

I fucking hate today's sports narrative with player salaries. Salary talk has completely corrupted pro sports talk. It's ruined the game for many even if they don't know it. I get that the salary cap has made it so player salaries are relevant if not crucial but when you talk sports with a fan and everything centers on how much tucking money is being paid? That's sad.

Pro sports should be an escape. If I want to worry about money I'll ask my wife how the bank account looks these days.

I wish they'd apply some kind of hippa law to pro salaries. We'd all be better off.

And no I'm not disappointed in McCann. Could he do better of course but he's a damn good catcher.

McCann, Ellsbury and the other high-priced players on the roster increase our overall payroll and likely make Hal more conservative in other areas.

And with our incredible 4 hits tonight, I'm SO ready to dump as many of the older guys as we can, particularly guys at positions where there are players waiting in the wings, as Sanchez is with McCann.

We're going places, for sure.

with Melancon already moved, this means that Miller is the only elite arm still on the market. I still doubt he moves, but this ups the chances we get what we want for him.

In comment 13050806 Dunedin81 said:

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with Melancon already moved, this means that Miller is the only elite arm still on the market. I still doubt he moves, but this ups the chances we get what we want for him.

Oh man, what timing for KC. Couldn't be any worse, lol. For us, it's great! Hate to see any player go through this though.

That's nonsense. You honestly think Brian McCanns production versus pay is influencing the Yankees from spending more money? Seriously?

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That's nonsense. You honestly think Brian McCanns production versus pay is influencing the Yankees from spending more money? Seriously?

It's not one guy, it's the entire payroll. Did we go for Moncada? Nope. Did we go all in on INT FAs at that time? Nope (although we finally did two years ago). Did we try to get below $189M? So yeah, seriously...of course he AND the other big ticket players influence what we spend in other areas.

who was subsequently removed from any role in baseball decisions (and eventually divorced). Like it or not they adhered to the relative gentleman's agreement to keep spending within the range of the reasonable - IMO, it was done to forestall harsher restrictions that came anyway. But the last few years have lacked a strategic vision of any sort. Gotta let the baseball people do their thing and accept that the end result in the long run will be more money in their pockets.

are out of the picture.

For both the Rangers might be willing cough up Profar and a couple of prospects.

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