Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.
Lots of DEs really need to strengthen & put on some weight as rookies so if Odi did that while also studying & watching film, the last year would not have been a total loss
he's still got a shot to see the field 30+% of the snaps, maybe more.
In today's NFL, you are better off doing some rotation. It keeps the starters "fresh" for the last 8 or so minutes of a game when pressure is the difference maker.
I figured OWA as our interior DT pass rusher over DT Jay Bromley, DT G. Newhouse or DT Nix. He has a quick first step and with another camp, a healthy camp, he should be ready to do some damage. If you have four quality guys rushing the QB on 3rd/4th and passing downs you have a good shot at turnovers and missed passes leading to punts.
We also need to be sure by season's end that he is a potential "starter" in this league because if JPP has the monster season I think he'll have it may be hard to keep him as he is a UFA.
higher. I certainly hope he can make an impact this year. If he is any good he'll get plenty of chances to play. I think some have forgotten how Spags plays D.
Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.
Honestly, is there any reason there should be buzz about him? Zero from last year, and as a collegian he underperformed relative to his combine #s.
I trust Kwall a lot and he knows tins more about CFB than I, but looking at as much as I could find of them I found OO's college tape uninspiring.
Hoping for the best obviously, but not holding my breath exactly.
that Reese likes to throw the dice on.....he had an injury history when drafted.....and he was injured in his rookie season last year.....
So can he stay on the field? and if he does, how will he play? We have no depth on this line, so he will be given every opportunity.....what he does, remains to be seen...this basically is his first season....but all the potential in the world, means nothing, if you can't stay on the field.....will OO make it, or be another Kennard? Time, not Carl Banks, will tell....
wave the help back to the sidelines. is this really not understood? strahan and osi were the same way and made it tough on tuck + kiwi to get DE snaps. some guys are warriors who dont like to come off and are conditioned to play the whole game. under those circumstances DC's are happy to let them stay on the field if they want to - they are the best you've got so why not play them if they dont need to come off?
its what makes JPP missing only 1 or 2 series after his bone popped thru his skin last year. (we will endlessly hear the ronnie lott story when what JPP did last year was even more incredible).
look at the possible snaps vernon played last year
that's heart. that's not wanting to come off the field even though the DC would understandably rotate to keep u fresh/happy. and its also a big skillset making them effective in all situations.
unfortunately for odi, we have 2 of those types of DEs so his snaps there will be limited, barring injury.
The same as Justin Tuck ten years earlier, who also dropped to the 3rd round due to injury concerns. He is exactly the type of player worth rolling the dice for at that point in the draft, because as Sy'56 put it in his pre-draft assessment:
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Has the talent and style of play to far exceed the production he put up in college. Odighizuwa has a blend of power, speed, and flexibility that is rare to come across. When he puts all of his tools together with his hyper motor, he can be a nightmare for a lone blocker to deal with...
From the first game I scouted of Owam, I’ve felt this guy has the goods to be an elite pass rusher in the NFL. He has the get off, he has the easy flexibility, he has the hand power, he has the pass rush moves and most importantly the motor never turns off...
Now, Sy did not gloss over his injury history at all, but even with that factored in he still gave Odi a solid 2nd round grade. It's unfortunate that his rookie year was lost to injury, but it should be noted that the hamstring and foot injuries he suffered were not related to the hip injuries he suffered in college. By all accounts he's fully healthy now, so let's hope he stays that way. He certainly can make an impact as long as he can stay on the field and off of IR.
Oh, and Doomster, the Kennard comparison is pretty silly. For a 5th round pick, Kennard had a pretty good rookie season. It was his second year that was mostly lost to injury (which is also very Tuck-like).
Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.
To be fair, he's overshadowed by 3 huge (no pun intended) FA signings along the DL. And hardly played last season.
is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field
barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
That's just dumb. Even Watt only plays ~90% of the D snaps. So if Odi is the primary backup at both DE positions, he could get 20-25% of the snaps right there.
And that's before considering that Spags likes moving DEs inside on passing downs and that Hankins/Snacks are likely playing 70% of the D snaps at best. Vernon and JPP both have experience and have seen success rushing from DT, so no reason to assume it'll only be Odi on the inside.
Odighizuwa was the 74th pick of the draft.
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Oh, and Doomster, the Kennard comparison is pretty silly. For a 5th round pick, Kennard had a pretty good rookie season. It was his second year that was mostly lost to injury (which is also very Tuck-like).
Why is it silly? Isn't Kennard considered a rising star just like OO? Both guys were drafted by Reese, with injury baggage.....and both have to prove that they can stay on the field....
It's Area Junk. According to him, JPP and Vernon will be on the field 90% of the time, will wave off substitutes, even if they have bloody stumps, and will be absolute warriors.
He completely ignores the fact that Spags has used a DL rotation to keep guys fresh so that they can have an effective D in the 4th Quarter, something he hasn't been able to do with the injury situation in 2014, and one of his warriors playing with fireworks, leaving him short-handed for most of 2015.
Well, lately Kennard has been running with the ones. That's a fact. Your implication that he's already done is silly.
I realize that you look for anything negative to hang your hat on, but you should look elsewhere.
Where did I say Kennard was done? That was you doing your interpretation of what I said....so then you disagree with me, that these guys don't have to stay on the field?
What I actually said was:
"Why is it silly? Isn't Kennard considered a rising star just like OO? Both guys were drafted by Reese, with injury baggage.....and both have to prove that they can stay on the field...."
RE: RE: Odi is being slept on big time this year. Â
Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.
Honestly, is there any reason there should be buzz about him? Zero from last year, and as a collegian he underperformed relative to his combine #s.
I trust Kwall a lot and he knows tins more about CFB than I, but looking at as much as I could find of them I found OO's college tape uninspiring.
Hoping for the best obviously, but not holding my breath exactly.
That was kind of the point.. there's no buzz because of how his rookie year went. He was injured for most of it and barely saw the field. There's still a lot of upside there and if he's healthy, I think he can help us this year.
but hope he's right of course..What I remember reading the most was how this guy could prove to be a huge steal. Given that he rarely saw the field for reasons stated, what really has changed? He just needs to see the field.
What other interpretation is there, other than if OO doesn't make it he'll end up like Kennard, the implication being that Kennard hasn't made it and never will?
What you wrote after that is immaterial. You already pronounced Kennard a failure and were wondering if OO was following in his footsteps.
Sometimes I think you like to argeue, for the sake of arguing... Â
Once again, this is what you wrote:
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will OO make it, or be another Kennard
What other interpretation is there, other than if OO doesn't make it he'll end up like Kennard, the implication being that Kennard hasn't made it and never will?
What you wrote after that is immaterial. You already pronounced Kennard a failure and were wondering if OO was following in his footsteps.
You can interpret that as failure, if you want...I still stand by the fact that until, Kennard can stay on the field, he represents a drafted player, that Reese has a penchant for...guys with potential, but with baggage....drafting players like this, can put you in a hole for the future, as it has....what I think is silly is trying to bring the Tuck scenario into play here...that comparison has nothing to do with this.....
Like Tuck, Webster, Bradshaw, Terrell Thomas, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, can also lead to championships if they pan out.
Regardless, it doesn't take any great insight to opine that a player (or players) has to stay healthy if he wants to make a positive impact. That's a given and is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your lumping of OO in with Kennard (3rd and 5th round picks, respectively, as if mid-to-late rounders don't come with risks), and your implication that Kennard was already done. Backtrack all you want, but you said what you said. You should stick by that.
a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
Tuck and Strahan and even Banks did not do a lot their first year. Lots of good and fair points, but it often takes even great players a year to "blossom"
a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
Not sure why, seriously ? Where we're you during the draft man?
A picture of him smoking pot , with a gas mask, surfaced on Twitter moments before the draft started. His draft position immediately plummeted. He dropped all the way down to 13.
a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
Interesting. One thing you don't want to do is take a guy who is a BUST at #10. That would suck, truly suck.
By all accounts, CB Eli Apple is holding his own in camp. Many were saying just before the draft that he has the most upside of any corner in the draft not name Jalen!
Tunsil is expected to win the starting LG job in Miami. Â
Spags is definitely going to rotate his DL.
Most NFL games are decided in the last what 5 minutes of the 4th quarter? Or something like that.
You need to have "fresh" legs to attack.
Starters: Vernon Hankins Harrison JPP
Pass Rush: Vernon Bromley OWA JPP ?
OWA will spell Vernon and JPP each game, even if it is for a series each half. OWA may see 20 - 25 snaps a game but at least it is action right?
What we really need is for OWA and Bromley to be "above average" pass rushers who can also stop the run if they are attacked on the ground. If these two youngsters show they can be NFL starters this year we'll be in great shape for next year....and especially for a deep playoff run.
I figured OWA as our interior DT pass rusher over DT Jay Bromley, DT G. Newhouse or DT Nix. He has a quick first step and with another camp, a healthy camp, he should be ready to do some damage.
We have a DT named Newhouse on the roster? I haven't seen him mentioned before.
being naive be, thinking Tunsil is just going to walk in and start Day 1, not have any issues on or off the field and will become a perennial All-Pro?
I'll take naivety for $1000
Then you're as smart as those believing he was demoted in OTA's prior to any contact or full speed drills and have ignored how well he's been performing In camp. You just lost $1000
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barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
Huh? Are JPP and Vernon the co-defensive coordinators? They control who plays? Gotcha.
I figured OWA as our interior DT pass rusher over DT Jay Bromley, DT G. Newhouse or DT Nix. He has a quick first step and with another camp, a healthy camp, he should be ready to do some damage. If you have four quality guys rushing the QB on 3rd/4th and passing downs you have a good shot at turnovers and missed passes leading to punts.
We also need to be sure by season's end that he is a potential "starter" in this league because if JPP has the monster season I think he'll have it may be hard to keep him as he is a UFA.
barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
Thanks dood. Pre she ate it. Whuddya hearing about Davis' signing being immigrant?
barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
His biggest problem is a history of injuries. Let's hope that's history!
Honestly, is there any reason there should be buzz about him? Zero from last year, and as a collegian he underperformed relative to his combine #s.
I trust Kwall a lot and he knows tins more about CFB than I, but looking at as much as I could find of them I found OO's college tape uninspiring.
Hoping for the best obviously, but not holding my breath exactly.
So can he stay on the field? and if he does, how will he play? We have no depth on this line, so he will be given every opportunity.....what he does, remains to be seen...this basically is his first season....but all the potential in the world, means nothing, if you can't stay on the field.....will OO make it, or be another Kennard? Time, not Carl Banks, will tell....
its what makes JPP missing only 1 or 2 series after his bone popped thru his skin last year. (we will endlessly hear the ronnie lott story when what JPP did last year was even more incredible).
look at the possible snaps vernon played last year
that's heart. that's not wanting to come off the field even though the DC would understandably rotate to keep u fresh/happy. and its also a big skillset making them effective in all situations.
unfortunately for odi, we have 2 of those types of DEs so his snaps there will be limited, barring injury.
From the first game I scouted of Owam, I’ve felt this guy has the goods to be an elite pass rusher in the NFL. He has the get off, he has the easy flexibility, he has the hand power, he has the pass rush moves and most importantly the motor never turns off...
Now, Sy did not gloss over his injury history at all, but even with that factored in he still gave Odi a solid 2nd round grade. It's unfortunate that his rookie year was lost to injury, but it should be noted that the hamstring and foot injuries he suffered were not related to the hip injuries he suffered in college. By all accounts he's fully healthy now, so let's hope he stays that way. He certainly can make an impact as long as he can stay on the field and off of IR.
Oh, and Doomster, the Kennard comparison is pretty silly. For a 5th round pick, Kennard had a pretty good rookie season. It was his second year that was mostly lost to injury (which is also very Tuck-like).
To be fair, he's overshadowed by 3 huge (no pun intended) FA signings along the DL. And hardly played last season.
barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
That's just dumb. Even Watt only plays ~90% of the D snaps. So if Odi is the primary backup at both DE positions, he could get 20-25% of the snaps right there.
And that's before considering that Spags likes moving DEs inside on passing downs and that Hankins/Snacks are likely playing 70% of the D snaps at best. Vernon and JPP both have experience and have seen success rushing from DT, so no reason to assume it'll only be Odi on the inside.
Klaatu : 8:32 am : link : reply
Oh, and Doomster, the Kennard comparison is pretty silly. For a 5th round pick, Kennard had a pretty good rookie season. It was his second year that was mostly lost to injury (which is also very Tuck-like).
Why is it silly? Isn't Kennard considered a rising star just like OO? Both guys were drafted by Reese, with injury baggage.....and both have to prove that they can stay on the field....
Implies that Kennard is already done, and that's a bit premature...as well as silly.
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is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field
barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
Huh? Are JPP and Vernon the co-defensive coordinators? They control who plays? Gotcha.
You really missed his point? Seriously?
He completely ignores the fact that Spags has used a DL rotation to keep guys fresh so that they can have an effective D in the 4th Quarter, something he hasn't been able to do with the injury situation in 2014, and one of his warriors playing with fireworks, leaving him short-handed for most of 2015.
Just Junk being Junk......
Well, lately Kennard has been running with the ones. That's a fact. Your implication that he's already done is silly.
I realize that you look for anything negative to hang your hat on, but you should look elsewhere.
Klaatu : 9:01 am : link : reply
Well, lately Kennard has been running with the ones. That's a fact. Your implication that he's already done is silly.
I realize that you look for anything negative to hang your hat on, but you should look elsewhere.
Where did I say Kennard was done? That was you doing your interpretation of what I said....so then you disagree with me, that these guys don't have to stay on the field?
What I actually said was:
"Why is it silly? Isn't Kennard considered a rising star just like OO? Both guys were drafted by Reese, with injury baggage.....and both have to prove that they can stay on the field...."
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Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.
Honestly, is there any reason there should be buzz about him? Zero from last year, and as a collegian he underperformed relative to his combine #s.
I trust Kwall a lot and he knows tins more about CFB than I, but looking at as much as I could find of them I found OO's college tape uninspiring.
Hoping for the best obviously, but not holding my breath exactly.
That was kind of the point.. there's no buzz because of how his rookie year went. He was injured for most of it and barely saw the field. There's still a lot of upside there and if he's healthy, I think he can help us this year.
What other interpretation is there, other than if OO doesn't make it he'll end up like Kennard, the implication being that Kennard hasn't made it and never will?
What you wrote after that is immaterial. You already pronounced Kennard a failure and were wondering if OO was following in his footsteps.
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will OO make it, or be another Kennard
What other interpretation is there, other than if OO doesn't make it he'll end up like Kennard, the implication being that Kennard hasn't made it and never will?
What you wrote after that is immaterial. You already pronounced Kennard a failure and were wondering if OO was following in his footsteps.
You can interpret that as failure, if you want...I still stand by the fact that until, Kennard can stay on the field, he represents a drafted player, that Reese has a penchant for...guys with potential, but with baggage....drafting players like this, can put you in a hole for the future, as it has....what I think is silly is trying to bring the Tuck scenario into play here...that comparison has nothing to do with this.....
Regardless, it doesn't take any great insight to opine that a player (or players) has to stay healthy if he wants to make a positive impact. That's a given and is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your lumping of OO in with Kennard (3rd and 5th round picks, respectively, as if mid-to-late rounders don't come with risks), and your implication that Kennard was already done. Backtrack all you want, but you said what you said. You should stick by that.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
Not sure why, seriously ? Where we're you during the draft man?
A picture of him smoking pot , with a gas mask, surfaced on Twitter moments before the draft started. His draft position immediately plummeted. He dropped all the way down to 13.
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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.
I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.
If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
By all accounts, CB Eli Apple is holding his own in camp. Many were saying just before the draft that he has the most upside of any corner in the draft not name Jalen!
Most NFL games are decided in the last what 5 minutes of the 4th quarter? Or something like that.
You need to have "fresh" legs to attack.
Starters: Vernon Hankins Harrison JPP
Pass Rush: Vernon Bromley OWA JPP ?
OWA will spell Vernon and JPP each game, even if it is for a series each half. OWA may see 20 - 25 snaps a game but at least it is action right?
What we really need is for OWA and Bromley to be "above average" pass rushers who can also stop the run if they are attacked on the ground. If these two youngsters show they can be NFL starters this year we'll be in great shape for next year....and especially for a deep playoff run.
I figured OWA as our interior DT pass rusher over DT Jay Bromley, DT G. Newhouse or DT Nix. He has a quick first step and with another camp, a healthy camp, he should be ready to do some damage.
We have a DT named Newhouse on the roster? I haven't seen him mentioned before.
Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
You're so naive lol
I'll take naivety for $1000
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Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
You're so naive lol
Yea, gidie is naive. Keep up the good work 2012.
I'll take naivety for $1000
Then you're as smart as those believing he was demoted in OTA's prior to any contact or full speed drills and have ignored how well he's been performing In camp. You just lost $1000