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Carl Banks Tweet about Odighizuwa

gidiefor : Mod : 8/2/2016 9:35 pm
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Carl Banks & #8207;@CarlBanksGIII

Among the things I noticed at @Giants camp today was #odighizuwa.. looked stronger, moved with confidence. Many believe he could make impact
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gidiefor : Mod : 8/2/2016 9:36 pm : link
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Man  
Danny Kanell : 8/2/2016 9:42 pm : link
He'd be a hell of a bonus if he becomes a contributor. Banks isn't usually easy with compliments too.
Odi is being slept on big time this year.  
arcarsenal : 8/2/2016 9:54 pm : link
Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.
Odi  
Samiam : 8/2/2016 10:06 pm : link
Lots of DEs really need to strengthen & put on some weight as rookies so if Odi did that while also studying & watching film, the last year would not have been a total loss
Very few individuals in the NFL  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/2/2016 10:10 pm : link
Are as absolutely ripped as Odi. Let's see how he plays as practices get more and more real. He has talent but he's a bigtime wildcard.
Odi's biggest problem  
area junc : 8/2/2016 10:12 pm : link
is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field

barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp
Even if Vernon and JPP prove especially durable...  
Dunedin81 : 8/2/2016 10:47 pm : link
he's still got a shot to see the field 30+% of the snaps, maybe more.
RE: Odi's biggest problem  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2016 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13054890 area junc said:
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is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field

barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp


Huh? Are JPP and Vernon the co-defensive coordinators? They control who plays? Gotcha.
Spags likes to rotate  
Pete in MD : 8/2/2016 11:29 pm : link
his DL. OO will get some chances.
RE: Even if Vernon and JPP prove especially durable...  
SGMen : 8/2/2016 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13054916 Dunedin81 said:
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he's still got a shot to see the field 30+% of the snaps, maybe more.
In today's NFL, you are better off doing some rotation. It keeps the starters "fresh" for the last 8 or so minutes of a game when pressure is the difference maker.

I figured OWA as our interior DT pass rusher over DT Jay Bromley, DT G. Newhouse or DT Nix. He has a quick first step and with another camp, a healthy camp, he should be ready to do some damage. If you have four quality guys rushing the QB on 3rd/4th and passing downs you have a good shot at turnovers and missed passes leading to punts.

We also need to be sure by season's end that he is a potential "starter" in this league because if JPP has the monster season I think he'll have it may be hard to keep him as he is a UFA.
RE: Odi's biggest problem  
chopperhatch : 8/2/2016 11:50 pm : link
In comment 13054890 area junc said:
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is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field

barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp


Thanks dood. Pre she ate it. Whuddya hearing about Davis' signing being immigrant?
RE: Odi's biggest problem  
M.S. : 8/3/2016 5:59 am : link
In comment 13054890 area junc said:
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is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field

barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp

His biggest problem is a history of injuries. Let's hope that's history!
The Guy was high 3rd round pick, who many said should have went  
ZogZerg : 8/3/2016 6:54 am : link
higher. I certainly hope he can make an impact this year. If he is any good he'll get plenty of chances to play. I think some have forgotten how Spags plays D.
RE: Odi is being slept on big time this year.  
BlueLou : 8/3/2016 7:09 am : link
In comment 13054872 arcarsenal said:
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Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.


Honestly, is there any reason there should be buzz about him? Zero from last year, and as a collegian he underperformed relative to his combine #s.

I trust Kwall a lot and he knows tins more about CFB than I, but looking at as much as I could find of them I found OO's college tape uninspiring.

Hoping for the best obviously, but not holding my breath exactly.
Owa and Wynn are our back up DE's  
est1986 : 8/3/2016 7:35 am : link
We can do a lot worse. Owa is Sy'56's guy, he was very high on him coming out hopefully he shows up big this season.
This is one of those kind of guys,  
Doomster : 8/3/2016 7:58 am : link
that Reese likes to throw the dice on.....he had an injury history when drafted.....and he was injured in his rookie season last year.....

So can he stay on the field? and if he does, how will he play? We have no depth on this line, so he will be given every opportunity.....what he does, remains to be seen...this basically is his first season....but all the potential in the world, means nothing, if you can't stay on the field.....will OO make it, or be another Kennard? Time, not Carl Banks, will tell....
yes some guys  
area junc : 8/3/2016 8:23 am : link
wave the help back to the sidelines. is this really not understood? strahan and osi were the same way and made it tough on tuck + kiwi to get DE snaps. some guys are warriors who dont like to come off and are conditioned to play the whole game. under those circumstances DC's are happy to let them stay on the field if they want to - they are the best you've got so why not play them if they dont need to come off?

its what makes JPP missing only 1 or 2 series after his bone popped thru his skin last year. (we will endlessly hear the ronnie lott story when what JPP did last year was even more incredible).

look at the possible snaps vernon played last year

that's heart. that's not wanting to come off the field even though the DC would understandably rotate to keep u fresh/happy. and its also a big skillset making them effective in all situations.

unfortunately for odi, we have 2 of those types of DEs so his snaps there will be limited, barring injury.
Odighizuwa was the 74th pick of the draft.  
Klaatu : 8/3/2016 8:32 am : link
The same as Justin Tuck ten years earlier, who also dropped to the 3rd round due to injury concerns. He is exactly the type of player worth rolling the dice for at that point in the draft, because as Sy'56 put it in his pre-draft assessment:

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Has the talent and style of play to far exceed the production he put up in college. Odighizuwa has a blend of power, speed, and flexibility that is rare to come across. When he puts all of his tools together with his hyper motor, he can be a nightmare for a lone blocker to deal with...

From the first game I scouted of Owam, I’ve felt this guy has the goods to be an elite pass rusher in the NFL. He has the get off, he has the easy flexibility, he has the hand power, he has the pass rush moves and most importantly the motor never turns off...


Now, Sy did not gloss over his injury history at all, but even with that factored in he still gave Odi a solid 2nd round grade. It's unfortunate that his rookie year was lost to injury, but it should be noted that the hamstring and foot injuries he suffered were not related to the hip injuries he suffered in college. By all accounts he's fully healthy now, so let's hope he stays that way. He certainly can make an impact as long as he can stay on the field and off of IR.

Oh, and Doomster, the Kennard comparison is pretty silly. For a 5th round pick, Kennard had a pretty good rookie season. It was his second year that was mostly lost to injury (which is also very Tuck-like).
RE: Odi is being slept on big time this year.  
giants#1 : 8/3/2016 8:40 am : link
In comment 13054872 arcarsenal said:
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Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.


To be fair, he's overshadowed by 3 huge (no pun intended) FA signings along the DL. And hardly played last season.
RE: Odi's biggest problem  
giants#1 : 8/3/2016 8:43 am : link
In comment 13054890 area junc said:
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is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field

barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp


That's just dumb. Even Watt only plays ~90% of the D snaps. So if Odi is the primary backup at both DE positions, he could get 20-25% of the snaps right there.

And that's before considering that Spags likes moving DEs inside on passing downs and that Hankins/Snacks are likely playing 70% of the D snaps at best. Vernon and JPP both have experience and have seen success rushing from DT, so no reason to assume it'll only be Odi on the inside.
Klaatu,  
Doomster : 8/3/2016 8:45 am : link
Odighizuwa was the 74th pick of the draft.
Klaatu : 8:32 am : link : reply


Oh, and Doomster, the Kennard comparison is pretty silly. For a 5th round pick, Kennard had a pretty good rookie season. It was his second year that was mostly lost to injury (which is also very Tuck-like).


Why is it silly? Isn't Kennard considered a rising star just like OO? Both guys were drafted by Reese, with injury baggage.....and both have to prove that they can stay on the field....
It's silly because...  
Klaatu : 8/3/2016 8:49 am : link
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will OO make it, or be another Kennard


Implies that Kennard is already done, and that's a bit premature...as well as silly.
RE: RE: Odi's biggest problem  
Giants2012 : 8/3/2016 8:54 am : link
In comment 13054931 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13054890 area junc said:


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is that neither Vernon or JPP like to come off the field

barring injury he will really have to focus on that DT spot in subpackages. he was also being used as a roaming Joker during OTAs/minicamp



Huh? Are JPP and Vernon the co-defensive coordinators? They control who plays? Gotcha.


You really missed his point? Seriously?
Klaatu,  
Doomster : 8/3/2016 8:58 am : link
in sports, it's always been, what have you done for me lately....not silly, just fact...
would be nice. Banks isn't overly generous with praise  
Victor in CT : 8/3/2016 8:59 am : link
so that is a very encouraging comment.
What do you expect??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/3/2016 9:00 am : link
It's Area Junk. According to him, JPP and Vernon will be on the field 90% of the time, will wave off substitutes, even if they have bloody stumps, and will be absolute warriors.

He completely ignores the fact that Spags has used a DL rotation to keep guys fresh so that they can have an effective D in the 4th Quarter, something he hasn't been able to do with the injury situation in 2014, and one of his warriors playing with fireworks, leaving him short-handed for most of 2015.

Just Junk being Junk......
RE: Klaatu,  
Klaatu : 8/3/2016 9:01 am : link
In comment 13055125 Doomster said:
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in sports, it's always been, what have you done for me lately....not silly, just fact...


Well, lately Kennard has been running with the ones. That's a fact. Your implication that he's already done is silly.

I realize that you look for anything negative to hang your hat on, but you should look elsewhere.
This thread has been... JUNK'D UP!  
YAJ2112 : 8/3/2016 9:04 am : link
Take the time to read what I wrote.....  
Doomster : 8/3/2016 9:26 am : link
RE: Klaatu,
Klaatu : 9:01 am : link : reply

Well, lately Kennard has been running with the ones. That's a fact. Your implication that he's already done is silly.

I realize that you look for anything negative to hang your hat on, but you should look elsewhere.



Where did I say Kennard was done? That was you doing your interpretation of what I said....so then you disagree with me, that these guys don't have to stay on the field?

What I actually said was:

"Why is it silly? Isn't Kennard considered a rising star just like OO? Both guys were drafted by Reese, with injury baggage.....and both have to prove that they can stay on the field...."
RE: RE: Odi is being slept on big time this year.  
arcarsenal : 8/3/2016 9:38 am : link
In comment 13054997 BlueLou said:
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In comment 13054872 arcarsenal said:


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Barely any talk about him but he has a chance to really help this defense this year. Seems like almost a forgotten man because of the way his rookie year went. Really excited to see what he can do healthy.



Honestly, is there any reason there should be buzz about him? Zero from last year, and as a collegian he underperformed relative to his combine #s.

I trust Kwall a lot and he knows tins more about CFB than I, but looking at as much as I could find of them I found OO's college tape uninspiring.

Hoping for the best obviously, but not holding my breath exactly.


That was kind of the point.. there's no buzz because of how his rookie year went. He was injured for most of it and barely saw the field. There's still a lot of upside there and if he's healthy, I think he can help us this year.
Not an off the field Banks fan at all,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/3/2016 9:41 am : link
but hope he's right of course..What I remember reading the most was how this guy could prove to be a huge steal. Given that he rarely saw the field for reasons stated, what really has changed? He just needs to see the field.
Once again, this is what you wrote:  
Klaatu : 8/3/2016 9:42 am : link
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will OO make it, or be another Kennard


What other interpretation is there, other than if OO doesn't make it he'll end up like Kennard, the implication being that Kennard hasn't made it and never will?

What you wrote after that is immaterial. You already pronounced Kennard a failure and were wondering if OO was following in his footsteps.
Sometimes I think you like to argeue, for the sake of arguing...  
Doomster : 8/3/2016 10:01 am : link
Once again, this is what you wrote:
Klaatu : 9:42 am : link : reply
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will OO make it, or be another Kennard


What other interpretation is there, other than if OO doesn't make it he'll end up like Kennard, the implication being that Kennard hasn't made it and never will?

What you wrote after that is immaterial. You already pronounced Kennard a failure and were wondering if OO was following in his footsteps.


You can interpret that as failure, if you want...I still stand by the fact that until, Kennard can stay on the field, he represents a drafted player, that Reese has a penchant for...guys with potential, but with baggage....drafting players like this, can put you in a hole for the future, as it has....what I think is silly is trying to bring the Tuck scenario into play here...that comparison has nothing to do with this.....
Drafting players with baggage...  
Klaatu : 8/3/2016 10:20 am : link
Like Tuck, Webster, Bradshaw, Terrell Thomas, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, can also lead to championships if they pan out.

Regardless, it doesn't take any great insight to opine that a player (or players) has to stay healthy if he wants to make a positive impact. That's a given and is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your lumping of OO in with Kennard (3rd and 5th round picks, respectively, as if mid-to-late rounders don't come with risks), and your implication that Kennard was already done. Backtrack all you want, but you said what you said. You should stick by that.
the draft often comes down to  
giants#1 : 8/3/2016 10:26 am : link
a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
A lot of you forget  
Reale01 : 8/3/2016 11:28 am : link
Tuck and Strahan and even Banks did not do a lot their first year. Lots of good and fair points, but it often takes even great players a year to "blossom"
O2 will get his opportunities...  
Torrag : 8/3/2016 11:38 am : link
...all DL rotate these days. There will be snaps for him...if he earns them and produces.
RE: the draft often comes down to  
SGMen : 8/3/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13055289 giants#1 said:
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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.
I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.

I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.

If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.
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gidiefor : Mod : 8/3/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13055469 SGMen said:
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In comment 13055289 giants#1 said:


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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.

I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.

I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.

If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.


Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
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Canton : 8/3/2016 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13055469 SGMen said:
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In comment 13055289 giants#1 said:


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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.

I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.

I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.

If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.


Not sure why, seriously ? Where we're you during the draft man?

A picture of him smoking pot , with a gas mask, surfaced on Twitter moments before the draft started. His draft position immediately plummeted. He dropped all the way down to 13.


Laremy Tunsil's Twitter account posted a video of him smoking a bong minutes before the NFL Draft - ( New Window )
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SGMen : 8/3/2016 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13055470 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13055469 SGMen said:


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In comment 13055289 giants#1 said:


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a choice between a talented player with baggage (injuries and/or off-the-field) vs a lesser talent. You even saw that in the 1st round this year with Jack, Tunsil, and Smith all available when the Giants took Apple.

I was surprised we didn't take LT Tunsil at #10. I am not even sure why he fell out of the top 5. There were projections that had him going #1, #2 or #3 before the trades started and QB's moved up.

I hope we don't regret not taking Tunsil. Eli's window of opportunity is likely 3 years, possibly 4 years.

If Tunsil is a superbly effective starter this year and CB Apple plays 25% of the snaps all the year long I'll be upset. LT E. Flowers could have been moved to RT where he'd be better, I think. Alas, it was not to be so I'm just hoping CB Apple proves he was worth the pick.



Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling
Interesting. One thing you don't want to do is take a guy who is a BUST at #10. That would suck, truly suck.

By all accounts, CB Eli Apple is holding his own in camp. Many were saying just before the draft that he has the most upside of any corner in the draft not name Jalen!
Tunsil is expected to win the starting LG job in Miami.  
Klaatu : 8/3/2016 12:22 pm : link
Got into a fight at practice, yesterday, too.
Back to Odighizuwa and the DL rotation  
SGMen : 8/3/2016 12:24 pm : link
Spags is definitely going to rotate his DL.
Most NFL games are decided in the last what 5 minutes of the 4th quarter? Or something like that.
You need to have "fresh" legs to attack.

Starters: Vernon Hankins Harrison JPP
Pass Rush: Vernon Bromley OWA JPP ?

OWA will spell Vernon and JPP each game, even if it is for a series each half. OWA may see 20 - 25 snaps a game but at least it is action right?

What we really need is for OWA and Bromley to be "above average" pass rushers who can also stop the run if they are attacked on the ground. If these two youngsters show they can be NFL starters this year we'll be in great shape for next year....and especially for a deep playoff run.
Odi  
Earl the goat : 8/3/2016 1:43 pm : link
Will be in the NASCAR sub package and make quite the difference this year
RE: RE: Even if Vernon and JPP prove especially durable...  
santacruzom : 8/3/2016 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13054937 SGMen said:
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I figured OWA as our interior DT pass rusher over DT Jay Bromley, DT G. Newhouse or DT Nix. He has a quick first step and with another camp, a healthy camp, he should be ready to do some damage.


We have a DT named Newhouse on the roster? I haven't seen him mentioned before.

RE: RE: RE: the draft often comes down to  
Giants2012 : 8/3/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13055470 gidiefor said:
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Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling


You're so naive lol
What would not..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/3/2016 2:16 pm : link
being naive be, thinking Tunsil is just going to walk in and start Day 1, not have any issues on or off the field and will become a perennial All-Pro?

I'll take naivety for $1000
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chopperhatch : 8/3/2016 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13055736 Giants2012 said:
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Yeah Tunsil has already been demoted and is struggling



You're so naive lol


Yea, gidie is naive. Keep up the good work 2012.
RE: What would not..  
Giants2012 : 8/3/2016 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13055754 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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being naive be, thinking Tunsil is just going to walk in and start Day 1, not have any issues on or off the field and will become a perennial All-Pro?

I'll take naivety for $1000


Then you're as smart as those believing he was demoted in OTA's prior to any contact or full speed drills and have ignored how well he's been performing In camp. You just lost $1000
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