was against it because I thought it would hinder the development of our younger players. But one year for $2M is a great deal. We can still keep Deacon as the fifth CB and PR. My only concern is Leon's health. He's had two achilles ruptures IIRC, and back surgery. Welcome aboard.
Shades of Sam Madison. Wonder which of the young DBs will eventually be cut because of this (not the one cut today, but the guy that loses his spot on the final roster).
should be an improvement over Wade, but more importantly it lets DRC, Jenkins, and Apple stay exclusively on the outside. No longer will we be playing guys out of position (i.e. Collins at FS or what they seemed to be thinking DRC in the slot).
before opening night. We still have plenty of cap room. Most importantly is signing an OL, but I'd also love to grab a reliable safety.
Great signing and gives us tremendous depth at the position. Also gives Apple the opportunity to learn without the pressure of being gravely counted on.
31 yrs old, 2 concussions, back problems most of last year, and
a torn Achilles in 2013. He kind of goes against the grain of what they are trying to do (i.e. younger and healthier). I agree with most that he's coming in to let Apple ease into his role.
Not complaining. It's a good signing but CB will still be a need in the future. They will be down to Jenkins and Apple in a year or two IMHO.
assistant to the NFL director of operations must be shaking his head yet again when he hears this news. So went the days when the latest acquisition was named Mike Harris or Chiquie Brown. Unlike quite a few of the veteran Giants on the current roster, Hall has been on teams that win ball games. He's a zone-oriented corner, which makes him a nice complement to the other three who are basically man covers. The DC likes to camouflage his Three-Deep and make believe he is in 2 and vice versa so Leon's dexterity and overall brightness will be a welcome addition.
It was just the way the ball bounced salary cap wise. Reese spent all he could while TC was here. This year they just had a bunch more money and then a guy like Hall becomes available which is a little bit of luck.
Is a lifetime in the NFL, if you have 2 top corners on your team, that is great, tell me about all the teams with 3 top corners? Plus you don't know what DRC will want to do in the future, he may take on a slot corner role in a year or two here. You just never know from year to year.
he can stay healthy, and I didn't trust a Trevin Wade
for the record. I don't think they felt comfortable with
the Apple of your eye playing the slot. You don't sign a
Jenkins to a big contract to play the slot, not how it works
in the NFL.
a torn Achilles in 2013. He kind of goes against the grain of what they are trying to do (i.e. younger and healthier). I agree with most that he's coming in to let Apple ease into his role.
Not complaining. It's a good signing but CB will still be a need in the future. They will be down to Jenkins and Apple in a year or two IMHO.
I would think we would have drafted replacements in a few years
there were plenty of this type signings during Coughlin's tenure. lots of them. the problem is that they rarely worked out. to be fair, some did work out.
only time will tell whether this works out or is just part of the general trend.
this year is an exceedingly high expenditure, but the idea that TC never had any money to spend is baloney. he brought in big ticket players and moderate ticket players and low cost ticket players. some of each worked. a lot of each didn't. anyone who thinks TC (and the relevant position coaches) weren't involved in the acquisition process please see me about a slightly used bridge.
for most of TC's tenure here, weren't we mostly up against the cap? Sure he brought in guys, but perhaps not the guys he would have wanted here for just a few million more. It didn't work out, but we could have signed any of the OTs we interviewed if they wanted to be here or possibly play ORT. We never could have done that even at the 2nd tier level, when we were strangled by the cap. This year, for example, we made huge monetary signings and STILL had plenty left over to sign whoever we wanted to, imv..
Our huge FA signings under TC didn't leave all that much around for quality depth, imo
we were under the gun for some of his tenure. but usually, we had enough to make a big ticket FA almost every year. we had enough to bring in some medium ticket FA.
The last several years of his tenure, especially, we weren't rolling in dough, but we weren't starving street urchins, either. in the early years, he had a lot of swing and a miss on players of all tiers, which was part of why they were cap strapped during the middle years (they borrowed a lot of money in restructures during the early mid years which then compounded the problem).
You get what you pay for when it comes to guys who have been around as long as Hall. And I'm guessing that when they say "up to $2M" it means that a chunk of that $2M comes in the form of snap count. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even make the 53 man roster or if he starts the year at the bottom of the DB depth chart. When a vet CB languishes for as long as he did in free agency and then signs for a pittance, it's not because he was biding his time looking for the right situation.
owes a lot to not being able to draft worth a darn. resigning a draftee is the same as bringing in a FA, IMO. when you don't have to resign your drafted players, it opens up a lot of money.
for most of TC's tenure here, weren't we mostly up against the cap? Sure he brought in guys, but perhaps not the guys he would have wanted here for just a few million more. It didn't work out, but we could have signed any of the OTs we interviewed if they wanted to be here or possibly play ORT. We never could have done that even at the 2nd tier level, when we were strangled by the cap. This year, for example, we made huge monetary signings and STILL had plenty left over to sign whoever we wanted to, imv..
Our huge FA signings under TC didn't leave all that much around for quality depth, imo
Agree? Disagree? I miss Albany
During Coughlin's tenure they made Kareem McKenzie the highest paid RT in the league. At the same time they signed Plaxico Burress and Antonio Pierce.
They didn't exactly break the bank to re-sign Shaun O'Hara, but thanks to Andre Gurode they had to put a big dent in it. When O'Hara retired, they give David Baas a very nice contract. Luckily, they didn't have to do the same to keep David Diehl in the fold.
They made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in the league, and at the same time they shelled out big bucks for Chris Canty and Michael Boley.
That's just a few of the bigger names off the top of my head.
assistant to the NFL director of operations must be shaking his head yet again when he hears this news. So went the days when the latest acquisition was named Mike Harris or Chiquie Brown. Unlike quite a few of the veteran Giants on the current roster, Hall has been on teams that win ball games. He's a zone-oriented corner, which makes him a nice complement to the other three who are basically man covers. The DC likes to camouflage his Three-Deep and make believe he is in 2 and vice versa so Leon's dexterity and overall brightness will be a welcome addition.
for most of TC's tenure here, weren't we mostly up against the cap? Sure he brought in guys, but perhaps not the guys he would have wanted here for just a few million more. It didn't work out, but we could have signed any of the OTs we interviewed if they wanted to be here or possibly play ORT. We never could have done that even at the 2nd tier level, when we were strangled by the cap. This year, for example, we made huge monetary signings and STILL had plenty left over to sign whoever we wanted to, imv..
Our huge FA signings under TC didn't leave all that much around for quality depth, imo
Agree? Disagree? I miss Albany
During Coughlin's tenure they made Kareem McKenzie the highest paid RT in the league. At the same time they signed Plaxico Burress and Antonio Pierce.
They didn't exactly break the bank to re-sign Shaun O'Hara, but thanks to Andre Gurode they had to put a big dent in it. When O'Hara retired, they give David Baas a very nice contract. Luckily, they didn't have to do the same to keep David Diehl in the fold.
They made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in the league, and at the same time they shelled out big bucks for Chris Canty and Michael Boley.
That's just a few of the bigger names off the top of my head.
True. But my point was after most of those signings, we were then choking against the cap with no real chance to sign the quality depth WE CAN NOW if we so choose. Yes? No?
there were plenty of this type signings during Coughlin's tenure. lots of them. the problem is that they rarely worked out. to be fair, some did work out.
only time will tell whether this works out or is just part of the general trend.
this year is an exceedingly high expenditure, but the idea that TC never had any money to spend is baloney. he brought in big ticket players and moderate ticket players and low cost ticket players. some of each worked. a lot of each didn't. anyone who thinks TC (and the relevant position coaches) weren't involved in the acquisition process please see me about a slightly used bridge.
fkap. I meant recently. I know they made many big FA signings during TC tenure overall.
You would hope that the bulk of your quality depth would come from your later-round draftees, UDFAs, and the like. That's one area where the Giants have consistently missed the mark in recent years. Some of their lower profile UFA signings have worked out...kind of, like Sean Locklear, but quite a few haven't...some safeties come to mind...and a guy like Shaun Andrews who just couldn't stay healthy.
a lot of the players in the list were returning FA, some of them coming in.
As I recall, a lot of them were minimum wage, but a lot of them got middle class dollars, and one or two were 1%ers.
but, most importantly, 2 years later, most of them are no longer on the team. that's a class where there was a moderate amount spent, and not much return on the investment. it's part of the reason TC is no longer on the team. here's the 2014 FA - ( New Window )
Where he's technically a CB playing inside and they'll deploy him to cover pass catching TEs. Similar to Grant a few years ago. Spags loves that CB/S hybrid.
Exactly. You need at least 4 starting-quality CB's, you need at least 7 starting-quality OL.
I look at 2007, and am still amazed that we came out of that trainwreck with excellent corner play in the playoffs. Webster was riding the bench that year, injuries got him back on the field.
Where he's technically a CB playing inside and they'll deploy him to cover pass catching TEs. Similar to Grant a few years ago. Spags loves that CB/S hybrid.
You are right I think Hall will play a very similar role to the one that Deon Grant and Antrel Rolle played. Hall will see a lot of time at safety in nickel and dime packages. I think Landon Collins will also be lined up as a LB/S in the same packages.
Jacobs cut
Great signing and gives us tremendous depth at the position. Also gives Apple the opportunity to learn without the pressure of being gravely counted on.
Not complaining. It's a good signing but CB will still be a need in the future. They will be down to Jenkins and Apple in a year or two IMHO.
It was just the way the ball bounced salary cap wise. Reese spent all he could while TC was here. This year they just had a bunch more money and then a guy like Hall becomes available which is a little bit of luck.
for the record. I don't think they felt comfortable with
the Apple of your eye playing the slot. You don't sign a
Jenkins to a big contract to play the slot, not how it works
in the NFL.
Not complaining. It's a good signing but CB will still be a need in the future. They will be down to Jenkins and Apple in a year or two IMHO.
I would think we would have drafted replacements in a few years
Indeed I am. As you know, I left BBI last night after having posted he left the building without a contract..What a terrific surprise
I smiled when I saw your handle. I knew you'd love this..:)
only time will tell whether this works out or is just part of the general trend.
this year is an exceedingly high expenditure, but the idea that TC never had any money to spend is baloney. he brought in big ticket players and moderate ticket players and low cost ticket players. some of each worked. a lot of each didn't. anyone who thinks TC (and the relevant position coaches) weren't involved in the acquisition process please see me about a slightly used bridge.
Our huge FA signings under TC didn't leave all that much around for quality depth, imo
Agree? Disagree? I miss Albany
The last several years of his tenure, especially, we weren't rolling in dough, but we weren't starving street urchins, either. in the early years, he had a lot of swing and a miss on players of all tiers, which was part of why they were cap strapped during the middle years (they borrowed a lot of money in restructures during the early mid years which then compounded the problem).
Our huge FA signings under TC didn't leave all that much around for quality depth, imo
Agree? Disagree? I miss Albany
During Coughlin's tenure they made Kareem McKenzie the highest paid RT in the league. At the same time they signed Plaxico Burress and Antonio Pierce.
They didn't exactly break the bank to re-sign Shaun O'Hara, but thanks to Andre Gurode they had to put a big dent in it. When O'Hara retired, they give David Baas a very nice contract. Luckily, they didn't have to do the same to keep David Diehl in the fold.
They made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in the league, and at the same time they shelled out big bucks for Chris Canty and Michael Boley.
That's just a few of the bigger names off the top of my head.
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for most of TC's tenure here, weren't we mostly up against the cap? Sure he brought in guys, but perhaps not the guys he would have wanted here for just a few million more. It didn't work out, but we could have signed any of the OTs we interviewed if they wanted to be here or possibly play ORT. We never could have done that even at the 2nd tier level, when we were strangled by the cap. This year, for example, we made huge monetary signings and STILL had plenty left over to sign whoever we wanted to, imv..
Our huge FA signings under TC didn't leave all that much around for quality depth, imo
Agree? Disagree? I miss Albany
During Coughlin's tenure they made Kareem McKenzie the highest paid RT in the league. At the same time they signed Plaxico Burress and Antonio Pierce.
They didn't exactly break the bank to re-sign Shaun O'Hara, but thanks to Andre Gurode they had to put a big dent in it. When O'Hara retired, they give David Baas a very nice contract. Luckily, they didn't have to do the same to keep David Diehl in the fold.
They made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in the league, and at the same time they shelled out big bucks for Chris Canty and Michael Boley.
That's just a few of the bigger names off the top of my head.
True. But my point was after most of those signings, we were then choking against the cap with no real chance to sign the quality depth WE CAN NOW if we so choose. Yes? No?
only time will tell whether this works out or is just part of the general trend.
this year is an exceedingly high expenditure, but the idea that TC never had any money to spend is baloney. he brought in big ticket players and moderate ticket players and low cost ticket players. some of each worked. a lot of each didn't. anyone who thinks TC (and the relevant position coaches) weren't involved in the acquisition process please see me about a slightly used bridge.
fkap. I meant recently. I know they made many big FA signings during TC tenure overall.
*sigh*
You don't draft for today; You draft for tomorrow. CB is a premium position.
When DRC is gone Apple won't be a "wasted pick".
Are you actually this dumb?
As I recall, a lot of them were minimum wage, but a lot of them got middle class dollars, and one or two were 1%ers.
but, most importantly, 2 years later, most of them are no longer on the team. that's a class where there was a moderate amount spent, and not much return on the investment. it's part of the reason TC is no longer on the team.
here's the 2014 FA - ( New Window )
He's a physical player. He can play that position this season for Giants.
He's a physical player. He can play that position this season for Giants.
Thats what I'm hoping.
Spags said Hall will begin playing inside at CB. #GiantsCamp
I look at 2007, and am still amazed that we came out of that trainwreck with excellent corner play in the playoffs. Webster was riding the bench that year, injuries got him back on the field.
You are right I think Hall will play a very similar role to the one that Deon Grant and Antrel Rolle played. Hall will see a lot of time at safety in nickel and dime packages. I think Landon Collins will also be lined up as a LB/S in the same packages.
It was. But Spags Part I deployed that hybrid guy too. Grant just stands out because he was really really good in that role.