Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
the Pro Bowl's selection process is highly suspect, I think the answer to your question is fairly dependent on the Giants' record. Teams with good records tend to have more Pro Bowl selections. And my belief is that it's more effect than cause.
the Pro Bowl's selection process is highly suspect, I think the answer to your question is fairly dependent on the Giants' record. Teams with good records tend to have more Pro Bowl selections. And my belief is that it's more effect than cause.
At least for me, when I use "probowl" I am talking their season, their ability, their stats and contribution including how well they play when the game is on the line. The probowl vote is often a popularity contest rather than a "best guy plays" vote.
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
My list isn't about whether a guy "makes the probowl game" itself but rather it is about the quality of play a guy has on the season. It means they stay healthy too.
We are weak in the following spots though, I think, or at least very average:
LT Erek Flowers, OG J. Jerry (tick is up though given his off-season camp), RT Newhouse, potentially #2 WR if Cruz doesn't recover, RB Jennings (he's average by NFL standards, sorry - 31 too), LB J. Casillas, MLB Brinkley in coverage, L. Collins if backpedaling but otherwise he's strong, and potentially rookie D. Thompson with rookie errors and such.
Our team isn't perfect but it is better than what Dallas has game 1, or New Orleans game 2 or the Redskins game 3. That is how I see it. Stay healthy through camp and early season while getting to 3-0. The defense comes together for the tough part of the schedule.....
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
You must really hate Victor Cruz to not include him on such a long list of pro bowl "quality" guys when he in fact has gone to two Pro Bowls! He doesn't even make your "outside looking in" grouping. Why can't you apply the same positive thinking to Cruz that you apply to Will Tye? It's not like Cruz is trying to do something unprecedented. We already know he has Pro Bowl talent, it's just a question of whether he can return to his former self after missing time to injury. I can understand being "cautiously" optimistic, but why be so pessimistic as to not even believe he has the potential to play at a Pro Bowl level?
Probable: OBJ
Possible: Eli, Richburg, DRC, JJ
Pleasant surprise: JPP, OV, Pugh, Kennard
Shock the world: Cruz, Shepard
STs: Harris (DeOssie has been sliding the slippery slope downwards for a couple of years already.)
Sheppard has good shot for OROY and both JPP and Cruz for CBPY.
As well as he may play, I can't imagine Snacks getting more than 2-3 sacks and making the PB.
Maybe Kennard should be classified as "shock the world". Maybe even "shock the world" if he actually starts 16 games... anyway Kennard was a beast at the beginning of '15, and if he maintains that level of play for a season he would def. have a shot at PB selection.
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
Manning, Beckham, Richburg, JPP, OV, DRC, Hankins, and Harrison.
I want to see real progress from these players to where you can argue them as legit PB "snubs": Collins, Flowers, Pugh, and Kennard.
Add in a top 5 finish in the voting for OROY for Shephard and we'd have a case to be made that the NYG have one of the more talented rosters in the NFC.
Manning, Beckham, Richburg, JPP, OV, DRC, Hankins, and Harrison.
I want to see real progress from these players to where you can argue them as legit PB "snubs": Collins, Flowers, Pugh, and Kennard.
Add in a top 5 finish in the voting for OROY for Shephard and we'd have a case to be made that the NYG have one of the more talented rosters in the NFC.
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
Robinson had the legitimate potential to be the JPP of TEs (though I believe he still has 10 fingers). Demontre Moore had legitimate potential. The NFL scrap heap is littered with guys who had legit potential.
Until they prove it on the field, there are only TWO all-star quality guys on this team: Beckham and Eli (JPP and Cruz once were, but who knows now?). And while the whole world is unanimous about Beckham, Eli doesn't always get the nod as an NFC Pro Bowl QB -- even though Giants fans know how good he is.
If the Giants start winning a lot of games, more of these guys may emerge and start seeing their individual talents recognized. But on a mediocre team, guy's will have to put up gaudy (Beckham-like) stats to get personally recognized.
I cannot believe you left off Herzlich from the pro-bowl list
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
You must really hate Victor Cruz to not include him on such a long list of pro bowl "quality" guys when he in fact has gone to two Pro Bowls! He doesn't even make your "outside looking in" grouping. Why can't you apply the same positive thinking to Cruz that you apply to Will Tye? It's not like Cruz is trying to do something unprecedented. We already know he has Pro Bowl talent, it's just a question of whether he can return to his former self after missing time to injury. I can understand being "cautiously" optimistic, but why be so pessimistic as to not even believe he has the potential to play at a Pro Bowl level?
Very simple on WR Victor Cruz not making even my "outside looking in" grouping: he hasn't shown his old form in camp, some observers have even noted he seems to have lost a step laterally (cutting) and the explosiveness is not th same as in season's past. He suffered two leg injuries (calf and patella) so who knows what we have.
I was very optimistic (and to agree and still hopeful) about his being a 70-800-7 type wideout (solid #2 numbers, a shade of improvement over Reuben Randle) but if he has in fact lost some explosiveness he isn't likely to break away much or beat better defenders regularly, even with his smarts and knowledge.
I'm pulling for the guy, but until I see him just explode or read that he is beating corners in camp I'll keep him back of the pack.
Probable: OBJ
Possible: Eli, Richburg, DRC, JJ
Pleasant surprise: JPP, OV, Pugh, Kennard
Shock the world: Cruz, Shepard
STs: Harris (DeOssie has been sliding the slippery slope downwards for a couple of years already.)
Sheppard has good shot for OROY and both JPP and Cruz for CBPY.
As well as he may play, I can't imagine Snacks getting more than 2-3 sacks and making the PB.
Maybe Kennard should be classified as "shock the world". Maybe even "shock the world" if he actually starts 16 games... anyway Kennard was a beast at the beginning of '15, and if he maintains that level of play for a season he would def. have a shot at PB selection.
j
Lou,
You are too pessimistic about Shepard - I think his productivity is highly dependent on the strength of the 3rd WR. And even if he has the stats, he'll suffer from the same syndrome that keeps Banks out of the HOF.
And I think you (and everyone on this thread) are too optimistic about JPP. His productivity was steadily declining before he decided to play with fire. I'd love to believe he is a beast but all I'm willing to concede is that he's likely more productive than Cruz.
My list? Beckham - Manning - Richburg and wild card is Shepard.
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
This and his overwhelming positivity is making my dupe meter start to bug.
He's predicted some ridiculous numbers. Something like 4500 yds and 45 tds for Eli, 800 and 9 for Cruz...its to the point I skip over his posts (which are usually long). But he seems like a decent guy so I havent really gone after him yet. But according to him, our offense will resemble the '98 Vikings, and our defense will be like the '99 Redskins.
I've never understood why some Giants fans care how Giants players
are thought of by sportswriters or TV commentators or fans of other teams. Many posters on this site get livid when Eli is "disrespected" by somebody on ESPN or the NFL Network. To me, their opinion is irrelevant. I care only that the Giants win. What anybody thinks of the Giants as a team, or specific players on the roster is of no interest to me, and should be of no interest to Giants fans. Frankly I wouldn't care if not a single Giant made the pro bowl so long as the Giants at least played in the Super Bowl, if not won it.
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
This and his overwhelming positivity is making my dupe meter start to bug.
He's predicted some ridiculous numbers. Something like 4500 yds and 45 tds for Eli, 800 and 9 for Cruz...its to the point I skip over his posts (which are usually long). But he seems like a decent guy so I havent really gone after him yet. But according to him, our offense will resemble the '98 Vikings, and our defense will be like the '99 Redskins.
What can I say, I'm an optimist! This offense won't be on par with any of the great ones but it will score more than last year IF it has more opportunites given our improved defense. 4500 yards and 45 TD's isn't outrageous if we are healthy?
As for posting a lot, yes, I got out of the hospital and have been home - BORED of course. I've posted more in the last 2.5 weeks than I did in the 2.5 years prior combined. No joke. But the bored ship is about to sale as I'm feeling better. Being a combat vetean with health issues is no joke, but I'm a VICTOR not a VICTIM. Amen.
Oh, and Go Giants!
PS: you'll notice I never return anger for anger; immaturity for immaturity; or over-drawn negativity. Its all good, the purpose of discussion is to have differences of opinion. If we all thought the same and were worried about "political correctness" we wouldn't have Corner Forum. I've beeen on this site for almost 20 years. Never had much of any negative commentary until recently. But of course I've posted more recently than I ever have, thus exposing myself to criticm. I truly don't care. LOL
Richburg is possible if he stays on his improved trajectory. Snacks will get consideration.
Pugh graded out as a top 10 guard last year. He's right there as far as pro bowl consideration. He's a dominant player reminds me a lot of snee. Pugh and richburg both have that mean streak. Pair them with flowers and you have the making of a nasty, tough line
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
This and his overwhelming positivity is making my dupe meter start to bug.
He's predicted some ridiculous numbers. Something like 4500 yds and 45 tds for Eli, 800 and 9 for Cruz...its to the point I skip over his posts (which are usually long). But he seems like a decent guy so I havent really gone after him yet. But according to him, our offense will resemble the '98 Vikings, and our defense will be like the '99 Redskins.
What can I say, I'm an optimist! This offense won't be on par with any of the great ones but it will score more than last year IF it has more opportunites given our improved defense. 4500 yards and 45 TD's isn't outrageous if we are healthy?
As for posting a lot, yes, I got out of the hospital and have been home - BORED of course. I've posted more in the last 2.5 weeks than I did in the 2.5 years prior combined. No joke. But the bored ship is about to sale as I'm feeling better. Being a combat vetean with health issues is no joke, but I'm a VICTOR not a VICTIM. Amen.
Oh, and Go Giants!
PS: you'll notice I never return anger for anger; immaturity for immaturity; or over-drawn negativity. Its all good, the purpose of discussion is to have differences of opinion. If we all thought the same and were worried about "political correctness" we wouldn't have Corner Forum. I've beeen on this site for almost 20 years. Never had much of any negative commentary until recently. But of course I've posted more recently than I ever have, thus exposing myself to criticm. I truly don't care. LOL
Well Im glad youre doing well. Like I said, you seem lile a decent person and never had a reason to get fresh with you.
Guess it makes sense being laid up and having to post. I hope you understand my suspicion given the typical attitude on this board as well as the concentration of dupes and trolls.
But 45 tds???? Oh well. Thank you for your service and we're happy tohave you!
Richburg is possible if he stays on his improved trajectory. Snacks will get consideration.
Pugh graded out as a top 10 guard last year. He's right there as far as pro bowl consideration. He's a dominant player reminds me a lot of snee. Pugh and richburg both have that mean streak. Pair them with flowers and you have the making of a nasty, tough line
Pugh is huge this year via weight training and diet. He worked out hard so he can be a better drive blocker at OG, mauling DL's. I think the tandem of Flowers and Pugh, if they can just go straight forward while Richburg help Jerry create a hole or hits the LB will make for a much better run game. Pugh can probowl for sure.
Well Im glad youre doing well. Like I said, you seem lile a decent person and never had a reason to get fresh with you.
Guess it makes sense being laid up and having to post. I hope you understand my suspicion given the typical attitude on this board as well as the concentration of dupes and trolls.
But 45 tds???? Oh well. Thank you for your service and we're happy tohave you! [/quote]My pleasure, thanks for the thank you. 44 TD's, we'll meet half way? LOL.
But seriously, think if the positives and we were 8th last year with a defense that kept the offense off the field:
1. Improved OL, continuity of OL (assumes we stay healthy)
2. Improved TE's, FB's (W. Johnson)
3. WR Cruz - you have to hope he at least equals Randles's receptions as the #2 / #3. WR Shepard looks good and is likely an upgrade to WR Harris.
4. RB - assuming Jennings has one more year left in his 31 year old frame; assuming A. Williams has improved like the reports are noting, especially with his receiving; and assuming Rookie Paul Perkins becomes a starter type by season's last quarter, we should be putting teams away late via a stronger ground game due to all around better blocking and knowledge of offense.
I'm optimistic Eli has 5,000 yards, 44 TD's and just 9 interceptions. Don't sell me short man. :)
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
Odell
Pugh
Richburg
Tye
Either JPP or Vernon
Hankins
DRC
Jenkins
Brown
Not bad
I'd go:
Eli, Beckham, Richburg, JPP, Vernon, DRC.
That's 6 of 22 starters, which ain't too shabby. The other good news is, those are certainly the positions that you want to have pro bowlers at.
He asked about pro bowlers, not guaranteed first ballot ball of famers
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Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
We are weak in the following spots though, I think, or at least very average:
LT Erek Flowers, OG J. Jerry (tick is up though given his off-season camp), RT Newhouse, potentially #2 WR if Cruz doesn't recover, RB Jennings (he's average by NFL standards, sorry - 31 too), LB J. Casillas, MLB Brinkley in coverage, L. Collins if backpedaling but otherwise he's strong, and potentially rookie D. Thompson with rookie errors and such.
Our team isn't perfect but it is better than what Dallas has game 1, or New Orleans game 2 or the Redskins game 3. That is how I see it. Stay healthy through camp and early season while getting to 3-0. The defense comes together for the tough part of the schedule.....
Go Giants!
But here are the guys I think we need to make the team for the Giants to be successful.
Eli
Beckham
Richburg
Hankins
I like Vernon and JPP, and while I think they're important and gifted, it could be a stretch either make the pro bowl.
But Hankins is a guy I really want to see take a huge step forward this year, and I think if he does, the entire defensive line is going to be better.
The only two guys that have a shot at first team ALL-NFL ALL-PRO are Eli Manning and Odell Beckham.
But we do have a bunch of quality players as I noted in my earlier post. We clearly have "potential" - August or not.
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Possible: Eli, Richburg, DRC, JJ
Pleasant surprise: JPP, OV, Pugh, Kennard
Shock the world: Cruz, Shepard
STs: Harris (DeOssie has been sliding the slippery slope downwards for a couple of years already.)
Sheppard has good shot for OROY and both JPP and Cruz for CBPY.
As well as he may play, I can't imagine Snacks getting more than 2-3 sacks and making the PB.
Maybe Kennard should be classified as "shock the world". Maybe even "shock the world" if he actually starts 16 games... anyway Kennard was a beast at the beginning of '15, and if he maintains that level of play for a season he would def. have a shot at PB selection.
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Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
If you want to know which Giants might make the Pro Bowl ask yourself which Giants have mainstream popularity.
So..OBJ.
Thanks
I want to see real progress from these players to where you can argue them as legit PB "snubs": Collins, Flowers, Pugh, and Kennard.
Add in a top 5 finish in the voting for OROY for Shephard and we'd have a case to be made that the NYG have one of the more talented rosters in the NFC.
I want to see real progress from these players to where you can argue them as legit PB "snubs": Collins, Flowers, Pugh, and Kennard.
Add in a top 5 finish in the voting for OROY for Shephard and we'd have a case to be made that the NYG have one of the more talented rosters in the NFC.
**Shepard**
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Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
LoL.
makes sense
Until they prove it on the field, there are only TWO all-star quality guys on this team: Beckham and Eli (JPP and Cruz once were, but who knows now?). And while the whole world is unanimous about Beckham, Eli doesn't always get the nod as an NFC Pro Bowl QB -- even though Giants fans know how good he is.
If the Giants start winning a lot of games, more of these guys may emerge and start seeing their individual talents recognized. But on a mediocre team, guy's will have to put up gaudy (Beckham-like) stats to get personally recognized.
makes sense
Quote:
Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
You must really hate Victor Cruz to not include him on such a long list of pro bowl "quality" guys when he in fact has gone to two Pro Bowls! He doesn't even make your "outside looking in" grouping. Why can't you apply the same positive thinking to Cruz that you apply to Will Tye? It's not like Cruz is trying to do something unprecedented. We already know he has Pro Bowl talent, it's just a question of whether he can return to his former self after missing time to injury. I can understand being "cautiously" optimistic, but why be so pessimistic as to not even believe he has the potential to play at a Pro Bowl level?
I was very optimistic (and to agree and still hopeful) about his being a 70-800-7 type wideout (solid #2 numbers, a shade of improvement over Reuben Randle) but if he has in fact lost some explosiveness he isn't likely to break away much or beat better defenders regularly, even with his smarts and knowledge.
I'm pulling for the guy, but until I see him just explode or read that he is beating corners in camp I'll keep him back of the pack.
Olivier Garden?
Possible: Eli, Richburg, DRC, JJ
Pleasant surprise: JPP, OV, Pugh, Kennard
Shock the world: Cruz, Shepard
STs: Harris (DeOssie has been sliding the slippery slope downwards for a couple of years already.)
Sheppard has good shot for OROY and both JPP and Cruz for CBPY.
As well as he may play, I can't imagine Snacks getting more than 2-3 sacks and making the PB.
Maybe Kennard should be classified as "shock the world". Maybe even "shock the world" if he actually starts 16 games... anyway Kennard was a beast at the beginning of '15, and if he maintains that level of play for a season he would def. have a shot at PB selection.
Lou,
You are too pessimistic about Shepard - I think his productivity is highly dependent on the strength of the 3rd WR. And even if he has the stats, he'll suffer from the same syndrome that keeps Banks out of the HOF.
And I think you (and everyone on this thread) are too optimistic about JPP. His productivity was steadily declining before he decided to play with fire. I'd love to believe he is a beast but all I'm willing to concede is that he's likely more productive than Cruz.
My list? Beckham - Manning - Richburg and wild card is Shepard.
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In comment 13061211 SGMen said:
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Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
This and his overwhelming positivity is making my dupe meter start to bug.
He's predicted some ridiculous numbers. Something like 4500 yds and 45 tds for Eli, 800 and 9 for Cruz...its to the point I skip over his posts (which are usually long). But he seems like a decent guy so I havent really gone after him yet. But according to him, our offense will resemble the '98 Vikings, and our defense will be like the '99 Redskins.
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In comment 13061294 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13061211 SGMen said:
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Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
This and his overwhelming positivity is making my dupe meter start to bug.
He's predicted some ridiculous numbers. Something like 4500 yds and 45 tds for Eli, 800 and 9 for Cruz...its to the point I skip over his posts (which are usually long). But he seems like a decent guy so I havent really gone after him yet. But according to him, our offense will resemble the '98 Vikings, and our defense will be like the '99 Redskins.
As for posting a lot, yes, I got out of the hospital and have been home - BORED of course. I've posted more in the last 2.5 weeks than I did in the 2.5 years prior combined. No joke. But the bored ship is about to sale as I'm feeling better. Being a combat vetean with health issues is no joke, but I'm a VICTOR not a VICTIM. Amen.
Oh, and Go Giants!
PS: you'll notice I never return anger for anger; immaturity for immaturity; or over-drawn negativity. Its all good, the purpose of discussion is to have differences of opinion. If we all thought the same and were worried about "political correctness" we wouldn't have Corner Forum. I've beeen on this site for almost 20 years. Never had much of any negative commentary until recently. But of course I've posted more recently than I ever have, thus exposing myself to criticm. I truly don't care. LOL
Pugh graded out as a top 10 guard last year. He's right there as far as pro bowl consideration. He's a dominant player reminds me a lot of snee. Pugh and richburg both have that mean streak. Pair them with flowers and you have the making of a nasty, tough line
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Eli Manning
Odell Beckham Jr.
Justin Pugh
W. Richburg
O. Vernon
JPP
DRCromartie
D. Harris -ST's
Z. DeOssie - ST LS
J. Brown - K (assuming lots of XP's and FG accuracy.)
Outside looking in grouping:
D. Kennard
W. Tye (he'll start and catch a lot of balls with Eli)
W. Johnson (versatile FB / HBack)
J. Hankins (just shy of probowler)
D. Harrison (just shy of probowler)
That is my list.
Are you sure you didn't forget anybody?
This dude seems to be posting A LOT.
This and his overwhelming positivity is making my dupe meter start to bug.
He's predicted some ridiculous numbers. Something like 4500 yds and 45 tds for Eli, 800 and 9 for Cruz...its to the point I skip over his posts (which are usually long). But he seems like a decent guy so I havent really gone after him yet. But according to him, our offense will resemble the '98 Vikings, and our defense will be like the '99 Redskins.
What can I say, I'm an optimist! This offense won't be on par with any of the great ones but it will score more than last year IF it has more opportunites given our improved defense. 4500 yards and 45 TD's isn't outrageous if we are healthy?
As for posting a lot, yes, I got out of the hospital and have been home - BORED of course. I've posted more in the last 2.5 weeks than I did in the 2.5 years prior combined. No joke. But the bored ship is about to sale as I'm feeling better. Being a combat vetean with health issues is no joke, but I'm a VICTOR not a VICTIM. Amen.
Oh, and Go Giants!
PS: you'll notice I never return anger for anger; immaturity for immaturity; or over-drawn negativity. Its all good, the purpose of discussion is to have differences of opinion. If we all thought the same and were worried about "political correctness" we wouldn't have Corner Forum. I've beeen on this site for almost 20 years. Never had much of any negative commentary until recently. But of course I've posted more recently than I ever have, thus exposing myself to criticm. I truly don't care. LOL
Well Im glad youre doing well. Like I said, you seem lile a decent person and never had a reason to get fresh with you.
Guess it makes sense being laid up and having to post. I hope you understand my suspicion given the typical attitude on this board as well as the concentration of dupes and trolls.
But 45 tds???? Oh well. Thank you for your service and we're happy tohave you!
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Richburg is possible if he stays on his improved trajectory. Snacks will get consideration.
Pugh graded out as a top 10 guard last year. He's right there as far as pro bowl consideration. He's a dominant player reminds me a lot of snee. Pugh and richburg both have that mean streak. Pair them with flowers and you have the making of a nasty, tough line
Chopperhatch said:
Well Im glad youre doing well. Like I said, you seem lile a decent person and never had a reason to get fresh with you.
Guess it makes sense being laid up and having to post. I hope you understand my suspicion given the typical attitude on this board as well as the concentration of dupes and trolls.
But 45 tds???? Oh well. Thank you for your service and we're happy tohave you! [/quote]My pleasure, thanks for the thank you. 44 TD's, we'll meet half way? LOL.
But seriously, think if the positives and we were 8th last year with a defense that kept the offense off the field:
1. Improved OL, continuity of OL (assumes we stay healthy)
2. Improved TE's, FB's (W. Johnson)
3. WR Cruz - you have to hope he at least equals Randles's receptions as the #2 / #3. WR Shepard looks good and is likely an upgrade to WR Harris.
4. RB - assuming Jennings has one more year left in his 31 year old frame; assuming A. Williams has improved like the reports are noting, especially with his receiving; and assuming Rookie Paul Perkins becomes a starter type by season's last quarter, we should be putting teams away late via a stronger ground game due to all around better blocking and knowledge of offense.
I'm optimistic Eli has 5,000 yards, 44 TD's and just 9 interceptions. Don't sell me short man. :)