Spags had a quote the other day. In not so many words he said that Thompson is among the smartest and quickest learners he's had at safety in his entire coaching career. He mentioned trying to find a second safety in PHI to go with Dawkins and a guy like Thompson never came about. Studly sounding guy.
King is ahead of Lewis and Powe.
Williams is ahead of Darkwa.
Milhouse and Coleman are both ahead of Hughes and Nix.
Taylor is ahead of M. Thompson and Jackson.
We've been told Robinson has been playing the Mike and the nickel LB and that Tye has been consistantly running with the 1s. But Donnell is listed as the 1st string TE and Will Johnson as a 3rd string TE?!?! Sorry not really buying that. Especially TE.
We've been told Robinson has been playing the Mike and the nickel LB and that Tye has been consistantly running with the 1s. But Donnell is listed as the 1st string TE and Will Johnson as a 3rd string TE?!?! Sorry not really buying that. Especially TE.
Not surprised on either. I suspected all along Robinson would be moved outside, and it is not true that Tye has been with the 1s. Tye and Donnell both have. On when I was there Donnell received first reps with the 1s. I would not read too much into it either way though.
It can change day to day, so the words official or unofficial are meaningless. The point is that it's published by the team and not the media, so it's as meaningful as any public depth chart one week into August.
So the question to ask is what are the Giants trying to accomplish with the public display of a depth chart (other than fulfilling their league mandated requirement)?
1. Putting Shepard ahead of Cruz was an interesting choice.
2. I think Bromley at the bottom is clearly a reflection of his status on PUP and nothing else (same goes for JT Thomas).
3. Weird to Gettis listed as the 3rd string OC when I was thinking he would be a guy who dressed on game day as the primary backup for all three interior OL positions (with Bobby Hart as the other OL backup who dresses).
4. Listing Johnson as a TE is another interesting choice, but I don't think it makes Whitlock's roster spot any more secure.
Depends on injuries around the league. He was a 6th round draft pick so it's not like he was highly regarded around the league. If he doesn't show enough in training camp and preseason games to justify a spot on the Giants 53 man roster, chances are he didn't show enough to make another team's roster either. But injuries around the league could put him in play for another team if he was available.
RE: Kind of interesting that Cooper Taylor is ahead
Also, is Andrew Adams in front of Bennett Jackson because one is viewed as a strong safety and the other a free or is he closer to a final roster spot than Jackson?
Louis Nix all the way at the bottom at DT. Is that for motivation or is he really that far removed from making the team? I figured--assuming Bromley returns to health--that Bromley, Snacks, and Hankins would form the DT rotation and that "Nix was in the mix" for the 4th DT spot (along with Hughes).
The fact that Keenan Robinson, Kelvin Sheppard and B.J. Goodson could not seize a starting spot is a little discouraging.
Sheppard ahead of Cruz wasn't unexpected but his upside is almost like Odell's from what I'm hearing in training camp
Hart behind Newhouse and Jerry is disappointing
Tavarres King is apparently impressing coaches because he is second on the depth chart for Odell's X WR spot
I almost get the sense that many of you are not reading the camp reports. Robinson has been receiving a bunch of time with the #1's plus he's with the nickel package. Sheppard has also received a bunch of #1 snaps.
Louis Nix all the way at the bottom at DT. Is that for motivation or is he really that far removed from making the team? I figured--assuming Bromley returns to health--that Bromley, Snacks, and Hankins would form the DT rotation and that "Nix was in the mix" for the 4th DT spot (along with Hughes).
Milton, again, you may want to start reading the camp reports. Milhouse was the starter before Harrison came back.
The surprise to me there was that Bennet Jackson isn't ahead of Mykkelle. After watching him a lot in college, I have never considered him to be an NFL player.
Thought he was going to really push for time. Guess we can't be too disappointed at this point. Plenty of rooks making a good push to be major players.
On the offensive line is very scary. A bunch of free agent and journeyman types is not the way to build a championship team. Some of those guys are going to have to fill in and except for possibly Hart, the list is highly unimpressive. Reese needs to bring in a veteran swing type after cuts. I see this area as by far the biggest problem with the team.
On the offensive line is very scary. A bunch of free agent and journeyman types is not the way to build a championship team. Some of those guys are going to have to fill in and except for possibly Hart, the list is highly unimpressive. Reese needs to bring in a veteran swing type after cuts. I see this area as by far the biggest problem with the team.
Agreed. Looks like another summer of preseason games where the offense is unwatchable once the starting OL heads to the bench. After a while, watching Ryan Nassib run for his life and throwing inaccurate balls because his footwork is all fouled up becomes old.
On the offensive line is very scary. A bunch of free agent and journeyman types is not the way to build a championship team. Some of those guys are going to have to fill in and except for possibly Hart, the list is highly unimpressive. Reese needs to bring in a veteran swing type after cuts. I see this area as by far the biggest problem with the team.
Me too, Marty. Our achilles heel unless we bring in a competent OL or two.
J.T. Thomas and Jay Bromley are at the bottom of the depth chart because technically they are not on the roster right now. That's what the plus symbol next to their name means.
Patricia Traina @Patricia_Traina 3h3 hours ago
Can't stress this enough. The depth chart released today is unofficial. Team's PR staff assembles it.
Yeah, unofficial. It is fairly close to right though.
I think the practices RIGHT AFTER pre-season game 1 will be very telling. I think the first team reps will go more to first teamers; 2nd team reps to 2nd and 3rd teamers and vice versa. Not saying no second teamers will get reps with first team but maybe not as much shuffling. Camps are shorter now and I'd have to believe, guess really, that McAdoo will focus on the guys he'll have out there game 1 starting with the end of the 1st pre-season game's evaluations.
Patricia Traina @Patricia_Traina 3h3 hours ago
Can't stress this enough. The depth chart released today is unofficial. Team's PR staff assembles it.
Yeah, unofficial. It is fairly close to right though.
Do you think the PR staff was going to screw around with it just for the hell of it? Maybe put Logan Thomas ahead of Eli and Nassib? They're making the same educated guesses that we are, that the beats have been doing. It doesn't mean a thing, which is the whole point of calling it "unofficial."
The fact that Keenan Robinson, Kelvin Sheppard and B.J. Goodson could not seize a starting spot is a little discouraging.
Sheppard ahead of Cruz wasn't unexpected but his upside is almost like Odell's from what I'm hearing in training camp
Hart behind Newhouse and Jerry is disappointing
Tavarres King is apparently impressing coaches because he is second on the depth chart for Odell's X WR spot
I almost get the sense that many of you are not reading the camp reports. Robinson has been receiving a bunch of time with the #1's plus he's with the nickel package. Sheppard has also received a bunch of #1 snaps.
Coverage MLB and potential starting nickel LB / WLB / MLB Keenan Robinson is one of the best off-season signing we made. He just has to stay healthy and he'll prove himself as a bona-fide starter. The middle of the field won't be as wide open for RB's, TE's and FB's to catch short passes against us or deep middle wide open.
It is a TEMPORARY depth chart.
It is subject to change without notice (even to BBI).
I guarantee that there will be changes to the depth chart. What the heck do you think the four preseason games are for?
New players such as rookies and newly acquired veteran linemen and linebacker really can't be evaluated until they play in actual games.
It is not unreasonable for the Giants to see how the team does in a real game before it goes out and overpays for a veteran to fill a hole. At this point it may be uncertain where the hole is.
Hold your water.
RE: I don't see those 3 LBs actually starting week 1.
By then Hall should be ahead of Apple. I also think Perkins will be rd, meaning Darkwa and Williams are fighting for a spot.
Starting LB's for week 1 will be WLB J. Casillas (over JT Thomas or Sheppard); MLB Brinkley (Robinson is the nickel LB); and SLB D. Kennard (not sure who the backup to him will be at this point, honest...).
RB's will be R. Jennings, A. Williams, O. Dwarka, P. Perkins and S. Vereen as the "specialist" 3rd down back. Odd man out is Whitlock at FB.
but they happen and we shall see how that chart shakes
out after the game ...
Agree 100% the need for decent swing tackle ...
Herzlitch I still don't think he is a lock nor do I think
Cooper Taylor is .
I'm not sure how much of an edge the 2nd team player vs a 3rd team player ...
the sixth WR is up for grabs for sure ..
But not gonna get to worried about the Depth chart for now
but they happen and we shall see how that chart shakes
out after the game ...
Agree 100% the need for decent swing tackle ...
Herzlitch I still don't think he is a lock nor do I think
Cooper Taylor is .
I'm not sure how much of an edge the 2nd team player vs a 3rd team player ...
the sixth WR is up for grabs for sure ..
But not gonna get to worried about the Depth chart for now
Herzlich keeps getting high marks for his special teams play; knowledge of the defense; POA vs run ability; leadership and so forth. But if he is starting for any great length of time we are in trouble. That is why we had better hope Goodson develops at MLB, WLB and SLB (versatile) as the year moves along.
I know this chart doesn't mean a whole lot at this point BUT....
It can change day to day, so the words official or unofficial are meaningless. The point is that it's published by the team and not the media, so it's as meaningful as any public depth chart one week into August.
So the question to ask is what are the Giants trying to accomplish with the public display of a depth chart (other than fulfilling their league mandated requirement)?
1. Putting Shepard ahead of Cruz was an interesting choice.
2. I think Bromley at the bottom is clearly a reflection of his status on PUP and nothing else (same goes for JT Thomas).
3. Weird to Gettis listed as the 3rd string OC when I was thinking he would be a guy who dressed on game day as the primary backup for all three interior OL positions (with Bobby Hart as the other OL backup who dresses).
4. Listing Johnson as a TE is another interesting choice, but I don't think it makes Whitlock's roster spot any more secure.
Nice summary Milton. One thing very obviously not represented at all on the depth chart is "sub package" specific positions like slot WR, slot DB, H-back...
Considering those unlisted but very real positions, I think it's foolish to view Will Johnson or Leon Hall as "3rd string" players.
In that regard the information as listed is devious.
Interesting that Whitlock is the 1st team "FB". The coaches love him on STs and maybe SGMen has been nailing it all along regarding keeping Whitlock as a pass rusher specialist too.
Listing Andre Williams as on a par with Vereen is interesting too. Apparently the 1ere backup RB to Jennings, should he get dinged, is still Williams. A show of faith to boost Williams' confidence or something the coaches have seen in Williams' film that BBI doesn't see?
seemingly behind Lewis and King... not to mention King seemingly has the lead spot for the 6th man...
that bodes well for us and those two guys.
And Cruz better have his game up and ready to go by September...
How is White "behind" Lewis? Behind King, maybe, since King is listed on a par as a 2nd reamer with Davis on that chart.
The WR chart is kinda interesting because there is almost an inference that Shepard and the guys listed behind him (Cruz and Harris) are the slot WRs... Whereas OBJ and the guys listed behind him are the "outside" WRs at X or Z.
1st and second team players, with more than 3 guys listed as 3rd team players that I guess are highly unlikely to be cut.
Those current 3rd team unlikely cuts are mid round draft picks Goodson and Perkins and FA acquisitions Hall and Johnson.
That's 4 guys for 3 slots IF all the players listed as 1st and 2nd team are kept. So at least 1 guy needs to be cut from the initial 50 and 2 if you want to keep draft pick Adams or a 10th DB (Hall brings the total to 9) or a 4th TE like LaCosse.
From which position groups do you cut?
Obviously OL where 10 are too many, and the only other possibility I see is FB Whitlock.
Cooper Taylor and Herzlich's positions alone on this chart
As much as we all enjoy his rapid rise to perhaps the best WR in the league ... his listing as #2 on the PR list brings out thoughts of some Gale Sayers type highlights we could have had had he not risen so quickly to a valuable WR ... Look up and find some college highlights to see his unique talent of plotting his run to the end zone right after receiving the ball ... Even if he didn't develop so quickly into the WR he is we'd still be talking about his game breaking punt returns I'm sure....
Late in a crucial game where a dynamic punt return
Its expected that Jerrel Adams will be raw. My guess if he is waived someone will grab him before he can make the PS. He has skills, the other guys who have been around longer are ahead of him.
Not really when you consider it is the depth chart for the first preseason game. Returning players often are placed higher on the first depth chart, it will all get sorted out and changed frequently over the coming weeks.
develop into starters but are good on specials make for an overall weaker roster.
It's not always that hard and fast, but I would tend to try and keep the potential future starter who is adequate at specials versus the Herzlich type. And of course, bust the former's ass to be a better ST player now. But we have Quinn so there should be no problem with that.
from what I gather, is going to get a long look at being the primary slot corner. He'll see plenty of action there, he's not in competition with the two boundary corners.
Apple will likely be playing mostly outside where he has the boundary to protect him, and a ton less responsibility to process play in and out (search for robbieballs outstanding, detailed posts on the matter).
Like I said its not hard and fast. But it should be a roster goal
and a bit of a surprise as 2nd behind only Snacks. Campbell College? Come on! And as stated last week, Bromley is at risk, the longer he is out...
To Eric's comment I know nada re. Ishaq Williams
And did note McDermott's role in Camp Notes. Did we pick him up as UFA in 2015 and land him on the PS?
5 quick takeaways from the Giants' unofficial depth chart reveal
By the time Sunday rolls around, the players will have been evaluated based on the pre-season game and I'm sure adjustments will be made to the "true" depth chart. I do believe McAdoo cherishes versatility so guys that can play two spots, two roles or more are "key" and will likely be kept.
I'd love for our UDFA's and 2nd year "off the PS 2015" to stick as we own their rights for four years and have more cap space over a veteran like Mark Herzlich, B. Stingley, T. Wade, C. Taylor, DT Nix, LB JT Thomas, LB Sheppard, etc.
Not sure how this plays out but I do know the 1st practice, who is practicing where and getting reps with 1st and 2nd team and so forth, should be a bit revealong along with the play in the pre-season game itself. I mean, if Cooper Taylor picks off a pass and hammers a RB at the LOS how can you not move him up the charts? If he gets beat deep or run over, reverse happens. Simple.
stick or go to the PS. Although, they are both coming off of bad injuries, both were draft picks (which Jerry doesn't like to let go of) and both can play Safety and CB (giving the team more flexibility)
stick or go to the PS. Although, they are both coming off of bad injuries, both were draft picks (which Jerry doesn't like to let go of) and both can play Safety and CB (giving the team more flexibility)
I think both of these guys make the team.
SS: L. Collins, N. Behre
FS: D. Thompson, B. Jackson, M. Thompson
Cut: Cooper Taylor, J. Currie, Adams. Maybe Currie makes PS. I like Jackson and Thompson over Taylor due to youth and special teams.
But again, this pre-season game and the practice following (open to public) will be very telling.
Are "closed practices" open at all to writers and such, for certain periods of time? I'm not at all sure but am thinking NO.
Spags had a quote the other day. In not so many words he said that Thompson is among the smartest and quickest learners he's had at safety in his entire coaching career. He mentioned trying to find a second safety in PHI to go with Dawkins and a guy like Thompson never came about. Studly sounding guy.
King is ahead of Lewis and Powe.
Williams is ahead of Darkwa.
Milhouse and Coleman are both ahead of Hughes and Nix.
Taylor is ahead of M. Thompson and Jackson.
Bromley hasn't practiced. He's on the PUP.
Whew!
Yeah, but it's something to talk about:)
So the question to ask is what are the Giants trying to accomplish with the public display of a depth chart (other than fulfilling their league mandated requirement)?
1. Putting Shepard ahead of Cruz was an interesting choice.
2. I think Bromley at the bottom is clearly a reflection of his status on PUP and nothing else (same goes for JT Thomas).
3. Weird to Gettis listed as the 3rd string OC when I was thinking he would be a guy who dressed on game day as the primary backup for all three interior OL positions (with Bobby Hart as the other OL backup who dresses).
4. Listing Johnson as a TE is another interesting choice, but I don't think it makes Whitlock's roster spot any more secure.
Sheppard ahead of Cruz wasn't unexpected but his upside is almost like Odell's from what I'm hearing in training camp
Hart behind Newhouse and Jerry is disappointing
Tavarres King is apparently impressing coaches because he is second on the depth chart for Odell's X WR spot
Sheppard ahead of Cruz wasn't unexpected but his upside is almost like Odell's from what I'm hearing in training camp
Hart behind Newhouse and Jerry is disappointing
Tavarres King is apparently impressing coaches because he is second on the depth chart for Odell's X WR spot
I almost get the sense that many of you are not reading the camp reports. Robinson has been receiving a bunch of time with the #1's plus he's with the nickel package. Sheppard has also received a bunch of #1 snaps.
Milton, again, you may want to start reading the camp reports. Milhouse was the starter before Harrison came back.
The surprise to me there was that Bennet Jackson isn't ahead of Mykkelle. After watching him a lot in college, I have never considered him to be an NFL player.
Agreed. Looks like another summer of preseason games where the offense is unwatchable once the starting OL heads to the bench. After a while, watching Ryan Nassib run for his life and throwing inaccurate balls because his footwork is all fouled up becomes old.
Me too, Marty. Our achilles heel unless we bring in a competent OL or two.
Saw that too. Yikes
I guess Hankins is the #3 tech
Can't stress this enough. The depth chart released today is unofficial. Team's PR staff assembles it.
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Patricia Traina @Patricia_Traina 3h3 hours ago
Can't stress this enough. The depth chart released today is unofficial. Team's PR staff assembles it.
I think the practices RIGHT AFTER pre-season game 1 will be very telling. I think the first team reps will go more to first teamers; 2nd team reps to 2nd and 3rd teamers and vice versa. Not saying no second teamers will get reps with first team but maybe not as much shuffling. Camps are shorter now and I'd have to believe, guess really, that McAdoo will focus on the guys he'll have out there game 1 starting with the end of the 1st pre-season game's evaluations.
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Patricia Traina @Patricia_Traina 3h3 hours ago
Can't stress this enough. The depth chart released today is unofficial. Team's PR staff assembles it.
Yeah, unofficial. It is fairly close to right though.
Do you think the PR staff was going to screw around with it just for the hell of it? Maybe put Logan Thomas ahead of Eli and Nassib? They're making the same educated guesses that we are, that the beats have been doing. It doesn't mean a thing, which is the whole point of calling it "unofficial."
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The fact that Keenan Robinson, Kelvin Sheppard and B.J. Goodson could not seize a starting spot is a little discouraging.
Sheppard ahead of Cruz wasn't unexpected but his upside is almost like Odell's from what I'm hearing in training camp
Hart behind Newhouse and Jerry is disappointing
Tavarres King is apparently impressing coaches because he is second on the depth chart for Odell's X WR spot
I almost get the sense that many of you are not reading the camp reports. Robinson has been receiving a bunch of time with the #1's plus he's with the nickel package. Sheppard has also received a bunch of #1 snaps.
It is subject to change without notice (even to BBI).
I guarantee that there will be changes to the depth chart. What the heck do you think the four preseason games are for?
New players such as rookies and newly acquired veteran linemen and linebacker really can't be evaluated until they play in actual games.
It is not unreasonable for the Giants to see how the team does in a real game before it goes out and overpays for a veteran to fill a hole. At this point it may be uncertain where the hole is.
Hold your water.
RB's will be R. Jennings, A. Williams, O. Dwarka, P. Perkins and S. Vereen as the "specialist" 3rd down back. Odd man out is Whitlock at FB.
that bodes well for us and those two guys.
And Cruz better have his game up and ready to go by September...
out after the game ...
Agree 100% the need for decent swing tackle ...
Herzlitch I still don't think he is a lock nor do I think
Cooper Taylor is .
I'm not sure how much of an edge the 2nd team player vs a 3rd team player ...
the sixth WR is up for grabs for sure ..
But not gonna get to worried about the Depth chart for now
out after the game ...
Agree 100% the need for decent swing tackle ...
Herzlitch I still don't think he is a lock nor do I think
Cooper Taylor is .
I'm not sure how much of an edge the 2nd team player vs a 3rd team player ...
the sixth WR is up for grabs for sure ..
But not gonna get to worried about the Depth chart for now
So the question to ask is what are the Giants trying to accomplish with the public display of a depth chart (other than fulfilling their league mandated requirement)?
1. Putting Shepard ahead of Cruz was an interesting choice.
2. I think Bromley at the bottom is clearly a reflection of his status on PUP and nothing else (same goes for JT Thomas).
3. Weird to Gettis listed as the 3rd string OC when I was thinking he would be a guy who dressed on game day as the primary backup for all three interior OL positions (with Bobby Hart as the other OL backup who dresses).
4. Listing Johnson as a TE is another interesting choice, but I don't think it makes Whitlock's roster spot any more secure.
Nice summary Milton. One thing very obviously not represented at all on the depth chart is "sub package" specific positions like slot WR, slot DB, H-back...
Considering those unlisted but very real positions, I think it's foolish to view Will Johnson or Leon Hall as "3rd string" players.
In that regard the information as listed is devious.
Interesting that Whitlock is the 1st team "FB". The coaches love him on STs and maybe SGMen has been nailing it all along regarding keeping Whitlock as a pass rusher specialist too.
Listing Andre Williams as on a par with Vereen is interesting too. Apparently the 1ere backup RB to Jennings, should he get dinged, is still Williams. A show of faith to boost Williams' confidence or something the coaches have seen in Williams' film that BBI doesn't see?
that bodes well for us and those two guys.
And Cruz better have his game up and ready to go by September...
How is White "behind" Lewis? Behind King, maybe, since King is listed on a par as a 2nd reamer with Davis on that chart.
The WR chart is kinda interesting because there is almost an inference that Shepard and the guys listed behind him (Cruz and Harris) are the slot WRs... Whereas OBJ and the guys listed behind him are the "outside" WRs at X or Z.
Anybody else guess that?
Those current 3rd team unlikely cuts are mid round draft picks Goodson and Perkins and FA acquisitions Hall and Johnson.
That's 4 guys for 3 slots IF all the players listed as 1st and 2nd team are kept. So at least 1 guy needs to be cut from the initial 50 and 2 if you want to keep draft pick Adams or a 10th DB (Hall brings the total to 9) or a 4th TE like LaCosse.
From which position groups do you cut?
Obviously OL where 10 are too many, and the only other possibility I see is FB Whitlock.
Which makes 49 "1st & 2nd" team players as listed, which allows Perkins, Goodson, Johnson and Hall to be added without any subtractions.
Keeping LaCosse or a 5th RB or a 9th DL or a 10th DB requires subtraction from the OL and/or Whitlock.
Some folks mentioned possibly carrying only 5 WRs but with Cruz's post injury status and Harris's importance to STs I don't see it.
You may be disappointed when it becomes official
OBJ may yet be asked to do it. Same on KRs too.
It's not always that hard and fast, but I would tend to try and keep the potential future starter who is adequate at specials versus the Herzlich type. And of course, bust the former's ass to be a better ST player now. But we have Quinn so there should be no problem with that.
Also, Berhe probably won't play FS in the NFL, if at all.
Still very early, haven't even played an exhibition game yet, as Marty in Albany said.
Apple will likely be playing mostly outside where he has the boundary to protect him, and a ton less responsibility to process play in and out (search for robbieballs outstanding, detailed posts on the matter).
To Eric's comment I know nada re. Ishaq Williams
And did note McDermott's role in Camp Notes. Did we pick him up as UFA in 2015 and land him on the PS?
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I'd love for our UDFA's and 2nd year "off the PS 2015" to stick as we own their rights for four years and have more cap space over a veteran like Mark Herzlich, B. Stingley, T. Wade, C. Taylor, DT Nix, LB JT Thomas, LB Sheppard, etc.
Not sure how this plays out but I do know the 1st practice, who is practicing where and getting reps with 1st and 2nd team and so forth, should be a bit revealong along with the play in the pre-season game itself. I mean, if Cooper Taylor picks off a pass and hammers a RB at the LOS how can you not move him up the charts? If he gets beat deep or run over, reverse happens. Simple.
SS: L. Collins, N. Behre
FS: D. Thompson, B. Jackson, M. Thompson
Cut: Cooper Taylor, J. Currie, Adams. Maybe Currie makes PS. I like Jackson and Thompson over Taylor due to youth and special teams.
But again, this pre-season game and the practice following (open to public) will be very telling.
Are "closed practices" open at all to writers and such, for certain periods of time? I'm not at all sure but am thinking NO.