@JasonLaCanfora: Several teams calling around looking for TEs. Eagles have been trying to find an inside LB via trade. Things will intensify in few weeks
Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Tye is a nice story and a local, but if we can get a RT, no question I'd trade him.
RE: How would you feel about trading trading Tye instead?
Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Say wut now?
LaCoose was cut by the Giants a year ago. He was among the 1st wave of cuts enough for him to latch on to the Jets training camp.
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LaCosse went undrafted in 2015, but was quickly signed after the draft by the New York Giants. He was competing with Adrien Robinson, Jerome Cunningham, and Will Tye for the last tight end spot on the roster. On August 1, two days into training camp with the team, LaCosse injured his hamstring. Instead of landing on the Giants' injured reserve, they reached an injury settlement with him so that he could become a free agent. On August 24, the New York Jets signed LaCosse to a one-year contract. He was later waived by the Jets before the start of the 2015 season.
Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Say wut now?
LaCoose was cut by the Giants a year ago. He was among the 1st wave of cuts enough for him to latch on to the Jets training camp.
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LaCosse went undrafted in 2015, but was quickly signed after the draft by the New York Giants. He was competing with Adrien Robinson, Jerome Cunningham, and Will Tye for the last tight end spot on the roster. On August 1, two days into training camp with the team, LaCosse injured his hamstring. Instead of landing on the Giants' injured reserve, they reached an injury settlement with him so that he could become a free agent. On August 24, the New York Jets signed LaCosse to a one-year contract. He was later waived by the Jets before the start of the 2015 season.
Way to misunderstand what happened. It takes two to tango. IIRC LaCosse didn't want to go on injured reserve which would prevent him from playing all year... So the team reached the injury waiver settlement with him which in fact landed him on the Jets.
And what happened with Tye before the season started? He was waived/cut outright, and no one claimed him so he could in fact pass to the Giants own PS. They decided on Cunningham over Tye initially. So not only was Tye behind LaCosse (whom I believe the Giants wanted to put on IR to hold onto his rights for the year) but he was also behind Cunningham, who stunk.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I disagree. Donnell has great size but he doesn't have the speed. He sort of plods. And he had some good moments, but I think they've been far outweighed by his bad moments and considering he can't stay on his feet (which is one of the oddest thing I have ever seen) and is constantly bobbling the ball, I don't see how he ever becomes a true TE threat. I'm not in love with Tye either, but I'd rather have Tye than Donnell.
I strongly believe Jerell Adams will be the TE of the future. He's a project (though I think he's more polished than what people give him credit for) and he has the total package: size, speed, hands, blocking, etc.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
No he wasnt. Now can he? Sure. But he was pretty bad last year.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I'm with you. Donnell does something no other player on the team does: make physical, contested grabs in the middle of the back of the end zone.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I'm with you. Donnell does something no other player on the team does: make physical, contested grabs in the middle of the back of the end zone.
Besides the 49ers game, when has he done that? Honest question. My memory is iffy.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I'm with you. Donnell does something no other player on the team does: make physical, contested grabs in the middle of the back of the end zone.
Besides the 49ers game, when has he done that? Honest question. My memory is iffy.
I don't see a trade happening either unless it involves a conditional 2017 draft pick based on how many games the RT starts, plays in or something like that. I mean, you get a 6th or 7th year veteran with 2 more years on his contract or more, knowing he can play better RT than Newhouse game 1, you pull the trigger with Donnell and a conditional 5th, 6th. Easy move by Giants.
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
What's truly comical is that virtually every reporter who covers the Giants notes that Donnell is ahead of Tye on the depth chart - however slightly. The depth chart ITSELF shows Donnell above Tye. Both are having "good" camps, but Donnell is the one reportedly vying for the "most outstanding player of camp"...
Yet the geniuses of BBI insist Tye is the better player!
If you read enough of the info available, and read between the lines a bit, you get the distinct impression that Tye has problems absorbing the entire TE playbook. Which supposedly is one of the most difficult position playbooks on the team to master. And that apparently predates MacAdoo and was part of the reason the team dealt Shockey and loved Boss. Ballard spoke about it as well.
I don't think Tye's (lack of) physical skills are holding him back behind Donnell. It's his lack of mastery of the entire playbook. Tye himself has admitted he's still learning...
Wut? It's his 2nd year on the team and he started already half a season.
LaCosse has received props from his position coach specifically because of his grasp of the playbook, too.
RE: How would you feel about trading trading Tye instead?
Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
What's truly comical is that virtually every reporter who covers the Giants notes that Donnell is ahead of Tye on the depth chart - however slightly. The depth chart ITSELF shows Donnell above Tye. Both are having "good" camps, but Donnell is the one reportedly vying for the "most outstanding player of camp"...
Yet the geniuses of BBI insist Tye is the better player!
If you read enough of the info available, and read between the lines a bit, you get the distinct impression that Tye has problems absorbing the entire TE playbook. Which supposedly is one of the most difficult position playbooks on the team to master. And that apparently predates MacAdoo and was part of the reason the team dealt Shockey and loved Boss. Ballard spoke about it as well.
I don't think Tye's (lack of) physical skills are holding him back behind Donnell. It's his lack of mastery of the entire playbook. Tye himself has admitted he's still learning...
Wut? It's his 2nd year on the team and he started already half a season.
LaCosse has received props from his position coach specifically because of his grasp of the playbook, too.
The problem is I think Donnell regressed last year. I thought he was much better in 2014. Tye, in limited time, deserves to show what he has too. I thought he played better than Donnell last year. I dont think either is much of a blocker so Ill be curious to see if Donnell gets first crack, and if he starts off slow, then Tye will get his chance.
At this point in time there is no reason to believe in Jerrel Adams,
Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
LaCosse beat out Tye?
LaCosse ain't beating out Tye or Donnell. I like the kid but he ain't on their level...at least not yet.
Again, it makes more sense to trade TE Larry Donnell as he is in the last year of his contract. The neck injury may or may not scare someone, depends on the physical and stuff.
Reese has traded during Camp (see B. Wing Punter) so maybe we do it again?
RE: At this point in time there is no reason to believe in Jerrel Adams,
either. Aside from the fact that he was drafted, in comparison to the other guys. Which worked out really well with Adrian Robinson, right?
We simply don't know squat about Adams yet. Let's hope he shows something during the preseason games.
Except what we know about him from seeing him at South Carolina. We already know his blocking is superb (which it is. He REALLY helped Brandon Wilds) and we know he has the speed and the power to be a receiving threat. Now we just need to see him put it all together. I really hope he kicks ass in preseason because I think he's the TE of the future and maybe the not-too-distant one at that.
and the idea that nobody will trade for one of our TEs because they are so bad seem incompatible.
One or two preseason games should help straighten things out and put everyone who wants to do some trading in a better position to do business. There is still plenty of time left.
RE: RE: At this point in time there is no reason to believe in Jerrel Adams,
either. Aside from the fact that he was drafted, in comparison to the other guys. Which worked out really well with Adrian Robinson, right?
We simply don't know squat about Adams yet. Let's hope he shows something during the preseason games.
Except what we know about him from seeing him at South Carolina. We already know his blocking is superb (which it is. He REALLY helped Brandon Wilds) and we know he has the speed and the power to be a receiving threat. Now we just need to see him put it all together. I really hope he kicks ass in preseason because I think he's the TE of the future and maybe the not-too-distant one at that.
If you read the camp reports, they basically say he has physical tools but has a "lot to learn" about NFL TE. I take that as he is raw, needs a year of seasoning and off-season of learning.
If you try and hide Adams on the practice squad you likely lose him. The Giants have some good TE's and if a team really is looking for a TE we really only have two with a body of work large enough to get a trade done: W. Tye or L. Donnell. For the right player and/or draft picks, either could of course go in a trade but it has to be a trade where the Giants clearly "got the better of the deal" for Reese to pull the trigger.
Now, would we go 5 deep at TE like the Packers did in McAdoo's day with them, circa 2011 I believe? Maybe...
TE: Donnell, Tye, Lacosse, Adams, Johnson PS: Mallek (a lock for PS and may move to active roster during season if injury hits cause he can block).
If you trade Donnell, the elder statesman, I think you have more left to build on for the future.
you should be leery of Tye, if what I suspect is correct.
But I absolutely agree that is what preseason is for.
Pay attention to the variety of things Tye is asked to do when he plays.
I do worry about Tye's size, which is why I don't think he'll ever be an inline TE. He seems more of an H-Back out of the backfield (like Will Johnson). However, as we've seen, an H-Back is very useful. Look at Charles Clay
I simply think Adams and LaCosse are the future #1 and #2 TEs of this team, respectively. I think both have the potential to be much better than Donnell with Adams providing the possibility of being a complete TE (speed, size, power, hands, blocking...).
Why are two rookies, Shepard and D. Thompson, already projected as starters?
Why is Eli Apple, a physically stronger and tougher player than DRC, working almost exclusively at outside corner rather than the slot, while the less physical DRC is getting quite a few reps at the slot?
Why are Brinkley and K. Sheppard (both fairly clearly "2 down players") ahead of the apparently more agile BJ Goodson at Mike?
Why isn't Jerrel Adams making waves and moving up the depth chart at TE? Are any of the guys ahead of him pro bowl candidates?
Playbook, fellas. You can't play if you don't know the playbook.
Unless of course there is no one else, as was the case for Tye last year.
Why are two rookies, Shepard and D. Thompson, already projected as starters?
Why is Eli Apple, a physically stronger and tougher player than DRC, working almost exclusively at outside corner rather than the slot, while the less physical DRC is getting quite a few reps at the slot?
Why are Brinkley and K. Sheppard (both fairly clearly "2 down players") ahead of the apparently more agile BJ Goodson at Mike?
Why isn't Jerrel Adams making waves and moving up the depth chart at TE? Are any of the guys ahead of him pro bowl candidates?
Playbook, fellas. You can't play if you don't know the playbook.
Unless of course there is no one else, as was the case for Tye last year.
play-book is true, you must execute. But Tye played well and I think when the dust settles he will be the #1 TE.
What do you really expect to get out of a deal for any of our TE's?
Donnell is coming off a neck injury, I don't see us getting much of a return for what we have outside of Tye. Lacosse and Adams are both unproven commodities, they'd have to blow up during preseason.
But we don't have any way to know who will be made available, no one is out there at ILB. As far as RT I would like to see continued aggressiveness this offseason but a RT for Donnell? I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Jets got a good deal for Clady, can't go back now can we?
But we don't have any way to know who will be made available, no one is out there at ILB. As far as RT I would like to see continued aggressiveness this offseason but a RT for Donnell? I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Jets got a good deal for Clady, can't go back now can we?
More like a quality RT for TE Donnell AND a conditional draft pick.
As for the Jets, if Clady stays healthy for the next two years and plays up to his capabilities, they got their money's worth for sure. Solid player when healthy, wanted him more than Okung.
An UDFA who only participated in one training camp session already beat out a player before a preseason game was played?
SMH
Beat out is too strong a word. Leave it at preferred. Point remains, barring injuries, Tye was a PS guy last year not more. And you still haven't answered why he's behind Donnell on the depth chart...
An UDFA who only participated in one training camp session already beat out a player before a preseason game was played?
SMH
Beat out is too strong a word. Leave it at preferred. Point remains, barring injuries, Tye was a PS guy last year not more. And you still haven't answered why he's behind Donnell on the depth chart...
?? Donnell was the starter last year and the year before. He had a near career threatening injury. He has returned to the roster. Are you seriously asking why a healthy starter who is still on the roster is ahead of another player on an unofficial depth chart in training camp?
There's a team out there looking at out TE's. They must be in 'dire staits'!
Stan a RT for one of these? If we get a conditional high pick then we've robbed the bank. If we were able to trade either Donnell or Tye it would make it easier to keep the other 3. The one left Donnell or Tye, LaCross and Adams. With Johnson as the fullback.
David in LA is right, who would trade for a guy off neck surgery who cant' stay on his feet or an unproven feel good story? You can get guys like that on waivers.
Today is a team strength for the Gians many may not want to believe it but it is. Donnell is the guy which makes the most sense to move for a conditional pick you starrt with a 6th and depending on his production you go on from there. He has the best tools and production from all of our TE's but age and contract situation hurt somewhat. The injury situation is void he will have to pass a physical so that's not a trade stopper if a team is really looking for a plug and play TE.
Tye is the guy with the special skills set except heigth and just needs reps to bcome even better than Donnell he can stay on his feet once he catches the ball. By years end either LaCosse, Johnson or Adams should provide a second option but this is a WR based offense going forward. The key in any trade is to trade from your strength and the other teams weakness and right now TE's is a strength for this team. The idea about a RT is hard to see bcause that's not a position of strength on almost all NFL rosters and very difficult to find a trade partner match.
MLB is also a team strength you are not going to get much so a conditional draft pick is about your best option. This however is a position that we can wait a few weeks and see who is desperate due to injury or other concerns.
Gymnastics I think he is a pretty good red zone threat .
He can make some tough catches and has done it in crunch
time . I think Tye is a bit overrated and MAY have
overachieved last year I am not knocking him or dislike
him . Donnell is the Last TE I would consider trading and I do understand there is not much trade-ability from our group
that leaves Tye who did come on late and tallied plenty
of catches . I could see his PT reduced as the season
wears on to LaCosse . Who has the better build to be a
threat down the seam as does Larry D .
I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
What's truly comical is that virtually every reporter who covers the Giants notes that Donnell is ahead of Tye on the depth chart - however slightly. The depth chart ITSELF shows Donnell above Tye. Both are having "good" camps, but Donnell is the one reportedly vying for the "most outstanding player of camp"...
Yet the geniuses of BBI insist Tye is the better player!
If you read enough of the info available, and read between the lines a bit, you get the distinct impression that Tye has problems absorbing the entire TE playbook. Which supposedly is one of the most difficult position playbooks on the team to master. And that apparently predates MacAdoo and was part of the reason the team dealt Shockey and loved Boss. Ballard spoke about it as well.
I don't think Tye's (lack of) physical skills are holding him back behind Donnell. It's his lack of mastery of the entire playbook. Tye himself has admitted he's still learning...
Wut? It's his 2nd year on the team and he started already half a season.
LaCosse has received props from his position coach specifically because of his grasp of the playbook, too.
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We all have to seriously disregard the depth chart at this moment. It has been well documented that the chart released is unofficial. It was made by the Giants pr team,not the coaches.
The folks who like Donnell always ignore one thing
He a very good pass catcher and that's it. Can't block, has ball control issues, little YAC, no ST. He's a liability at the end of the line and the idea of him playing H-back or FB is not appealing. He's a "move" TE and little else. Now, maybe that's the best we have but if so, it's going to hurt.
Also willing to trade for every other position they are lacking in
Come on now guys this isn't news or a new development. It is business as usual and doesn't help us. We don't have a TE to trade because you need at least two and we have 1 1/2. Trading guys with little to no experience will at best get you a bag of nuts.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Tye is a nice story and a local, but if we can get a RT, no question I'd trade him.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Say wut now?
LaCoose was cut by the Giants a year ago. He was among the 1st wave of cuts enough for him to latch on to the Jets training camp.
As for trading TE Larry Donnell, along with a conditional draft pick, for a starting RT, yeah I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I think TE W. Tye has more upside than any TE on our roster so he isn't going anywhere. TE Tye, Johnson, LaCosse and Adams. New RT. Oh my....
Larry Donnell is the Ian Allen of TEs
Meaning he can't stay on his feet
What if we throw in John Jerry? Aha!
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Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
Say wut now?
LaCoose was cut by the Giants a year ago. He was among the 1st wave of cuts enough for him to latch on to the Jets training camp.
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LaCosse went undrafted in 2015, but was quickly signed after the draft by the New York Giants. He was competing with Adrien Robinson, Jerome Cunningham, and Will Tye for the last tight end spot on the roster. On August 1, two days into training camp with the team, LaCosse injured his hamstring. Instead of landing on the Giants' injured reserve, they reached an injury settlement with him so that he could become a free agent. On August 24, the New York Jets signed LaCosse to a one-year contract. He was later waived by the Jets before the start of the 2015 season.
Way to misunderstand what happened. It takes two to tango. IIRC LaCosse didn't want to go on injured reserve which would prevent him from playing all year... So the team reached the injury waiver settlement with him which in fact landed him on the Jets.
And what happened with Tye before the season started? He was waived/cut outright, and no one claimed him so he could in fact pass to the Giants own PS. They decided on Cunningham over Tye initially. So not only was Tye behind LaCosse (whom I believe the Giants wanted to put on IR to hold onto his rights for the year) but he was also behind Cunningham, who stunk.
I disagree. Donnell has great size but he doesn't have the speed. He sort of plods. And he had some good moments, but I think they've been far outweighed by his bad moments and considering he can't stay on his feet (which is one of the oddest thing I have ever seen) and is constantly bobbling the ball, I don't see how he ever becomes a true TE threat. I'm not in love with Tye either, but I'd rather have Tye than Donnell.
I strongly believe Jerell Adams will be the TE of the future. He's a project (though I think he's more polished than what people give him credit for) and he has the total package: size, speed, hands, blocking, etc.
No he wasnt. Now can he? Sure. But he was pretty bad last year.
I'm with you. Donnell does something no other player on the team does: make physical, contested grabs in the middle of the back of the end zone.
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I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I'm with you. Donnell does something no other player on the team does: make physical, contested grabs in the middle of the back of the end zone.
Besides the 49ers game, when has he done that? Honest question. My memory is iffy.
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I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
I'm with you. Donnell does something no other player on the team does: make physical, contested grabs in the middle of the back of the end zone.
Besides the 49ers game, when has he done that? Honest question. My memory is iffy.
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What's truly comical is that virtually every reporter who covers the Giants notes that Donnell is ahead of Tye on the depth chart - however slightly. The depth chart ITSELF shows Donnell above Tye. Both are having "good" camps, but Donnell is the one reportedly vying for the "most outstanding player of camp"...
Yet the geniuses of BBI insist Tye is the better player!
If you read enough of the info available, and read between the lines a bit, you get the distinct impression that Tye has problems absorbing the entire TE playbook. Which supposedly is one of the most difficult position playbooks on the team to master. And that apparently predates MacAdoo and was part of the reason the team dealt Shockey and loved Boss. Ballard spoke about it as well.
I don't think Tye's (lack of) physical skills are holding him back behind Donnell. It's his lack of mastery of the entire playbook. Tye himself has admitted he's still learning...
Wut? It's his 2nd year on the team and he started already half a season.
LaCosse has received props from his position coach specifically because of his grasp of the playbook, too.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
LaCosse beat out Tye?
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I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
What's truly comical is that virtually every reporter who covers the Giants notes that Donnell is ahead of Tye on the depth chart - however slightly. The depth chart ITSELF shows Donnell above Tye. Both are having "good" camps, but Donnell is the one reportedly vying for the "most outstanding player of camp"...
Yet the geniuses of BBI insist Tye is the better player!
If you read enough of the info available, and read between the lines a bit, you get the distinct impression that Tye has problems absorbing the entire TE playbook. Which supposedly is one of the most difficult position playbooks on the team to master. And that apparently predates MacAdoo and was part of the reason the team dealt Shockey and loved Boss. Ballard spoke about it as well.
I don't think Tye's (lack of) physical skills are holding him back behind Donnell. It's his lack of mastery of the entire playbook. Tye himself has admitted he's still learning...
Wut? It's his 2nd year on the team and he started already half a season.
LaCosse has received props from his position coach specifically because of his grasp of the playbook, too.
The problem is I think Donnell regressed last year. I thought he was much better in 2014. Tye, in limited time, deserves to show what he has too. I thought he played better than Donnell last year. I dont think either is much of a blocker so Ill be curious to see if Donnell gets first crack, and if he starts off slow, then Tye will get his chance.
We simply don't know squat about Adams yet. Let's hope he shows something during the preseason games.
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Because, you know, he's not actually our defacto starter. And a guy coming off a neck vertebrae injury isn't going to be clamored for.
Tye probably holds more value to any team looking, and less value to the Giants if they prefer to roll with LaCosse who had beat out Tye last year and Adams for his future potential...
LaCosse beat out Tye?
Again, it makes more sense to trade TE Larry Donnell as he is in the last year of his contract. The neck injury may or may not scare someone, depends on the physical and stuff.
Reese has traded during Camp (see B. Wing Punter) so maybe we do it again?
We simply don't know squat about Adams yet. Let's hope he shows something during the preseason games.
Except what we know about him from seeing him at South Carolina. We already know his blocking is superb (which it is. He REALLY helped Brandon Wilds) and we know he has the speed and the power to be a receiving threat. Now we just need to see him put it all together. I really hope he kicks ass in preseason because I think he's the TE of the future and maybe the not-too-distant one at that.
But I absolutely agree that is what preseason is for.
Pay attention to the variety of things Tye is asked to do when he plays.
One or two preseason games should help straighten things out and put everyone who wants to do some trading in a better position to do business. There is still plenty of time left.
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either. Aside from the fact that he was drafted, in comparison to the other guys. Which worked out really well with Adrian Robinson, right?
We simply don't know squat about Adams yet. Let's hope he shows something during the preseason games.
Except what we know about him from seeing him at South Carolina. We already know his blocking is superb (which it is. He REALLY helped Brandon Wilds) and we know he has the speed and the power to be a receiving threat. Now we just need to see him put it all together. I really hope he kicks ass in preseason because I think he's the TE of the future and maybe the not-too-distant one at that.
If you try and hide Adams on the practice squad you likely lose him. The Giants have some good TE's and if a team really is looking for a TE we really only have two with a body of work large enough to get a trade done: W. Tye or L. Donnell. For the right player and/or draft picks, either could of course go in a trade but it has to be a trade where the Giants clearly "got the better of the deal" for Reese to pull the trigger.
Now, would we go 5 deep at TE like the Packers did in McAdoo's day with them, circa 2011 I believe? Maybe...
TE: Donnell, Tye, Lacosse, Adams, Johnson PS: Mallek (a lock for PS and may move to active roster during season if injury hits cause he can block).
If you trade Donnell, the elder statesman, I think you have more left to build on for the future.
But I absolutely agree that is what preseason is for.
Pay attention to the variety of things Tye is asked to do when he plays.
I do worry about Tye's size, which is why I don't think he'll ever be an inline TE. He seems more of an H-Back out of the backfield (like Will Johnson). However, as we've seen, an H-Back is very useful. Look at Charles Clay
I simply think Adams and LaCosse are the future #1 and #2 TEs of this team, respectively. I think both have the potential to be much better than Donnell with Adams providing the possibility of being a complete TE (speed, size, power, hands, blocking...).
Why is Eli Apple, a physically stronger and tougher player than DRC, working almost exclusively at outside corner rather than the slot, while the less physical DRC is getting quite a few reps at the slot?
Why are Brinkley and K. Sheppard (both fairly clearly "2 down players") ahead of the apparently more agile BJ Goodson at Mike?
Why isn't Jerrel Adams making waves and moving up the depth chart at TE? Are any of the guys ahead of him pro bowl candidates?
Playbook, fellas. You can't play if you don't know the playbook.
Unless of course there is no one else, as was the case for Tye last year.
Why is Eli Apple, a physically stronger and tougher player than DRC, working almost exclusively at outside corner rather than the slot, while the less physical DRC is getting quite a few reps at the slot?
Why are Brinkley and K. Sheppard (both fairly clearly "2 down players") ahead of the apparently more agile BJ Goodson at Mike?
Why isn't Jerrel Adams making waves and moving up the depth chart at TE? Are any of the guys ahead of him pro bowl candidates?
Playbook, fellas. You can't play if you don't know the playbook.
Unless of course there is no one else, as was the case for Tye last year.
Case closed....
Case closed....
As for the Jets, if Clady stays healthy for the next two years and plays up to his capabilities, they got their money's worth for sure. Solid player when healthy, wanted him more than Okung.
An UDFA who only participated in one training camp session already beat out a player before a preseason game was played?
SMH
An UDFA who only participated in one training camp session already beat out a player before a preseason game was played?
SMH
Beat out is too strong a word. Leave it at preferred. Point remains, barring injuries, Tye was a PS guy last year not more. And you still haven't answered why he's behind Donnell on the depth chart...
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This still hasn't been answered yet.
An UDFA who only participated in one training camp session already beat out a player before a preseason game was played?
SMH
Beat out is too strong a word. Leave it at preferred. Point remains, barring injuries, Tye was a PS guy last year not more. And you still haven't answered why he's behind Donnell on the depth chart...
?? Donnell was the starter last year and the year before. He had a near career threatening injury. He has returned to the roster. Are you seriously asking why a healthy starter who is still on the roster is ahead of another player on an unofficial depth chart in training camp?
Stan a RT for one of these? If we get a conditional high pick then we've robbed the bank. If we were able to trade either Donnell or Tye it would make it easier to keep the other 3. The one left Donnell or Tye, LaCross and Adams. With Johnson as the fullback.
Lots of IF'S.
Besides the 49ers game, when has he done that? Honest question. My memory is iffy.
Redskins 2014.
Yeah...three TD catches against Washington...six for the year...none in the last twelve games of the season.
Agreed.
Agreed. They are a sorry lot.
David in LA is right, who would trade for a guy off neck surgery who cant' stay on his feet or an unproven feel good story? You can get guys like that on waivers.
I agree with Marty, the first 2 exhibition games will give us a good idea of what we have.
Tye is the guy with the special skills set except heigth and just needs reps to bcome even better than Donnell he can stay on his feet once he catches the ball. By years end either LaCosse, Johnson or Adams should provide a second option but this is a WR based offense going forward. The key in any trade is to trade from your strength and the other teams weakness and right now TE's is a strength for this team. The idea about a RT is hard to see bcause that's not a position of strength on almost all NFL rosters and very difficult to find a trade partner match.
MLB is also a team strength you are not going to get much so a conditional draft pick is about your best option. This however is a position that we can wait a few weeks and see who is desperate due to injury or other concerns.
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He can make some tough catches and has done it in crunch
time . I think Tye is a bit overrated and MAY have
overachieved last year I am not knocking him or dislike
him . Donnell is the Last TE I would consider trading and I do understand there is not much trade-ability from our group
that leaves Tye who did come on late and tallied plenty
of catches . I could see his PT reduced as the season
wears on to LaCosse . Who has the better build to be a
threat down the seam as does Larry D .
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I think Donnell is the most underrated player on the offense and Tye may be the most overrated. Donnell has the size and speed to get down the field. He was making plays before he went down.
What's truly comical is that virtually every reporter who covers the Giants notes that Donnell is ahead of Tye on the depth chart - however slightly. The depth chart ITSELF shows Donnell above Tye. Both are having "good" camps, but Donnell is the one reportedly vying for the "most outstanding player of camp"...
Yet the geniuses of BBI insist Tye is the better player!
If you read enough of the info available, and read between the lines a bit, you get the distinct impression that Tye has problems absorbing the entire TE playbook. Which supposedly is one of the most difficult position playbooks on the team to master. And that apparently predates MacAdoo and was part of the reason the team dealt Shockey and loved Boss. Ballard spoke about it as well.
I don't think Tye's (lack of) physical skills are holding him back behind Donnell. It's his lack of mastery of the entire playbook. Tye himself has admitted he's still learning...
Wut? It's his 2nd year on the team and he started already half a season.
LaCosse has received props from his position coach specifically because of his grasp of the playbook, too.
We all have to seriously disregard the depth chart at this moment. It has been well documented that the chart released is unofficial. It was made by the Giants pr team,not the coaches.