6'2'' 220
24 years old
2nd year (6th round pick)
The guy has been doing well in camp by most accounts. He's getting consistent first team reps. He's making touchdown catches in practice. He's listed as the third receiver on the depth chart.
With the Cruz meltdown going on elsewhere on BBI, I was wondering if anyone even had Davis on their radar as a potential impact player. I know when I think of newer receivers (other than Shepard), I tend to gravitate toward Lewis and King as potential impact WRs that weren't big on the team (or even on the team) last year.
That said, I find myself potentially missing something in ignoring Davis' potential. He's a much bigger receiver than the other guys who are on the depth chart. 20 pounds and a couple inches can have a huge impact, especially in the red zone.
Taking all that into account and disregarding the usual shtick that goes around here - 'he hasn't shown anything on the field'/'wait for the season/preseason reps to start before praising anyone or considering their impact' - what do you guys think Davis' impact could be in the short term of the first few games of the year?
Is he on your radar?
Based on the type of player he is, do you see him as potentially the third guy? a guy who may get 4-5 targets a game?
Given his build, do you think he offers a different type of target for Eli? And is that a value in itself? Does he complement the offense?
He SHOULD be a good blocking WR too, something that largely goes unnoticed.
And that would be enough IMO as a #3.
Not every #3 is Mario Manningham, and very few 6th round WRs become Antonio Brown.
Bottomline is that it doesn't matter how good he looks to us when he's making plays in camp and the preseason games, what matters is how many mental mistakes he is making. And only the coaches are aware of that, so we can only cross our fingers and hope. We already know he has the physical tools from what we saw last preseason.
Him being the third WR doesn't mean anything right now.
Bottomline is that it doesn't matter how good he looks to us when he's making plays in camp and the preseason games, what matters is how many mental mistakes he is making. And only the coaches are aware of that, so we can only cross our fingers and hope. We already know he has the physical tools from what we saw last preseason.
IIRC Eli's praise of Davis this offseason has been about Davis knowing his assignments. I'm not expecting a 1,000 yard receiver this year, but I think him and Dwayne Harris combined will give us the production of a very good starting WR. I think he's going to turn out to be a good player for us, and if we get good contributions from Odi, Kennard, Behre, and Hart, the perception is going to change about Jerry Reese's whiffs in rounds 3 and on.
Yup. I'll add "competent role-player," just for the hell of it.
It's hard to tell which way to place your bet. He was widely panned when selected as a low round pick, and he followed it up by being largely invisible. But, he made the team last year, and he has gotten some accolades this camp, so maybe he's stepping it up a notch.
SS is a rookie, that may take time, to get into the flow of this game, especially in clutch situations......communication between him and Eli only comes with experience together...
Harris can be used in a pinch as a starter, but is really a #4.....
Cruz was a question mark before the groin issue.....many have said that the Giants should not be counting on him, but rather look at him as a bonus if he makes the roster...
After that, you have Myles and Geremy, who basically did nothing of note last season, and have to show much more in preseason games...as for the rest, they are wannabees....it's quite possible, one of them breaks out of the pack, but I wouldn't be surprised if none of them did....
I am really pulling for Cruz to get out there, and be an effective option for Eli...this will take some of the pressure off of SS......If we get SS on the right side of the learning curve, if Cruz plays, if Perkins becomes a big contributor in the running/passing game, and our TE's stay healthy, this is an offense to be reckoned with....
The Cruz situation, makes Reese possibly having to keep an extra WR on the roster, just in case....
he made a great catch last year on 4th and 1 to extend a drive early in the season and never saw the field much again, while we cont'd to trot out RR (typical Coughlin IMO).
this staff will not hesitate to play young players if they can help, and Davis is a better football player than Rueben Randle
Davis may eventually turn into a more productive pro than Randle, but declaring him the better of the two right now constitutes little more than throwing BS at the wall and hoping something sticks so you can declare yourself vindicated. In this case you're going even farther: claiming vindication before the first meaningful snap of 2016.
Davis may eventually turn into a more productive pro than Randle, but declaring him the better of the two right now constitutes little more than throwing BS at the wall and hoping something sticks so you can declare yourself vindicated. In this case you're going even farther: claiming vindication before the first meaningful snap of 2016.
You're not a particular fan of Coughlin? Oh, ok...Certainly your right
Not sure people are fully grasping that yet.
Aside from taking advantage of his size/strength advantage, he needs to have rebounding talent, precise route running ability, and coordination with Ely to be consistent. Good hands and lack of alligator arms are essentials.
We will see how much he has progressed from last year in the next few games.
but he can get open deep on occasion . Really can go up
for the ball . He is solidly built so he can take some
punishment .
Coaches says he is a quick learner and a hard worker who
pays attention in class . That in itself makes me think
he can be equally if not better than Ruben Randle in terms
of less mistakes and having his heart and head in the game .
Can't wait till friday to see if he can get the ball .
The upside: strong hands, catches virtually everything within reach, high character, great teammate
The downside: had trouble getting separation from faster DBs
I personally think he's going to be good. I would never ever compare him to Randle who was a lazy route runner and had a tendency to drop passes that other receivers would catch.
Davis gives 100% every single play, listens to his coaches always wanting to learn every little nuance of the game, extremely hard worker, encourages his teammates, and doesn't drop passes.
That's true, in the same way that Tavarres King is having a good camp this year.
However, the praise for Davis last year was never as effusive as it has been this year, beginning in the spring with Eli's unsolicited comment about him:
My understanding is that he needed to minimize the gear down into cuts.
He probably also needs to learn how to use that body just short of penalties. When is is push-off not an illegal push-off when your name is not Michael Irvin?
I'm probably in the middle of the fanbase with regard to Coughlin. I think he gets too much credit from some fans for the two titles, and too much blame from others for the seasons that went south.
he made a great catch last year on 4th and 1 to extend a drive early in the season and never saw the field much again, while we cont'd to trot out RR (typical Coughlin IMO).
this staff will not hesitate to play young players if they can help, and Davis is a better football player than Rueben Randle
No, you're given shit on this message board because you're completely full of it.
Dayyyyyum. Not too shabby. I'd take that in a heartbeat, because you're talking maybe 45-60-ish catches.
I don't recall Moss having any great training camps...certainly not in his rookie year, 2006, when he suffered a quad injury and missed camp altogether. It seemed to me that he was always getting eclipsed on the depth chart by a rookie WR...first Steve Smith, then Mario Manningham, then Hakeem Nicks...and Domenik Hixon took the return job from him, too.
Davis, on the other hand, has already eclipsed Dwayne Harris, for now. Davis has been consistently lining up with the ones in place of Cruz, and doing well. Seems to me the Giants would like to use Harris more on special teams and less at WR...which is very good for Davis, and, hopefully, for the Giants, too.
secondly, Area, no intention to add to the personal insults, but quietly and just for your personal reflection ( if I could communicate via some other means I would...no desire to pick on you about this) as to what gets you in the thinking trouble of skipping steps from factoid fragment to overarching conclusion and then being surprised when folks think its BS.
Lets break down one thing you said ( we could do this with several aspects of the post):
1) Compared Davis to Randle ( unnecessary and opened you up to defend two thesis and extend the comparison you set up).
2) Implied that Davis was really as good an option as Randle last year ( no data from Davis to even use as a baseline for this contention)
3) Implied the list of attributes of Davis ( since there is no data there can only be "attributes") that you listed were enough to make it obvious he was the choice ( as if Randle did not also have "attributes")
4) your argumentation next extended that it was obvious that the reason the obvious was circumvented was that TC ruled against the obvious.
OK...now lets really deconstruct this branch of the argument which is already far from solidly and see what leaps you made:
For that to happen ( Randle over the better choice) the following would have had to happen last year:
The WR coach would have had to say that Davis was obviously better
the QB coach would have had to say Davis was obviously better choice
Eli would have had to say Davis was obviously the better choice
MacAddo would have had to say Davis was obviously the better choice
Then TC would have ignored all that
Then Jerry or some other Fo personnel folks would have asked the team coaching staff how can we improve? Ditto John Mara? Hey Tom, what do you guys think at the break is the best way to get to the season end goals?
Once again, TC would have had to over rule all other input and questions
Then as each game was played, again the answer all the way to the end would have been...play Randle even though its obvious that Davis is better or even is going to be better.
Now thats what you asked folks to agree with (1) the conclusion and 2) its obviousness and 3) that TC was the obvious reason 4) that the obvious was ignored).
Even without any prior posting exuberance...thats a bridge too far.
There are many ways this may happen inside your mind. one of them is leaping to a gut based "wished for outcome". Ok. thats fine...we all do that. That would result in a post saying "I sure hope Davis is a big part of the team this year" that all us fans hope for.
Not labeling it as such and instead making labored "i told you so first" ( do you care about the past? and the opinions of other posters" or do you not?...you say one and act the other) as well as trying to make it an opinion made by a very good football analyst with a lot of football and football team insights gets you in trouble.
Area...you are not priveledged to the knowledge needed to assert much of what you said ( "I was there and i saw all the other opinions from guys who wanted to win and knew what to do and I also saw TC overrule them")
or I was inside the FO thinking of SF and although priveledged that way...it does not affect my insider status to report what i know ahead of the decision only 3 to 4 people could have posted as factual
This is magical thinking. I have seen you post about the thoughts and feelings of people on the field which you only could have known if you could peer through the tv...through 2000 miles...then through the helmets and then past the skulls and into the sequence of neurons and then given us an authoritative fact based glimpse into emotions during a game of all things and the reaction of other people on the team to that emotion of one player.
In other words you could simultanelously peer through the TV into miles, helmets, skulls and emotions and the response of others.
Your conclusions, presented as obvious and fact centered were so easy to present as "your feelings as you watch"
then others would have said " I feel the same thing"
instead you self nominated to an impossible island and tried to defend it
Feelings are not thinking. Feelings are not authoritative sources of anything but more feelings.
hope that helps
To follow on this, Hixon was a hell of an athlete. He had great agility and speed enough to be a return man. That's definitely not Davis.
If the OL can keep it together this offense can be as good as any in the NFL.
you also said this
Rumor: 49ers Close to Trading RT Anthony Davis?
area junc : 5/2/2016 12:26 pm
allegedly they're looking for a 2017 conditional 3rd...Deal to be announced shortly.....
He wasn't a good punt and kick returner - he was great at it, however briefly. Example linked.
Hixon punt return TD vs Dallas - ( New Window )
And this gem
Beatty is pretty much ready
area junc : 9/26/2015 10:12 am : link
He'll b back in the lineup week 6 with Flowers over to RT.
Which was great considering Beatty couldn't have come off PUP for week 6 and he never played a down all year.
More work from the great insider! - ( New Window )
Its cringe worthy to watch.
Its so easy to avoid. Just call it what it is...emotions of a fan:
As a fan. "when I watch, or read xxx, I feel as if...
or
"I wonder if...?"
or
"i hope anthony davis will be a Giant very soon. I see some signs that might mean it may happen"
Done. A positive contributor ( since area does not attack other posters unless he gets a lot of grief and is not nasty or racist and he does post on football topics and he clearly is a Giants fan).
Whats so hard about that?
Best to pose as an insider with girls anyway. " come up to my room so we can see if we would have fun in the owners field box during the next night game"
Next time I go to Frisco...now thats an owners box. You would like Frisco. I always stay at the Cliff House. Know the bartender at the Redwood Room.
Bs when and where it counts. better odds than on here
He SHOULD be a good blocking WR too, something that largely goes unnoticed.
And that would be enough IMO as a #3.
Not every #3 is Mario Manningham, and very few 6th round WRs become Antonio Brown.
A WR more consistent than Randle who gives Randle's production is a really good player. 797 yards and 8 TDs last year. 938 yards and 3 TDs the year before.
That's too optimistic to be "most likely". Most likely is that he's a 4th, 5th, or 6th WR.
but hopefully with fewer targets and more reliable effort and route running. In other words, a possession receiver with perhaps more red zone utility.
He SHOULD be a good blocking WR too, something that largely goes unnoticed.
And that would be enough IMO as a #3.
Not every #3 is Mario Manningham, and very few 6th round WRs become Antonio Brown.
A WR more consistent than Randle who gives Randle's production is a really good player. 797 yards and 8 TDs last year. 938 yards and 3 TDs the year before.
That's too optimistic to be "most likely". Most likely is that he's a 4th, 5th, or 6th WR.
Not too optimistic if you go back to what Randle accomplished his 2nd year in the league which is what I was suggesting, if only implicitly, because it is Davis's year 2 too...
41/611/6 - which fits my team model as well if Davis is the Giants' #3 WR this year...