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Geremy Davis - Impact Player?

adamg : 8/10/2016 2:45 am
6'2'' 220
24 years old
2nd year (6th round pick)

The guy has been doing well in camp by most accounts. He's getting consistent first team reps. He's making touchdown catches in practice. He's listed as the third receiver on the depth chart.

With the Cruz meltdown going on elsewhere on BBI, I was wondering if anyone even had Davis on their radar as a potential impact player. I know when I think of newer receivers (other than Shepard), I tend to gravitate toward Lewis and King as potential impact WRs that weren't big on the team (or even on the team) last year.

That said, I find myself potentially missing something in ignoring Davis' potential. He's a much bigger receiver than the other guys who are on the depth chart. 20 pounds and a couple inches can have a huge impact, especially in the red zone.

Taking all that into account and disregarding the usual shtick that goes around here - 'he hasn't shown anything on the field'/'wait for the season/preseason reps to start before praising anyone or considering their impact' - what do you guys think Davis' impact could be in the short term of the first few games of the year?

Is he on your radar?

Based on the type of player he is, do you see him as potentially the third guy? a guy who may get 4-5 targets a game?

Given his build, do you think he offers a different type of target for Eli? And is that a value in itself? Does he complement the offense?
Most likely Reuben Randle type production  
BlueLou : 8/10/2016 3:12 am : link
but hopefully with fewer targets and more reliable effort and route running. In other words, a possession receiver with perhaps more red zone utility.

He SHOULD be a good blocking WR too, something that largely goes unnoticed.

And that would be enough IMO as a #3.

Not every #3 is Mario Manningham, and very few 6th round WRs become Antonio Brown.
A lot depends on Cruz's recovery  
Ira : 8/10/2016 3:19 am : link
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Of course he's on the radar  
Milton : 8/10/2016 3:45 am : link
He was a draft pick last year and his size/speed combo would be an excellent complement to OBJ, Cruz, and Shepard, who are all 6 feet or less. But he looked good last preseason and then was a no-show during the season despite the glaring need. So you have to take that into consideration when you hear about him making plays in training camp this year. It's not uncommon for young receivers (Barden, Douglas, Washington, etc.) to look impressive in training camp and the preseason, but disappear from the equation once the real bullets are flying.

Bottomline is that it doesn't matter how good he looks to us when he's making plays in camp and the preseason games, what matters is how many mental mistakes he is making. And only the coaches are aware of that, so we can only cross our fingers and hope. We already know he has the physical tools from what we saw last preseason.
The depth chart  
TyFromQueens : 8/10/2016 4:22 am : link
Is unofficial. It was put together by the Pr team.

Him being the third WR doesn't mean anything right now.

RE: Of course he's on the radar  
David in LA : 8/10/2016 4:50 am : link
In comment 13064207 Milton said:
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He was a draft pick last year and his size/speed combo would be an excellent complement to OBJ, Cruz, and Shepard, who are all 6 feet or less. But he looked good last preseason and then was a no-show during the season despite the glaring need. So you have to take that into consideration when you hear about him making plays in training camp this year. It's not uncommon for young receivers (Barden, Douglas, Washington, etc.) to look impressive in training camp and the preseason, but disappear from the equation once the real bullets are flying.

Bottomline is that it doesn't matter how good he looks to us when he's making plays in camp and the preseason games, what matters is how many mental mistakes he is making. And only the coaches are aware of that, so we can only cross our fingers and hope. We already know he has the physical tools from what we saw last preseason.


IIRC Eli's praise of Davis this offseason has been about Davis knowing his assignments. I'm not expecting a 1,000 yard receiver this year, but I think him and Dwayne Harris combined will give us the production of a very good starting WR. I think he's going to turn out to be a good player for us, and if we get good contributions from Odi, Kennard, Behre, and Hart, the perception is going to change about Jerry Reese's whiffs in rounds 3 and on.
'Impact Player' is a lot to ask.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/10/2016 4:59 am : link
'Effective complement' and 'valuable contributor' are probably the realistic targets for Davis - and for the receivers with whom he is competing.
The thing about late round picks and undrafted free agents is,  
Ira : 8/10/2016 6:09 am : link
that you never know which one is going to step up and contribute during the season. Last year, it was Tye. A number of years ago, it was Cruz. This year, maybe it will be Davis or Hart or someone else or no one. We look for signs during training camp, but until the games start to count, we don't know for sure.
RE: 'Impact Player' is a lot to ask.  
UberAlias : 8/10/2016 7:53 am : link
In comment 13064211 Big Blue Blogger said:
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'Effective complement' and 'valuable contributor' are probably the realistic targets for Davis - and for the receivers with whom he is competing.
. Agreed.
RE: 'Impact Player' is a lot to ask.  
Klaatu : 8/10/2016 7:57 am : link
In comment 13064211 Big Blue Blogger said:
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'Effective complement' and 'valuable contributor' are probably the realistic targets for Davis - and for the receivers with whom he is competing.


Yup. I'll add "competent role-player," just for the hell of it.
We'll  
AcidTest : 8/10/2016 8:26 am : link
know more about Davis after this season. Until then, we really don't know anything. But he was inactive for the last six games of the season IIRC, and while Nicks was activated less than two weeks after joining the team.
what BBB and Klaatu said  
fkap : 8/10/2016 8:40 am : link
if you can get a reasonably solid contribution out of him, that's a good outcome. If he's another Moss or Barden, simply taking up a roster spot and getting a catch or two a season, but holding on to him because next year it might pay off, then it's a bad outcome.

It's hard to tell which way to place your bet. He was widely panned when selected as a low round pick, and he followed it up by being largely invisible. But, he made the team last year, and he has gotten some accolades this camp, so maybe he's stepping it up a notch.
It's really up to him....  
Doomster : 8/10/2016 8:40 am : link
There is a huge opening in this lineup for him...Only OBj is a true lock....

SS is a rookie, that may take time, to get into the flow of this game, especially in clutch situations......communication between him and Eli only comes with experience together...

Harris can be used in a pinch as a starter, but is really a #4.....

Cruz was a question mark before the groin issue.....many have said that the Giants should not be counting on him, but rather look at him as a bonus if he makes the roster...

After that, you have Myles and Geremy, who basically did nothing of note last season, and have to show much more in preseason games...as for the rest, they are wannabees....it's quite possible, one of them breaks out of the pack, but I wouldn't be surprised if none of them did....

I am really pulling for Cruz to get out there, and be an effective option for Eli...this will take some of the pressure off of SS......If we get SS on the right side of the learning curve, if Cruz plays, if Perkins becomes a big contributor in the running/passing game, and our TE's stay healthy, this is an offense to be reckoned with....

The Cruz situation, makes Reese possibly having to keep an extra WR on the roster, just in case....
Not sure how you define him as an Impact Player at this point...  
Beer Man : 8/10/2016 8:49 am : link
He did very little last year (which is not unusual for a rookie WR), and so far this year the Giants have not suited up against another team to see how any of the players will perform. Maybe he skyrockets up the depth chart, maybe not.
Make that  
Beer Man : 8/10/2016 8:50 am : link
"how you could define him"
Competent backup  
JonC : 8/10/2016 9:09 am : link
would suffice, he doesn't figure to get on the field much otherwise.
whoevere gets cut  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/10/2016 9:09 am : link
will probably be devoured within minutes by a team in need
i was given sh#t on this mssg board  
area junc : 8/10/2016 9:14 am : link
for suggesting he would replace rueben randle but he has that outside skillset and work ethic and Eli likes throwing to him. he is built almost like a Tight End - huge chest and big throwing radius. tough run blocker

he made a great catch last year on 4th and 1 to extend a drive early in the season and never saw the field much again, while we cont'd to trot out RR (typical Coughlin IMO).

this staff will not hesitate to play young players if they can help, and Davis is a better football player than Rueben Randle
area junc: You will continue to get sh#t here...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/10/2016 9:27 am : link
...as long as you present yourself as knowing more than Tom Coughlin, among others. (And I'm no particular fan of Coughlin, let alone of Randle.)

Davis may eventually turn into a more productive pro than Randle, but declaring him the better of the two right now constitutes little more than throwing BS at the wall and hoping something sticks so you can declare yourself vindicated. In this case you're going even farther: claiming vindication before the first meaningful snap of 2016.
RE: area junc: You will continue to get sh#t here...  
Big Blue '56 : 8/10/2016 9:30 am : link
In comment 13064341 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...as long as you present yourself as knowing more than Tom Coughlin, among others. (And I'm no particular fan of Coughlin, let alone of Randle.)

Davis may eventually turn into a more productive pro than Randle, but declaring him the better of the two right now constitutes little more than throwing BS at the wall and hoping something sticks so you can declare yourself vindicated. In this case you're going even farther: claiming vindication before the first meaningful snap of 2016.


You're not a particular fan of Coughlin? Oh, ok...Certainly your right
I tend to agree  
ZGiants98 : 8/10/2016 9:47 am : link
If Cruz has a setback or hasn't recovered fully (certainly possible), there's a good chance Davis is starting on the outside with Sheppard in the slot.

Not sure people are fully grasping that yet.
"Knowing his assignments"  
Jay in Toronto : 8/10/2016 9:51 am : link
re Rueben Randle's replacement is telling praise.
Geremy Davis is not fast enough to get open with monotonous regularity  
Marty in Albany : 8/10/2016 9:54 am : link
so his impact will be based on whether he is big enough and strong enough to win the jump ball competition against the man covering him.

Aside from taking advantage of his size/strength advantage, he needs to have rebounding talent, precise route running ability, and coordination with Ely to be consistent. Good hands and lack of alligator arms are essentials.

We will see how much he has progressed from last year in the next few games.
Geremy Davis had a good camp last season too  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2016 9:56 am : link
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I liked him last year  
Bluesbreaker : 8/10/2016 10:04 am : link
but not a whole lot to go on but he can make contested catches good hands uses his body well he is a long strider
but he can get open deep on occasion . Really can go up
for the ball . He is solidly built so he can take some
punishment .
Coaches says he is a quick learner and a hard worker who
pays attention in class . That in itself makes me think
he can be equally if not better than Ruben Randle in terms
of less mistakes and having his heart and head in the game .
Can't wait till friday to see if he can get the ball .
The book on him  
mavric : 8/10/2016 10:06 am : link
coming out of college was that he caught everything and had zero drops which is something as UConn had a very poor QB throwing at him.

The upside: strong hands, catches virtually everything within reach, high character, great teammate
The downside: had trouble getting separation from faster DBs

I personally think he's going to be good. I would never ever compare him to Randle who was a lazy route runner and had a tendency to drop passes that other receivers would catch.

Davis gives 100% every single play, listens to his coaches always wanting to learn every little nuance of the game, extremely hard worker, encourages his teammates, and doesn't drop passes.

RE: Geremy Davis had a good camp last season too  
Klaatu : 8/10/2016 10:07 am : link
In comment 13064400 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That's true, in the same way that Tavarres King is having a good camp this year.

However, the praise for Davis last year was never as effusive as it has been this year, beginning in the spring with Eli's unsolicited comment about him:

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Geremy is a bright guy,” Manning said. “He knows the offense very well. He studies hard. He’s really in tune with what his assignments are. He’s got great size. He’s one of our bigger receivers. You can move him around and put him in different spots. He’s going to be really keyed into what his assignment is, so that’s always helpful. Hopefully he can step up and get on a roll and make some plays for us come game time.”
I am all-in for Davis to be an Impact Player but  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2016 10:11 am : link
can we at least see if he is a player first?
Marty: Very few WRs use pure speed to get open with regularity  
Bob in Newburgh : 8/10/2016 10:21 am : link
He has a very nice combination of physical attributes including a very respectable 40 suggesting a long strider who is sneaky fast intermediate to long.

My understanding is that he needed to minimize the gear down into cuts.

He probably also needs to learn how to use that body just short of penalties. When is is push-off not an illegal push-off when your name is not Michael Irvin?
BB56: I'm a big fan of the man, somewhat less so of the coach.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/10/2016 11:26 am : link
Big Blue '56 said:
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You're not a particular fan of Coughlin? Oh, ok...Certainly your right

I'm probably in the middle of the fanbase with regard to Coughlin. I think he gets too much credit from some fans for the two titles, and too much blame from others for the seasons that went south.
RE: i was given sh#t on this mssg board  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2016 11:33 am : link
In comment 13064315 area junc said:
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for suggesting he would replace rueben randle but he has that outside skillset and work ethic and Eli likes throwing to him. he is built almost like a Tight End - huge chest and big throwing radius. tough run blocker

he made a great catch last year on 4th and 1 to extend a drive early in the season and never saw the field much again, while we cont'd to trot out RR (typical Coughlin IMO).

this staff will not hesitate to play young players if they can help, and Davis is a better football player than Rueben Randle


No, you're given shit on this message board because you're completely full of it.
If he played at the level of a Rueben Randle ...  
Beezer : 8/10/2016 11:33 am : link
With OBJ, the rookie and Cruz also ion the mix?

Dayyyyyum. Not too shabby. I'd take that in a heartbeat, because you're talking maybe 45-60-ish catches.
Impact is a little to high a bar  
xman : 8/10/2016 1:55 pm : link
Good player like former Giant Ed McCafferty type maybe
arcarsenal  
area junc : 8/10/2016 1:59 pm : link
full of it? I said exactly what's happening now. idiot
Training camp impact player  
The Tempest : 8/11/2016 11:50 am : link
Sinorice Moss was the greatest training camp player in Giants history. Every year he made an impact in training camp, and a smaller impact on the bench during the season. When Geremy Davis gets past Beckham Jr, Cruz, Sheppard, and Harris; we'll talk.
RE: Training camp impact player  
Klaatu : 8/11/2016 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13066145 The Tempest said:
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Sinorice Moss was the greatest training camp player in Giants history. Every year he made an impact in training camp, and a smaller impact on the bench during the season. When Geremy Davis gets past Beckham Jr, Cruz, Sheppard, and Harris; we'll talk.


I don't recall Moss having any great training camps...certainly not in his rookie year, 2006, when he suffered a quad injury and missed camp altogether. It seemed to me that he was always getting eclipsed on the depth chart by a rookie WR...first Steve Smith, then Mario Manningham, then Hakeem Nicks...and Domenik Hixon took the return job from him, too.

Davis, on the other hand, has already eclipsed Dwayne Harris, for now. Davis has been consistently lining up with the ones in place of Cruz, and doing well. Seems to me the Giants would like to use Harris more on special teams and less at WR...which is very good for Davis, and, hopefully, for the Giants, too.
I think he can be a solid roleplayer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/11/2016 12:50 pm : link
which is a refreshing change from the usual result out of very late round picks.
hey if Cruz - an UDFA can become an impact player  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/11/2016 1:08 pm : link
why not a non-premium round draft pick like Geremy Davis
.  
Bill2 : 8/11/2016 1:54 pm : link
surprised no one mentioned ( that I saw) the ability to get off the line. Thats pretty critical and it doomed Washington and Barden. I have no idea if this is a problem or not for Davis.

secondly, Area, no intention to add to the personal insults, but quietly and just for your personal reflection ( if I could communicate via some other means I would...no desire to pick on you about this) as to what gets you in the thinking trouble of skipping steps from factoid fragment to overarching conclusion and then being surprised when folks think its BS.

Lets break down one thing you said ( we could do this with several aspects of the post):

1) Compared Davis to Randle ( unnecessary and opened you up to defend two thesis and extend the comparison you set up).

2) Implied that Davis was really as good an option as Randle last year ( no data from Davis to even use as a baseline for this contention)

3) Implied the list of attributes of Davis ( since there is no data there can only be "attributes") that you listed were enough to make it obvious he was the choice ( as if Randle did not also have "attributes")

4) your argumentation next extended that it was obvious that the reason the obvious was circumvented was that TC ruled against the obvious.

OK...now lets really deconstruct this branch of the argument which is already far from solidly and see what leaps you made:

For that to happen ( Randle over the better choice) the following would have had to happen last year:

The WR coach would have had to say that Davis was obviously better

the QB coach would have had to say Davis was obviously better choice

Eli would have had to say Davis was obviously the better choice

MacAddo would have had to say Davis was obviously the better choice

Then TC would have ignored all that

Then Jerry or some other Fo personnel folks would have asked the team coaching staff how can we improve? Ditto John Mara? Hey Tom, what do you guys think at the break is the best way to get to the season end goals?

Once again, TC would have had to over rule all other input and questions

Then as each game was played, again the answer all the way to the end would have been...play Randle even though its obvious that Davis is better or even is going to be better.

Now thats what you asked folks to agree with (1) the conclusion and 2) its obviousness and 3) that TC was the obvious reason 4) that the obvious was ignored).

Even without any prior posting exuberance...thats a bridge too far.

There are many ways this may happen inside your mind. one of them is leaping to a gut based "wished for outcome". Ok. thats fine...we all do that. That would result in a post saying "I sure hope Davis is a big part of the team this year" that all us fans hope for.

Not labeling it as such and instead making labored "i told you so first" ( do you care about the past? and the opinions of other posters" or do you not?...you say one and act the other) as well as trying to make it an opinion made by a very good football analyst with a lot of football and football team insights gets you in trouble.

Area...you are not priveledged to the knowledge needed to assert much of what you said ( "I was there and i saw all the other opinions from guys who wanted to win and knew what to do and I also saw TC overrule them")

or I was inside the FO thinking of SF and although priveledged that way...it does not affect my insider status to report what i know ahead of the decision only 3 to 4 people could have posted as factual

This is magical thinking. I have seen you post about the thoughts and feelings of people on the field which you only could have known if you could peer through the tv...through 2000 miles...then through the helmets and then past the skulls and into the sequence of neurons and then given us an authoritative fact based glimpse into emotions during a game of all things and the reaction of other people on the team to that emotion of one player.

In other words you could simultanelously peer through the TV into miles, helmets, skulls and emotions and the response of others.

Your conclusions, presented as obvious and fact centered were so easy to present as "your feelings as you watch"

then others would have said " I feel the same thing"

instead you self nominated to an impossible island and tried to defend it

Feelings are not thinking. Feelings are not authoritative sources of anything but more feelings.

hope that helps



Hixon  
Reale01 : 8/11/2016 2:00 pm : link
Might be a good comparison. Last year the reports were that he was raw but caught everything. He was contrasted with Randle and Parker who were dropping the ball. This year its about smarts and professionalism. Sounds like he is progressing. He would be a great #4 if he can play specials.
RE: Hixon  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2016 8:51 am : link
In comment 13066389 Reale01 said:
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Might be a good comparison. Last year the reports were that he was raw but caught everything. He was contrasted with Randle and Parker who were dropping the ball. This year its about smarts and professionalism. Sounds like he is progressing. He would be a great #4 if he can play specials.


To follow on this, Hixon was a hell of an athlete. He had great agility and speed enough to be a return man. That's definitely not Davis.
It looks like he's developing  
Metnut : 8/12/2016 9:15 am : link
nicely. Hopefully Cruz can still be a productive steady receiver, but I feel more confident that I have in a long time about our 2-6 WRs, with or without Cruz. It looks like there's a good competition going on this camp.

If the OL can keep it together this offense can be as good as any in the NFL.
RE: arcarsenal  
YAJ2112 : 8/12/2016 9:25 am : link
In comment 13064841 area junc said:
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full of it? I said exactly what's happening now. idiot


you also said this


Rumor: 49ers Close to Trading RT Anthony Davis?

area junc : 5/2/2016 12:26 pm

allegedly they're looking for a 2017 conditional 3rd...Deal to be announced shortly.....
Hixon ran a 4.39 40 at his pro day.  
BlueLou : 8/12/2016 9:25 am : link
His on field speed in the NFL bore that out. He was originally a 4th round draft pick by the Broncos who was cut because had had difficulties playing after he seriously injured a player - I think when he was a gunner on Denver's punt coverage unit. Coughlin helped rebuild his moxie to play again.

He wasn't a good punt and kick returner - he was great at it, however briefly. Example linked.
Hixon punt return TD vs Dallas - ( New Window )
RE: arcarsenal  
YAJ2112 : 8/12/2016 9:34 am : link
In comment 13064841 area junc said:
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full of it? I said exactly what's happening now. idiot


And this gem
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Beatty is pretty much ready
area junc : 9/26/2015 10:12 am : link
He'll b back in the lineup week 6 with Flowers over to RT.


Which was great considering Beatty couldn't have come off PUP for week 6 and he never played a down all year.
More work from the great insider! - ( New Window )
Bill2  
micky : 8/12/2016 9:57 am : link
Breaking down area in a business model critic..lmao
micky  
Bill2 : 8/12/2016 10:18 am : link
Hope you are well.

Its cringe worthy to watch.

Its so easy to avoid. Just call it what it is...emotions of a fan:

As a fan. "when I watch, or read xxx, I feel as if...

or

"I wonder if...?"

or

"i hope anthony davis will be a Giant very soon. I see some signs that might mean it may happen"

Done. A positive contributor ( since area does not attack other posters unless he gets a lot of grief and is not nasty or racist and he does post on football topics and he clearly is a Giants fan).

Whats so hard about that?

Best to pose as an insider with girls anyway. " come up to my room so we can see if we would have fun in the owners field box during the next night game"

Next time I go to Frisco...now thats an owners box. You would like Frisco. I always stay at the Cliff House. Know the bartender at the Redwood Room.

Bs when and where it counts. better odds than on here



RE: Most likely Reuben Randle type production  
Deej : 8/12/2016 10:42 am : link
In comment 13064203 BlueLou said:
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but hopefully with fewer targets and more reliable effort and route running. In other words, a possession receiver with perhaps more red zone utility.

He SHOULD be a good blocking WR too, something that largely goes unnoticed.

And that would be enough IMO as a #3.

Not every #3 is Mario Manningham, and very few 6th round WRs become Antonio Brown.


A WR more consistent than Randle who gives Randle's production is a really good player. 797 yards and 8 TDs last year. 938 yards and 3 TDs the year before.

That's too optimistic to be "most likely". Most likely is that he's a 4th, 5th, or 6th WR.
How about "solid role player"?  
GiantJake : 8/12/2016 1:02 pm : link
Davis can make an impact by being a dependable part of the WR rotation. Shepherd is a rookie and shouldn't be asked to carry the whole load at WR#2. Cruz is a working to get back and a part-time role is optimal. Davis and Harris will help OBJ, Shepherd and Cruz from being over-worked.
RE: RE: Most likely Reuben Randle type production  
BlueLou : 8/12/2016 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13067419 Deej said:
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In comment 13064203 BlueLou said: Quote:
but hopefully with fewer targets and more reliable effort and route running. In other words, a possession receiver with perhaps more red zone utility.

He SHOULD be a good blocking WR too, something that largely goes unnoticed.

And that would be enough IMO as a #3.

Not every #3 is Mario Manningham, and very few 6th round WRs become Antonio Brown.



A WR more consistent than Randle who gives Randle's production is a really good player. 797 yards and 8 TDs last year. 938 yards and 3 TDs the year before.

That's too optimistic to be "most likely". Most likely is that he's a 4th, 5th, or 6th WR.


Not too optimistic if you go back to what Randle accomplished his 2nd year in the league which is what I was suggesting, if only implicitly, because it is Davis's year 2 too...

41/611/6 - which fits my team model as well if Davis is the Giants' #3 WR this year...
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