Anybody have bad feeling Cruz winds up like Terrell Thomas?

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but I have really tempered my expectations

The early mini camp and camp returns were cool, but we're talking a 30 year old WR with a 2 year layoff due to lower leg injuries. Those seem to derail careers more quickly and quite permanently, especially when past the peak of about 27 or 28 years old.

Cruz can return but from a W/L perspective if he can give us 600 yards this year and be a solid 3 WR I'll take it and then we have to move on next year.

but I've thought this since the recurring calf injury.

from the start and alittle bit moreso after yesterday. Would be something else since T2 was my favorite player on the defense and Cruz has been my favorite player since 2011. Awful, awful luck.

His 2013 and early 2014 season were anything to get hyped up about, while he was mostly healthy. To date he has spent 60% of his football career on the sidelines and with age that number will only increase. I appreciate his time spent with the NY Giants, his passion and the Superbowl he helped us win. With that said, I think his best days are far away and we should have signed a veteran WR like Aquan Boldin for depth.

I'd think he will play in spots but I can't imagine him finishing the season.

Waaaay worse than an ACL tear.....

So that we do not have to cut a potentially good young WR.

In comment 13066326 HoustonGiant said:

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Waaaay worse than an ACL tear.....

So did Jimmy Graham last year, and he was just cleared to practice.

Cruz was done in by his calf injury last year. This year, he was cleared to practice from the get-go. In my view, a little groin tightness after he was going all out for a couple of days is no big deal. I'm still confident that he'll be back. Maybe not "better than ever," but back nonetheless.

and that's a big "IF" I hope he managed his money well. A lot of these kids don't, but Victor has a good head on his shoulders.

NFL= Not For Long......smh....

Certainly questionable at this point.

-in that it allowed his knee to re-gain it's stability

Thomas was tough despite his injuries. And while awesome talent- never delivered a game changing performance repeatedly like Cruz did.

Cruz is at the point in his career where he and Eli basically delivered a championship. - and is now not going to do anything outside what he believes to be 100%. He earned it in 2011. He had heart, talent, determination - and execution.

Since then he's been plagued by injury - the groin this year by his own admission he could have played through. He's putting his own career and self before the training camp. What do you want to say to him?

He proved himself on the field when it mattered, wAs one of the ply bright spots for a couple years. This could be his last rodeo with the team but he delivered when it mattered.

All of what's been written above about the difficulty of coming back from his injuries is true.

However, it's football, guys get dinged. Lots of stress on joints and muscles, even without contact.

We've been spoiled this training camp by the lack of season-ending injuries. There's no debate about who to put on temp IR, as in recent years. So we're very focused on Cruz's latest ding.

Maybe this injury is a big thing, maybe it's not, let's see. So far this training camp, the staff seems to be doing a good job with preventing/handling injuries.

Even if he's healthy enough to be active Week 1, I expect Cruz to be on a "pitch count" anyway. If so, some on here will say that proves he's done, or that he should have been let go. I don't think it's a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing that is.

TT have two acl or mcl tears in college?

In comment 13066406 81_Great_Dane said:

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All of what's been written above about the difficulty of coming back from his injuries is true. However, it's football, guys get dinged. Lots of stress on joints and muscles, even without contact. We've been spoiled this training camp by the lack of season-ending injuries. There's no debate about who to put on temp IR, as in recent years. So we're very focused on Cruz's latest ding. Maybe this injury is a big thing, maybe it's not, let's see. So far this training camp, the staff seems to be doing a good job with preventing/handling injuries. Even if he's healthy enough to be active Week 1, I expect Cruz to be on a "pitch count" anyway. If so, some on here will say that proves he's done, or that he should have been let go. I don't think it's a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing that is.

Don't jinx it!

About Cruz, more of a hopeful wait and see approach.

Sports medicine is incredible and athletes today overcome obstacles that ended careers in the past.

Possession reciever with knack for 1st downs. Get into position, catch the ball and fall down. I don't expect Victor Cruz of old with YAC ability anymore.

he returns from injury better than Smith, too......

In comment 13066469 penkap75 said:

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Possession reciever with knack for 1st downs. Get into position, catch the ball and fall down. I don't expect Victor Cruz of old with YAC ability anymore.

pen kap -- yes -- I would take VIctor Cruz = Steve Smith when productive -- anytime it is offered

could be just a hiccup but time is his enemy he has to
produce when his chance comes and I hope he does ..
But there are some hungry young leggs nipping at his heals
May be the hardest decision the 1st year Head Coach
will have to make ...
Like to see a Couple of Salsas at the Jets Game ....

sit him until season opener....geeez

injuries in both camps....

A tight groin could have come from slipping on wet grass....

I wouldnt care if he sat out ALL the preseason games.

bubble wrapping cruz

know more in a few weeks. He's 30, has missed two seasons, and had an injury worse than an ACL. But last year was the calf, not the tendon, and he's almost two years removed from that latter injury. If he doesn't play in any preseason games, then it becomes a cause for concern, especially if the Giants have to release a promising WR to keep him on the roster.

TT's ACL with the Giants was his second ACL repair and then he had a 3rd repair as well. Cruz's has had no setbacks from his patella injury in the two years since it occurred . A year ago he had a calf injury to the other leg which he has had no setbacks from either. There are no guarantees for anyone but it's nothing like TT's multiple ACLs on the same knee.

a few days ago on BBI. The comparison I made was Thomas did in fact play many to all games that last season with NYG. And he was promptly released after that season.

We don't know enough about Cruz right now. Maybe he's fine. But I just can't shake this feeling I have that he's not long for the NFL. My prediction is he plays this season and maybe even has a nice moment or two, but this will be his last season with the Giants and probably with the NFL. I don't think he has much left in him.

Cruz being a number 3 WR talent seems to be the best we can hope for.

He may be able to adapt to being a different kind of WR, but it seems very unlikely he'll be close to the player he was before the 2 injuries.

doesn't play in week 3 of preseason then its bad news as I believe the starters generally play a full half in that game.

but if he can't go by game one, cut him, give him his guaranteed plus injury settlement, and plan for the future.

what happened to Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, and apparently, Victor Cruz, we should all have a greater appreciation of what Amani Toomer accomplished. He didn't have the sizzle that Cruz and Nicks had but he was an excellent receiver that we were able to count on almost continuously for 13 years.

to drop. It is only hope at this point because of continued setbacks.

Plan to draft Shepard was our saving grace.

has lessened the need for VC to be the VC of old. I don't know...I'm not confident, but I'm sure as hell hoping it works out for him. He seems like a good dude & he was such a major factor in us winning it all in '11. I want to see him do well. I'd like for his career to end on a high, not on a low.

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waning with Cruz. The early camp reports seemed to make it like he has lost some vertical (cutting) speed.

If he misses tomorrow night, so be it, but we need to see him at full speed in a pre-season game to get a true feel for where he is in his recovery. I would love for him to even return to slot receiver form, 60 - 700 - 6 type numbers would be awesome. But if he has in fact lost a step he may not make it through the final cuts. That would be sad.

I will always remember him in 2011 and what he did for the Giants with his 99 yard TD and run through the playoffs. We could not and would not have done it without him.

but toward his knee injury got the impression he was tired of being the target and was shying away from contact. As recovery has gone from delay to delay have developed the awful feeling that there is little taste for contact left in the tank. So, its fine Victor, take the $ and call it quits. If there still remains something in the tank, give up on the silly salsa, drop the ball and respect your opponents. Let the Giants younger talent come forth, unless you still have it, and have a real desire.

I am not sure Cruz starts......

Cruz has always been a special slot WR.....and never really a great outside guy
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Both OBJ and Shepard are better slot WRs

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But I'm still optimistic. No bad juju on my part.