CB Eli Apple (lower leg strain), WR Sterling Shepard (groin strain), WR Geremy Davis (hamstring), and TE Will Johnson (burner) all left the game and did not return.
I thought the first string O opened a few lanes for the running game. Sheppard made a nice catch. Geremy Davis made a nice catch. OO seemed active late.
CB Eli Apple (lower leg strain), WR Sterling Shepard (groin strain), WR Geremy Davis (hamstring), and TE Will Johnson (burner) all left the game and did not return.
I am guessing we won't hear more until Sunday's practice starts? I don't think any of them were "serious" but you never know, these are after all, the Giants!
1st team defense.
Apple.
OO.
Okwara.
1st team OL, although Newhouse got blown up on one play with Williams.
Williams.
The bad:
Nassib. Screams to cut him are ridiculous, but he was admittedly awful. Yes, he played behind the second string OL, but he constantly underthrew receivers, and had no ball security. He made it hard to evaluate the WRs, which is critical given the competition between King, Lewis, and Powe.
Flowers was shaky in pass protection.
Gettis.
Jones.
Taylor.
...first 1st down until almost 3/4 of the way through the 2nd quarter I believe. Running game showed some pop. Depth on the interior OL and back end of the defense was monkey shit and looked in the 2nd half like some of the DB's didn't want to be physical.
Really surprised T. King didn't make a peep after how much he's done in camp.
based on how the starters did. This was a W while the starters played, and that's even without Eli.
I agree that the starters dominated. Miami didn't have a first down for the first 20 minutes of the game! We ran through some nice holes the first half. All the things we needed from the first team we pretty much got and then some. Happy about that, not happy about backups.
I don't know if Bobby Hart should start at RT but I do know he should
I'm in total agreement. With Snacks taking up two bodies, I think Hankins, JPP and Vernon will get plenty of heat on QB's this year. I also think Spags will blitz Kennard, Robinson and Casillas at times as they are all pretty fast and athletic.
I didn't think the first team OL looked bad, in fact, I thought
They looked pretty good. Nassib looked out of rhythm, and I thought he made the line look worse than what it looked like. Donnell's blocking is a bit scary, but I'm confident in first unit OL.
RE: I didn't think the first team OL looked bad, in fact, I thought
They looked pretty good. Nassib looked out of rhythm, and I thought he made the line look worse than what it looked like. Donnell's blocking is a bit scary, but I'm confident in first unit OL.
Nah, that right side was leaky as hell. At times the left wasn't all that much better.
Starting units all looked good except OL. DL and receivers will be phenomenal. Good games for Apple, Shepard, Casillas, JPP, OV, OO, Milhouse, Coleman, and Perkins.
On the downside, Adams might win a roster spot if Berhe and Taylor don't improve. Hart might end up starting at RT if Newhouse doesn't improve. But the disappointing players were mostly backups or camp fodder.
Jennings
Vereen
Darkwa (did you see him on special teams?)
Perkins
*** Williams as a sleeper for the PS - only 2 years experience it can happen. He wasn't terrible, it's just on Specials Darkwa played great. I guess health could play in.
Starting D was great. That was fun.
Wrs Davis, and Sheppard showed some thing.
Okwara really flashed he was the biggest surprise for me. I hope he can sustain that. If he does he will make the team. He's a big dude. I thought he was a DE.
Owa having a good game is also encouraging.
Backup OL was weak, Hart looked to be the strongest of the reserves and they ran right behind him.
It sounds like the Adams kid from UCONN had at least 1 nice play.
Nassib lost this game quite obviously. He was badly outplayed. Terrible ball security. Rainey clearly is no more then a training camp body and an injury policy. You can see why he was cut.
I don't see Cooper Taylor making this team. He didn't play well. I'm still waiting for Behre to do something special.
2. Apple: played well for the most part. He will definitely play a lot of snaps this year.
3. Thompson: nothing spectacular but played a lot and looked good overall.
4. Shepherd and Davis. I don't go for training camp hype but from what I saw tonight, Shepherd looked very good.
5. First team defense overall looked dominant.
6. Andre Williams looked a lot quicker.
7. OO showed some life tonight.
Meh:
1. The offensive playcalling. Seemed a little predictable. Obviously it's preseason but I thought Sullivan would be a little more creative.
2. The offensive line, especially the right side.
Negatives:
1. Nassib: looked like a camp fodder undrafted rookie free agent. Terrible performance.
2. Rainey: Let's hope Harris stays healthy because this guy cannot be the punt returner. Just by watching him approach the ball, I could tell he is going to having trouble catching it.
on the OL wow. pretty bad behind Hart. He was the only one that looked OK as the rest was a mess
I saw Shepard open a couple of times and Ryan Nassib didn't see him. Wide Open!
Eli Apple is a baller
I saw depth on the D-line and guys seemed to me moving to the ball and stopping the run.
I would have liked to have seen the starting safeties tested more but from what banks was saying they had personal in the right spots...
Williams still runs with no vision. he had some physical runs but that goal line run needed to be bounced outside...I see no value in Rainey and if he continues to put balls on the ground..see ya
Perkins needs some more time, but I can see why they like him but you have to secure the football or you won't see playing time
1. No depth at OL.
2. Nat Berhe was unimpressive.
3. Beckham/Shepard could be a fun WR tandem to watch.
4. Ditto with the DE tandem of Vernon/JPP.
5. Nassib was poor, which is obvious, but his decision making is what was most alarming.
And Milhouse looked pretty good too. I think they will both only get better. Milhouse was getting some good push and really collapsing the pocket, he could be a real find.
Williams stood out to me most on offense. He looks hungry to prove himself and in the best shape I've seen. I think he will surprise this year. Donnell is a bonehead, I didn't see anything from Lacose really. Tye will still be a very valuable short game weapon, I hope he can develop into a decent blocker.
OO took some weight of My chest showing he will be solid depth. Can't say the same outside of anyone other than Hart on the OL.
1st team offense looked good despite Nassib's crappy play. Did the first team defense allow a 1st down? I don't think they did. I know it's just Miami and only pre-season but not a single first down is still pretty damn good. We have to hope they fix the injury issue this year since the backups are so bad.
-Odi Owa looked good.
-Goodson I was hoping to perform better against other 2nd teamers.
-Perkins didn't do nearly as well as I hoped.
-Williams I still don't like for this offense. When he was in it was a run most of the time and looked predictable. He still seems to look for the guy to hit instead of the open field. Although he looked good on specials.
-Darkwa was good on specials too. Not really anywhere else though.
-Casillas looked very good against the run and pass. One interception after an almost interception.
-Vernon showing he wants to earn that paycheck
-JPP is looking to return to form
-Hankins and Snacks looked great clogging up the middle.
-Sheppard looked great. Great routes. Gets open. Too bad Nassib was throwing the ball to him.
-Nassib looked horrendous. WTF. Did he complete anything other than a slant. 2 interceptions that should have been at least 4. Plus a fumble.
-Hart looked pretty good on 2nd team but that doesn't make him ready for 1st team. I still have hope for him though.
-Adams I would have like to see more of.
-Donnell, yea I was never a fan.
-Wing, killing the deep punts and downing them with the 10 when possible. I really like Wing.
-Rainey still has fumblitis. Why was nobody else getting looks as a returner early on?
-Jennings looked good as the starter
-Vereen I noticed they put him in on 2nd down instead of just 3rd down. It was the 3rd down play that he got the big gain on though. I think he will be backing up/spelling Jennings as the #2 besides just the 3rd down back.
-Sullivan calling plays. Is McAdoo trying him out too? Did Coach just want to keep an eye on his players. Stay tuned.
-Duke control needs work. Way to many turnovers but most were by Nassib.
Did I miss anything?
Health was my biggest concern going into this season. Looks like they can't afford to lose anyone. If they stay healthy they could dominate on both sides of the ball. If they again beat the rest of the league in injuries it will be a long season.
Jennings
Vereen
Darkwa (did you see him on special teams?)
Perkins
*** Williams as a sleeper for the PS - only 2 years experience it can happen. He wasn't terrible, it's just on Specials Darkwa played great. I guess health could play in.
Starting D was great. That was fun.
Wrs Davis, and Sheppard showed some thing.
Okwara really flashed he was the biggest surprise for me. I hope he can sustain that. If he does he will make the team. He's a big dude. I thought he was a DE.
Owa having a good game is also encouraging.
Backup OL was weak, Hart looked to be the strongest of the reserves and they ran right behind him.
It sounds like the Adams kid from UCONN had at least 1 nice play.
Nassib lost this game quite obviously. He was badly outplayed. Terrible ball security. Rainey clearly is no more then a training camp body and an injury policy. You can see why he was cut.
I don't see Cooper Taylor making this team. He didn't play well. I'm still waiting for Behre to do something special.
Wade is still Wade.
Jennings was the only RB that I thought was meh. Wiliams, Darkwa, Vereen and Perkins were better.
My worst players of the game list, based on limited tv vision
RB Rainey - he just isn't that good and he fumbles
OC Jones - Canadian looked lost the one play he blocked no one. He needs a year on the PS to learn the NFL.
SS Behre - Not too sharp out there, got beat
FS Taylor - 4th season and I don't see any progress, first cut
OG Gettis - not good at all, needs work.
LT Flowers - got by but not as much growth as I'd hoped for?
Good:
RB Perkins
WR Shepard
OL First team was generally strong.
DL First team was very strong.
I know I joke about it, but Louis Vasquez would be a great option. I don't know how much he's asking for, but he can definitely compete with John Jerry for the starting job. The loser can be the backup RG. Stingily looks fine at LT, McDermott looks fine at OC, but the rest of the O-Line is concerning, IMO.
Tried to focus on Flowers, thought he played good not great. Nassib didn't help any of the o line no pocker presence. One play in particular stood out there was early pressure as the right end crashed in but Flowers recovered nicely completely sealing off the d line.all Nassib had to do is roll to left just a little and stop.He would have had all night to throw instead he takes off and runs.
RE: I don't know if Bobby Hart should start at RT but I do know he should
I know I joke about it, but Louis Vasquez would be a great option. I don't know how much he's asking for, but he can definitely compete with John Jerry for the starting job. The loser can be the backup RG. Stingily looks fine at LT, McDermott looks fine at OC, but the rest of the O-Line is concerning, IMO.
OG Jerry is NOT the weakest link on the OL. The weak links are RT Robert Newhouse and LT Erek Flowers against edge speed rushers.
I think TE W. Tye is "elevated" to first team TE because he can in fact block while TE Donnell is a liability. Sorry, but you have to protect Eli and you have to run the ball better. We have improved run blocking this year so lets use our run game, make it effective so things are easier to Eli.
I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
I know I joke about it, but Louis Vasquez would be a great option. I don't know how much he's asking for, but he can definitely compete with John Jerry for the starting job. The loser can be the backup RG. Stingily looks fine at LT, McDermott looks fine at OC, but the rest of the O-Line is concerning, IMO.
OG Jerry is NOT the weakest link on the OL. The weak links are RT Robert Newhouse and LT Erek Flowers against edge speed rushers.
I think TE W. Tye is "elevated" to first team TE because he can in fact block while TE Donnell is a liability. Sorry, but you have to protect Eli and you have to run the ball better. We have improved run blocking this year so lets use our run game, make it effective so things are easier to Eli.
Jerry is not THE weakest link, but he is A weak link until proven otherwise.
RE: RE: I don't know if Bobby Hart should start at RT but I do know he should
I don't care if it's OTAs, rookie walk throughs, pre season 1 or the 4th of July, the only thing I care about is the health of the players. No serious injuries. Stay healthy fellas.
I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
Listen to Banks - that was on Newhouse. He didn't drive his man outside and he let the guy control in inside too. Piss poor blocking.
RE: RE: RE: I don't know if Bobby Hart should start at RT but I do know he should
He sure seemed to by a "man among boys" on the pass rush all game. Very good day for him and for starting DL.
I'm just hoping if there are any reports on the injured tomorrow that they aren't more than "he's a little sore, may rest him a day or two" kind of thing. That is always the worst with pre-season games: the injury bug.
Goals for next pre-season game: better continuity from second teamers.
as if when there is a backup needed that you remove all 11 starters at once and replace them. Admittedly, many of the backups looked lost out there but most of them are new to this system, playing next to guys that they never played in an NFL game with before, etc. Give them some slack. There aren't many single players in football that can make or break a football game and tonite you saw one of the few, the QB, have an awful nite and was extremely instrumental for the outcome of that dismal game. But Nassib usually shows up and plays well. For whatever reason, it wasn't his nite. After all it was only preseason game #1! Hopefully, the bad injury bug stays away from the G-men this year!! Injuries are what takes teams down, especially to starters and quality backups!
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't know if Bobby Hart should start at RT but I do know he should
be ahead of Newhouse on the depth chart. Hart looked a hell of lot better than Newhouse at RT. And to be honest it wasn't even close.
Yeah, Hart stoned his guy pretty well. Seemed to have good quick feet. But it was 2nd team. Newhouse didn't look so good.
Both Newhouse and Hart played against Branch. Dolphins rested their starting DL.
Thanks, if that was the case (thought Hart might have had 3rd team) then Hart played him better.
I believe Branch got much of the 1st half. Newhouse got 1st quarter and Hart 2nd and 3rd quarter. Gase wanted to get a look at his 2nd unit particularly on the D line.
I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
Listen to Banks - that was on Newhouse. He didn't drive his man outside and he let the guy control in inside too. Piss poor blocking.
Banks was right about that play, but for much of the night I felt that ol' Carl and I were watching two different games.
I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
Listen to Banks - that was on Newhouse. He didn't drive his man outside and he let the guy control in inside too. Piss poor blocking.
Banks was right about that play, but for much of the night I felt that ol' Carl and I were watching two different games.
If the Giants ran a power run game type of offense I'd be all for Williams. He's not a receiving threat (major caveat for a RB in a WCO), he played more like he wanted to hit someone instead of finding the open field, and the plays he's in for feel predictable.
Maybe I'm overreacting to a quarter of a preseason game
But I think that barring injuries and if the Giants get their O-line figured out I won't be surprised if we go something like 12-4. I'm not predicting it, but if it happens I won't be surprised either.
But I think that barring injuries and if the Giants get their O-line figured out I won't be surprised if we go something like 12-4. I'm not predicting it, but if it happens I won't be surprised either.
My prediction is 10-6 and that prediction is based on our having a "middle of the pack" injury history during this season, a big improvement over years past.
If we start 3-0 as I believe we will, then 7-6 is very much doable. 9-4 possible if we stayed really healthy, especially the OL, OBJ, Eli, DL and CB's.
This defense will be much better than most realize due to DL, CB's and nickel defense / four aces.
The Achilles heal on offense is RT followed by LT (pass protection vs speed) right now. On defense, we could use a MLB like Ray Lewis (LOL!) but hey we ain't that bad with run stuffer Brinkley. Sunday's practice will reveal the depth chart better I think.
Just have not so good feel to the team on sloppiness and injuries..guess its ingrained from past several seasons. Just preseason game i guess but we'll see
Not Closely But WTF was up with Nassib I mean he looked
like Bob Timberlake or something .I think that set the
tone . Even the Nice catch by Shepard was late and a nice
play arrow pointing up .
Nice first drive but if Miami had there starters in we
may have been shut Out .
We really need at least two more Vet O-line men we have
Zero Depth and Newhouse is what we thought a backup .
Owa had a nice game and Apple was allover the place .
Davis looked good as well I think he is gonna be a good
starter .Millhouse and Okwara showed some signs .
Of course there was a Freak TD it's a Giant thing .
First cuts shouldn't be too difficult ...
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1. Williams has been working on his receiving in camp. Pat Traina's mentioned it several times...he seems a lot more comfortable catching passes.
2. What does that have to do with Carl Banks and the overall game? It's not just that one play.
1. He worked on it last year to. In camp this year he is still catching with his body and not his hands. If he learns to catch and proves it, I'll enjoy the crow.
2. Original post was about Williams. I should have picked a different post to reply to instead of just the most recent one. I didn't compare my thoughts to Banks' comments. Otherwise my criticism is not just on that one play. I do think he was good on specials.
Hart should go into the starting OL but we need more depth there. The LBs actually look a lot better because the DL finally is top class, at least on paper
Hart should go into the starting OL but we need more depth there. The LBs actually look a lot better because the DL finally is top class, at least on paper
I'd overpay in a trade for a RT. ELI has e years, maybe 4 left so get him the best now.
RE: Maybe I'm overreacting to a quarter of a preseason game
But I think that barring injuries and if the Giants get their O-line figured out I won't be surprised if we go something like 12-4. I'm not predicting it, but if it happens I won't be surprised either.
Pass the koolaid over. Seriously though, that first team defense looked incredible, we have Eli, we have Odell, and we have the same offense returning + shep and perkins. We don't need the best defense, we just need a middle of the road defense to get us into the playoffs. I think we got that and then some.
Left the game was very obvious. Please let those two guys stay healthy. Behre plays hard but looked out of position a lot...and Taylor isn't an NFL safety.
Judging preseason by starters has always been my criteria.
Also depth is sometimes difficult to judge when you substitute an entire unit. Giants have lacked depth for years but I wouldn't t conclude the same is true this season based solely on tonight
RE: 1st and 2nd O-lines looked like we feared they might
The Giants roster takes it to extremes in multiple areas: OL, S and LB are the keynote offenders.
Naasib always has been and continues to be a bum. There were so many better ways to expend those draft resources. Spilt milk.
OL depth is really scary.
As for Safety, Cooper Taylor came crashing down on one run to the right; didn't gather himself properly; and whiffed on the play which went for 20+ yards. Ugh.
never will the entire oline be replaced by the entire 2nd line. So to say depth sucks is just wrong. Normally one guy is replaced. The 1st line has a year together. the 2nd line has zero time together. No cohesion and players 8, 9, 10 make 6 and 7 look worse than they are. So the group is worse than the parts...
Gettis and Jones were really bad last night - 2nd line was awful. Hart looked good, Stingily was ok....
They'll only keep 8 or 9.
never will the entire oline be replaced by the entire 2nd line. So to say depth sucks is just wrong. Normally one guy is replaced. The 1st line has a year together. the 2nd line has zero time together. No cohesion and players 8, 9, 10 make 6 and 7 look worse than they are. So the group is worse than the parts...
Gettis and Jones were really bad last night - 2nd line was awful. Hart looked good, Stingily was ok....
They'll only keep 8 or 9.
True... but, did you see our first string right tackle try to seal off the end early in game. It was downright scary. And then our guy got jack hammered into the backfield which blew up a run play to the right. Our starting right tackle is a below-grade starter in the NFL... and that's being very generous. If the Giants have an Achilles heel this year, it's gonna be the offensive line.
It looks like we're going to have a very good pass rush.
this could be The Team that dominates through the regular season and beyond.
Makes no sense to go into the "win now" year with an offensive line that's got more holes than a The Old West Side Hgwy.
So we draft to a position of strength with Apple (and pass on Tunsil), we sign a free agent CB. All well and good, IF the oline didn't have such great needs.
These guys are too sharp for that, something will change before the opening bell.
After sleeping on it a bit, I've concluded the following;
Be patient, most of these guys who are not showing well are young.
1. QB Nassib - this guy has never played a real NFL game as a starting #1 QB. He is a rookie on "steroids" if you will since he's been around the playbook, camps, OTA's. I expect he'll show better next wwek.
2. OL Backups - OC Brett Jones, OG Gettis really did not look good and it showed. Jones clearly needs a season on the PS. Not sure about RT Hart or J. Rodgers based on what I can see on TV only.
3. Safety - Behre, Taylor not so good.
The thing is most of these plays seemed correctable technique issues so we have a little time. The most important thing about last night is we didn't have any major injuries.
Sunday's 13th practice will tell us a lot about the future make-up of this team as positions begin to be shored up more and more.
Using OO on the inside in passing situations worked well.
Very exciting!!! Really looking forward to a D-line that can both destroy the inside run game and crash down on the QB from both ends. Wow... we could have something really special here.
1. No depth at OL.
2. Nat Berhe was unimpressive.
3. Beckham/Shepard could be a fun WR tandem to watch.
4. Ditto with the DE tandem of Vernon/JPP.
5. Nassib was poor, which is obvious, but his decision making is what was most alarming.
For #1, I would re-spin that. We have decent depth. The problem is that the team doesnt have starting quality guys to put on the right side of the OL, and consequently is starting the two guys that should be leading the second team line. John Jerry and Newhouse have been around the league long enough that we know what they both have to offer, and they are probably never going to be any better. Both should be backups. I realize that the team could only fill so many holes during the offseason, and that it is early into the preseason, but it should surprise no one that with the same guys in place on the right side of the OL that we are seeing the same results.
Odighizuwa and Okwara seemed very active as reserve DE's.
Leon McFadden sucks. Cooper Taylor pissed me off a few times.
OC Brett Jones looked terrible as did OG Gettis. I mean, the whole 2nd and 3rd team OL struggled more often than not.
Has Jones ever looked good.
The reports that list OC Brett Jones at 6' 2" are wrong. He is 6' 1/2 inch, give or take a 1/4 inch, according to folks standing next to him and comparing. Also up until last year's camp he has never played American style football so this is all a learning experience for him.
I think he makes it through cuts and ends up on the PS where he will learn another year. He has the heart, strength, smart and so forth just needs the technique work. Also, I think he is strictly an OC moreso than an OG.
But to date, he hasn't show anything worthy of a roster spot.
Regarding his fumble, Perkins was very good at ball security
about last night, and why you should never care about wins and losses in the pre-season. 2 years ago, when the Giants went 5-0 in the pre-season, it was plainly obvious the Giants starting unit was not as good as the starting unit they went against. But when it was time to bring in the backups/young guys/scrubs, the Giants scrubs were better than the other teams scrubs. Corey Washington got so much love because he was catching TDs against guys who were barely practice squad material, and the Giants were throwing to try to dig out of the hole the #1 units put them in.
Last night was the opposite. The Giants starting defense, particularly the DL was night and day from last year. Same with the starting OL. And the Giants didn't play Eli, OBJ, and Cruz. The first running play, Snacks and Hankins completely clogged up the middle, and JPP, Vernon, and a surprise with Double O showed a pass rush that we never got a hint from with George Selvie or Kerry Wynn. I'm ok in the pre-season if the guys who we expect to play look good, rather than the backups flashing against guys who weren't going to play for other teams. That's what led the Giants to the Ungas and Kuhns looking good against backups and then getting exposed when the real bullets fly.
Remember 2 years ago, when some of the clowns on BBI said Nassib was picking up McAdoo's offense better than Eli and that he should get a shot? Yeah it was silly then and even sillier now.
IF you want to make excuses for Nassib, stop with the "not much playing time" BS. This is his 3rd year in the O and he played the past 2 pre-seasons. At least go with the "Back-up O-line sucks" option.
about last night, and why you should never care about wins and losses in the pre-season. 2 years ago, when the Giants went 5-0 in the pre-season, it was plainly obvious the Giants starting unit was not as good as the starting unit they went against. But when it was time to bring in the backups/young guys/scrubs, the Giants scrubs were better than the other teams scrubs. Corey Washington got so much love because he was catching TDs against guys who were barely practice squad material, and the Giants were throwing to try to dig out of the hole the #1 units put them in.
Last night was the opposite. The Giants starting defense, particularly the DL was night and day from last year. Same with the starting OL. And the Giants didn't play Eli, OBJ, and Cruz. The first running play, Snacks and Hankins completely clogged up the middle, and JPP, Vernon, and a surprise with Double O showed a pass rush that we never got a hint from with George Selvie or Kerry Wynn. I'm ok in the pre-season if the guys who we expect to play look good, rather than the backups flashing against guys who weren't going to play for other teams. That's what led the Giants to the Ungas and Kuhns looking good against backups and then getting exposed when the real bullets fly.
Exactly! My only wish is that some back-up offensive lineman would have stood out last night. But that starting front 4 on defense stood out, big time! Whoa... they could be quite formidable this year with Hankins and Harrison clogging up the middle and JPP and Vernon crashing down from the ends.
I was surprised to see Bret Jones go in as the OC with the second team, since Shane McDermott has been taking the majority of snaps there in practice. Did McDermott even play at all? I couldn't tell.
good and much bigger then i remember at nd. goodson and perkins will be players but showed they are rookies.
thompson quiet game but thats ok from a saftey. apple and shepard both look to be ready for a ton of snaps.
behere and taylor looked like rookies. did bennet jackson get any snaps? dont recall seeing him out there.
whitlock looked better at fullback then last year. interested to see what combo of fb/te we go with. lots of options.
be interested in a vet qb getting cut. nassib completly lacked poise, he was crapping his pants in the firt presaeson game cant imagine how flustered he would be in a real start. plus his arm is just not there. cat throw to the sidelines with enough steam or get the ball down the feild. if he was in his first camp i would think it correctable but this is not. no reason to sign him to an extension after the season so cutting him is an option
interested that lewis saw so many early reps. ahead of white, harris,king,powe. they really gave him a look.
RE: They're going to have to groom another future QB
I had a massive shit-eating grin on my face watching the starting D last night.
Opening series a run for 0 yards, then Tannehill got smacked the next 2 drop backs.
Next series, again, OV + JPP all over him and we probably should've gotten a safety.
We've had the worst D in the league - the worst pass rush in the league - for so long. What a site for sore eyes. We are already putting some good film out there!
was due to lack of talent and how much was due to attempting to implement the techniques of Mike Solari. We should know by opening day whether Solari is an upgrade over Pat Flaherty who now coaches the OL for the 49'ers.
Looking forward to the brave soul that starts the next Cooper Taylor
after this season. Seems clear that Nassib isn't it.
Nassib was never that anyway -- that was made perfectly clear when they extended Manning.
He was and is here to be a back-up QB. Most of them aren't very good and/or only flash being so. Most fourth round picks don't even end up with that successful career path.
Nothing that happened last night changes anything other than maybe some fans' delusions about him being Aaron Rodgers 2.0.
RE: Looking forward to the brave soul that starts the next Cooper Taylor
The thing that jumped out at me is that he has no sense where his WR will be, even when it is not an "option" route. Everything is late. There were plays that could have been made if Nassib had gotten the ball out when he should have. The INT on the wheel route, had Nassib not held onto the ball so long it is a big gain. He allowed the DB to get back into the play and then underthrew the target. That ball needs to be over the outside shoulder towards the sideline.
RE: RE: Looking forward to the brave soul that starts the next Cooper Taylor
Hart is the only given and I thought he looked decent last night. Is he playing well enough to unseat Newhouse? That remains to be seen but he definitely looks like an NFL caliber lineman.
Gettis: Just awful, though he was playing center.
Any thoughts on the other backup OL?
Newhouse and Hart are both backup material right now...
I've said from the get-go this year that he's most likely a goner, and deservedly so.
Jimmy Googs, don't let Klaatu put you off the scent so easily ("my post had your name all over it Klaatu"--I was thinking the same, lol). Not to worry, Mykelle Thompson is next up in his touting of our next star at S position.
Just messing with you Klaatu
I was surprised to see Bret Jones go in as the OC with the second team, since Shane McDermott has been taking the majority of snaps there in practice. Did McDermott even play at all? I couldn't tell.
McDermott played a little and made a good block on a Perkins run. I think the Giants wanted to see some others. the OL backups are starting to sort themselves out. Hart Stingly (sp), McDermott, looked decent. Gettis and Jones were really bad. Hart may push Newhouse out.
I've said from the get-go this year that he's most likely a goner, and deservedly so.
Jimmy Googs, don't let Klaatu put you off the scent so easily ("my post had your name all over it Klaatu"--I was thinking the same, lol). Not to worry, Mykelle Thompson is next up in his touting of our next star at S position.
Just messing with you Klaatu
No worries. I'll defend the M. Thompson pick, and note how well he did in the spring last year (moving to the top of the depth chart), but there's no way he's going to unseat D. Thompson now that the rookie has made his presence known. As a backup, I hope Mykkele plays well if called upon, and I hope he's an asset on special teams, too.
the decision to start him was a wise one, even if he does turn out better than he showed last night. We needed a good look at him, and he obviously needed a spell of action, just to let him get an idea of how far he has to go.
based on what he has done in last year's pre-season games.
Maybe he had the "yips"? Rusty?
He has shown some good stuff in the past. Let's give him another game or 2 before hanging him.
I agree, you can't judge him for his play AFTER the 2nd string OL came in and he was under constant pressure. Plus, he clearly showed rust AND clearly showed he needs work with technique in that he uses his legs to get open but doesn't protect the ball.
Nassib's contract ends this year and if he does 30 to 50 "mop up" snaps this year in mid-4th quarters he likely won't get a deal from anyone else, at least not one as good as he could get from the Giants. Remember, he is more valuable to the Giants than he is to other teams (I believe...) because he's been here so long and knows the offense, the team, the coaches, etc. I'm hoping we overpay for him a bit and he stays one more year so long as he shows well next week and game 4.
Owa played very good, and I think that Eli Apple is going to be a great player. I also think that Sterling Shepherd is as advertised. Vernon, Snacks and JPP were all good, Casillas was very good also. Goodson flashed and also Perkins, I thought Williams looked good, he had trouble at reading the blocks as usual, but he is a guy that just may need more time and when he gets it, he may be very good, I would not give up on him at all. Geremy Davis looked Ok too. The big concern is the Oline and safety depth. Although Behre and the rest do need some time, they are like rookies. Hart was OK also, I would not rule out him starting over Newhouse just yet.
2nd O-line and beyond: Yikes
Nassib had a shite game, but it often looked like he was half a second away from getting sacked.
Leon McFadden sucks. Cooper Taylor pissed me off a few times.
Leon McFadden sucks. Cooper Taylor pissed me off a few times.
1st team defense.
Apple.
OO.
Okwara.
1st team OL, although Newhouse got blown up on one play with Williams.
Williams.
The bad:
Nassib. Screams to cut him are ridiculous, but he was admittedly awful. Yes, he played behind the second string OL, but he constantly underthrew receivers, and had no ball security. He made it hard to evaluate the WRs, which is critical given the competition between King, Lewis, and Powe.
Flowers was shaky in pass protection.
Gettis.
Jones.
Taylor.
Really surprised T. King didn't make a peep after how much he's done in camp.
Nah, that right side was leaky as hell. At times the left wasn't all that much better.
Starting units all looked good except OL. DL and receivers will be phenomenal. Good games for Apple, Shepard, Casillas, JPP, OV, OO, Milhouse, Coleman, and Perkins.
On the downside, Adams might win a roster spot if Berhe and Taylor don't improve. Hart might end up starting at RT if Newhouse doesn't improve. But the disappointing players were mostly backups or camp fodder.
Vereen
Darkwa (did you see him on special teams?)
Perkins
*** Williams as a sleeper for the PS - only 2 years experience it can happen. He wasn't terrible, it's just on Specials Darkwa played great. I guess health could play in.
Starting D was great. That was fun.
Wrs Davis, and Sheppard showed some thing.
Okwara really flashed he was the biggest surprise for me. I hope he can sustain that. If he does he will make the team. He's a big dude. I thought he was a DE.
Owa having a good game is also encouraging.
Backup OL was weak, Hart looked to be the strongest of the reserves and they ran right behind him.
It sounds like the Adams kid from UCONN had at least 1 nice play.
Nassib lost this game quite obviously. He was badly outplayed. Terrible ball security. Rainey clearly is no more then a training camp body and an injury policy. You can see why he was cut.
I don't see Cooper Taylor making this team. He didn't play well. I'm still waiting for Behre to do something special.
Wade is still Wade.
2. Apple: played well for the most part. He will definitely play a lot of snaps this year.
3. Thompson: nothing spectacular but played a lot and looked good overall.
4. Shepherd and Davis. I don't go for training camp hype but from what I saw tonight, Shepherd looked very good.
5. First team defense overall looked dominant.
6. Andre Williams looked a lot quicker.
7. OO showed some life tonight.
Meh:
1. The offensive playcalling. Seemed a little predictable. Obviously it's preseason but I thought Sullivan would be a little more creative.
2. The offensive line, especially the right side.
Negatives:
1. Nassib: looked like a camp fodder undrafted rookie free agent. Terrible performance.
2. Rainey: Let's hope Harris stays healthy because this guy cannot be the punt returner. Just by watching him approach the ball, I could tell he is going to having trouble catching it.
I saw Shepard open a couple of times and Ryan Nassib didn't see him. Wide Open!
Eli Apple is a baller
I saw depth on the D-line and guys seemed to me moving to the ball and stopping the run.
I would have liked to have seen the starting safeties tested more but from what banks was saying they had personal in the right spots...
Williams still runs with no vision. he had some physical runs but that goal line run needed to be bounced outside...I see no value in Rainey and if he continues to put balls on the ground..see ya
Perkins needs some more time, but I can see why they like him but you have to secure the football or you won't see playing time
2. Nat Berhe was unimpressive.
3. Beckham/Shepard could be a fun WR tandem to watch.
4. Ditto with the DE tandem of Vernon/JPP.
5. Nassib was poor, which is obvious, but his decision making is what was most alarming.
Williams stood out to me most on offense. He looks hungry to prove himself and in the best shape I've seen. I think he will surprise this year. Donnell is a bonehead, I didn't see anything from Lacose really. Tye will still be a very valuable short game weapon, I hope he can develop into a decent blocker.
OO took some weight of My chest showing he will be solid depth. Can't say the same outside of anyone other than Hart on the OL.
-Odi Owa looked good.
-Goodson I was hoping to perform better against other 2nd teamers.
-Perkins didn't do nearly as well as I hoped.
-Williams I still don't like for this offense. When he was in it was a run most of the time and looked predictable. He still seems to look for the guy to hit instead of the open field. Although he looked good on specials.
-Darkwa was good on specials too. Not really anywhere else though.
-Casillas looked very good against the run and pass. One interception after an almost interception.
-Vernon showing he wants to earn that paycheck
-JPP is looking to return to form
-Hankins and Snacks looked great clogging up the middle.
-Sheppard looked great. Great routes. Gets open. Too bad Nassib was throwing the ball to him.
-Nassib looked horrendous. WTF. Did he complete anything other than a slant. 2 interceptions that should have been at least 4. Plus a fumble.
-Hart looked pretty good on 2nd team but that doesn't make him ready for 1st team. I still have hope for him though.
-Adams I would have like to see more of.
-Donnell, yea I was never a fan.
-Wing, killing the deep punts and downing them with the 10 when possible. I really like Wing.
-Rainey still has fumblitis. Why was nobody else getting looks as a returner early on?
-Jennings looked good as the starter
-Vereen I noticed they put him in on 2nd down instead of just 3rd down. It was the 3rd down play that he got the big gain on though. I think he will be backing up/spelling Jennings as the #2 besides just the 3rd down back.
-Sullivan calling plays. Is McAdoo trying him out too? Did Coach just want to keep an eye on his players. Stay tuned.
-Duke control needs work. Way to many turnovers but most were by Nassib.
Did I miss anything?
Health was my biggest concern going into this season. Looks like they can't afford to lose anyone. If they stay healthy they could dominate on both sides of the ball. If they again beat the rest of the league in injuries it will be a long season.
Vereen
Darkwa (did you see him on special teams?)
Perkins
*** Williams as a sleeper for the PS - only 2 years experience it can happen. He wasn't terrible, it's just on Specials Darkwa played great. I guess health could play in.
Starting D was great. That was fun.
Wrs Davis, and Sheppard showed some thing.
Okwara really flashed he was the biggest surprise for me. I hope he can sustain that. If he does he will make the team. He's a big dude. I thought he was a DE.
Owa having a good game is also encouraging.
Backup OL was weak, Hart looked to be the strongest of the reserves and they ran right behind him.
It sounds like the Adams kid from UCONN had at least 1 nice play.
Nassib lost this game quite obviously. He was badly outplayed. Terrible ball security. Rainey clearly is no more then a training camp body and an injury policy. You can see why he was cut.
I don't see Cooper Taylor making this team. He didn't play well. I'm still waiting for Behre to do something special.
Wade is still Wade.
Jennings was the only RB that I thought was meh. Wiliams, Darkwa, Vereen and Perkins were better.
OC Jones - Canadian looked lost the one play he blocked no one. He needs a year on the PS to learn the NFL.
SS Behre - Not too sharp out there, got beat
FS Taylor - 4th season and I don't see any progress, first cut
OG Gettis - not good at all, needs work.
LT Flowers - got by but not as much growth as I'd hoped for?
Good:
RB Perkins
WR Shepard
OL First team was generally strong.
DL First team was very strong.
Giants coach Ben McAdoo left open the possibility that WR Victor Cruz (groin strain) could return to practice as early as Sunday.
Eli Apple: "Doing well. Feeling better. ... I'm not concerned" #Giants
I thought he had some nice runs. Nice cuts and ran over a couple of guys. Definitely looks improved from last year.
Yeah, Hart stoned his guy pretty well. Seemed to have good quick feet. But it was 2nd team. Newhouse didn't look so good.
He did. Let's be honest, Perkins should be receiving much venom for that fumble but he isn't.
I think TE W. Tye is "elevated" to first team TE because he can in fact block while TE Donnell is a liability. Sorry, but you have to protect Eli and you have to run the ball better. We have improved run blocking this year so lets use our run game, make it effective so things are easier to Eli.
He looked, quicker and more confident. In fact I didn't realize it was him running. Looked good to me.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
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I know I joke about it, but Louis Vasquez would be a great option. I don't know how much he's asking for, but he can definitely compete with John Jerry for the starting job. The loser can be the backup RG. Stingily looks fine at LT, McDermott looks fine at OC, but the rest of the O-Line is concerning, IMO.
OG Jerry is NOT the weakest link on the OL. The weak links are RT Robert Newhouse and LT Erek Flowers against edge speed rushers.
I think TE W. Tye is "elevated" to first team TE because he can in fact block while TE Donnell is a liability. Sorry, but you have to protect Eli and you have to run the ball better. We have improved run blocking this year so lets use our run game, make it effective so things are easier to Eli.
Jerry is not THE weakest link, but he is A weak link until proven otherwise.
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be ahead of Newhouse on the depth chart. Hart looked a hell of lot better than Newhouse at RT. And to be honest it wasn't even close.
Yeah, Hart stoned his guy pretty well. Seemed to have good quick feet. But it was 2nd team. Newhouse didn't look so good.
Both Newhouse and Hart played against Branch. Dolphins rested their starting DL.
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I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
Listen to Banks - that was on Newhouse. He didn't drive his man outside and he let the guy control in inside too. Piss poor blocking.
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be ahead of Newhouse on the depth chart. Hart looked a hell of lot better than Newhouse at RT. And to be honest it wasn't even close.
Yeah, Hart stoned his guy pretty well. Seemed to have good quick feet. But it was 2nd team. Newhouse didn't look so good.
Both Newhouse and Hart played against Branch. Dolphins rested their starting DL.
Thanks, if that was the case (thought Hart might have had 3rd team) then Hart played him better.
I'm just hoping if there are any reports on the injured tomorrow that they aren't more than "he's a little sore, may rest him a day or two" kind of thing. That is always the worst with pre-season games: the injury bug.
Goals for next pre-season game: better continuity from second teamers.
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be ahead of Newhouse on the depth chart. Hart looked a hell of lot better than Newhouse at RT. And to be honest it wasn't even close.
Yeah, Hart stoned his guy pretty well. Seemed to have good quick feet. But it was 2nd team. Newhouse didn't look so good.
Both Newhouse and Hart played against Branch. Dolphins rested their starting DL.
Thanks, if that was the case (thought Hart might have had 3rd team) then Hart played him better.
I believe Branch got much of the 1st half. Newhouse got 1st quarter and Hart 2nd and 3rd quarter. Gase wanted to get a look at his 2nd unit particularly on the D line.
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I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
Listen to Banks - that was on Newhouse. He didn't drive his man outside and he let the guy control in inside too. Piss poor blocking.
Banks was right about that play, but for much of the night I felt that ol' Carl and I were watching two different games.
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I thought Andre Williams looked good, but a couple of posters above don't agree.
I thought he did too, except for the play where he got stuffed trying beat the defender the to edge on the right side. I know Banks got on Newhouse for that one, but I thought if Williams made a quick cut to the inside, there would have been some daylight instead of a TFL.
Listen to Banks - that was on Newhouse. He didn't drive his man outside and he let the guy control in inside too. Piss poor blocking.
Banks was right about that play, but for much of the night I felt that ol' Carl and I were watching two different games.
If the Giants ran a power run game type of offense I'd be all for Williams. He's not a receiving threat (major caveat for a RB in a WCO), he played more like he wanted to hit someone instead of finding the open field, and the plays he's in for feel predictable.
2. What does that have to do with Carl Banks and the overall game? It's not just that one play.
If we start 3-0 as I believe we will, then 7-6 is very much doable. 9-4 possible if we stayed really healthy, especially the OL, OBJ, Eli, DL and CB's.
This defense will be much better than most realize due to DL, CB's and nickel defense / four aces.
The Achilles heal on offense is RT followed by LT (pass protection vs speed) right now. On defense, we could use a MLB like Ray Lewis (LOL!) but hey we ain't that bad with run stuffer Brinkley. Sunday's practice will reveal the depth chart better I think.
like Bob Timberlake or something .I think that set the
tone . Even the Nice catch by Shepard was late and a nice
play arrow pointing up .
Nice first drive but if Miami had there starters in we
may have been shut Out .
We really need at least two more Vet O-line men we have
Zero Depth and Newhouse is what we thought a backup .
Owa had a nice game and Apple was allover the place .
Davis looked good as well I think he is gonna be a good
starter .Millhouse and Okwara showed some signs .
Of course there was a Freak TD it's a Giant thing .
First cuts shouldn't be too difficult ...
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2. What does that have to do with Carl Banks and the overall game? It's not just that one play.
1. He worked on it last year to. In camp this year he is still catching with his body and not his hands. If he learns to catch and proves it, I'll enjoy the crow.
2. Original post was about Williams. I should have picked a different post to reply to instead of just the most recent one. I didn't compare my thoughts to Banks' comments. Otherwise my criticism is not just on that one play. I do think he was good on specials.
Pass the koolaid over. Seriously though, that first team defense looked incredible, we have Eli, we have Odell, and we have the same offense returning + shep and perkins. We don't need the best defense, we just need a middle of the road defense to get us into the playoffs. I think we got that and then some.
Naasib always has been and continues to be a bum. There were so many better ways to expend those draft resources. Spilt milk.
Also depth is sometimes difficult to judge when you substitute an entire unit. Giants have lacked depth for years but I wouldn't t conclude the same is true this season based solely on tonight
2nd O-line and beyond: Yikes
Nassib had a shite game, but it often looked like he was half a second away from getting sacked.
Exactly!
Naasib always has been and continues to be a bum. There were so many better ways to expend those draft resources. Spilt milk.
OL depth is really scary.
As for Safety, Cooper Taylor came crashing down on one run to the right; didn't gather himself properly; and whiffed on the play which went for 20+ yards. Ugh.
Gettis and Jones were really bad last night - 2nd line was awful. Hart looked good, Stingily was ok....
They'll only keep 8 or 9.
Gettis and Jones were really bad last night - 2nd line was awful. Hart looked good, Stingily was ok....
They'll only keep 8 or 9.
True... but, did you see our first string right tackle try to seal off the end early in game. It was downright scary. And then our guy got jack hammered into the backfield which blew up a run play to the right. Our starting right tackle is a below-grade starter in the NFL... and that's being very generous. If the Giants have an Achilles heel this year, it's gonna be the offensive line.
Makes no sense to go into the "win now" year with an offensive line that's got more holes than a The Old West Side Hgwy.
So we draft to a position of strength with Apple (and pass on Tunsil), we sign a free agent CB. All well and good, IF the oline didn't have such great needs.
These guys are too sharp for that, something will change before the opening bell.
1. QB Nassib - this guy has never played a real NFL game as a starting #1 QB. He is a rookie on "steroids" if you will since he's been around the playbook, camps, OTA's. I expect he'll show better next wwek.
2. OL Backups - OC Brett Jones, OG Gettis really did not look good and it showed. Jones clearly needs a season on the PS. Not sure about RT Hart or J. Rodgers based on what I can see on TV only.
3. Safety - Behre, Taylor not so good.
The thing is most of these plays seemed correctable technique issues so we have a little time. The most important thing about last night is we didn't have any major injuries.
Sunday's 13th practice will tell us a lot about the future make-up of this team as positions begin to be shored up more and more.
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Leon McFadden sucks. Cooper Taylor pissed me off a few times.
OC Brett Jones looked terrible as did OG Gettis. I mean, the whole 2nd and 3rd team OL struggled more often than not.
Has Jones ever looked good.
Very exciting!!! Really looking forward to a D-line that can both destroy the inside run game and crash down on the QB from both ends. Wow... we could have something really special here.
2. Nat Berhe was unimpressive.
3. Beckham/Shepard could be a fun WR tandem to watch.
4. Ditto with the DE tandem of Vernon/JPP.
5. Nassib was poor, which is obvious, but his decision making is what was most alarming.
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Odighizuwa and Okwara seemed very active as reserve DE's.
Leon McFadden sucks. Cooper Taylor pissed me off a few times.
OC Brett Jones looked terrible as did OG Gettis. I mean, the whole 2nd and 3rd team OL struggled more often than not.
Has Jones ever looked good.
I think he makes it through cuts and ends up on the PS where he will learn another year. He has the heart, strength, smart and so forth just needs the technique work. Also, I think he is strictly an OC moreso than an OG.
But to date, he hasn't show anything worthy of a roster spot.
Last night was the opposite. The Giants starting defense, particularly the DL was night and day from last year. Same with the starting OL. And the Giants didn't play Eli, OBJ, and Cruz. The first running play, Snacks and Hankins completely clogged up the middle, and JPP, Vernon, and a surprise with Double O showed a pass rush that we never got a hint from with George Selvie or Kerry Wynn. I'm ok in the pre-season if the guys who we expect to play look good, rather than the backups flashing against guys who weren't going to play for other teams. That's what led the Giants to the Ungas and Kuhns looking good against backups and then getting exposed when the real bullets fly.
IF you want to make excuses for Nassib, stop with the "not much playing time" BS. This is his 3rd year in the O and he played the past 2 pre-seasons. At least go with the "Back-up O-line sucks" option.
Last night was the opposite. The Giants starting defense, particularly the DL was night and day from last year. Same with the starting OL. And the Giants didn't play Eli, OBJ, and Cruz. The first running play, Snacks and Hankins completely clogged up the middle, and JPP, Vernon, and a surprise with Double O showed a pass rush that we never got a hint from with George Selvie or Kerry Wynn. I'm ok in the pre-season if the guys who we expect to play look good, rather than the backups flashing against guys who weren't going to play for other teams. That's what led the Giants to the Ungas and Kuhns looking good against backups and then getting exposed when the real bullets fly.
Exactly! My only wish is that some back-up offensive lineman would have stood out last night. But that starting front 4 on defense stood out, big time! Whoa... they could be quite formidable this year with Hankins and Harrison clogging up the middle and JPP and Vernon crashing down from the ends.
thompson quiet game but thats ok from a saftey. apple and shepard both look to be ready for a ton of snaps.
behere and taylor looked like rookies. did bennet jackson get any snaps? dont recall seeing him out there.
whitlock looked better at fullback then last year. interested to see what combo of fb/te we go with. lots of options.
be interested in a vet qb getting cut. nassib completly lacked poise, he was crapping his pants in the firt presaeson game cant imagine how flustered he would be in a real start. plus his arm is just not there. cat throw to the sidelines with enough steam or get the ball down the feild. if he was in his first camp i would think it correctable but this is not. no reason to sign him to an extension after the season so cutting him is an option
interested that lewis saw so many early reps. ahead of white, harris,king,powe. they really gave him a look.
I do believe the Giants would be stupid not to draft a QB they value if their value board merits him and he is on the board when they pick 32nd. :)
They say you are often only as good as your backup QB. Ask Dallas.
Opening series a run for 0 yards, then Tannehill got smacked the next 2 drop backs.
Next series, again, OV + JPP all over him and we probably should've gotten a safety.
We've had the worst D in the league - the worst pass rush in the league - for so long. What a site for sore eyes. We are already putting some good film out there!
We're back.
A disgrace to the #60
Scared to think we ever have to play Nassib.
The 1st team look good. I am pleased this AM.
He is awful...
Nassib was never that anyway -- that was made perfectly clear when they extended Manning.
He was and is here to be a back-up QB. Most of them aren't very good and/or only flash being so. Most fourth round picks don't even end up with that successful career path.
Nothing that happened last night changes anything other than maybe some fans' delusions about him being Aaron Rodgers 2.0.
I may start one just to show you that I fear NOTHING!
Then again, maybe not. He looked like doo-doo last night.
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I may start one just to show you that I fear NOTHING!
Then again, maybe not. He looked like doo-doo last night.
My post had your name all over it Klaatu...
:-)
i keep forgetting that smiley guy trick you taught me...
Gettis: Just awful, though he was playing center.
Any thoughts on the other backup OL?
Yep
It's week 1 of preseason. Hopefully he gets the rust off. They need insurance with this OL.
Just messing with you Klaatu
Maybe he had the "yips"? Rusty?
He has shown some good stuff in the past. Let's give him another game or 2 before hanging him.
McDermott played a little and made a good block on a Perkins run. I think the Giants wanted to see some others. the OL backups are starting to sort themselves out. Hart Stingly (sp), McDermott, looked decent. Gettis and Jones were really bad. Hart may push Newhouse out.
As a 2 down LB I agree. I was concerned about his pass coverage.
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I've said from the get-go this year that he's most likely a goner, and deservedly so.
Jimmy Googs, don't let Klaatu put you off the scent so easily ("my post had your name all over it Klaatu"--I was thinking the same, lol). Not to worry, Mykelle Thompson is next up in his touting of our next star at S position.
Just messing with you Klaatu
No worries. I'll defend the M. Thompson pick, and note how well he did in the spring last year (moving to the top of the depth chart), but there's no way he's going to unseat D. Thompson now that the rookie has made his presence known. As a backup, I hope Mykkele plays well if called upon, and I hope he's an asset on special teams, too.
Maybe he had the "yips"? Rusty?
He has shown some good stuff in the past. Let's give him another game or 2 before hanging him.
Nassib's contract ends this year and if he does 30 to 50 "mop up" snaps this year in mid-4th quarters he likely won't get a deal from anyone else, at least not one as good as he could get from the Giants. Remember, he is more valuable to the Giants than he is to other teams (I believe...) because he's been here so long and knows the offense, the team, the coaches, etc. I'm hoping we overpay for him a bit and he stays one more year so long as he shows well next week and game 4.