Nassib

UUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGLLLLLLYYYYYYYY!

I was looking forward to another underthrown pass from Nassib to him down the right sideline.

play a lot better in the past.
No worries...yet.

When he came in a be played? I passed out from an exhausting week of work around the half.

In comment 13069042 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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When he came in a be played? I passed out from an exhausting week of work around the half.

Like a TE playing QB. Maybe he and Donnell should reverse roles.

Most of his mistakes were underthrows.....

He would have had a GREAT night if he lead Shepard....who was open several times.

Shepard move in the end zone was sweet....freaking QB couldn't throw a 20 yard fade.....

anybody gets to look at the tape...

He did not look so good with the first stringers......he badly overthrew Shepard on a post....the great catch the Shepard made was on a poorly thrown ball, and aside from looking good on some slants he had happy feet even with the first team OL in the game.......Very disappointing performance

In comment 13069042 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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When he came in a be played? I passed out from an exhausting week of work around the half.

It was really hard to judge Thomas because they mostly ran the ball when he was in but nothing stood out other than the fact that we all have to thank God for Eli and his durability.

bad decisions, terrible ball security, jumpy in the pocket, bad handle on the exchange, etc.

That said, it's pretty comical to read people lose their shit in the game thread after one preseason game and completely dismiss Nassib.

Chicken Little type shit. You know who you are. Relax.

In comment 13069042 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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When he came in a be played? I passed out from an exhausting week of work around the half.

I think the Giants signed Logan Thomas to mimic scrabbling quarterbacks during scrimmages. If he stays on the roster, this will be his role. In college, his ratio of TDs to INTs was not good, but he showed that he's mobile and can run it in on his own. As an aside, despite his limitations, he's better than Tebow.

for the last several seasons. But they're keeping Thomas to mimic mobile QBs during practice? Come on.

He played poorly . No question. But the receivers were even more awful. You have to get a step on the DB in man routes or you're useless to your QB. On the 2 batted balls Ryan got caught in between under throwing on purpose & simply throwing it beyond the DB, which means having it sail out of bounds.

He delivered 2 crisp passes on in cuts when he received a little help. What was evident last night is that besides their first three wides, the Giants have nothing but training-camp, flag-football All-Stars. And against a team that had one of the most porous secondaries in the league last season., although they made changes.

If Coughlin were still coaching , this board would be lit up today with the same ole. 5 guys hurt. 2's can't play, etc. Doesnt look to me like much has changed except for the addition of some millennial- soothing cool music.

I sat through the whole steamy affair. The first team D played well and the first offensive line run blocked well , especially in close. The stats were padded by a magnificent run that was all Vereen, however. Lastly, this was against the Dolphins, who might have one of the five least talented teams in the NFL.

Next Sat should be interesting. Ryan is letting it all hang out in his last go-around as an NFL HC. Should be fun.

of pressure from the defensive line and blitzers. Eli is able to avoid defenders by moving left or right as needed. Nassib doesn't seem to be able to judge pressure while looking downfield and when he senses a leakage in the offensive line, instead of moving to avoid it, he pulls it down and takes off. David Carr was the same way and it used to drive me nuts. Good quarterbacks are able to stay in the pocket and move to avoid pressure while continuing to look downfield (Brady and Eli are particularly good at this), whereas average to mediocre quarterbacks lack this ability.

In comment 13069060 NewBlue said:

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He did not look so good with the first stringers......he badly overthrew Shepard on a post....the great catch the Shepard made was on a poorly thrown ball, and aside from looking good on some slants he had happy feet even with the first team OL in the game.......Very disappointing performance

Am closer to NewBlue than BBDTS's assessment of playing with the 1s. But as B says, we can all panic, or not. Have we forgotten 2015 Exhibition season when Nassib was throwing lasers on target all over the place and looked good, so much so that a few posters were saying he should supplant Eli, who had some meh outings in Ex.

That said, I'm with George from PA's view about him throwing harder in the past; as said, he was capable of 15 - 25 yard lasers. But the difference last night may have had more to do with the routes and timing than any loss in velocity, maybe?

Retro Jint's comments worthy of consideration too...

In comment 13069110 RetroJint said:

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He played poorly . No question. But the receivers were even more awful. You have to get a step on the DB in man routes or you're useless to your QB. On the 2 batted balls Ryan got caught in between under throwing on purpose & simply throwing it beyond the DB, which means having it sail out of bounds. He delivered 2 crisp passes on in cuts when he received a little help. What was evident last night is that besides their first three wides, the Giants have nothing but training-camp, flag-football All-Stars. And against a team that had one of the most porous secondaries in the league last season., although they made changes. If Coughlin were still coaching , this board would be lit up today with the same ole. 5 guys hurt. 2's can't play, etc. Doesnt look to me like much has changed except for the addition of some millennial- soothing cool music. I sat through the whole steamy affair. The first team D played well and the first offensive line run blocked well , especially in close. The stats were padded by a magnificent run that was all Vereen, however. Lastly, this was against the Dolphins, who might have one of the five least talented teams in the NFL. Next Sat should be interesting. Ryan is letting it all hang out in his last go-around as an NFL HC. Should be fun.

Can you move on already and stop comparing everything to Coughlin? Thanks.

And think about how Eli played like crap for stretches when he was young. 2 quarters of mediocre play means nothing

Nassib didn't adjust to pressure while still keeping his eyes on the receivers. Under pressure most of the night, he was as skittish as ever. With a dependable 1st-string line, we'd get a better idea of his ability. A couple of bad passes early in the game aren't enough to draw a valid conclusion.

...with Eli in place for the foreseeable future those draft resources would have been more wisely spent elsewhere on the roster.

Eli is one play away from going down. That was true 4 years ago and it's true today.

We all know if Eli goes down there will be no championship. That's the case for 90+% of the NFL. Improve the team around Eli. Screw whoever his backup might be.

And he knew it by the end of the game. There are many reasons why he may have been, like being only two weeks into camp, and everyone can have a bad game, (Heaven knows Eli has!) but I think the Giants need to start thinking about the future and grooming a different QB.

Some of the throws and decisions he made were just horrendous.

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Nassib has NEVER EVER looked like a guy who could be a starting QB in this league. If he did, then teams would have been offering picks for him already.

Yes, if Eli goes down the season is over. Nassib is also not the answer as a replacement for Eli when he retires. So, we need to begin keeping an eye out for our future starter in a couple of years.

BTW, another reason why it is important to have a dominant running game.

But in all seriousness, I've never agreed with the perceived value of a backup QB as an insurance policy on a franchise quarterback. For better or for worse, if Eli/Rodgers/Brady/Romo/etc go down then here is no realistic backup in football that can be expected to consistently put that particular team in a position to win. It's simply the reality of having an offense, and arguably a team, built around a franchise quarterback. In my opinion, the incremental difference in a top flight backup and fodder like Logan Thomas is not nearly wide enough to turn wins into losses and justify the monetary and draft resources commanded by the backup.

In comment 13069228 BurberryManning said:

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But in all seriousness, I've never agreed with the perceived value of a backup QB as an insurance policy on a franchise quarterback. For better or for worse, if Eli/Rodgers/Brady/Romo/etc go down then here is no realistic backup in football that can be expected to consistently put that particular team in a position to win. It's simply the reality of having an offense, and arguably a team, built around a franchise quarterback. In my opinion, the incremental difference in a top flight backup and fodder like Logan Thomas is not nearly wide enough to turn wins into losses and justify the monetary and draft resources commanded by the backup.

Uh, but in the past plenty of teams HAVE had decent backup QB's, including the Giants. David Carr comes to mind. And let's not forget about a guy named Hostetler. How about Steve Young backing up Montana? Aaron Rodgers?

Sorry, don't buy it.

He had poor preseason performances too (Nassib actually eerily reminded me of him last night) and whenever he got non-garbage time PT or was in a real competition with another QB some place else (SFO, Carolina), he bombed.

He's not the guy to point to as a great back-up at all. There's probably no negative difference between what he would have given the Giants back then and what Nassib would now -- there might even be a positive, without much praise being given to the latter.

The Giants aren't a good enough team for people to worry this much about back-up QBs anyway. They haven't been able to win with a top 10 QB for years now; they're not likely suddenly going to be okay to survive without one now, even with a lot of overall improvement.

In comment 13069224 EricJ said:

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Yes, if Eli goes down the season is over. Nassib is also not the answer as a replacement for Eli when he retires. So, we need to begin keeping an eye out for our future starter in a couple of years.

Eric: After last preseason, Nassib played well enough where a lot of posters here seemed ready to at least consider him as a possible successor to Eli. I read many posts to that affect.
I'm just saying to give Nassib another game or 2 before we decide he's useless.

Carr never looked as bad as Nassib did last night when Carr was playing for the Giants. And often he didn't look bad at all.

In comment 13069197 Torrag said:

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...with Eli in place for the foreseeable future those draft resources would have been more wisely spent elsewhere on the roster.

It's not that has not very good. He's shown us that he has the tools and can make the throws. It's about consistency...And to be consistent you need tons of reps. Especially live ones against another team.

I think he had some major nerves last night ( being the starter with all eyes on him) , that he couldn't overcome. That was evident with the first ball he overthrough to Shepard. I think he got into his head, way to much, thus chucking the under throws, shortly after.

He'll be fine. I'm sure we'll see better games from him, in the weeks ahead.

In comment 13069263 mrvax said:

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Eric: After last preseason, Nassib played well enough where a lot of posters here seemed ready to at least consider him as a possible successor to Eli. I read many posts to that affect. I'm just saying to give Nassib another game or 2 before we decide he's useless.

I never agreed with those posters. They did not know WTF they were watching. I don't need another game or two before calling it like I see it. I hated the pick when we made it and said that I would keep an open mind about it. I did and now my mind is made up.

The guy is not an accurate passer. He looks uncomfortable under center taking snaps. His release and mechanics are poor. These are things that cannot be changed by playing two more games.

After this season, we move on and find someone else.

they had to waste a 4th on a QB who would be gone after 4 years..Made no sense then and certainly not now. Did the Giants really draft him because they thought an ironman like Eli would suddenly lose it or get injured? Just a terrible decision, imv. This year? Sure, if a good QB is there, take him, but 4 years ago was absurd imo..And no, losing out on another player other than Nassib, was not going to change our fortunes all that much, imv. I just don't believe it helped at all..

In comment 13069277 Big Blue '56 said:

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they had to waste a 4th on a QB who would be gone after 4 years..Made no sense then and certainly not now. Did the Giants really draft him because they thought an ironman like Eli would suddenly lose it or get injured? Just a terrible decision, imv. This year? Sure, if a good QB is there, take him, but 4 years ago was absurd imo..And no, losing out on another player other than Nassib, was not going to change our fortunes all that much, imv. I just don't believe it helped at all..

not just a 4th, it was a trade up to get him, I believe it cost a 6th too.

it's pre-season game #1 though. you wouldn't know it by some reactions, not just here, but some of my Dolphins fan friends (ok one). he was ecstatic about their 3rd stringers.

looked good with the first OL. He missed an open Shepard down the seam for a TD, and the TD drive was set up by a spectacular catch by Shepard. The only throws Nassib appears to be able to make we're slants, and even on those, he often failed to lead his WR.

I think the Giants should look at the waiver wire for a vet QB with starting experience to back up Eli. I certainly don't trust Nassib if Eli goes down. And to those who say we're toast if Eli goes down anyway, that's true if it's for 5 or 6 games or more, but what if he is out for 3 or 4? You need a guy who can at least get you a win or two, and I have zero confidence that Nassib is that guy.

In comment 13069301 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13069277 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: they had to waste a 4th on a QB who would be gone after 4 years..Made no sense then and certainly not now. Did the Giants really draft him because they thought an ironman like Eli would suddenly lose it or get injured? Just a terrible decision, imv. This year? Sure, if a good QB is there, take him, but 4 years ago was absurd imo..And no, losing out on another player other than Nassib, was not going to change our fortunes all that much, imv. I just don't believe it helped at all.. not just a 4th, it was a trade up to get him, I believe it cost a 6th too. it's pre-season game #1 though. you wouldn't know it by some reactions, not just here, but some of my Dolphins fan friends (ok one). he was ecstatic about their 3rd stringers.

Good catch. Forgot about the pick for a tradeup and NO, my thoughts on the Nassib pick have always been constant. It's pre-season, I don't make genuine assessments on players during this time..It was about the pick, far more than his skillset..

In comment 13069326 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13069301 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13069277 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: they had to waste a 4th on a QB who would be gone after 4 years..Made no sense then and certainly not now. Did the Giants really draft him because they thought an ironman like Eli would suddenly lose it or get injured? Just a terrible decision, imv. This year? Sure, if a good QB is there, take him, but 4 years ago was absurd imo..And no, losing out on another player other than Nassib, was not going to change our fortunes all that much, imv. I just don't believe it helped at all.. not just a 4th, it was a trade up to get him, I believe it cost a 6th too. it's pre-season game #1 though. you wouldn't know it by some reactions, not just here, but some of my Dolphins fan friends (ok one). he was ecstatic about their 3rd stringers. Good catch. Forgot about the pick for a tradeup and NO, my thoughts on the Nassib pick have always been constant. It's pre-season, I don't make genuine assessments on players during this time..It was about the pick, far more than his skillset..

agree 100%, the timing just never added up for Nassib to replace Eli and it made a lot more sense to sign a veteran as Eli injury insurance.

My best guess was Reese saw some of the QB trades, felt like Nassib was good value and thought he could flip him for better than a 4th at some point, otherwise I never understood the pick.

and just put on a preseason game, you would have thought...
he looks like a rookie back there. A QB in his 4th year,
very underwhelming to say the least.
They are fortunate that Eli has been durable around here,
that doesn't happen too often in this league.
One play he rolls out to the right, and he is just sitting
out there, throw the fucking ball or run, pick one!
That was the play, the defensive player came from behind,
and knocked the ball out. He has no touch on long corner
routes, throw towards the sidelines, not inside, geez.
I think they should start thinking about a veteran to bring
in here. Logan Thomas is not even a QB in my book.

My best guess was Reese saw some of the QB trades, felt like Nassib was good value and thought he could flip him for better than a 4th at some point, otherwise I never understood the pick. [/quote]I don't think moving up for QB R. Nassib was necessarily a "bad move" given our draft board at that moment in time. You are only as good as your back-up QB, or so they say, and if Eli had been hurt the hope was R. Nassib could step in and manage the team and get you some W's instead of the usual L's backups bring.

In hindsight was he necessarily a good choice at #4 plus a pick to move up? Maybe not unless he has to step in for six games this year and win us them with his legs and arm, a style defenses are not accustomed to vs the Giants since Eli is a pure pocket passer. We just don't know and I pray won't ever know how good (or bad) this kid truly is (or isn't) since he never had to play with the first team at practice all week and start a real NFL game.

and a preseason one at that, so get off his case. He showed reasonable poise with the first Oline, and played less well under pressure. Based on previous seasons, he did not at all play up to form, but it was a practice, and it looked like the coaches deliberately left him in there to allow him to refine his respond to pressure skills. Now there will be plenty of film, for the staff to use to point out things that must be worked on. "Ryan, running with the ball loose out in one hand is courting disaster, etc.,etc., etc."

He was awful. But can we at least wait until the end of the preseason before condemning him forever? He's played well in past preseasons. And he's going to be the backup this year.

In comment 13069228 BurberryManning said:

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But in all seriousness, I've never agreed with the perceived value of a backup QB as an insurance policy on a franchise quarterback. For better or for worse, if Eli/Rodgers/Brady/Romo/etc go down then here is no realistic backup in football that can be expected to consistently put that particular team in a position to win. It's simply the reality of having an offense, and arguably a team, built around a franchise quarterback. In my opinion, the incremental difference in a top flight backup and fodder like Logan Thomas is not nearly wide enough to turn wins into losses and justify the monetary and draft resources commanded by the backup.

No way bud! It's only one preseason game with backups. He'll be better next game. Can't get any worse. The sky is not falling.

And never disavow the Cuse! Bleed orange.

but will certainly be watching Nassib the next few games. I thought he looked good last preseason.

Drafting Nassib: I remember Jerry Reese partially justifying the Nassib pick by saying the value the Giants had on Nassib by the 4th round was just too great for them to pass up the opportunity.