JPP is solid. OV is an absolute stud and seems to be as advertised. I LOVED the push from hankins and harrison. it really looked awesome to see not only some pressure and pocket push from the middle but also was nice to see those big bodies clog up some holes. Behind the starters we have OO who looked awesome considering its his first action in about a year considering he missed all of his rookie campaign. Bromley showed some positive things last season so once healthy no reason to believe he cannot be at least a servicable backup. We have seen what wynn can do so he makes a solid 4th DE but look out for some other guys including UDFAs like okwara and rose. at DT millhouse looked okay and nix also seems to be a solid backup so we have some options. It isnt the deepest unit on the team but that starting 4 with OO and Bromley being first two off the bench is pretty solid
Way too early to tell. Early results promising. But we are very thin at DT. Bromley missing all of camp really sucks.
Whom did we have at backup tackle that was worth poop in 2007? Alford? Yeah we saw how well he filled in when we really needed him in 2008... We had more depth at DE with Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, and Tolly besides the legend, Strahan.
Too early to tell indeed but the top 5 DL at this moment look to me to be stronger than the 2007 group - but as yet it's only 5 guys.
Praying on Bromley's return, Milhouse's emergence or one of the recent FA pickups, and Okwara for now.
But give me left to right JPP, Snacks, Hank, and OV anytime. Keep in mind that wasn't vintage prime Strahan in 2007... nobody was doubling him by then. And IMO Snacks and Hank are an upgrade over Robbins and Cofield, and I was a huge Robbins fan. OV may well be better than Osi was, especially vs the run.
RE: I was pleasantly surprised by OO to the point where I may have Â
because without backups, they will be gassed by the fourth quarter....I fear Spags may overuse the starters, because there is such a drop off after them....
RE: I was pleasantly surprised by OO to the point where I may have Â
I will give you Snacks but not Hank. Hank has a lot to prove. He had one good year and that was a couple of years ago. He has to produce becauss he isn't goijg to have a better supporting cast than he has now. Honestly, as of now, I don't know if we re-sign him. I think JPP will be our number one priority and we just may let that other DT position figire itself put for next year. As of today, Hankins is pur guy. I just think management wants to see kore put of him than he has given us recently.
because without backups, they will be gassed by the fourth quarter....I fear Spags may overuse the starters, because there is such a drop off after them....
Without backups? What do you think Odiguizuwa, Okwara, and Wynn are? Bromley, Millhouse, Nix?
Regardless, starters don't get "overused." They stay on the field as much as possible because they're the best at what they do. It's not this defense getting three-and-outs that should concern you. It's this offense avoiding them that should.
due to injury. The year before he did just fine, imv
But he wasn't that good when he played last year. Most people think a player's development is always linear as they will always build off their last year. Players do take a step back. Hankins was one of those players. Hopefully he returns to be the player he was at his best. Our DL would be amazing. When he came on he was a little bit of an unknown. Nobody thought of him as a guy who could get to the QB. That was a pleasant surprise but with that success came higher expectations and more attention from opposing teams. With Vernon, Snacks, Odi, and JPP I don't know how many double teams he will see. I would say almost none in the passing game unless the pass is coming out quicker than the edge guys can get there to keep the pocket there for the QB with a 1 or 3 step drop. Or a particular run play that calls for the e tech to get doubled. I don't think he will be getting special attention becauae of who he is. So, imo, he will have more than enough opportunities to prove his worth.
As much as we would all love to keep our team together we know that there is a cap and tough decisions have to be made. Imo, JPP, Pugh, Richburg, and Beckham are much bigger priorities than Hankins right now. Those players have to be factored into the salary cap first before offering Hankins a deal. I am not saying we sign those players before him but we need to have ball park figures. Plus, you have to factor in other positions like RB. Jennings' contract is up after this year. What if nobody else steps up? You will have to address the position. Do you waste a draft pick at the position or do you go out and sign a vet?
The only way you bypass these thoughts is if Hankins lights the world on fire which is a great problem to have. But even then he could demand too much money if that is the case. I like big Hank but I wouldn't put him in the category of being a must-sign.
I said this in another thread, but Okwara certainly looks the part. I thought I was watching Deacon Jones out there...the kid his HUGE, and he's only 21. I'm really looking forward to seeing him on the field again, and hopefully against stiffer competition so we can better gauge his effectiveness.
RE: it is funny how we expect our 4 to put pressure Â
You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a little fucked up maybe. It's funny how? It's funny, like it's a clown? It amuses you? It's make you laugh? It's here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?
RE: RE: it is funny how we expect our 4 to put pressure Â
You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a little fucked up maybe. It's funny how? It's funny, like it's a clown? It amuses you? It's make you laugh? It's here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?
I dought you sed I'm all right, Spider!
RE: RE: Robbie, in fairness, Hankins was out a lot of last year Â
due to injury. The year before he did just fine, imv
But he wasn't that good when he played last year. Most people think a player's development is always linear as they will always build off their last year. Players do take a step back. Hankins was one of those players. Hopefully he returns to be the player he was at his best. Our DL would be amazing. When he came on he was a little bit of an unknown. Nobody thought of him as a guy who could get to the QB. That was a pleasant surprise but with that success came higher expectations and more attention from opposing teams. With Vernon, Snacks, Odi, and JPP I don't know how many double teams he will see. I would say almost none in the passing game unless the pass is coming out quicker than the edge guys can get there to keep the pocket there for the QB with a 1 or 3 step drop. Or a particular run play that calls for the e tech to get doubled. I don't think he will be getting special attention becauae of who he is. So, imo, he will have more than enough opportunities to prove his worth.
As much as we would all love to keep our team together we know that there is a cap and tough decisions have to be made. Imo, JPP, Pugh, Richburg, and Beckham are much bigger priorities than Hankins right now. Those players have to be factored into the salary cap first before offering Hankins a deal. I am not saying we sign those players before him but we need to have ball park figures. Plus, you have to factor in other positions like RB. Jennings' contract is up after this year. What if nobody else steps up? You will have to address the position. Do you waste a draft pick at the position or do you go out and sign a vet?
The only way you bypass these thoughts is if Hankins lights the world on fire which is a great problem to have. But even then he could demand too much money if that is the case. I like big Hank but I wouldn't put him in the category of being a must-sign.
Otoh, Snacks may elevate Hankins to top notch status..
RE: I was pleasantly surprised by OO to the point where I may have Â
If you want to learn his full name and pronunciation it's:
Owamagbe Odighizuwa
Pronounced: Oh' wah mahg bee Oh' diggy ZOO wah
It's a mouthful. Everyone will have it down by the end of the year like they did with Ositadimma "Osi" Umenyiora. Just takes a little practice and hearing it enough. I'm surprised how well the announcers can roll Odighizuwa off their tongues already....at least they've got down his last name.
RE: RE: I'm liking this Okwara kid more and more Â
I'm really looking forward to seeing him on the field again, and hopefully against stiffer competition so we can better gauge his effectiveness.
No doubt. He'll get his chance. I remember seeing him in there with the 1s on occasion in some of the practices. I'd also like to see how he looks in the middle in the 4-Aces with Kennard at LB as a potential 5th pass rusher.
I will give you Snacks but not Hank. Hank has a lot to prove. He had one good year and that was a couple of years ago. He has to produce becauss he isn't goijg to have a better supporting cast than he has now. Honestly, as of now, I don't know if we re-sign him. I think JPP will be our number one priority and we just may let that other DT position figire itself put for next year. As of today, Hankins is pur guy. I just think management wants to see kore put of him than he has given us recently.
Robbie I wrote "too early to tell" and agree 100% Little Hank has a ton to prove - I've posted several times this off-season that he's really an unknown...
Having said that right now after what 4-5 Miami 3 and outs? I am drinking the kool-ade. If Hank returns to being the BEST of what he was in 2014, and OO expands on what he did the other night, oh my...
I think JPP and OV will be THE BEST bookend 4-3 DEs in the league.
We haven't seen THIS JPP since 2011, and OV is only a notch below him. What did OV say after the game? There will be times both of them are in the opponent's backfield so fast they will have to be wary of hurting - each other! - via "friendly fire."
Like I said, that would be a great problem to have but I am spending a shitload of money on a player that player better make other players better not be the beneficiary of others. Beckham makes other players better. He helps out Eli. He demands double teams opening up single coverage for othere. The same can be said of JPP and Vernon and Snacks. Management would have to evaluate him and determine what type of player he is which they will do. If he is the beneficiary then his demands will probably be higher than our offer. If he is one that helps others out it will come down to a willingness of both parties to get a deal done. Imo, I just don't see the Giants breaking the bank for him. We have seen this before with Griffin and Joseph. Have the Giants changed their stance on this? Who knows? All I am saying is that there is a decent chance he doesn't get a long term deal here. I think that is easy to understand after all the money we spent in FA and with the other players that will be FAs either this upcoming year or the near future.
I was excited about anybody with our DL the other night. It was a great sight to see. Still, that other DL has a championship under their belt so I am going to give the edge to that DT pair overall. That doesn't mean this new DT pair can't live up to them. I just want to see more out of Hankins. He should have plenty of opportunities. I am curious to see who lines up at DT in obvious passing situations. Will it be Hankins with Odi? Will Snacks get some snaps? Will some of these other DEs get in there? We know JPP will probably get some work inside too. So, how often will Hank get an opportunity to rush the passer. Imo, he will have to do most of his damage on first and second down. I think in obvious passing situations he will see limited snaps because of the rotation. But, either way, it won't matter as long as we are getting production from the players on the field. Our LBs are gonna look a helluva lot better this year behind that DL.
Like I said, that would be a great problem to have but I am spending a shitload of money on a player that player better make other players better not be the beneficiary of others. Beckham makes other players better. He helps out Eli. He demands double teams opening up single coverage for othere. The same can be said of JPP and Vernon and Snacks. Management would have to evaluate him and determine what type of player he is which they will do. If he is the beneficiary then his demands will probably be higher than our offer. If he is one that helps others out it will come down to a willingness of both parties to get a deal done. Imo, I just don't see the Giants breaking the bank for him. We have seen this before with Griffin and Joseph. Have the Giants changed their stance on this? Who knows? All I am saying is that there is a decent chance he doesn't get a long term deal here. I think that is easy to understand after all the money we spent in FA and with the other players that will be FAs either this upcoming year or the near future.
Well, he's talented, still young, presumably healthy and TO ME, better than Cofield and LinJo ever were. Too, we have the money to pay him what we care to unlike when we were up against the wall with the others I mentioned..I look for a noce contract extension, hopefully before the season's out. Also am looking at extensions for the other core players. We have plenty of money to overspend IF WE HAVE TO, imo
Guys like Jenkins and Vernon aren't that much of a cap hit this year if I remember correctly but jump up significantly next year. Yes, we have money available this year but these contract are increasing at a higher rate than the salary cap itself is.
was my favorite pick last year and I think what we saw on Friday was the player that he is going to be as long as he stays healthy. He is going to be a huge part of this defense and I expect 7-10 sacks from him this season.
this year but that doesn't include Hankins or JPP or Jennings. I don't know who else is a FA. JPP is gonna get a huge contract imo. Now, Cruz could save us $7.5 million if we release him but would cost us $1.5, I think, to do so. But, like I said, you will have guys like Pugh, Richburg, and Beckham to consider too. Beckham next year will be making less than Eli Apple. Talk about crazy.
The problem with Hankins wasn't talent, it was the talent around him Â
If you only have one good DL the other team can scheme to neutralize him. Without JPP and with a fading Jenkins, Hankins was the target. That won't happen this year.
Owa or Odi for the time being ..
I am no capologist Not even sure if that's a word but
I think Snacks presence will Impact Big Hank he could be
in line for a 6-8 sack season .
With Vernon and JPP crashing the ends the turnover ratio
may be awesome .
Owa looked very good Okwara and another guy I like is
Maponga I noticed him is a drill and he has a quick 1st
step pop to him and I hope he lands on the practise
squad .
I mean, they came at you in waves from late 2007 to the SB.
Strahan and Tuck won us that SB with their superb domination.
Now, if say OWA becomes our "J. Tuck" who lines up all over and dominates well than we are damn close in talent but I'm not crowning this line just yet.
One thing I do know: if these guys play 23 games this year, and are healthy throughout, we are in GREAT shape for SB run. This DLine is hard to run on AND can rush the passer. Few lines do both well. I just hope DT J. Bromley is back out there on Monday, in pads, and getting back into football shape as he has what 27 days til kickoff to get there?
As of right now we have $37.5 Million in available cap space next year (with this year's carryover. That assumes we don't cut JT Thomas either before or after this year (which would add 4.5 Million on next year's cap if before this season and $3 Million if after). Learn to use Over-the-Cap or anyone of a number of similar sites rather than just making cap problems up that don't exist.
Way too early to tell. Early results promising. But we are very thin at DT. Bromley missing all of camp really sucks.
At the end of the day, I think big DT's M. Hughes and L. Nix make the team. They have experience and DT G. Millhouse goes to the PS and adds weight so next year he is 305 or so, strong and just as quick.
And yes, DT Bromley missing camp does suck. I wonder what the timeline for his return is as I've not seen that "date" noted at all by staff?
As of right now we have $37.5 Million in available cap space next year (with this year's carryover. That assumes we don't cut JT Thomas either before or after this year (which would add 4.5 Million on next year's cap if before this season and $3 Million if after). Learn to use Over-the-Cap or anyone of a number of similar sites rather than just making cap problems up that don't exist.
Who is making up cap problems? My point is that you have to have priorities. You also do not know what the cap will be next year so giving a definitive number for cap space is not accurate. I also stated that we could free money up too. Learn to comprehend what I am writing. Never did I say that we will not sign Hankins nor did I say we have cap issues. All I said was that Hank will most likely not be a priority over Beckham, JPP, Pugh, and Richburg. I also said that we could resign him. I also said we need to have a long term view before we just say Hankins is up next so pay the man whatever.
RE: Hope this defense gets a lot of three and outs,
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because without backups, they will be gassed by the fourth quarter....I fear Spags may overuse the starters, because there is such a drop off after them....
Without backups? What do you think Odiguizuwa, Okwara, and Wynn are? Bromley, Millhouse, Nix?
There are backups, and there are backups......the drop off in talent between the starters and the backups is huge.....and what have any of those names you mentioned accomplished up to this point? Absolutely nothing.....you have to hope they become rotational breathers, that can hold their own......They are backups, not starters, and aren't even starting potential....the best iof them is OO, in my opinion.....but he is raw....he had a good game Friday...can he back it up with another and another? Hopefully he will, because we desperately need someone of his potential caliber....the rest are just what they are backups....if we are lucky, one of them might rise head and shoulders above the others, b ut that is not saying much.....
I remember the 2008 DL....it was a good line, but by the end of the season, those starters were gassed......Spags will have to setup a rotational scheme, individualized for each team we play, depending on their OL's weaknesses.....and hopefully this keeps the line fresh for the season....
Every team has backups....and some backups are much better than others......we have a lot of young guys.....their main problem is lack of experience, and veteran Olmen can take advantage of that.....
So until several step out of the pack, consistently, this DL has to stay healthy, and get this defense off the field.....a three and out....how novel is that? Something we haven't seen much around here, especially in the fourth quarter....
bitching about backups. They will have adequate backups to spell the starting 4. They have plenty of DT's with beef. They will be cutting guys that have some talent. Backup DLine is much better than back up Oline. Whether it's Bromley, Millhouse, Nix, Coleman or whomever, they're getting decent write ups from the reporters (well Bromley is out). Point is they don't need starters - just back ups for a breather.
Or Khalil Mack, or Aaron Donald, or Fletcher Cox, or any other top-tier defender in the league? Even if you don't know their names, you can assume that they're nowhere near the level of talent as the starters they're playing behind. In that regard, the Giants are on par with most other teams. Stop looking for trouble where it doesn't exist.
I view (as a fan) JH as a priority. My guess is that the Giants do as well
No worries. I am sure you are not the only one. As always, my point isn't to change your mind. It is just pointing out things rarely talked about. Personally, I need to see more out of Hankins and I hope he gives it to us. I just want to point out that if I was going to offer him a long term deal I need to see him improve his play and it cannot hurt our long term flexibility with respect to the salary cap. I think most would understand that.
Keep in mind that Hankins didn't play off of anyone that required a Â
double team. When JPP came back last year, Hankins was already hurt. Now with OV, and the mountain sized Snacks, he's going to have more ideal matchups and looks.
Sorry. I was responding only to your comment about the deals for the new free agents costing much more next year. While the cap hits do increase these contracts don't resemble the Cowboy/49er free agent signings of the 90s which were very back loaded and eventually led them to cap hell.
I can't argue with the point that you have to manage the cap long term. But I think Reese is always very aware of that. In fact, I think it's why Coughlin had so little to work with the last couple of years and why some of my favorites (Tuck, Bradshaw Jacobs) were let go a season too early instead of a season too late. Also why the Vikings got a helluva defensive tackle in his prime from us (having a senior moment).
In a perfect world we would have signed him, but I believe we had money earmarked for extensions for Eli, JPP, and Nicks and opted to let him go without a fight.
I will give you Snacks but not Hank. Hank has a lot to prove. He had one good year and that was a couple of years ago. He has to produce because he isn't going to have a better-supporting cast than he has now. Honestly, as of now, I don't know if we re-sign him. I think JPP will be our number one priority and we just may let that other DT position figure itself put for next year. As of today, Hankins is pure guy. I just think management wants to see kore put of him than he has given us recently.
On another thread, I wrote we should maybe re-sign DT Hankins and DE JPP NOW, at the end of camp but before the start of the season, so long as the deal was "mutually beneficial" - a deal that makes sense for both parties. By extending them now, we lock up our DLine for the next 3 years minimum, likely 4 or more years.
Our strong DL helps us vs the Dallas Cowboys and their strength: OL.
I think DT Hankins will have his best year as a Giants and JPP will be solid as well. But you don't want to overpay this year. Not when they are under contract. Do the players be on themselves that they'll have big years and get even bigger money or want to stay Giants and get the guaranteed money?
Whom did we have at backup tackle that was worth poop in 2007? Alford? Yeah we saw how well he filled in when we really needed him in 2008... We had more depth at DE with Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, and Tolly besides the legend, Strahan.
Too early to tell indeed but the top 5 DL at this moment look to me to be stronger than the 2007 group - but as yet it's only 5 guys.
Praying on Bromley's return, Milhouse's emergence or one of the recent FA pickups, and Okwara for now.
But give me left to right JPP, Snacks, Hank, and OV anytime. Keep in mind that wasn't vintage prime Strahan in 2007... nobody was doubling him by then. And IMO Snacks and Hank are an upgrade over Robbins and Cofield, and I was a huge Robbins fan. OV may well be better than Osi was, especially vs the run.
Lol, yeah me too, very excited to read about his performance, and surprised by it.
It isn't that hard once you say it a few times.
Oh-diggy-zu-ah
Without backups? What do you think Odiguizuwa, Okwara, and Wynn are? Bromley, Millhouse, Nix?
Regardless, starters don't get "overused." They stay on the field as much as possible because they're the best at what they do. It's not this defense getting three-and-outs that should concern you. It's this offense avoiding them that should.
But he wasn't that good when he played last year. Most people think a player's development is always linear as they will always build off their last year. Players do take a step back. Hankins was one of those players. Hopefully he returns to be the player he was at his best. Our DL would be amazing. When he came on he was a little bit of an unknown. Nobody thought of him as a guy who could get to the QB. That was a pleasant surprise but with that success came higher expectations and more attention from opposing teams. With Vernon, Snacks, Odi, and JPP I don't know how many double teams he will see. I would say almost none in the passing game unless the pass is coming out quicker than the edge guys can get there to keep the pocket there for the QB with a 1 or 3 step drop. Or a particular run play that calls for the e tech to get doubled. I don't think he will be getting special attention becauae of who he is. So, imo, he will have more than enough opportunities to prove his worth.
As much as we would all love to keep our team together we know that there is a cap and tough decisions have to be made. Imo, JPP, Pugh, Richburg, and Beckham are much bigger priorities than Hankins right now. Those players have to be factored into the salary cap first before offering Hankins a deal. I am not saying we sign those players before him but we need to have ball park figures. Plus, you have to factor in other positions like RB. Jennings' contract is up after this year. What if nobody else steps up? You will have to address the position. Do you waste a draft pick at the position or do you go out and sign a vet?
The only way you bypass these thoughts is if Hankins lights the world on fire which is a great problem to have. But even then he could demand too much money if that is the case. I like big Hank but I wouldn't put him in the category of being a must-sign.
I said this in another thread, but Okwara certainly looks the part. I thought I was watching Deacon Jones out there...the kid his HUGE, and he's only 21. I'm really looking forward to seeing him on the field again, and hopefully against stiffer competition so we can better gauge his effectiveness.
You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a little fucked up maybe. It's funny how? It's funny, like it's a clown? It amuses you? It's make you laugh? It's here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?
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You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a little fucked up maybe. It's funny how? It's funny, like it's a clown? It amuses you? It's make you laugh? It's here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?
I dought you sed I'm all right, Spider!
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due to injury. The year before he did just fine, imv
But he wasn't that good when he played last year. Most people think a player's development is always linear as they will always build off their last year. Players do take a step back. Hankins was one of those players. Hopefully he returns to be the player he was at his best. Our DL would be amazing. When he came on he was a little bit of an unknown. Nobody thought of him as a guy who could get to the QB. That was a pleasant surprise but with that success came higher expectations and more attention from opposing teams. With Vernon, Snacks, Odi, and JPP I don't know how many double teams he will see. I would say almost none in the passing game unless the pass is coming out quicker than the edge guys can get there to keep the pocket there for the QB with a 1 or 3 step drop. Or a particular run play that calls for the e tech to get doubled. I don't think he will be getting special attention becauae of who he is. So, imo, he will have more than enough opportunities to prove his worth.
As much as we would all love to keep our team together we know that there is a cap and tough decisions have to be made. Imo, JPP, Pugh, Richburg, and Beckham are much bigger priorities than Hankins right now. Those players have to be factored into the salary cap first before offering Hankins a deal. I am not saying we sign those players before him but we need to have ball park figures. Plus, you have to factor in other positions like RB. Jennings' contract is up after this year. What if nobody else steps up? You will have to address the position. Do you waste a draft pick at the position or do you go out and sign a vet?
The only way you bypass these thoughts is if Hankins lights the world on fire which is a great problem to have. But even then he could demand too much money if that is the case. I like big Hank but I wouldn't put him in the category of being a must-sign.
Otoh, Snacks may elevate Hankins to top notch status..
Most people simply say "Owa" or "O-Diggy".
If you want to learn his full name and pronunciation it's:
Owamagbe Odighizuwa
Pronounced: Oh' wah mahg bee Oh' diggy ZOO wah
It's a mouthful. Everyone will have it down by the end of the year like they did with Ositadimma "Osi" Umenyiora. Just takes a little practice and hearing it enough. I'm surprised how well the announcers can roll Odighizuwa off their tongues already....at least they've got down his last name.
Robbie I wrote "too early to tell" and agree 100% Little Hank has a ton to prove - I've posted several times this off-season that he's really an unknown...
Having said that right now after what 4-5 Miami 3 and outs? I am drinking the kool-ade. If Hank returns to being the BEST of what he was in 2014, and OO expands on what he did the other night, oh my...
I think JPP and OV will be THE BEST bookend 4-3 DEs in the league.
We haven't seen THIS JPP since 2011, and OV is only a notch below him. What did OV say after the game? There will be times both of them are in the opponent's backfield so fast they will have to be wary of hurting - each other! - via "friendly fire."
Well, he's talented, still young, presumably healthy and TO ME, better than Cofield and LinJo ever were. Too, we have the money to pay him what we care to unlike when we were up against the wall with the others I mentioned..I look for a noce contract extension, hopefully before the season's out. Also am looking at extensions for the other core players. We have plenty of money to overspend IF WE HAVE TO, imo
Next year, Vernon ($16), Jenkins ($15), and Snacks ($10.6) alone will account for $41.6 million. That is a big jump of just 3 players.
I am no capologist Not even sure if that's a word but
I think Snacks presence will Impact Big Hank he could be
in line for a 6-8 sack season .
With Vernon and JPP crashing the ends the turnover ratio
may be awesome .
Owa looked very good Okwara and another guy I like is
Maponga I noticed him is a drill and he has a quick 1st
step pop to him and I hope he lands on the practise
squad .
I mean, they came at you in waves from late 2007 to the SB.
Strahan and Tuck won us that SB with their superb domination.
Now, if say OWA becomes our "J. Tuck" who lines up all over and dominates well than we are damn close in talent but I'm not crowning this line just yet.
One thing I do know: if these guys play 23 games this year, and are healthy throughout, we are in GREAT shape for SB run. This DLine is hard to run on AND can rush the passer. Few lines do both well. I just hope DT J. Bromley is back out there on Monday, in pads, and getting back into football shape as he has what 27 days til kickoff to get there?
Okwara was very active Friday night... Milhouse too!
And yes, DT Bromley missing camp does suck. I wonder what the timeline for his return is as I've not seen that "date" noted at all by staff?
Who is making up cap problems? My point is that you have to have priorities. You also do not know what the cap will be next year so giving a definitive number for cap space is not accurate. I also stated that we could free money up too. Learn to comprehend what I am writing. Never did I say that we will not sign Hankins nor did I say we have cap issues. All I said was that Hank will most likely not be a priority over Beckham, JPP, Pugh, and Richburg. I also said that we could resign him. I also said we need to have a long term view before we just say Hankins is up next so pay the man whatever.
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In comment 13069926 Doomster said:
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because without backups, they will be gassed by the fourth quarter....I fear Spags may overuse the starters, because there is such a drop off after them....
Without backups? What do you think Odiguizuwa, Okwara, and Wynn are? Bromley, Millhouse, Nix?
There are backups, and there are backups......the drop off in talent between the starters and the backups is huge.....and what have any of those names you mentioned accomplished up to this point? Absolutely nothing.....you have to hope they become rotational breathers, that can hold their own......They are backups, not starters, and aren't even starting potential....the best iof them is OO, in my opinion.....but he is raw....he had a good game Friday...can he back it up with another and another? Hopefully he will, because we desperately need someone of his potential caliber....the rest are just what they are backups....if we are lucky, one of them might rise head and shoulders above the others, b ut that is not saying much.....
I remember the 2008 DL....it was a good line, but by the end of the season, those starters were gassed......Spags will have to setup a rotational scheme, individualized for each team we play, depending on their OL's weaknesses.....and hopefully this keeps the line fresh for the season....
Every team has backups....and some backups are much better than others......we have a lot of young guys.....their main problem is lack of experience, and veteran Olmen can take advantage of that.....
So until several step out of the pack, consistently, this DL has to stay healthy, and get this defense off the field.....a three and out....how novel is that? Something we haven't seen much around here, especially in the fourth quarter....
No worries. I am sure you are not the only one. As always, my point isn't to change your mind. It is just pointing out things rarely talked about. Personally, I need to see more out of Hankins and I hope he gives it to us. I just want to point out that if I was going to offer him a long term deal I need to see him improve his play and it cannot hurt our long term flexibility with respect to the salary cap. I think most would understand that.
I can't argue with the point that you have to manage the cap long term. But I think Reese is always very aware of that. In fact, I think it's why Coughlin had so little to work with the last couple of years and why some of my favorites (Tuck, Bradshaw Jacobs) were let go a season too early instead of a season too late. Also why the Vikings got a helluva defensive tackle in his prime from us (having a senior moment).
Our strong DL helps us vs the Dallas Cowboys and their strength: OL.
I think DT Hankins will have his best year as a Giants and JPP will be solid as well. But you don't want to overpay this year. Not when they are under contract. Do the players be on themselves that they'll have big years and get even bigger money or want to stay Giants and get the guaranteed money?