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would you feel better if Hart beat out Newhouse?

George from PA : 8/14/2016 8:44 pm
I feel we could "live" with last year's OL although I perfer an upgrade but what seems unacceptable is the lack of depth. This is concerning.

My expectations for this team is growing by the day and I will be pissed if the OL becomes their undoing.

But if Hart can take the RT spot from Newhouse.....somehow, I feel a little better...with Newhouse as the back-up.

Now....I mean actually outplay and earn the spot. Not just win it by default.

Thoughts?

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arcarsenal : 8/14/2016 8:48 pm : link
I'll feel good if the player who performs the best wins the job.

We'd all love depth across the entire line but the reality of the NFL is that it's just not possible to have depth at a whole lot of positions. We're going to have to make due.
welll  
BleedBlue : 8/14/2016 8:48 pm : link
newhouse isnt as dreadful as many on here believe so IF hart wins it out, its a good thing because it means Hart has earned it and given his age that sets us up to have very young 4 out of 5 along that OL. I still think the Giants bring in someone after cuts are made, whether it be for depth or someone to potentially start remains to be seen, if I am the Giants i am exploring all options as it seems RT is our only MAJOR hole
Not yet.  
Ira : 8/14/2016 9:01 pm : link
Hart was competing against second string; Newhouse against starters. I'd like to see how Hart looks with those roles reversed.
Not saying they should sign him  
The_Boss : 8/14/2016 9:01 pm : link
But would it be the worst thing to bring in Jake Long to, at the very least, work out for the staff to gauge where he's at health wise? Newhouse, to be blunt, sucks. I'd like to think the NYG staff knows this too. Defense should be improved. ST's are solid, despite spotty coaching (Quinn). The pass O will be very good, but that right side might prevent them from being as good as they could be, just like last season. Overly dramatic or not, Newhouse's play, if he is the guy, could determine if this is a playoff team or a team that misses the playoffs for the 5th consecutive season.
I can't imagine  
Stufftherun : 8/14/2016 9:19 pm : link
a fan who's chief concern isn't the OL and if it isn't markedly better than it has been we're going to experience a lot of heartache. Sure, the D has been dreadful and was in dire need of upgrades but in my mind many of those were addressed. Yes, there are still question marks on the D but for my money the lack of any upgrade/s and apparent lack of quality depth on the OL is more than bothersome.
Best Combo for OL???  
ny2plano : 8/14/2016 9:50 pm : link
From left to right---Pugh, Hart, Richberg, Jerry, Flowers.
of course  
chris r : 8/14/2016 9:51 pm : link
Newhouse is a known mediocre player. Hart beating him out implies an upgrade.
I want to see Hart  
chopperhatch : 8/14/2016 9:53 pm : link
Win the job. He has better instincts and can grow into the positiin. Newhouse is horrendous. He is a back up. Nothing more. Newhouse could be a drive or even a qb killer.
RE: Best Combo for OL???  
SGMen : 8/14/2016 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13070602 ny2plano said:
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From left to right---Pugh, Hart, Richberg, Jerry, Flowers.
You know, you just might be right with that assessment and lineup. From a talent standpoint, we'd be solid enough.
NY Plano......you might be right, but this team is  
George from PA : 8/14/2016 10:13 pm : link
Dying on the Flowers LT hill for some reason.

I think Flowers would make a great RT
And you would have  
Doomster : 8/14/2016 10:15 pm : link
Best Combo for OL???
ny2plano : 9:50 pm : link : reply
From left to right---Pugh, Hart, Richberg, Jerry, Flowers.

3 guys playing new positions, and the merry-go-round would continue......this line needs to gel as a unit and can't by continually changing positions...
Hart  
Marty866b : 8/14/2016 10:43 pm : link
The Giants should know what they have or haven't with Newhouse. I believe that they should rotate Hart with Newhouse the remainer of the preseason and the best man wins. I don't think Newhouse is as terible as most here but he is mediocre,at best. Then again,at this juncture,besides Richburg,who is much better then average on the offensive line?
RE: Hart  
SGMen : 8/14/2016 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13070625 Marty866b said:
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The Giants should know what they have or haven't with Newhouse. I believe that they should rotate Hart with Newhouse the remainer of the preseason and the best man wins. I don't think Newhouse is as terible as most here but he is mediocre,at best. Then again,at this juncture,besides Richburg,who is much better then average on the offensive line?
Pugh will probably or damn near it.
I don't think fans have accepted that the team's eval of newhouse  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/14/2016 10:44 pm : link
is very different from their own.
ehhhh  
BleedBlue : 8/14/2016 10:52 pm : link
trade for Anthony Davis plug him at RT, use Newhouse and Hart as depth unless you like Hart at RG over Jerry in which case you have
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Davis
with Jerry and Newhouse as the first two guys in...thats a damn good online with some improved depth
Best Talent  
ny2plano : 8/14/2016 10:53 pm : link
Yes, lots of new positions. Best use of talent. Let these 5 jell in these spots.
They don't mind the thought  
RetroJint : 8/14/2016 11:25 pm : link
of Newhouse starting. Given that, if Hart beats him out, it would be a case of upgrading a position instead of an act born of desperation. I would like to see Hart. However I am not in the group of fans who can't stomach the thought of Newhouse being the Giants ROT.
Pugh is a guard  
Joey in VA : 8/14/2016 11:36 pm : link
He doesn't have the length or power to play tackle effectively in this league, period. He was getting jacked up at RT, it will be worse at LT. Flowers won't just all of the sudden clean up his technique at RT, so he's the best option on the roster for LT for now. This is a quick passing offense, I don't think either of our OTs are going to get anyone killed but they certainly both need to improve. Newhouse's issue is recognition off the snap, he simply doesn't do a good job of redirecting if he guesses wrong and he looks awful when he does that. He's not physically terrible, but he does he lunge and guess what the DE is trying to do and when he's wrong he's not athletic enough to recover.

What I saw from Hart was very encouraging, he's much much quicker and cleaner with his hands and feet and he's in to his pass sets much faster than he was a year ago. Getting into that position as a pass blocker is paramount to being good at it and he has improved by leaps and bounds in that area. I have a feeling that Newhouse loses the spot to Hart at some point in the season. Hart is close but not quite ready yet.
What about Luke Joekel  
Bluesbreaker : 8/14/2016 11:59 pm : link
they moved him out of the LT job and he is in a battle
at the RT spot ...
He would stll be marginally Better than Marshal and would
help the depth .
I'm not even sure that would be enough . We could use a
back up Center as well ...
RE: What about Luke Joekel  
SGMen : 8/15/2016 12:30 am : link
In comment 13070661 Bluesbreaker said:
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they moved him out of the LT job and he is in a battle
at the RT spot ...
He would stll be marginally Better than Marshal and would
help the depth .
I'm not even sure that would be enough . We could use a
back up Center as well ...
OC Brett Jones is likely a year away from being a viable backup. He needs a year of PS work and an off-season in OL Bentley's camp in AZ. LOL.
I'm all for who doesn't get Eli killed  
SHO'NUFF : 8/15/2016 1:51 am : link
and that man may not even be in the roster as of today.
Bosz  
joeinpa : 8/15/2016 6:56 am : link
"Spotting coaching of Special Teams"

Unless you observed him on a personal basis and have an understanding of what it takes to coach in the NFL, your comment is kind of silly.

Guy has been evaluated now by two NFL head coaches and been found competent enough to be part of their staffs.
OL  
stretch234 : 8/15/2016 7:41 am : link
Hart is not getting near a starting position at T unless he can pass block first. Right now, Newhouse is much better at pass blocking than Hart is.



What happened to Dallas Reynolds?  
JFIB : 8/15/2016 7:47 am : link
I thought he performed admirably last season stepping in as a back up from time to time.
Dumb Question  
PaulN : 8/15/2016 7:55 am : link
If he beats him out, he is obviously playing better then him, so you would have to be an idiot to say no to that question. LOL. The question is, can hart beat out Newhouse, that is the question, not your question, that is just plain dumb.
RE: Pugh is a guard  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/15/2016 8:04 am : link
In comment 13070657 Joey in VA said:
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He doesn't have the length or power to play tackle effectively in this league, period. He was getting jacked up at RT, it will be worse at LT. Flowers won't just all of the sudden clean up his technique at RT, so he's the best option on the roster for LT for now. This is a quick passing offense, I don't think either of our OTs are going to get anyone killed but they certainly both need to improve. Newhouse's issue is recognition off the snap, he simply doesn't do a good job of redirecting if he guesses wrong and he looks awful when he does that. He's not physically terrible, but he does he lunge and guess what the DE is trying to do and when he's wrong he's not athletic enough to recover.


Joey -- this guess business makes a ton of sense -- it explains what I was looking at on Saturday really well
The fact that people  
ryanmkeane : 8/15/2016 9:30 am : link
are still even mentioning the very thought of Pugh at tackle is just mind boggling to me. Enough already. He's the LG for this team, quite possibly for the next 5-6 years and he'll be rock solid there.

Yes, he can play tackle in a pinch due to injury. But he won't be starting at tackle pretty much ever if all things are equal.
Yes  
BlackburnBalledOut : 8/15/2016 10:32 pm : link
I like Hart, he played at a very high level in college, knows what it takes to win and is very versatile (started every spot on the OL at Florida St)....I would also look to acquire another lineman or 3 for depth purposes.

We know what we get with Newhouse, at this point in his career hes not going to get any better, let him be the swing man for now, let the youth movement continue with Hart
RE: OL  
section125 : 8/15/2016 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13070723 stretch234 said:
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Hart is not getting near a starting position at T unless he can pass block first. Right now, Newhouse is much better at pass blocking than Hart is.


Didn't look like that the other night. Hart looked good the other night in pass pro...Newhouse looked bad.
Nope - I don't think either player is going to be better than average  
PatersonPlank : 8/15/2016 11:02 pm : link
this year, and thats at their best. Hart is younger and has a lot more upside, but for this season I think whoever wins will be the weakest link.
Honestly,  
chopperhatch : 8/15/2016 11:34 pm : link
While Pugh is great as a Guard, him becoming the LT and kicking Flowers to RT is not something I think the Giants should overlook. He has pretty good tech (better than Flowers), some nasty, and moves his feet well.

The problem is i dont think Hart is a Guard. I think he is a RT. He isnt as fluid to be a LT, but he showed me aggression and quicks the first preseason game. He also looks strong. I think he is our startIng RT. He just needs reps.

Bottom line, Newhouse is not the best player on our roster to play RT. Hart has better physical attributes, is more coachable and has more upside. He is the better player without question and the coaching staff I think knows better than to start Newhouse past game 4.
How do you know one player is more "coachable" than another?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2016 12:16 am : link
You'd have to be in the room and have a personal relationship to know such a thing.

McAdoo has worked with Marshall Newhouse since they were in Green Bay together. I'm sure he knows what he.
RE: How do you know one player is more  
chopperhatch : 8/16/2016 12:46 am : link
In comment 13072437 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You'd have to be in the room and have a personal relationship to know such a thing.

McAdoo has worked with Marshall Newhouse since they were in Green Bay together. I'm sure he knows what he.


Because Hart is younger and has less bad habits. Because he hasnt been tainted by any other pro systems. Because he has a spot to earn. Newhouse is who he is. The only reason he is on the team is because he knows Mac's system. Hart is in the process of learning it but has displayed much more physical acumen towards it.

The starting OL will be fine...they will manage  
SGMen : 8/16/2016 12:47 am : link
I still think LT Erek Flowers will show at least some improvement as compared to last year. It may not be the big upward tick we had hoped but he should improve with repetitions against DE Olivier Vernon, day in, day out! Erek will run block much better as he learns to use his feet better to drive rather than shuffle and hold.

I also believe LG J. Pugh will have his best professional season and run block like a beast. I honestly believe he has a shot to be a Probowl player.

OC W. Richburg is among the NFL's Top 3 centers, I believe that. He is just solid and reviews note how quick he is and how smart he is.

RG J. Jerry is leaner and improved from last year. Watch for him to be a better run blocker and still stand tall in pass protection.

RT R. Newhouse will be adequate and let's face it, if he does get hurt we have RT B. Hart stepping in and how much of a dropoff is that really?
TTH, while youre right about  
chopperhatch : 8/16/2016 12:48 am : link
Being in the room to sense coachability in a lot of cases, a younger, more raw prospect is always more coachable than a vet. Always.
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