Nas will be declared innocent or guilty, but the question of ho committed the murder won't be answered. I also hav to admit that I am completely turned around and have no idea what happened. I've never seen a show deal with misdirection this well. I don't even know what to think.
is what was up with that delivery guy at Chandra's house? Leaving without getting paid? And she was about to hand him two $20s for a delivery costing $18-something.
Most likely answer is that he was her ex-boyfriend, although he's an odd match for her. But they both looked weirded out from seeing each other.
Ummm...not sure if serious...maybe I'm missing the sarcasm
Love the parrallels with the Cat and Naz being protected by Freddy and the cat by Stone.
Naz is really going above and beyond to fit in with Freddy's crew. Has SIN BAD tattooed on his hands, but separately it reads SIN BAD and doing hard core drugs with Freddy? Is it me or does it appear that the geeky, nerd Naz appeared to be in episode 1 seems to be enjoying being protected by Freddy (power trip) a bit. Maybe there is a darker side to Naz than we know?
Keep thinking that at some point Naz is going to have to do another "favor" for Freddy to even the score. Shudder to think what Freddy will make Naz do next... Although the reaction of Freddy's thug friend in the shower leads me to believe Freddy's next request will not be of a sexual nature and will either be drug related again or violence which could really hurt Naz in the end. Wouldn't it suck if Naz's favor to Freddy ended up keeping Naz in prison even if he is proven to be innocent of Andrea's murder.
I couldn't help but think with Freddy being a great boxer and Naz being such a good student that the 2 of them smoking whatever in Freddy's cell shined a light on the fact that the both of them ultimately ended up where they are today because of having done hard core drugs in the past...
Throughout the entire series I can't help but think that if Naz just took the first 2 assholes that got into his cab to their destination even though he didn't want to, he never would be in this predicament in the first place. I guess life really is all about decisions you make at times.
Nicely done how the DA uses the video to support Naz rejecting the first fare to pick up the girl instead. Hard to argue with that...
Loved the Naz-Chandra phone call. It could've been creepy, but it was just sad and lonely. Chandra's opening statement was horrendous. She and Stone must do a better job of working together on this case.
Don't like where I think the story is going and its intended message.
After last night it became apparent that this will end up being nothing more than an anti-criminal justice film. Naz will end up being acquitted, but his time in jail (held because he couldn't bond out) will have turned him from the nice, large-eyed doe he was into the crack-head, hardcore criminal that he now is. Total cliche.
Two theories, I still wonder if the fathers partners/bosses
file charges against Nas for GTA, and then let's say he's found not guilty of the murder, whether he did it or not, he's guilty of the GTA and winds up doing time for it.
or....as Freddy asked him "how did you like your life on the outside" the more Nas thinks about it he didn't really like his life on the outside and at Rikers he's more accepted and does something Freddy asks to intentionally stay locked up.
not as cliched as FatHeadTommy's scenario, but would be a little bit of a letdown.
I think whoever did it is and was irrelevant to a point, it's about what they can prove. So Stone and Chandra just need reasonable doubt. someone else's blood on the scene, the lack of blood on Nas, etc.
but its definitely possible with what we know. He didn't see the aftermath of Stone running after Duane Reade from episode 5, so that still has to lead to something. The hearse driver and stepfather are likely both misdirection, IMO.
Love the show, sad to see it go in 2 weeks, but its what makes good TV.
could be that we don't find out the killer (or only find out he's innocent) and Naz dies in prison. A lot needs to happen in only two episodes and I'm curious how they wrap it up.
and it's insane how quickly he embraced the role of prison criminal.
So as we know now, the suspects are:
1) Stepfather
2) Duane Reade
3) Hearst Driver
4) Naz
I tend to think it was the Stepfather who contracted Duane Reade or the Hearst Driver (Mr. Day?). There was some analogous imagery with the nailpolish and bloodsplatter when Chandra went to the Hearst Driver.
Chandra also is lookin pretty good on the show.
I wish they tied up some loose ends from the last episode though. What was that blue light? Did anything happen to Stone? What about the blood in the backyard? Is Duane Reade just someone we forget about?
John Turturro's feet have improved. Excellent episode tonight.
I have a feeling that remedy is going to backfire. Watch, it's going to end up spreading further up his body. I wonder if it actually will tie into the plot though.
There was just no need for them to emphasize his condition that much to have it magically go away in such a pointless fashion.
RE: Obviously, the biggest question from tonight's episode
is what was up with that delivery guy at Chandra's house? Leaving without getting paid? And she was about to hand him two $20s for a delivery costing $18-something.
Most likely answer is that he was her ex-boyfriend, although he's an odd match for her. But they both looked weirded out from seeing each other.
But getting "Sin" and "Bad" tattooed on his hands was IDIOTIC, and name Sinbad being broken up into two such heavily charged "evil" words is way too convenient to not play into the plot.
Then again, this show does have misdirection, and I guess some of these leads or things we think will factor in may not matter after all.
It's very frustrating to see Naz freebasing blow in the prison while his family busts their ass to try and pay for his defense. Really really disheartening. I wouldn't be surprised if Naz dies in jail, kill someone in jail, or gets convicted after showing he was actually innocent after all to be honest - it would make the point of the show about the failings of the legal system, and how it turned a non-criminal into a criminal.
The prosecutions crooked experts is also stomach churning.
It's the eve of the trial and that's when the lead detective decides to check out the suspect's Facebook page? And the page is still up?
Stone doesn't decide to check out the victim's stepfather until the trial has already started?
Does everyone in this show just suck at their job or what?
And Naz is getting prison hand tattoos before the trial even starts. Is this supposed to be some kind of self sabotage?
I don't think we are getting everything in real time. And since I don't really think the show is about the trial, its likely why there hasn't been a full start to finish, coherent investigation.
But to answer the question, we are saying a lot of realities, there's a ton of people who are bad at their job.
its what we were told episode 1, and why Stone gave the "ohh shit" reaction when he found out. He isn't a guy who forgets to check Facebook when a college kid commits a murder or gets murdered.
Keep feeling Freddy is somehow tied into this murder
Such as the stepfather paying Freddy to have Andrea killed; Freddy protecting Naz because he's been accused of the crime.
Interesting theory.
except the stepfather made 30 grand a year as a personal trainer.
not sure he had the cash to pay for a murder for hire.
It would tie things up nicely though if the stepfather paid Freddy and Freddy hired Dwayne Reed.
though, still don't see Dwayne Reed stabbing her 40 times. He'd have slit her throat or shot her, something more execution style, not personal like stabbing 40 times.
I really dislike the prosecutor, which means the actress is doing a good job.
If you noticed, they showed that the prosecutor had racks and rack of files on the case. I think from that we can say there have been many experts brought in. We also know that the prosecutor will dismiss any evidence or testimony that doesn't lead to a conviction
I really dislike the prosecutor, which means the actress is doing a good job.
Hard to believe The Heartbreak Kid was 44 years ago. Berlin was directed by her mom, the great Elaine May, and won a bunch of awards and nominations for her performance as the bride Charles Grodin dumps on their honeymoon for Cybill Shepherd.
and I'll stay with it through the end, but to me, it's been like a CBS crime drama with more explicit language and sexual content. The narrative is not all that strong, especially for an acclaimed HBO production, and there are some shallow, cliched characters.
In my opinion, season one of _True Detective_ was way better.
and I'll stay with it through the end, but to me, it's been like a CBS crime drama with more explicit language and sexual content. The narrative is not all that strong, especially for an acclaimed HBO production, and there are some shallow, cliched characters.
In my opinion, season one of _True Detective_ was way better.
Totally agree. Each episode has had diminishing returns in that they continue to build the main mystery of "what actually happened" vs. doing anything substantive in each episode. They've gotten their point about the justice system across and there have been some very good performances, but with 2 episodes left I'm not sure that's enough to be a great series by HBO standards. Season 1 True Detective may be the best thing HBO has done other than GOT the past few years and I'd put it on a whole different level than Night Of.
and that's likely due to this actually being cancelled after Gandolfini died. It got restarted and I'm not sure if production changed hands and whether that impacted the show or not.
Since its only 8 episodes its hard to really gauge how it will end since there still isn't a clear path (which I give them credit for pulling off).
Its still better than 99% of the shows that are out there and i'm wondering if they go Anthology and re new for a new story in season 2. I'm kind of hoping they don't. Losing Fukunaga for season 2 of TD was a deathwish on that show and unless there's some sort of continuity on the back end, I don't see how it will be a success long term.
have all been waiting to find out if the stab wounds match the knife he had on him. Remember in the first episode the knife was where they left it before going upstairs. The impression I got was that was not the knife that was used to kill her.
The cat is probably the key to revealing what happened...
Whether it matches the stab wounds to her torso, it will definitely match the wound to her hand where Nas stabbed her while playing that sick game.
that's also why it will have her blood on it. However, that wound was superficial and not lethal, so if the knife doesn't match the myriad of other wounds it should be able to shed doubt.
the fact this is at trial already I think we have to assume the forensics is complete and the prosecution and defense already know if the knife exonerates Nas. the fact he had no blood on him other than his hand probably should though and I imagine they checked the shower drains for blood or bleach, etc.
having the attorney kiss him. I just couldn't buy that happening. Having her do that is the antithesis of what they led us to believe her character would do.
First of all, the most clearing hole is why wasn't the lack of blood on Naz explained? He woke up in his clean tee shirt and clean hair. He just committed a gruesome bloody murder. Where is the blood on him? Did he shower off? Ok, test the shower. His hand? Ok, if he cut it during the murder and passed out in the kitchen, his hand would have been bleeding for a while. Where is his blood?
Personally, I'm going for the "if you smelt it, you dealt it." theory. It was the guy across the street who called it in.
It rebounded nicely from a couple iffy episodes.
I think we all guessed most of that situation with the estate, but the history was new.
Most likely answer is that he was her ex-boyfriend, although he's an odd match for her. But they both looked weirded out from seeing each other.
I was serious - I had no idea who that was. He looked very ratty and not like Mr. Khan.
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but that as Nas's dad. He was wearing a bike helmet, as he no longer has the cab to work.
I was serious - I had no idea who that was. He looked very ratty and not like Mr. Khan.
He's probably working a lot to pay for his sons attorney
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but that as Nas's dad. He was wearing a bike helmet, as he no longer has the cab to work.
I was serious - I had no idea who that was. He looked very ratty and not like Mr. Khan.
He's probably working a lot to pay for his sons attorney
Alright, well then - mystery solved! Great show!
Naz is really going above and beyond to fit in with Freddy's crew. Has SIN BAD tattooed on his hands, but separately it reads SIN BAD and doing hard core drugs with Freddy? Is it me or does it appear that the geeky, nerd Naz appeared to be in episode 1 seems to be enjoying being protected by Freddy (power trip) a bit. Maybe there is a darker side to Naz than we know?
Keep thinking that at some point Naz is going to have to do another "favor" for Freddy to even the score. Shudder to think what Freddy will make Naz do next... Although the reaction of Freddy's thug friend in the shower leads me to believe Freddy's next request will not be of a sexual nature and will either be drug related again or violence which could really hurt Naz in the end. Wouldn't it suck if Naz's favor to Freddy ended up keeping Naz in prison even if he is proven to be innocent of Andrea's murder.
I couldn't help but think with Freddy being a great boxer and Naz being such a good student that the 2 of them smoking whatever in Freddy's cell shined a light on the fact that the both of them ultimately ended up where they are today because of having done hard core drugs in the past...
Throughout the entire series I can't help but think that if Naz just took the first 2 assholes that got into his cab to their destination even though he didn't want to, he never would be in this predicament in the first place. I guess life really is all about decisions you make at times.
Nicely done how the DA uses the video to support Naz rejecting the first fare to pick up the girl instead. Hard to argue with that...
Love this show.
or....as Freddy asked him "how did you like your life on the outside" the more Nas thinks about it he didn't really like his life on the outside and at Rikers he's more accepted and does something Freddy asks to intentionally stay locked up.
not as cliched as FatHeadTommy's scenario, but would be a little bit of a letdown.
I think whoever did it is and was irrelevant to a point, it's about what they can prove. So Stone and Chandra just need reasonable doubt. someone else's blood on the scene, the lack of blood on Nas, etc.
Love the show, sad to see it go in 2 weeks, but its what makes good TV.
So as we know now, the suspects are:
1) Stepfather
2) Duane Reade
3) Hearst Driver
4) Naz
I tend to think it was the Stepfather who contracted Duane Reade or the Hearst Driver (Mr. Day?). There was some analogous imagery with the nailpolish and bloodsplatter when Chandra went to the Hearst Driver.
Chandra also is lookin pretty good on the show.
I wish they tied up some loose ends from the last episode though. What was that blue light? Did anything happen to Stone? What about the blood in the backyard? Is Duane Reade just someone we forget about?
There was just no need for them to emphasize his condition that much to have it magically go away in such a pointless fashion.
Most likely answer is that he was her ex-boyfriend, although he's an odd match for her. But they both looked weirded out from seeing each other.
That was Naz's Dad
Then again, this show does have misdirection, and I guess some of these leads or things we think will factor in may not matter after all.
It's very frustrating to see Naz freebasing blow in the prison while his family busts their ass to try and pay for his defense. Really really disheartening. I wouldn't be surprised if Naz dies in jail, kill someone in jail, or gets convicted after showing he was actually innocent after all to be honest - it would make the point of the show about the failings of the legal system, and how it turned a non-criminal into a criminal.
The prosecutions crooked experts is also stomach churning.
Stone doesn't decide to check out the victim's stepfather until the trial has already started?
Does everyone in this show just suck at their job or what?
And Naz is getting prison hand tattoos before the trial even starts. Is this supposed to be some kind of self sabotage?
Stone doesn't decide to check out the victim's stepfather until the trial has already started?
Does everyone in this show just suck at their job or what?
And Naz is getting prison hand tattoos before the trial even starts. Is this supposed to be some kind of self sabotage?
I don't think we are getting everything in real time. And since I don't really think the show is about the trial, its likely why there hasn't been a full start to finish, coherent investigation.
But to answer the question, we are saying a lot of realities, there's a ton of people who are bad at their job.
Stone doesn't decide to check out the victim's stepfather until the trial has already started?
Does everyone in this show just suck at their job or what?
And Naz is getting prison hand tattoos before the trial even starts. Is this supposed to be some kind of self sabotage?
I agree with Uconn, I don't think some of it is real time, but it also seems they would have been better off with 12 episodes.
that said, I was surprised they went right past jury selection to opening statements. We saw the juror video and that's it.
Anyway, I also agree with the trial/investigation, etc. if it is intended to be real time.
It seems they're still investigating - even Box, while the trial is happening, so that's why I'm hoping Uconn is right or it just doesn't make sense.
Interesting theory.
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Such as the stepfather paying Freddy to have Andrea killed; Freddy protecting Naz because he's been accused of the crime.
Interesting theory.
except the stepfather made 30 grand a year as a personal trainer.
not sure he had the cash to pay for a murder for hire.
It would tie things up nicely though if the stepfather paid Freddy and Freddy hired Dwayne Reed.
though, still don't see Dwayne Reed stabbing her 40 times. He'd have slit her throat or shot her, something more execution style, not personal like stabbing 40 times.
I really dislike the prosecutor, which means the actress is doing a good job.
Maybe it's just the physical type and the creepy use of scripture.
I really dislike the prosecutor, which means the actress is doing a good job.
If you noticed, they showed that the prosecutor had racks and rack of files on the case. I think from that we can say there have been many experts brought in. We also know that the prosecutor will dismiss any evidence or testimony that doesn't lead to a conviction
Hard to believe The Heartbreak Kid was 44 years ago. Berlin was directed by her mom, the great Elaine May, and won a bunch of awards and nominations for her performance as the bride Charles Grodin dumps on their honeymoon for Cybill Shepherd.
In my opinion, season one of _True Detective_ was way better.
In my opinion, season one of _True Detective_ was way better.
Totally agree. Each episode has had diminishing returns in that they continue to build the main mystery of "what actually happened" vs. doing anything substantive in each episode. They've gotten their point about the justice system across and there have been some very good performances, but with 2 episodes left I'm not sure that's enough to be a great series by HBO standards. Season 1 True Detective may be the best thing HBO has done other than GOT the past few years and I'd put it on a whole different level than Night Of.
Since its only 8 episodes its hard to really gauge how it will end since there still isn't a clear path (which I give them credit for pulling off).
Its still better than 99% of the shows that are out there and i'm wondering if they go Anthology and re new for a new story in season 2. I'm kind of hoping they don't. Losing Fukunaga for season 2 of TD was a deathwish on that show and unless there's some sort of continuity on the back end, I don't see how it will be a success long term.
thanks Dexter.
that's also why it will have her blood on it. However, that wound was superficial and not lethal, so if the knife doesn't match the myriad of other wounds it should be able to shed doubt.
the fact this is at trial already I think we have to assume the forensics is complete and the prosecution and defense already know if the knife exonerates Nas. the fact he had no blood on him other than his hand probably should though and I imagine they checked the shower drains for blood or bleach, etc.
What were you thinking? 'Dessert' .. Classic
Personally, I'm going for the "if you smelt it, you dealt it." theory. It was the guy across the street who called it in.