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Mcadoo And Domestic Violence

Old Dirty Beckham : 8/18/2016 10:43 am
In His opening remarks he mentioned how he will not tolerate Domestic Violence. I read the report on Brown's incident and it doesnt seem like much but domestic violence is domestic violence.

I'm surprised Mcadoo isnt cutting brown.
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RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:
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In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


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Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience


It's unfortunate that you had this experience but you're calling it "similar" without really knowing anything about what happened in Brown's home. This is also not some random crazy college bro scenario. This is a man and his wife who have been married for years and live together.

The guy in your situation acted very inappropriately and it's possible Brown did as well but we simply don't know enough to just assume he did the same type of thing.
I'm curious  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/18/2016 12:22 pm : link
why the delay in making a ruling?
RE: If your spouse is Canadian  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/18/2016 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13075959 Davisian said:
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Would the violence be domestic or imported?

Asking for a friend.


It depends if you're drinking Sam Adams or Brador.
Point of caution  
fbdad : 8/18/2016 12:27 pm : link
There has been no release of what the conduct was that got Brown into trouble. The article points to an incident in the past but there's no verified connection between whatever happened in Brown's home in 2015 and his suspension of conduct now.
AP..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2016 12:29 pm : link
I believe Brown has been appealing the situation for over 6 months.
RE: It doesnt matter when this incident occured  
UConn4523 : 8/18/2016 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13075827 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Mcadoo said he will not tolerate Domestic Violence. The levels of domestic violence shouldnt matter.

Sets a bad precedent in my mind.


You make every single thing this organization does an issue. You have absolutely no idea what the facts are, what message is being conveyed, and even what power McAdoo has with this roster. Give it a rest.
RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
fbdad : 8/18/2016 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:
Quote:
In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


Quote:


Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience


I'm sorry for your experience but there is nothing similar between a man you barely know forcing his way into your home and pinning you against the wall and a husband grabbing his wife's wrist to restrain her (and then apparently releasing her since the phone call was made). Domestic violence is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG but it isn't black and white. Physical contact does not equal domestic violence. There is lots of contact between spouses, that even if it isn't loving, isn't violence.
RE: RE: It doesnt matter when this incident occured  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/18/2016 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13075988 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13075827 Old Dirty Beckham said:


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Mcadoo said he will not tolerate Domestic Violence. The levels of domestic violence shouldnt matter.

Sets a bad precedent in my mind.



You make every single thing this organization does an issue. You have absolutely no idea what the facts are, what message is being conveyed, and even what power McAdoo has with this roster. Give it a rest.


What else have I made an issue of? My feelings on them keeping/cutting players? Isnt that what this board is for?
RE: RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
LadyGiant : 8/18/2016 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13075963 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:


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In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


Quote:


Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience



It's unfortunate that you had this experience but you're calling it "similar" without really knowing anything about what happened in Brown's home. This is also not some random crazy college bro scenario. This is a man and his wife who have been married for years and live together.

The guy in your situation acted very inappropriately and it's possible Brown did as well but we simply don't know enough to just assume he did the same type of thing.


I didn't say that the incidences was similar. My intention was to point out the obvious physical differences between a man and a woman and the ability of a man to exert force and intimidate a woman is very real regardless of the type and or length of said relationship.
Now, if I were to take your statement completely out of context in the same manner, even when emotions are heated between a man and wife, who are supposed to be in a close, bonded relationship it doesn't give any man the right to exert his force.
However, that would be completely ridiculous because I know from reading your comment that isn't what you meant. So please be careful to read what mine said and know that isn't what I meant.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
Davisian : 8/18/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13075995 LadyGiant said:
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In comment 13075963 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:


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In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


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As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen...



I didn't say that the incidences was similar. My intention was to point out the obvious physical differences between a man and a woman and the ability of a man to exert force and intimidate a woman is very real regardless of the type and or length of said relationship.
Now, if I were to take your statement completely out of context in the same manner, even when emotions are heated between a man and wife, who are supposed to be in a close, bonded relationship it doesn't give any man the right to exert his force.
However, that would be completely ridiculous because I know from reading your comment that isn't what you meant. So please be careful to read what mine said and know that isn't what I meant.



I know what you meant and I agree with your overall point, but...

RE: RE: RE: It doesnt matter when this incident occured  
UConn4523 : 8/18/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13075994 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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In comment 13075988 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 13075827 Old Dirty Beckham said:


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Mcadoo said he will not tolerate Domestic Violence. The levels of domestic violence shouldnt matter.

Sets a bad precedent in my mind.



You make every single thing this organization does an issue. You have absolutely no idea what the facts are, what message is being conveyed, and even what power McAdoo has with this roster. Give it a rest.



What else have I made an issue of? My feelings on them keeping/cutting players? Isnt that what this board is for?


I haven't memorized your thread history but you frequently post about this team not knowing what they are doing or questioning their every move.

This board is for doing just that, but you meet the quota for all of us. You are reacting without knowing facts, questioning how McAdoo can say what he did but still keep Brown on the roster. Not sure how you can do that when we really have no idea what happened.
Isn't McAdoo..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2016 12:43 pm : link
too busy promoting himself as the smartest guy in the room and figuring out ways to hide how he's going to bench Eli from the preseason opponents?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2016 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13075995 LadyGiant said:
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In comment 13075963 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:


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In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


Quote:


Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience



It's unfortunate that you had this experience but you're calling it "similar" without really knowing anything about what happened in Brown's home. This is also not some random crazy college bro scenario. This is a man and his wife who have been married for years and live together.

The guy in your situation acted very inappropriately and it's possible Brown did as well but we simply don't know enough to just assume he did the same type of thing.



I didn't say that the incidences was similar. My intention was to point out the obvious physical differences between a man and a woman and the ability of a man to exert force and intimidate a woman is very real regardless of the type and or length of said relationship.
Now, if I were to take your statement completely out of context in the same manner, even when emotions are heated between a man and wife, who are supposed to be in a close, bonded relationship it doesn't give any man the right to exert his force.
However, that would be completely ridiculous because I know from reading your comment that isn't what you meant. So please be careful to read what mine said and know that isn't what I meant.


You didn't say the incidents were similar?

Might want to re-read your post because as a matter of fact, those were your exact words.
Now that is amazing...  
Doomster : 8/18/2016 12:45 pm : link
Let's look at an extreme
Still a Sam Huff fan : 11:13 am : link : reply


can you go look at your crystal ball again and tell me what the PowerBall # is?
RE: Isn't McAdoo..  
B in ALB : 8/18/2016 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13076011 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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too busy promoting himself as the smartest guy in the room and figuring out ways to hide how he's going to bench Eli from the preseason opponents?


I thought he was too busy working on trading Nassib and bringing in Johnny Manziel so Eli can mentor him per "est1986's" awesome knowledge of football? No time for domestic violence with that kind of championship activity going on.
Brown also said he's run out of appeals  
fkap : 8/18/2016 12:48 pm : link
it's not really clear whether the appeals are league or the justice system.

At this point, there's really only two positions: either he's getting railroaded, or he's guilty.
It's been reviewed, reviewed again, and then reviewed again. and he's suspended for a game.

being guilty isn't good, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve another chance.

or he may be getting railroaded.
RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/18/2016 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:
Quote:
In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


Quote:


Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience


But I apologized the following day
RE: Now that is amazing...  
Big Blue '56 : 8/18/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13076022 Doomster said:
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Let's look at an extreme
Still a Sam Huff fan : 11:13 am : link : reply


can you go look at your crystal ball again and tell me what the PowerBall # is?


Doomy, that was a reasonable and unfortunately not an uncommon scenario
RE: Brown also said he's run out of appeals  
ron mexico : 8/18/2016 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13076034 fkap said:
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it's not really clear whether the appeals are league or the justice system.

At this point, there's really only two positions: either he's getting railroaded, or he's guilty.
It's been reviewed, reviewed again, and then reviewed again. and he's suspended for a game.

being guilty isn't good, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve another chance.

or he may be getting railroaded.


since the legal case was dropped 5 days later, its clear the appeals were with the NFL

Not sure if it changed...  
Ryan : 8/18/2016 1:02 pm : link
...in the most recent incarnation of the CBA but teams generally aren't permitted to levy additional penalties on top of what the leagues deems (via the power granted by the CBA) to be appropriate punishment for violation of it's rules.

Given that the charges were dropped 15 months ago and Brown has taken the appeals process to limits then I'm not sure that the whole topic isn't moot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
LadyGiant : 8/18/2016 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13076020 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13075995 LadyGiant said:


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In comment 13075963 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:


Quote:


In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


Quote:


Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience



It's unfortunate that you had this experience but you're calling it "similar" without really knowing anything about what happened in Brown's home. This is also not some random crazy college bro scenario. This is a man and his wife who have been married for years and live together.

The guy in your situation acted very inappropriately and it's possible Brown did as well but we simply don't know enough to just assume he did the same type of thing.



I didn't say that the incidences was similar. My intention was to point out the obvious physical differences between a man and a woman and the ability of a man to exert force and intimidate a woman is very real regardless of the type and or length of said relationship.
Now, if I were to take your statement completely out of context in the same manner, even when emotions are heated between a man and wife, who are supposed to be in a close, bonded relationship it doesn't give any man the right to exert his force.
However, that would be completely ridiculous because I know from reading your comment that isn't what you meant. So please be careful to read what mine said and know that isn't what I meant.



You didn't say the incidents were similar?

Might want to re-read your post because as a matter of fact, those were your exact words.


The similarity in both is that I was grabbed with force by my wrist… From what is indicated here and let's make it clear that we don't have her side of the story, force was used in this incident… Enough force that warranted her to call 911 and involve the police.
What she exaggerating and was it just something playful going on if so why did she have to call the police and get them involved? Was this overreaction on her part? Maybe so but it is on a police blotter right now and she felt strongly enough to call the police, knowing he was an NFL player and that this would become a public matter. There's something behind the scenes here that nobody knows about. And if it were me in her shoes, if it were just a playful incident where too much force was accidentally used against me I wouldn't have endangered my husband's career by calling the police.
Anyway, The NFL policy has Josh Brown suspended for one game… And since apparently by some reports she is over it, he's going to have to serve it out.
BUT..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2016 1:08 pm : link
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Not sure if it changed...
Ryan : 1:02 pm : link : reply
...in the most recent incarnation of the CBA but teams generally aren't permitted to levy additional penalties on top of what the leagues deems (via the power granted by the CBA) to be appropriate punishment for violation of it's rules.

Given that the charges were dropped 15 months ago and Brown has taken the appeals process to limits then I'm not sure that the whole topic isn't moot.


McAdoo said "NO TOLERANCE", and the fucker has been tolerating it since May of last year. He should have cut Brown while TC was still coach.

That would show some brass balls for the sweatsuit-wearing maniac!
well people call the police all the time  
UConn4523 : 8/18/2016 1:09 pm : link
and claim things that aren't true. Not saying that's what happened, but it could have been a threat that she went through with to try and tarnish his image, get him in trouble, etc.

Anything is possible really, but there just isn't enough to go off of.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's look at an extreme  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2016 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13076075 LadyGiant said:
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In comment 13076020 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13075995 LadyGiant said:


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In comment 13075963 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:


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In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:


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Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up


The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????



As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience



It's unfortunate that you had this experience but you're calling it "similar" without really knowing anything about what happened in Brown's home. This is also not some random crazy college bro scenario. This is a man and his wife who have been married for years and live together.

The guy in your situation acted very inappropriately and it's possible Brown did as well but we simply don't know enough to just assume he did the same type of thing.



I didn't say that the incidences was similar. My intention was to point out the obvious physical differences between a man and a woman and the ability of a man to exert force and intimidate a woman is very real regardless of the type and or length of said relationship.
Now, if I were to take your statement completely out of context in the same manner, even when emotions are heated between a man and wife, who are supposed to be in a close, bonded relationship it doesn't give any man the right to exert his force.
However, that would be completely ridiculous because I know from reading your comment that isn't what you meant. So please be careful to read what mine said and know that isn't what I meant.



You didn't say the incidents were similar?

Might want to re-read your post because as a matter of fact, those were your exact words.



The similarity in both is that I was grabbed with force by my wrist… From what is indicated here and let's make it clear that we don't have her side of the story, force was used in this incident… Enough force that warranted her to call 911 and involve the police.
What she exaggerating and was it just something playful going on if so why did she have to call the police and get them involved? Was this overreaction on her part? Maybe so but it is on a police blotter right now and she felt strongly enough to call the police, knowing he was an NFL player and that this would become a public matter. There's something behind the scenes here that nobody knows about. And if it were me in her shoes, if it were just a playful incident where too much force was accidentally used against me I wouldn't have endangered my husband's career by calling the police.
Anyway, The NFL policy has Josh Brown suspended for one game… And since apparently by some reports she is over it, he's going to have to serve it out.


You're using the word "playful" repeatedly as if that was my assertion. My only point is that none of us know the manner in which this occurred, what led up to it or what it was that prompted his wife to call the police in the first place. Comparing his situation to your own where some guy you barely knew barged into your dorm room and forcefully grabbed you isn't really fair given how little is actually known about this case. What we do know is that the charges were dropped.

At no point have I ever condoned DV nor would I. But I am not going to make assumptions about the incident given how little we've been told about it.
RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
Gmaniac1 : 8/18/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13075960 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Uhhh. Sounds like you could have grabbed her arm to stop her from hitting you and removed yourself from the situation. When you judo swept her to the ground you then became a piece of shit.

Just my opinion though.

You're not wrong... and I'm not going to directly contradict you.

I will, however, say that it's easy to muse about these things outside the situation/moment and know just what to do. Too easy.

I hope that doesn't sound like I'm trying to give myself a pass or justify myself. I don't. I was wrong, period. I've never even come close to DV before or since... and I am still sometimes stabbed by that memory.

btw: I went on to marry that woman... just had kid #3 and still going strong. We both had a lot of work to do by ourselves and together to get to where we are now.
Men will bend over fucking backwards  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/18/2016 4:41 pm : link
to avoid labelling another man a domestic abuser..

"Not all men! Not all men!"

"We don't have all the facts!"

No, but as LadyGiant said, we know this was a big enough incident for her to call law enforcement.

Do we have all the facts? No, but I just find it curious that crimes against women are the only fucking time men have this reaction. If he was accused of embezzlement we would have a thread full of comments about what an ass he was.

RE: Men will bend over fucking backwards  
njm : 8/18/2016 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13076496 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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to avoid labelling another man a domestic abuser..

"Not all men! Not all men!"

"We don't have all the facts!"

No, but as LadyGiant said, we know this was a big enough incident for her to call law enforcement.

Do we have all the facts? No, but I just find it curious that crimes against women are the only fucking time men have this reaction. If he was accused of embezzlement we would have a thread full of comments about what an ass he was.


Who defended Ray Rice?
Odd DV law in Florida  
mrvax : 8/18/2016 6:19 pm : link
For many offenses, if they are a misdemeanor, you can get a one-time record seal to prevent the offender from being screwed for life.

If you go to a neighbor's house and get involved in a knock down drag out fight, you get charged w/ assault & battery. You can get that sealed.

However, if you shove your brother at home during an incident you will receive a domestic violence assault charge. You can NEVER get a DV charge of any type sealed...ever.

I find this law just flat out f'ing stupid. Can anyone think of the justice this was supposed to convey/why the law is set up this way?


RE: Men will bend over fucking backwards  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2016 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13076496 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
Quote:
to avoid labelling another man a domestic abuser..

"Not all men! Not all men!"

"We don't have all the facts!"

No, but as LadyGiant said, we know this was a big enough incident for her to call law enforcement.

Do we have all the facts? No, but I just find it curious that crimes against women are the only fucking time men have this reaction. If he was accused of embezzlement we would have a thread full of comments about what an ass he was.


What a stupid post.

No one was defending Rice or Hardy and no one is defending Brown. Some of us just aren't ready to castrate the guy without having any idea what actually happened.

Sorry it bothers you so much that not everyone is jumping the gun and calling Brown an abusive monster.
RE: RE: Men will bend over fucking backwards  
B in ALB : 8/18/2016 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13076589 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 13076496 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


Quote:


to avoid labelling another man a domestic abuser..

"Not all men! Not all men!"

"We don't have all the facts!"

No, but as LadyGiant said, we know this was a big enough incident for her to call law enforcement.

Do we have all the facts? No, but I just find it curious that crimes against women are the only fucking time men have this reaction. If he was accused of embezzlement we would have a thread full of comments about what an ass he was.




What a stupid post.

No one was defending Rice or Hardy and no one is defending Brown. Some of us just aren't ready to castrate the guy without having any idea what actually happened.

Sorry it bothers you so much that not everyone is jumping the gun and calling Brown an abusive monster.


Exactly. Good post arc.
RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
shelovesnycsports : 8/18/2016 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13075951 Gmaniac1 said:
Quote:
... back when I was in college, I had one of those crazy girlfriends like you read about. One night, after we had both been drinking (her a lot more than me), we got into a verbal fight over the fact that she had cheated on me.

As you might imagine, we were both upset. Words were said back and forth.

She began pushing and hitting me. Not enough to do any real damage... she's a girl and I'm a guy and all that. But still pretty aggravating... especially in an already heated situation.

I verbally asked her to stop to no avail. I didn't want to just walk away because she was really drunk and we were out somewhere. It would have been wrong to leave her, IMO.

So my idea in the moment was... (and this was probably a bad idea, admittedly)... to catch her arms as she lashed out at me and perform a kind of judo sweep of her legs in order to place her on the ground. I did NOT just want to trip her.

As things turned out, though, she ended up taking a pretty good tumble to the ground. I don't think any real damage was done... but she was drunk and a bit of a drama queen (IMO) and she lost it. Crying, yelling... you can imagine.

I felt terrible but it was just a mess at that point.

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Am I an abuser? A beater? Would you label me after learning these particulars of one incident?

---------

I tell my story because there are just a lot of different variables in a situation like this... and greater discernment than just either you are a domestic abuser or you aren't seems to be necessary.

This is my favorite post
If you did this to me I would kick your balls so par up your body they would come out your mouth.
His wife called the Police which means she was distressed enough to fear for her safety! That alone is enough for him to be punished. He went over the the line.
Anybody remember this ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/18/2016 7:39 pm : link
There was a long thread about this on BBI. Who's at fault here ? The guy or the girl ? According to this Beckham troll if this guy played for Mcadoo he should be cut
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RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
nygiants16 : 8/18/2016 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13076639 shelovesnycsports said:
Quote:
In comment 13075951 Gmaniac1 said:


Quote:


... back when I was in college, I had one of those crazy girlfriends like you read about. One night, after we had both been drinking (her a lot more than me), we got into a verbal fight over the fact that she had cheated on me.

As you might imagine, we were both upset. Words were said back and forth.

She began pushing and hitting me. Not enough to do any real damage... she's a girl and I'm a guy and all that. But still pretty aggravating... especially in an already heated situation.

I verbally asked her to stop to no avail. I didn't want to just walk away because she was really drunk and we were out somewhere. It would have been wrong to leave her, IMO.

So my idea in the moment was... (and this was probably a bad idea, admittedly)... to catch her arms as she lashed out at me and perform a kind of judo sweep of her legs in order to place her on the ground. I did NOT just want to trip her.

As things turned out, though, she ended up taking a pretty good tumble to the ground. I don't think any real damage was done... but she was drunk and a bit of a drama queen (IMO) and she lost it. Crying, yelling... you can imagine.

I felt terrible but it was just a mess at that point.

---------

Am I an abuser? A beater? Would you label me after learning these particulars of one incident?

---------

I tell my story because there are just a lot of different variables in a situation like this... and greater discernment than just either you are a domestic abuser or you aren't seems to be necessary.




not going to lie if I am in a bar and I see a guy do what you did to a girl, drunk or not, I am probably going to knock you out...I am surprised another guy who saw it did not come over and confront you
...  
kelsto811 : 8/18/2016 7:52 pm : link
Title of this article from Daily News reads

"HEAR IT: Ex-wife of Giants kicker Josh Brown told police he had become physically violent with her more than 20 times"
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RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
section125 : 8/18/2016 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13075960 Old Dirty Beckham said:
Quote:
In comment 13075951 Gmaniac1 said:


Quote:


... back when I was in college, I had one of those crazy girlfriends like you read about. One night, after we had both been drinking (her a lot more than me), we got into a verbal fight over the fact that she had cheated on me.

As you might imagine, we were both upset. Words were said back and forth.

She began pushing and hitting me. Not enough to do any real damage... she's a girl and I'm a guy and all that. But still pretty aggravating... especially in an already heated situation.

I verbally asked her to stop to no avail. I didn't want to just walk away because she was really drunk and we were out somewhere. It would have been wrong to leave her, IMO.

So my idea in the moment was... (and this was probably a bad idea, admittedly)... to catch her arms as she lashed out at me and perform a kind of judo sweep of her legs in order to place her on the ground. I did NOT just want to trip her.

As things turned out, though, she ended up taking a pretty good tumble to the ground. I don't think any real damage was done... but she was drunk and a bit of a drama queen (IMO) and she lost it. Crying, yelling... you can imagine.

I felt terrible but it was just a mess at that point.

---------

Am I an abuser? A beater? Would you label me after learning these particulars of one incident?

---------

I tell my story because there are just a lot of different variables in a situation like this... and greater discernment than just either you are a domestic abuser or you aren't seems to be necessary.



Uhhh. Sounds like you could have grabbed her arm to stop her from hitting you and removed yourself from the situation. When you judo swept her to the ground you then became a piece of shit.

Just my opinion though.


Why? Not allowed to defend yourself? Sorry, but somebody attacks me, I have a right to defend myself. Woman starts a fight, they cannot hide behind domestic violence.
yeah just read that NYDN article  
yankees78 : 8/18/2016 7:58 pm : link
Get cracking McAdoo
Yikes..  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2016 8:06 pm : link
That article certainly does not paint a good picture of JB. Not good.
RE: Yikes..  
phillygiant : 8/18/2016 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13076670 arcarsenal said:
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That article certainly does not paint a good picture of JB. Not good.


Always 2 sides to every story

None of us will ever know

Of course there are..  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2016 8:14 pm : link
That's a lot for his ex wife to just make up at random, though.
RE: Of course there are..  
Greg from LI : 8/18/2016 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13076674 arcarsenal said:
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That's a lot for his ex wife to just make up at random, though.


Hardly unusual in a bitter marital split, though. It's a disturbing story that the Giants need to investigate, but in and of itself it's an accusation without any corroborating details.
On the topic of McAdoo  
Giantology : 8/18/2016 9:53 pm : link
I may be reading too far into this, but I found it interesting:

Quote:
“We’re going to give Tom an opportunity to kick a lot this Saturday [in Buffalo] and we’ll see how he does … he has a golden opportunity,” McAdoo said.


Sounds to me like Obarski is being given a shot to stick beyond Week 1.
Either way, he has a golden opportunity  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/18/2016 9:55 pm : link
Just like McManus, what he does on Saturday is an audition tape for the whole league.

RE: On the topic of McAdoo  
phillygiant : 8/18/2016 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13076798 Giantology said:
Quote:
I may be reading too far into this, but I found it interesting:



Quote:


“We’re going to give Tom an opportunity to kick a lot this Saturday [in Buffalo] and we’ll see how he does … he has a golden opportunity,” McAdoo said.



Sounds to me like Obarski is being given a shot to stick beyond Week 1.


No it doesn't

They just signed Brown to a 2 year extension and this happened and the team knew about this before they signed him to an extension

Nice job
RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
Gmaniac1 : 8/19/2016 5:42 am : link
In comment 13076639 shelovesnycsports said:
This is my favorite post
If you did this to me I would kick your balls so par up your body they would come out your mouth.[/quote]
If you had had as much to drink as my girlfriend did on this particular night... I highly doubt it.
RE: RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
Gmaniac1 : 8/19/2016 5:47 am : link
In comment 13076648 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
not going to lie if I am in a bar and I see a guy do what you did to a girl, drunk or not, I am probably going to knock you out...I am surprised another guy who saw it did not come over and confront you

Well... you weren't there, fortunately for all.

The fact that I didn't get knocked out by some 'knight in shining armor' should tell you something, though... it was an alcohol fueled mess and my girlfriend was in full crazy mode.

Again, not trying to justify myself... I fully admit my fault, as I said earlier.
Josh Brown  
Carson53 : 8/19/2016 10:43 am : link
is a P.O.S, and the Giants should cut him...

'I had a moment', and 'I have been playing with this over
my head for a year now'...Hey buddy, my violin is ready
for you. The guy wants to play the martyr card, like really?
I don't know all the facts, there are only TWO people
who do, I think we can presume this was not just a two night incident. It would be naive and somewhat delusional, to think otherwise. They went to therapy together right?
That doesn't happen based on one incident, not rocket science there folks.

As far as Mac, he is just full of shit, speaks with forked
tongue as I mentioned yesterday.
RE: RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
shelovesnycsports : 8/19/2016 11:48 am : link
In comment 13076966 Gmaniac1 said:
Quote:
In comment 13076639 shelovesnycsports said:
This is my favorite post
If you did this to me I would kick your balls so par up your body they would come out your mouth.

If you had had as much to drink as my girlfriend did on this particular night... I highly doubt it. [/quote]
What you did is over the line, Karate Kid. I am not saying stand there and get hit, leave,avoid,Walk away. Think about it.
RE: Josh Brown  
phillygiant : 8/19/2016 11:53 am : link
In comment 13077323 Carson53 said:
Quote:
is a P.O.S, and the Giants should cut him...

'I had a moment', and 'I have been playing with this over
my head for a year now'...Hey buddy, my violin is ready
for you. The guy wants to play the martyr card, like really?
I don't know all the facts, there are only TWO people
who do, I think we can presume this was not just a two night incident. It would be naive and somewhat delusional, to think otherwise. They went to therapy together right?
That doesn't happen based on one incident, not rocket science there folks.

As far as Mac, he is just full of shit, speaks with forked
tongue as I mentioned yesterday.


Because couples only go to therapy due to domestic violence issues?

Neither you or I know what happened behind closed doors so to be so definitive makes you looks foolish

Divorce can be a very ugly process and at times things can be said that aren't necessarily true

Nobody knows
Giants are getting crushed and  
Metnut : 8/19/2016 12:12 pm : link
mocked all over the place by the national media today over this. Bad look for the franchise.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll relate an experience from my past...  
Gmaniac1 : 8/19/2016 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13077448 shelovesnycsports said:
Quote:
What you did is over the line, Karate Kid. I am not saying stand there and get hit, leave,avoid,Walk away. Think about it.

If you go back and read through my posts in this thread, you'll see that 1.) I agree with you that what I did was over the line and 2.) I have already talked about why I didn't leave the situation in question.
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