Mcadoo And Domestic Violence

thought of those remarks as well.

I read the report on Brown's incident and it doesnt seem like much

So lets cut the guy????????????

but from the reports, this isn't close to the same as Rice or Hardy or AP.

said he will absolutely not tolerate domestic violence.

Isn't he tolerating it?

i was surprised by the choice of words "we support josh brown" in the wake of a domestic violence allegation gone public. why not say "we're disappointed in the penalty and the actions josh took to put himself in this position" or just say "we're disappointed in the penalty but we fully support the reasons behind it" and leave it at that?

it doesn't sound like you're supporting the victims of domestic violence when you come out and say "we support the offender."

In comment 13075801 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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said he will absolutely not tolerate domestic violence. Isn't he tolerating it?

Yes...until Tom Obarski nails a game-winning 50-yarder.

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None of us have enough details to know how much of a DV situation this really was. Perhaps McAdoo knows more than us about it or also does not have enough information.

I am certainly of the camp that DV is unacceptable regardless of the degree but I do think you have to treat certain cases differently. What someone like Greg Hardy did was appalling and I don't think a guy like that deserves a 2nd chance. If all Brown did was grab his wife's wrist in the heat of the moment during an argument, I don't condone it but I also think maybe he made a mistake that he'll learn from and won't let it happen again. Maybe McAdoo feels similarly.

but also not be exclusively talking about Brown's situation?

In comment 13075813 UConn4523 said:

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but also not be exclusively talking about Brown's situation?

Not sure what you mean.

That doesn't excuse anything, but there's a difference between putting the team on notice regarding future behavior on his watch and punishing a player for something that was already history when he took over.

before we hang this young man?

Perhaps Brown has already spoken with the Giants. Perhaps the Giants were well aware of what was coming. Perhaps the Giants have all the info we don't have...we can wait a day or two before we break out the torches.

In comment 13075817 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 13075813 UConn4523 said: Quote: but also not be exclusively talking about Brown's situation? Not sure what you mean.

DV is an issue and in addition to dealing with whatever they consider Brown did, it's also a good time to remind everyone he doesn't tolerate it.

Mcadoo said he will not tolerate Domestic Violence. The levels of domestic violence shouldnt matter.

Sets a bad precedent in my mind.

to anyone else

In comment 13075831 Greg from LI said:

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You condone domestic violence. I dont.

proactively sought anger management and/or marriage counciling after this (minor) incident? Or Giants management spoke to both Brown and his wife and got the details of what happened? We don't yet know all the details, so maybe we should put the pitch forks down for a little bit.

I'm just raising a point. The coach without hesitation said he wouldnt tolerate domestic violence.

I find it interesting in handling his first case of DV, despite how "minor" some of you may think it is he threw his support behind the player. No mention of disappointment.

Seems completely contradictory.

In comment 13075834 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 13075831 Greg from LI said: Quote: to anyone else You condone domestic violence. I dont.

What's your stance on financial advisors who steal money from their clients?

How do we know he's really "tolerating domestic violence", though? That's kind of a reach considering none of us know what actually went on or what has been communicated between Brown and McAdoo since.

Here is a simple but silly explanation:
Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough
Brown says : You cook like your mother
Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him
Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose
Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police
The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him
By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up
The NFL has no tolerance for DV
He was arrested therefore he is suspended.
No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world

Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????

In comment 13075834 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 13075831 Greg from LI said: Quote: to anyone else You condone domestic violence. I dont.

Few people condone domestic violence...fewer people look at everything in black white...there are ways of dealing with this situation without cutting a player.

Wait for all the info to come out.

In comment 13075827 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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Mcadoo said he will not tolerate Domestic Violence. The levels of domestic violence shouldnt matter. Sets a bad precedent in my mind.

I think what was implied in his statements was level of "team embarrassment" ...he put the players on notice and warned "whatever you do control yourself since your livelihood is at risk" and we don't want team embarrassment....a Ray Rice or Greg Hardy won't be tolerated. I don't think the Josh Brown incident can be characterized to the level of Rice or Hardy.

Not tolerating can mean lesser things than cutting a player.

Perhaps what Brown did does not qualify under the CBA as something that allows the Giants to cut him.

If McAdoo were to say and mean, that he will cut a player for a domestic violence arrest, then a Giants player who wants to go to another team for a bigger salary can tell his wife to call the police and accuse him of violence.

In any event, the issue is not as cut and dried for the Giants as one might think.

IS there more to it? If this is all, then IMO he should never be charged with anything. If everyone who grabs someones wrist is charged, then every person here on BBI would have one.

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In comment 13075831 Greg from LI said: Quote: to anyone else You condone domestic violence. I dont.

Sigh.

Until some actual information comes out beyond him grabbing her wrist, I'm not going to agree that this is "domestic violence".

With the caveat that we don't know all the details of the incident with Brown, it is perfectly reasonable to for one to take the position that grabbing a woman's wrist does not amount to domestic violence. Under the letter of the law in Washington St, apparently it does, but I don't see why that would be binding on the opinion of everyone everywhere. I see no inconsistency between taking a position that domestic violence is not tolerable, while also taking the position that grabbing a woman's wrist is not a truly violent act and falls below the level of what's not tolerable. I actually find it surprising that anyone would have difficulty seeing that distinction.

I have been in similar situations and there are HR procedures for certain situations, other matters obviously arise if there is a criminal act. One can say, as I have said, that no act of sexual harassment or violence is tolerated, and still have procedures and different levels of sanctions.

I would see hypocrisy in MacAdoo if he said something like "it's a private matter". But for all we know the Giants are treating this with the utmost seriousness.

I'll just wait and see.

In comment 13075870 DonQuixote said:

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I have been in similar situations and there are HR procedures for certain situations, other matters obviously arise if there is a criminal act. One can say, as I have said, that no act of sexual harassment or violence is tolerated, and still have procedures and different levels of sanctions. I would see hypocrisy in MacAdoo if he said something like "it's a private matter". But for all we know the Giants are treating this with the utmost seriousness. I'll just wait and see.

He said they supported Josh. That sounds like a stupid thing to say.

...and she weighs about 90#.

His wife had every right to contact the authorities if he touched her in any way she felt uncomfortable with. That doesn't necessarily mean he acted in a violent or threatening way. It's a minor blip on the radar an intelligent man should learn from.

In comment 13075875 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 13075870 DonQuixote said: Quote: I have been in similar situations and there are HR procedures for certain situations, other matters obviously arise if there is a criminal act. One can say, as I have said, that no act of sexual harassment or violence is tolerated, and still have procedures and different levels of sanctions. I would see hypocrisy in MacAdoo if he said something like "it's a private matter". But for all we know the Giants are treating this with the utmost seriousness. I'll just wait and see. He said they supported Josh. That sounds like a stupid thing to say.

Maybe he actually knows more about the situation than you do? Is that really a hard thing to comprehend?

In comment 13075875 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 13075870 DonQuixote said: Quote: I have been in similar situations and there are HR procedures for certain situations, other matters obviously arise if there is a criminal act. One can say, as I have said, that no act of sexual harassment or violence is tolerated, and still have procedures and different levels of sanctions. I would see hypocrisy in MacAdoo if he said something like "it's a private matter". But for all we know the Giants are treating this with the utmost seriousness. I'll just wait and see. He said they supported Josh. That sounds like a stupid thing to say.

Just reading from Eric's updates, it sounds like the Giants may not have agreed with the leagues evaluation of the circumstances. I have always supported my employees even when they struggle with their personal lives. Even as I have required counseling and put serious things in their employment records, it is also my responsibility to make sure they are getting treated fairly. You have an employee who for example has a DWI, you can say they get what they deserve, or you can be supportive of their making life changes without approving of their discretions. What would be unfair is trouncing the rights of the victim/survivor, so it is important that your procedures never do that.

Or does it mean consequences 100% of the time? I don't think this incident should carry the same punishment that Ray Rice got, or should have gotten.

Also, although of questionable relevance, the incident occurred before McAdoo became HC.

Was there more that came out about the story that I missed? Last I heard he grabbed a wrist. At some point harmful words will be a domestic violence crime.

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Domestic violence charge against Giants' Josh Brown was dropped, court says - ( New Window )

he was asked a question at the end of a very long press conference anhe what he wouldn't tolerate and he answered with the easy talking point of DV

Its not like he lead off the press conference with a well defined policy

perspective, proportion, and evaluation. Real life is simply not binary.

In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said:

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Here is a simple but silly explanation: Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough Brown says : You cook like your mother Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up The NFL has no tolerance for DV He was arrested therefore he is suspended. No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ?????

As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side:

In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home.
Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle.
Just a fact from a woman's experience

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And the charges were dropped moron

You have no idea what happened so maybe you should STFU!!!

... back when I was in college, I had one of those crazy girlfriends like you read about. One night, after we had both been drinking (her a lot more than me), we got into a verbal fight over the fact that she had cheated on me.

As you might imagine, we were both upset. Words were said back and forth.

She began pushing and hitting me. Not enough to do any real damage... she's a girl and I'm a guy and all that. But still pretty aggravating... especially in an already heated situation.

I verbally asked her to stop to no avail. I didn't want to just walk away because she was really drunk and we were out somewhere. It would have been wrong to leave her, IMO.

So my idea in the moment was... (and this was probably a bad idea, admittedly)... to catch her arms as she lashed out at me and perform a kind of judo sweep of her legs in order to place her on the ground. I did NOT just want to trip her.

As things turned out, though, she ended up taking a pretty good tumble to the ground. I don't think any real damage was done... but she was drunk and a bit of a drama queen (IMO) and she lost it. Crying, yelling... you can imagine.

I felt terrible but it was just a mess at that point.

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Am I an abuser? A beater? Would you label me after learning these particulars of one incident?

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I tell my story because there are just a lot of different variables in a situation like this... and greater discernment than just either you are a domestic abuser or you aren't seems to be necessary.

In comment 13075949 phillygiant said:

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In comment 13075808 est1986 said: Quote: . And the charges were dropped moron You have no idea what happened so maybe you should STFU!!!

So were Greg Hardy's you fucking moron.
Hardy - ( New Window )

happened before McAdoo was coach.

Saying McAdoo tolerates domestic violence assumes that he is supposed to take some hard line after a suspension that has come after a year, and assumes he hasn't already addressed the situation and discussed conduct with the team.

Actually, it assumes a lot and this thread pretty much is trying to start some sort of outrage where none is needed nor justified.

Would the violence be domestic or imported?

Asking for a friend.

In comment 13075951 Gmaniac1 said:

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... back when I was in college, I had one of those crazy girlfriends like you read about. One night, after we had both been drinking (her a lot more than me), we got into a verbal fight over the fact that she had cheated on me. As you might imagine, we were both upset. Words were said back and forth. She began pushing and hitting me. Not enough to do any real damage... she's a girl and I'm a guy and all that. But still pretty aggravating... especially in an already heated situation. I verbally asked her to stop to no avail. I didn't want to just walk away because she was really drunk and we were out somewhere. It would have been wrong to leave her, IMO. So my idea in the moment was... (and this was probably a bad idea, admittedly)... to catch her arms as she lashed out at me and perform a kind of judo sweep of her legs in order to place her on the ground. I did NOT just want to trip her. As things turned out, though, she ended up taking a pretty good tumble to the ground. I don't think any real damage was done... but she was drunk and a bit of a drama queen (IMO) and she lost it. Crying, yelling... you can imagine. I felt terrible but it was just a mess at that point. --------- Am I an abuser? A beater? Would you label me after learning these particulars of one incident? --------- I tell my story because there are just a lot of different variables in a situation like this... and greater discernment than just either you are a domestic abuser or you aren't seems to be necessary.

Uhhh. Sounds like you could have grabbed her arm to stop her from hitting you and removed yourself from the situation. When you judo swept her to the ground you then became a piece of shit.

Just my opinion though.

In comment 13075945 Bill L said:

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perspective, proportion, and evaluation. Real life is simply not binary.

Well said, fortunately that doesn't apply to McAdoo. This is nothing like a Greg Hardy situation.

In comment 13075948 LadyGiant said:

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In comment 13075846 Still a Sam Huff fan said: Quote: Here is a simple but silly explanation: Brown's wife didn't make the pasta sauce spicy enough Brown says : You cook like your mother Brown wife picks up a ladle and charges him Brown grabs her wrist before the ladle of death reaches his nose Brown's wife, still angry, calls the police The police get there and have no choice but to arrest him By the time they get to the station house, the couple are kissing and made up The NFL has no tolerance for DV He was arrested therefore he is suspended. No explanation - no reasoning - no logic but a message was sent to the NFL world Sure this was silly but could it be close to what happened ????? As a woman, allow me to give you a viewpoint from the other side: In college I had a similar incident happen... My roommate tried to fix me up with this guy who I did not like. The next day when all my roommates were out he forced his way into my apartment. After a debate where I was trying to firmly but politely get him to leave, he grabbed my wrist and pinned me against the wall. Terrified as I was I somehow managed to wrench myself free and take off escaping as he tried to pursue me. I finally lost him in a crowd at a party in the same complex, but I was terrified to return to my apartment. Luckily, friends let me spend the night on their sofa and after their boyfriends went over to my place to make sure that the place was safe… I returned home. Point being that obviously… Men are stronger than women and can exert force easily. I was fortunate to have gotten myself free to escape. However the incident with Josh Brown and his wife happened, The fact is he is larger, stronger and as an athlete can exert quite a bit of force even to restrain her from coming at him with a ladle. Just a fact from a woman's experience

It's unfortunate that you had this experience but you're calling it "similar" without really knowing anything about what happened in Brown's home. This is also not some random crazy college bro scenario. This is a man and his wife who have been married for years and live together.

The guy in your situation acted very inappropriately and it's possible Brown did as well but we simply don't know enough to just assume he did the same type of thing.

why the delay in making a ruling?

In comment 13075959 Davisian said:

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Would the violence be domestic or imported? Asking for a friend.

It depends if you're drinking Sam Adams or Brador.

There has been no release of what the conduct was that got Brown into trouble. The article points to an incident in the past but there's no verified connection between whatever happened in Brown's home in 2015 and his suspension of conduct now.