Good article on Odighizuwa

But Owa just screams solid Giants draft pick. We're so due to draft another beast DE why not Owa. To their credit the Giants rarely miss on these guys. Let's hope history repeats itself. Getting another good to great cost controlled DE in round 3 would vault this defense right where it needs to be.

and then circling the wrong guy with the red pen!

LOL.

I finally learned how to say Owamgbe Odighizuwa.

so he's right on schedule to contributing

In comment 13076685 Ira said:

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I finally learned how to say Owamgbe Odighizuwa.

Next step is to work on the spelling?

OO had surgery on both hips. Never heard of that for a football player. He seems healthy now which is great. The only knock on OO's draft reports was he can't rush the passer. Looks like that was wrong...

In comment 13076675 BlueLou said:

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and then circling the wrong guy with the red pen! LOL.

Good catch. That was weird.

In comment 13076711 mrvax said:

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OO had surgery on both hips. Never heard of that for a football player. He seems healthy now which is great. The only knock on OO's draft reports was he can't rush the passer. Looks like that was wrong...

Vax, for all his outstanding even remarkable athletic traits he doesn't seem to have the bend guys like Stay, Tuck, and Osi had. That JPP in fact has in spades, and is working on improving it ever since he destroyed half his own hand. He doesn't seem to move like a cat...

That said, neither does OV. They are more like Dobermans or Rottweilers... fast, powerful, and just relentless.

In comment 13076720 BlueLou said:

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In comment 13076711 mrvax said: Quote: OO had surgery on both hips. Never heard of that for a football player. He seems healthy now which is great. The only knock on OO's draft reports was he can't rush the passer. Looks like that was wrong... Vax, for all his outstanding even remarkable athletic traits he doesn't seem to have the bend guys like Stay, Tuck, and Osi had. That JPP in fact has in spades, and is working on improving it ever since he destroyed half his own hand. He doesn't seem to move like a cat... That said, neither does OV. They are more like Dobermans or Rottweilers... fast, powerful, and just relentless.

OV has bend for sure. He has so many moves though.

Those are our supposed 1st tier studs on D.

Thompson
Collins
Apple
Entire LB crew
Hankins
Odi

Those are our wild cards. Out of every single one of them, Odi is the one with the best set-up. Back-up OV/JPP and be a threat on great 3rd and long fronts.

He's so important for us.

He won't be double teamed as often this year. He will win most one on one battles. Big year coming from Hank he's a big talent. Snacks is the better run defender and clogger but hank can get to the QB.

In comment 13076770 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Those are our supposed 1st tier studs on D. Thompson Collins Apple Entire LB crew Hankins Odi Those are our wild cards. Out of every single one of them, Odi is the one with the best set-up. Back-up OV/JPP and be a threat on great 3rd and long fronts. He's so important for us.

If Hankins is healthy, I'd hardly call him a wildcard.

IF is the first word in that post. And healthy was the 4th word.

2nd of all I just named 5 players who we expect to do more than him from an 11 player unit, meaning that Hanks not even expected to be among the top half of players on our D.

He's a wild card, one that will hopefully be really good and allow our DL to reach its top 3/5 potential. But Hank is a wildcard.

I guess wild card is a term that can be described in different ways. But Hank/Odi both being good would make me extremely confident about us being a playoff team.

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Owamagbe is a powerful and naturally strong defensive lineman who has long arms to keep players away from his body. He might be the best in this draft with using the correct technique to stand his opponent up on the line of scrimmage, shed him and make tackles on the line of scrimmage. He’s an excellent run-stuffing lineman with the foot speed and enough change of direction talent to become an excellent power pass rushing defensive end similar to the Giants’ Jason Pierre Paul. He shows on film the quickness off the line to change the line of scrimmage on every play and the strength to handle the double team in order to disrupt the opponent’s play in the backfield. Owamagbe might be a bit raw right now and still needs repetitions to improve his instincts and learn exactly how to defeat game planning against him, but as soon as he gets more repetitions and coaching at the NFL level, I have no doubt that he will become a dominant defensive lineman.

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In comment 13076720 BlueLou said:

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In comment 13076711 mrvax said: Quote: OO had surgery on both hips. Never heard of that for a football player. He seems healthy now which is great. The only knock on OO's draft reports was he can't rush the passer. Looks like that was wrong... Vax, for all his outstanding even remarkable athletic traits he doesn't seem to have the bend guys like Stay, Tuck, and Osi had. That JPP in fact has in spades, and is working on improving it ever since he destroyed half his own hand. He doesn't seem to move like a cat... That said, neither does OV. They are more like Dobermans or Rottweilers... fast, powerful, and just relentless.

While OO might not have that bend (and I believe OV does just from what I saw in that first game), I dont think that is needed to be a good pass rusher. Tuck wasn't much of a "bender" either. While I think its good to have bend, I dont think its a necessity to be a good pass rusher, especially when you are rushing from the DT spot.

There are a variety of ways that powerful guys like OO can get to the qb without bend (bull rush, swim move, clubbing). The guy seems like a smart kid, and I am looking forward to see what he can do at the 3rd DE spot this year. We havent had depth at that spot for a long time now.

I saw Tuck do some incredible things. No matter how he was blocked or hit, he had an incredible ability to stay on his feet and keep going. Is that bend or balance or something else?

especially for a huge, muscle-bound athlete.

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he might even be a more valuable player than Snacks. We can apply the IF label to any player. His 2014 campaign was pro bowl caliber.

NYG has shown a penchant for not spending on second pro contracts, and he was thought to be a no-brainer in this respect a year ago.

and his "bend" is prolly the main reason Osi nicknamed Tuck "weebily-wobbly".

Perhaps I am being unfair to OV, but I compare him to JPP running those drills where they weave around tackling/blocking dummies, and JPP looks to me considersbly lower, more agile and snake like, and faster - and he's the larger man by a good bit.

But that may be a really unfair comparison, since JPP's natural athletic gifts are extraordinary.

His kind of ability isn't normal.

It looks like Vernon is a lot more well-rounded than JPP in terms of pass-rush moves, probably because he has to be since he's not in that class of astonishing athlete like a JPP, Julius Peppers.

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NYG has shown a penchant for not spending on second pro contracts, and he was thought to be a no-brainer in this respect a year ago.

If Hankins plays well and the Giants do not resign him, I'll probably go ballistic. I understand about Linval Joseph but there is no $ excuse now. Talk to Eli.

I don't foresee them spending $9M per on both starting DTs, but we'll see what their plan is when the time is right.

and Perkins

we shall see...

He is not a pass rusher or natural 3-technique. There may not be a big enough role for him next year to warrant a big contract. I expect him to be gone next year, but it will depend on how he plays this year.

In comment 13077725 Milton said:

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He is not a pass rusher or natural 3-technique. There may not be a big enough role for him next year to warrant a big contract. I expect him to be gone next year, but it will depend on how he plays this year.

His 7 sacks in 2014 may have given folks an inflated opinion, especially since he didn't really produce vs the pass in 2015 when he was healthy BUT he also didn't have JPP with him to help.

I think he is a top notch run stuffer and he and SNACKS will make the middle very difficult to run through. 3rd and a yard should be tough for offenses.

DT Hankins will get big bucks in UFA if he is able to parlay his talents (decent pass rusher) with the play of the DE's who should be pressuring the QB into Hankins hands at times.

As far as OWA goes, if he does exceedingly well tomorrow at 4pm, especially in the "Four Aces" alignment as a pass rusher, I will be on his bandwagon big-time and hoping he is the "next Justin Tuck" and such. He has an incredibly quick first step and on passing downs he should wreak havoc. Just stay healthy man.

is enough to suggest that he has pass rush ability.

Harrison is the one you can definitely say is not a pass rusher. From what I've seen Hankins gets a lot of push when he's out there. He's not good enough to do it alone, but as part of a line with quality DEs, which he had in 14, he did some good things.

In comment 13077684 JonC said:

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I don't foresee them spending $9M per on both starting DTs, but we'll see what their plan is when the time is right.

Jon, if that's his asking price, yes damn it, he's gone. I was thinking maybe $6M. This season will probably determine his price tag. We seem to have lost the last 4 DTs we drafted that were good. Sucks big time. Guess the Jets feel the same. Couldn't have both Wilkerson & Harrison.

and NYG's still building the defense around DEs and CBs.

They've got a decision to make on JPP, which would benefit from another premium draft pick at the position.

let alone the over the moon cost for OV (and Jenkins).

We'll see. Right now I'm not feeling it when it comes to Hankins. And I view the money they gave Snacks as a reflection on Hankins and their expectations for him. But I could become a convert if he plays lights out this year. And the opportunity is there for him given the surrounding talent.
p.s.-- I want to see Bromley step up. He was the one drafted to be a 3-technique and he is the one with two years left on his contract.

Good stuff. My expectations for Bromley are very moderate. He seems to get it when you listen to him speak, but the production/recognition on the field just isn't there yet. Interested to see if his workout regimen was changed to allow him to get stronger but quicker, instead of just packing on lbs and power.

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let alone the over the moon cost for OV (and Jenkins).

Snacks is one of the best run stuffers in the league and he's only 27. OV was the best defensive player in the NFL over the final 8 games last year. He may turn out to be great.

The Jenkins contract really pissed me off.

open the bank vault for him and good bye Hankins.

Like Jon says the D is built around DEs and CBs. Funny thing is the way Thompson looks they could be fielding a great tandem of safeties going forward.

Collins is a much better player in the box, and it seems like he and DT are hitting it off as a pair.

and you never know if he gets a great offer somewhere else as an FA he could follow the $$$.