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Is the new slew of Giants beat reporters underwhelming?

gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2016 8:21 am
I don't know about the rest of you -- but I've been quickly turned off by Duggan, Leonard, and even Kratch - they all seem a little childish and trite to me, and I find myself mostly passing up their articles.




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RE: I remember seeing similar posts  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2016 9:40 am : link
In comment 13077110 aimrocky said:
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about Raanan when he took over the beat, and now he's well respected. Give it time. These guys are still finding their niche.

Actually, Duggan provided a few nuggets during the camp tweets that had me think "this guy is filling in nicely for Jordan".


I didn't feel the same way about Jordan at all -- he seemed to relish it more and have a savage intelligence -- Duggan and Leonard have been especially dissappointing to me -- but also Kratch seems to have lost that spirit -- Jordan may have pushed him a little when they were together
RE: The best thing about..  
micky : 8/19/2016 9:41 am : link
In comment 13076995 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Kratch is I get a mental picture of Bob everytime his name is mentioned.


wow..thanks for the memory
lot here dislike patti here, why..I have no idea  
micky : 8/19/2016 9:42 am : link
But i follow her and like said Raanan
I don't dislike Patti..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2016 9:46 am : link
but as a columnist myself, it really bothers me that nearly every one of her articles has multiple typos.

And I only do my thing part-time. You'd think part of the job would be getting syntax and spelling right - and that's not even addressing the times players have been mistakenly reported to play positions they don't, and other basic mistakes.
I agree.  
Dodge : 8/19/2016 9:47 am : link
Duggan did some kind of "video cast" his first week. It looked like he did it in his bedroom. I just don't get the feel of professionalism from them.

It seems to be a group of fansite operators.

Jordan, Pat and Rock are my usual go to's for info.
RE: I don't dislike Patti..  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2016 10:01 am : link
In comment 13077159 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but as a columnist myself, it really bothers me that nearly every one of her articles has multiple typos.

And I only do my thing part-time. You'd think part of the job would be getting syntax and spelling right - and that's not even addressing the times players have been mistakenly reported to play positions they don't, and other basic mistakes.


as for Patti -- she's a little smug for my taste, and she seems to think no one should get on her for her constant barrage of typos -- there's a certain lack of professionalism in all that to me - but sloppiness like that in a professional reporter leads to my having doubts about their observations and content accuracy
RE: None of them bother me...  
James Kratch : 8/19/2016 11:26 am : link
In comment 13077104 okiegiant said:
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I just don't find anything they're writing right now to be worth reading.

Lots of good story lines out there but it seems like I'm seeing the same stuff over and over.

You have my ear. What storylines am I missing?
people dissed Ranaan at first because he wasn't  
chris r : 8/19/2016 11:35 am : link
MG. Give it time.
Is it me,  
Doomster : 8/19/2016 11:40 am : link
or do they write stuff after they read it on BBI?
RE: RE: I don't dislike Patti..  
Anando : 8/19/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 13077218 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13077159 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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but as a columnist myself, it really bothers me that nearly every one of her articles has multiple typos.

And I only do my thing part-time. You'd think part of the job would be getting syntax and spelling right - and that's not even addressing the times players have been mistakenly reported to play positions they don't, and other basic mistakes.



as for Patti -- she's a little smug for my taste, and she seems to think no one should get on her for her constant barrage of typos -- there's a certain lack of professionalism in all that to me - but sloppiness like that in a professional reporter leads to my having doubts about their observations and content accuracy


I've unfollowed Trania on twitter. Honestly she adds very little - she asks followers for Giants questions, and 99% of her answers are "Hmm. Don't know. Maybe. Tough to say." etc.

I understand not every question can be answered in complete certainty, but what's the value in following a beat reporter that has absolutely NOTHING to add or no "take" to offer the public?
Still miss  
Mike fr Warwick : 8/19/2016 11:48 am : link
Buster Olney
Some examples to my point above:  
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I think you guys are being a little harsh here  
mfsd : 8/19/2016 12:01 pm : link
We are about 4 weeks into preseason, and all anxious for any football news, but there really isn't that much to write about yet.

I'm sympathetic about how they have to file a story every day, and sometimes it ends up being about the same few humdrum tidbits of news - Cruz, OL depth, who's calling plays, now we have the Josh Brown story to beat to death for a few days. McAdoo clearly follows the mold of a coach who tries to reveal nothing newsworthy when he talks. Plus there's virtually no game planning in preseason, so precious little to write about how we approach different opponents.

Let's give them all a chance to cover a few weeks of the season and have some actual game action and Xs and Os to write about.
RE: Still miss  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2016 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13077449 Mike fr Warwick said:
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Buster Olney


Actually, I miss you and Olney..😄
I rarely read any of it unless it's Garafolo or Raanan.  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2016 12:07 pm : link
I have to keep reminding myself that they write for the masses, the casual, generally unsophisticated fan. No real point in addressing the diehards I guess. Mike G was able to do BOTH..Raanan has been getting there
I liked Garofalo  
Giants2012 : 8/19/2016 12:10 pm : link
while Dottino is the only guy who asks the tough questions or puts players right on the spot during an interview.

Then again, I'd vote for Kim Jones if she was following this team 24/7.
All are better than  
giantsfan227B : 8/19/2016 12:11 pm : link
listening to Paul Dottino. He blows.
RE: All are better than  
Giants2012 : 8/19/2016 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13077493 giantsfan227B said:
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listening to Paul Dottino. He blows.


at least he asks the tough/direct questions in the post game. Better than Ranaan's 20 different OBJ hairstyles
They've been underwhelming, well before this current crop.  
Devon : 8/19/2016 12:22 pm : link
Most of them have seemed like good enough people, but the Giants have had bottom tier coverage and reporting, compared to the rest of the league (including much, much smaller markets), for quite awhile now.

It's partly why acting like the media here is some deterrent or extra level of pressure for players like some still do is silly.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 8/19/2016 12:24 pm : link
I thought Ranaan was mediocre his first couple months on the job but grew to really like him. I think they deserve some slack.
RE: RE: None of them bother me...  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2016 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13077406 James Kratch said:
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You have my ear. What storylines am I missing?


actually -- it's not the story lines per se -- it's the content of the story -- you do report news well -- you seem to enjoy scooping the dirt on Brown in authoritative detail -- but we football fans crave details about how the players are doing on the field, what they are doing on the field, how they are doing it, and how the team is approaching football
Not impressed by any of them. At all.  
B in ALB : 8/19/2016 12:43 pm : link
Some of these guys write as if it's a second job for them and they're putting their columns together at lunch. The Kratch article the other night about Brown was so shoddy and created more questions than answers just for the sake of clicks. Poorly done.

And Traina offers about as much insight into actual football as the local community news throwaway/dog cage liner. And for some reason people get very uppity when she is criticized. I don't know if it's b/c she's a woman or what - but she's not good.

I guess the jury is still out on the dude from Mass. But I've read nothing from him that impresses me. Biggest market in the country and this is what we get?

I'll stick to Rock and BBI camp/practice reports for information. This new crop makes us ham n eggers look like Woodwards and Bernsteins.
RE: RE: RE: None of them bother me...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2016 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13077522 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13077406 James Kratch said:


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You have my ear. What storylines am I missing?



actually -- it's not the story lines per se -- it's the content of the story -- you do report news well -- you seem to enjoy scooping the dirt on Brown in authoritative detail -- but we football fans crave details about how the players are doing on the field, what they are doing on the field, how they are doing it, and how the team is approaching football


There are some fans who would want scans of the playbook. What you're seeing from the Giants writers is pretty common around the league. There's only so much detail teams allow to be recorded and given out.

Some teams, even spotlight-hogs like Dallas, tightly censor what media members report.

No mention of Schwartz?  
Canton : 8/19/2016 12:52 pm : link
What happened to him?
RE: No mention of Schwartz?  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2016 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13077556 Canton said:
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What happened to him?


I view him as a step above Serby, which is not saying anything positive at all
Schwartz has his moments  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2016 12:58 pm : link
... they are not all good - but he can write well when he wants to
I think they are young and are now just cutting their teeth.....  
Reb8thVA : 8/19/2016 1:39 pm : link
if they hang around here long enough, either lurking or active, they will get a sense of what floats with more informed football fans and what doesn't. They will benefit from the discussions here and their work will eventually show it. Rannan was pilloried here when he first started.

That said, based on the nature of their business, there will always be demands for them to produce on specific topics or during slow times when there is little new that will still result in those puff pieces we all disdain.
This board just likes to bitch  
David in LA : 8/19/2016 1:39 pm : link
I don't like all the beat writers, but Kratch posted here for some feedback, and no one gave him any viable suggestions whatsoever. Regarding the new crop, it takes time for some writers to hit their stride, and build up their pool of resources.
All of you who have been dogging Vacchiano over the past few years...  
Bluenatic : 8/19/2016 1:53 pm : link
...are going to miss him now that he's gone.
Fuck Ralphie  
B in ALB : 8/19/2016 2:04 pm : link
He was the worst. Shit stirring shit bag.
I'm not going to miss Ralph's ability to take a quote  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2016 2:07 pm : link
and turn it into backpage news.
Serby - lulz  
mfsd : 8/19/2016 2:43 pm : link
If the Giants want to win, Eli has to be the MANning!

They're all fucking Shakespeare compared to Serby
Giants beat writers have been mostly crap in recent times...  
Torrag : 8/19/2016 5:24 pm : link
...with the exception of Mike Garafolo.
One of the beat writers  
JPinstripes : 8/19/2016 5:35 pm : link
called out in the thread comes here and asks for feedback on what he is missing and neither the OP and the people bitching on same topic give him any input. WOW.
RE: RE: I don't dislike Patti..  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/20/2016 8:17 am : link
In comment 13077218 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13077159 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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but as a columnist myself, it really bothers me that nearly every one of her articles has multiple typos.

as for Patti -- she's a little smug for my taste, and she seems to think no one should get on her for her constant barrage of typos -- there's a certain lack of professionalism in all that to me - but sloppiness like that in a professional reporter leads to my having doubts about their observations and content accuracy


Gidie. I'm really not smug. If I was I don't think I'd have lasted as long as I have and not built up the contacts and business relations I have. All things considered, I do my best with the fans on Twitter -- and I do get quite a few people who come out with head scratching thoughts.

Re: the typos -- I write for a very small paper that depends on subscription fees. We have a professional proofreader who looks at our issues but unfortunately we don't have a budget for the blog stuff. I do my best to self-proofread but I just don't have the luxury of copy editors like the papers and ESPN do.

Twitter typos? Guilty. I work on a small iPhone keyboard. I wear eyeglasses for distance so it sometimes distorts my reading vision. Plus I'm often in a hurry to push out a tweet because I don't want to miss the next play. When I do tweet I try to give people something different.

Do I make mistakes? Yes. But so does everyone. I try to limit those and I own up to it. I'm human. Does it bother me? You bet it does. I take pride in my writing. So I use my mistakes as a lesson and move on.
RE: RE: RE: I don't dislike Patti..  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/20/2016 8:23 am : link
In comment 13077446 Anando said:
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In comment 13077218 gidiefor said

I've unfollowed Trania on twitter. Honestly she adds very little - she asks followers for Giants questions, and 99% of her answers are "Hmm. Don't know. Maybe. Tough to say." etc.

I understand not every question can be answered in complete certainty, but what's the value in following a beat reporter that has absolutely NOTHING to add or no "take" to offer the public?



I often get the same questions a dozen or so times during a Q&A. I'm not sure how I can reasonably predict a player's stats for the season. And sometimes as you said, I can't answer the question either because I don't know or I can reveal what I might know. But I do my best and I do try to acknowledge everyone who asks a question. When I do mailbags I think those come out pretty goo because I'm not limited to 144 characters. And I'm trying to experiment with other avenues for Q&As.
RE: Not impressed by any of them. At all.  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/20/2016 8:28 am : link
In comment 13077544 B in ALB said:
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And Traina offers about as much insight into actual football as the local community news throwaway/dog cage liner. And for some reason people get very uppity when she is criticized. I don't know if it's b/c she's a woman or what - but she's not good..


B: send me your email address to editor@insidefootball.com. I will send you a copy of one of our current issues. I think you might change your mind about me when you read it.

That offer goes for anyone else on this board who thinks I suck--just tell me your BBI handle and I'll send you a copy, no charge, no string attached. I guarantee you'll see something a lot closer to what you crave.

Remember I have a different situation than the other beats. I have to filter what I give away for free and what I give to the subscribers. If you're a business owner you might appreciate that fine line I have to walk.
RE: None of them bother me...  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/20/2016 8:30 am : link
In comment 13077104 okiegiant said:
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I just don't find anything they're writing right now to be worth reading.

Lots of good story lines out there but it seems like I'm seeing the same stuff over and over.


Okie: drop me a line at editor@insidefootball.com and tell me what interests you. There are loads of story lines but sometimes guessing what readers want is hit and miss.
RE: I don't dislike Patti..  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/20/2016 8:32 am : link
In comment 13077159 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but as a columnist myself, it really bothers me that nearly every one of her articles has multiple typos.

And I only do my thing part-time. You'd think part of the job would be getting syntax and spelling right - and that's not even addressing the times players have been mistakenly reported to play positions they don't, and other basic mistakes.


FMIC. It bothers me too. I try to self-edit but I know I can do better. As for position errors, I can't recall offhand where I made a mistake recently. If I do make a mistake I try to correct it.
From Dan Duggan today  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/20/2016 9:09 am : link
a poll asking Giants Players what Olympic Events they'd like to participate in and another poll on whether Josh Brown should be cut.

great stuff Dan --

and Kratch -- I am tuning out even more after reading today's slide show on what you are watching in Buffalo

this is high school paper stuff

and Leonard -- your expose indictment of the nFL today on Josh Brown -- great headline material -- on the back page -- but your article is so trite a fan flamer as to be --- blah, blah, blah to this fan
RE: All of you who have been dogging Vacchiano over the past few years...  
Giants2012 : 8/20/2016 9:45 am : link
In comment 13077663 Bluenatic said:
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...are going to miss him now that he's gone.



Where did he go?

Storyline ideas?  
mako J : 8/20/2016 11:14 am : link
How does the relationship between offense and defense under Macdoo compare to TC? Is there a noticeable HC lean to offense that has resulted in a different role for Spags? If so, is it as prominent as other franchises have been?, ie Andy Reid and Jim Johnson or Kubiak and Wade Phillips

We've heard plenty about the WR and Safety room's youth and immediate acceptance of Shepard and Thompson. How does that compare to the RB room with PP, the DB room with Apple, and the DE's with OO, LB'ers with Goodsen.

What's the Hankins/Snacks relationship like? JPP/Vernon? Has the $ made it awkward?

There's a lot of new coaches, who's making an impression on veterans and front office? Is the front office presence at camp different than years past?

Update on the offseason rumblings re: the OL and who was and wasn't putting in the work.(Flowers)

Despite the coaches enthusiasm, how does Harris feel about his reduced role at WR?

Feel free to contribute more...


How about techniques the players are working on to improve  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/20/2016 11:42 am : link
and how they are going about it?

What formations are you seeing in practice ?

What the one on one matchups and how are they working?

What are the coverages - and who is picking up coverages well? (conversely who isn't?)

what are the elements of the MLB competition -- what do the MLB candidates have to show to win their jobs? -- are they showing it or not?



great and perceptive pre-season game tweet  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/20/2016 1:15 pm : link
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Dan Duggan ‏@DDuggan21 40m40 minutes ago

Here bright and early for Giants-Bills. Bills looking to even the score for Super Bowl XXV
RE: How about techniques the players are working on to improve  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/20/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13078451 gidiefor said:
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and how they are going about it?

What formations are you seeing in practice ?

What the one on one matchups and how are they working?

What are the coverages - and who is picking up coverages well? (conversely who isn't?)

what are the elements of the MLB competition -- what do the MLB candidates have to show to win their jobs? -- are they showing it or not?




Gidie, Again I'm happy to send a copy of one of our recent iussues in which most of these questions are covered. No charge, no strings. If you or anyone wants it, just send me an email editor@insidefootball.com. You might be pleasantly surprised. ;)
RE: RE: How about techniques the players are working on to improve  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/20/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13078601 Pat from Inside Football said:

Gidie, Again I'm happy to send a copy of one of our recent iussues in which most of these questions are covered. No charge, no strings. If you or anyone wants it, just send me an email editor@insidefootball.com. You might be pleasantly surprised. ;) [/quote]

Pat -- I used to subscribe to Inside Football -- and there are several reasons why I don't anymore -- none the least of which is I just don't think it's worth subscribing to. It's disappointingly outdated by the time you get it -- and there's lots of material around that's vastly superior to it. Reading this website is vastly superior to Inside Football.

I have tried to stay away from criticising you because you hover over criticism like a laser -- poking and prodding at it -- like you are doing now -- trying to massage the masses -- but I am just not a fan --- sorry.



RE: RE: RE: How about techniques the players are working on to improve  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/21/2016 8:26 am : link
In comment 13078613 gidiefor said:
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Pat -- I used to subscribe to Inside Football -- and there are several reasons why I don't anymore -- none the least of which is I just don't think it's worth subscribing to. It's disappointingly outdated by the time you get it -- and there's lots of material around that's vastly superior to it. Reading this website is vastly superior to Inside Football.


Gidie. Don't apologize. I don't expect everyone to like me. That would be unrealistic. I can and do take criticism. What I don't care for are personal attacks in my character by people who haven't met me. And for Inside Football being "outdated" I wonder if you have us confused with the other publication. Under my watch, Inside Football issues are usually ready the day after a game and are emailed to subscribers. In fact often the issues are available before BBI's game review. Anyway my offer is always on the table for anyone who wants to try us out.
RE: RE: RE: How about techniques the players are working on to improve  
Pat from Inside Football : 8/21/2016 8:27 am : link
In comment 13078613 gidiefor said:
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Pat -- I used to subscribe to Inside Football -- and there are several reasons why I don't anymore -- none the least of which is I just don't think it's worth subscribing to. It's disappointingly outdated by the time you get it -- and there's lots of material around that's vastly superior to it. Reading this website is vastly superior to Inside Football.


Gidie. Don't apologize. I don't expect everyone to like me. That would be unrealistic. I can and do take criticism. What I don't care for are personal attacks in my character by people who haven't met me. And for Inside Football being "outdated" I wonder if you have us confused with the other publication. Under my watch, Inside Football issues are usually ready the day after a game and are emailed to subscribers. In fact often the issues are available before BBI's game review. Anyway my offer is always on the table for anyone who wants to try us out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How about techniques the players are working on to improve  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/21/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 13079854 Pat from Inside Football said:
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In comment 13078613 gidiefor said:

Gidie. Don't apologize. I don't expect everyone to like me. That would be unrealistic. I can and do take criticism. What I don't care for are personal attacks in my character by people who haven't met me. And for Inside Football being "outdated" I wonder if you have us confused with the other publication. Under my watch, Inside Football issues are usually ready the day after a game and are emailed to subscribers. In fact often the issues are available before BBI's game review. Anyway my offer is always on the table for anyone who wants to try us out.


You don't care for personal attacks on your character? You come on here and explain away your typos as if we're just supposed to accept that part of you as a professional writer -- and that you feel bad about that when it happens -- and it happens constantly - over and over again -- you putting out an unprofessional product -- what kind of character statement is that?

also - btw  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/21/2016 11:12 am : link
taking the opportunity to gratuitously offer free samples of your paper over and over again -- is that to misdirect us from these issues -- soothe us into submitting to your graciousness -- or an opportunistic plug?
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