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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/20/2016 12:41 pm
How hard is it raining up there, if at all?  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 12:42 pm : link
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RE: How hard is it raining up there, if at all?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/20/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13078500 Anakim said:
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Sunny, warm afternoon here at Ralph Wil ... er, New Era Field for Giants-Bills preseason game.
RE: RE: How hard is it raining up there, if at all?  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13078526 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Sunny, warm afternoon here at Ralph Wil ... er, New Era Field for Giants-Bills preseason game.



Good to hear. Thanks, TTH!
News on Cruz:  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 2:11 pm : link
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports
Victor Cruz will do pregame warmups w/#NYG, will not play. Will resume work w/trainer Sun, plan is to practice Monday. Hope - play vs #NYJ
Sterling Shepard  
JPinstripes : 8/20/2016 2:17 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 2m2 minutes ago

Sterling Shepard appears to be moving well in pre-game warmups, so expect to see him on field w/ OBJ today in game for 1st time. #Giants
Does anyone know off the top of their  
Metnut : 8/20/2016 2:33 pm : link
head what channel this game is on in the NYC area?
RE: Does anyone know off the top of their  
PEEJ : 8/20/2016 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13078600 Metnut said:
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head what channel this game is on in the NYC area?



9

Also on NFL Network live today  
Watson : 8/20/2016 2:55 pm : link
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RE: Does anyone know off the top of their  
Mason : 8/20/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13078600 Metnut said:
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head what channel this game is on in the NYC area?


Should be channel 9 if NBC can't cover it.
Go Giants!  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/20/2016 3:04 pm : link
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Haha  
Jolly Blue Giant : 8/20/2016 3:16 pm : link
Stapleton:
Rex Ryan just stopped to hug Victor Cruz as he makes his way to the Bills sideline.
Rex remembers Cruz from his days in No. 3. #Giants

Tom Rick:
Should never have released him. https://t.co/O2v1Btgj6J
Does NFL Network have an app to watch the game?  
NYdeuce : 8/20/2016 3:17 pm : link
I'm renovating my den and don't have the tv down there where the cable line is, but I have a cable subscription. Can you stream the game without game pass or whatever it's called?
RE: Does NFL Network have an app to watch the game?  
RDJR : 8/20/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13078631 NYdeuce said:
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I'm renovating my den and don't have the tv down there where the cable line is, but I have a cable subscription. Can you stream the game without game pass or whatever it's called?


Yes, they have an app. You can stream if you subscribe to NFL Network on your cable/sat company. Need to use your login.
RE: Does anyone know off the top of their  
baadbill : 8/20/2016 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13078600 Metnut said:
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head what channel this game is on in the NYC area?


My DirecTV has it on 9 and, oddly, has it listed on MSG from 4:00 to 10:00 - a freakin 6 hour game!
RDJR  
NYdeuce : 8/20/2016 3:43 pm : link
I put my info in through the ps4 but when I try and watch live it keeps prompting me to enter a game pass account login :-(
I'm not familiar with NFL Network through PS4. I was referring to  
RDJR : 8/20/2016 3:58 pm : link
the APP on iOS. Seems on PS4 game pass may be the only option.
Lets go Blue  
Jim Burt64 : 8/20/2016 3:59 pm : link
no injuries
Ok  
NYdeuce : 8/20/2016 4:00 pm : link
I'll try my firestick as well, was hoping for the big screen. Thank you for the help!
No injuries  
Canton : 8/20/2016 4:01 pm : link
Let's go blue!

Here's hoping a rookie stands out today..
??  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:02 pm : link
did the game get blacked out on NFL network? they are showing a football life-doug flutie
Asshole Rex  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:03 pm : link
is gonna blitz the shit outta the Giants in a Preseason game.
RE: ??  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13078650 BleedBlue said:
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did the game get blacked out on NFL network? they are showing a football life-doug flutie


Probably starts at 4:05
RE: ??  
Fred in Atlanta : 8/20/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13078650 BleedBlue said:
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did the game get blacked out on NFL network? they are showing a football life-doug flutie

It should be on a local channel if you are blacked out.
It's blacked out on NFL Network if you are in the local viewing area.  
GiantGolfer : 8/20/2016 4:06 pm : link
You can watch it on My9.
Channel 4  
prh : 8/20/2016 4:07 pm : link
Albany twc
lets do it  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:07 pm : link
kick ass
no injuries.
Nice long kickoff from Brown  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:09 pm : link
Wonder if he pictured his ex wife's face on the ball.
Nice play by Tho pson  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:09 pm : link
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Nice play by DThom  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:09 pm : link
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How  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:09 pm : link
hot is it there? Nice stop in the backfield.
3 and out  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:10 pm : link
Great job by the D.
Odi gets in  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:10 pm : link
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our  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:10 pm : link
first team defense has looked awesome
If you have Apple TV not blacked out on NFL Net  
RDJR : 8/20/2016 4:10 pm : link
there.
nice 3  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/20/2016 4:10 pm : link
and out.
perfect start  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:10 pm : link
OO getting it done again.
Great  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:11 pm : link
three and out. We were swarming.
Good D  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:11 pm : link
OO with more pressure....that is good news as the Giants need at least three solid rushers.
Odi ragdolled that lineman  
redbeard : 8/20/2016 4:11 pm : link
Kid looks good early
I'm really excited for this  
Route 9 : 8/20/2016 4:11 pm : link
Defense in 2016
Ugh  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:12 pm : link
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Strange playcall there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:12 pm : link
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Thompson is opening up eyes  
Canton : 8/20/2016 4:12 pm : link
He looks like a vet out there.
tye or newhouse  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:12 pm : link
one of them fucked up.
Eli to Beckham!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:12 pm : link
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obj  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:12 pm : link
still very good.
donnell  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
with a whiff. Awful.
Running game looking pretty lousy......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
Right now.
Odell  
Route 9 : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
Running wild
Negative rushing yardage so far  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
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I'd  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
like to see more of that this season between Eli and OBJ.

Donnell not looking good.
The right side of our line is trash in the run game  
redbeard : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
Not good
OLine has created 0 run lanes for the RBs  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:13 pm : link
thus far.
Well I guess  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 4:14 pm : link
Eli can just throw the ball
RE: obj  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13078686 dep026 said:
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still very good.


Mis-season form.
My grandmother  
Route 9 : 8/20/2016 4:14 pm : link
Can block better than Larry Donnell
This Oline needs lots of work still....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:14 pm : link
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And Jerry with a penalty.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:14 pm : link
That rightside is going to be something else this season.
RE: RE: obj  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13078696 short lease said:
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still very good.



Mis-season form.


Should be MID-season.
Eli with the overthrow.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:15 pm : link
Eh.
Another year, another lousy run blocking OL  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:15 pm : link
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Not  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:16 pm : link
liking the deep pass on fourth and four. Eli though had plenty of time. Pass pro was good.
Should have been a penalty  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:16 pm : link
just missed. no problem. OBJ getting open at will is just what the doctor ordered.
Poor decision  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 4:16 pm : link
Go for the 1st
RE: And Jerry with a penalty.  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13078699 Dave in Hoboken said:
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That rightside is going to be something else this season.


Been saying it for weeks: the trio of Flowers, Jerry, and Newhouse will determine if this is a playoff team or not. So far, there is a lot to be concerned about.
Hart looks ok so far at LG  
Jim Burt64 : 8/20/2016 4:16 pm : link
Get Justin over to RT.. Newhouse blows
The oline looks worse then last week  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:16 pm : link
and that's saying something. Jerry needs to make some serious moves to get a few lineman in. These castoff garbage men are just about useless.
The TE's are the biggest  
PEEJ : 8/20/2016 4:17 pm : link
problem with the running game
Give Bobby Hart a starting spot please  
Mason : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
Tired of this BS.
RE: The oline looks worse then last week  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13078709 Annunaki said:
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and that's saying something. Jerry needs to make some serious moves to get a few lineman in. These castoff garbage men are just about useless.


If we cannot run the ball, it is going to be a long season. Eli is not going to be able to convert 3rd and long enough times to get this team into the playoffs.
RE: Not  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13078704 AcidTest said:
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liking the deep pass on fourth and four. Eli though had plenty of time. Pass pro was good.


Perhaps no one was open. Very likely.
Whichever  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
TE blocks the best has an excellent chance of making the team, even if they don't contribute much in the passing game.
Nice play by Casillas there  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
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Casillas  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
has been very good so far this preseason.
RE: Hart looks ok so far at LG  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13078708 Jim Burt64 said:
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Get Justin over to RT.. Newhouse blows



First play of the game Hart got run over.
Starting D looks great.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:19 pm : link
Starting O has some issues.
Boy, it looks like we won't be able to run....  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 4:19 pm : link
at all with this line.
Now that's how you hit an open WR.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:19 pm : link
Jenkins faked out of his cleats. Yikes.
Beat the blitz  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
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Jenkins  
Jim Burt64 : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
lol.. man
That was embarrassing  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
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Robinson blew coverage!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
....ugh
Jenkins loses contain  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
but Robinson with horrific coverage.
Well  
redbeard : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
That sucked...
That was a nice play ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
FOR THE WRONG TEAM !!!!
Jenkins  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:20 pm : link
got faked out of his jock, and then Thompson couldn't keep up with Clay.
Busted play turns into ...  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
a 59 yard gain. Credit Taylor for the nice escape.
Sorry  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
that was Robinson.
RE: Jenkins  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13078728 AcidTest said:
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got faked out of his jock, and then Thompson couldn't keep up with Clay.

Robinson
That play was on  
PEEJ : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
Jenkins.
RE: Boy, it looks like we won't be able to run....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13078719 Crispino said:
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at all with this line.


First team Oline blocked better for the run last week, however Pugh also was in at LG.
Sigh  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
The D had been good to that point.
That's the defense we know and love.  
RDJR : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.
Coverage was by LB Robinson NOT S D. Thompson  
bumpsinthenight : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
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Gotta wonder about  
Gmen703 : 8/20/2016 4:21 pm : link
Coverage assignments there. I know. It's only preseason.
RE: Jenkins  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13078728 AcidTest said:
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got faked out of his jock, and then Thompson couldn't keep up with Clay.


Robinson
Guess Jenkins now knows  
Mike in Philly : 8/20/2016 4:22 pm : link
to force the QB to step up. Learning...
Brutal  
rocco8112 : 8/20/2016 4:22 pm : link
Lst's see how they respond.
RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13078735 RDJR said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.


That was an excellent blitz package. We got one of our fastest players unblocked with a chance of a clean hit. Players gotta make plays. Jenkins didnt.
This is good for goal line defense  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:23 pm : link
...good experience
RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
Joey in VA : 8/20/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13078735 RDJR said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.
Be careful with the word never especially when it's wrong.
JPP was held  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 4:23 pm : link
But no call
Touchback!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:24 pm : link
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RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
RDJR : 8/20/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13078741 dep026 said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.







That was an excellent blitz package. We got one of our fastest players unblocked with a chance of a clean hit. Players gotta make plays. Jenkins didnt.


Not good if it doesn't get home. Don't over analyze, results.
nice  
rocco8112 : 8/20/2016 4:24 pm : link
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collins  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:24 pm : link
beasting on back to back plays. Turnover baby!!!
RE: Gotta wonder about  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13078737 Gmen703 said:
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Coverage assignments there. I know. It's only preseason.


Forget assignments, the giants blitzed and got beat, it happens. Partly good play by TT, partly on JJ for being over aggressive with a very athletic qb
Good D  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
Landon Collins with good hit. Shepard had him prior to goal line, but a little whiff slowed him down.
Agree  
rocco8112 : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
hold on JPP

He would have blew it up
Nice POP ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
by Landon Collins.
RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
Bleedin Blue : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13078735 RDJR said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.


You're not serious are you??
Jenkins blew the angle he took and Robinson had no chance staying with the TE that long! Plus the field is wet and slippery, the players are sliding all over!
Our  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
D is really aggressive and fast. Big hit to cause the fumble, and great hustle by Harrison to fall on it.
Shepard fanned on the tackle  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
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Loving this defense  
Vin R : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
So far
Collins laying a good hit on the FB  
redbeard : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
And causes the fumble. The kids gonna be good this year playing his natural position
RE: RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13078746 RDJR said:
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In comment 13078735 RDJR said:


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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.







That was an excellent blitz package. We got one of our fastest players unblocked with a chance of a clean hit. Players gotta make plays. Jenkins didnt.



Not good if it doesn't get home. Don't over analyze, results.


Thats fucking horseshit. It was a great call. If Jenkins sacks him, is it stil la bad blitz. Players make plays. Coaches make calls to put them in position to make plays.

If you blame Spags for that call, you really dont know football.
Is it me or does Jenkins have better coverage  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:25 pm : link
Then Prince ever did?
Aside from that missed sack by Jenkins  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 4:26 pm : link
The D has looked tremendous at all levels. So much more speed and assignment awareness.
Wow. We got away with one.  
Ira : 8/20/2016 4:26 pm : link
Good play by Collins.
RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
RDJR : 8/20/2016 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13078743 Joey in VA said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.

Be careful with the word never especially when it's wrong.


Done here. Argue, argue, argue. All you guys want to do. So tiring.
RE: RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
Mike in Philly : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13078746 RDJR said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.







That was an excellent blitz package. We got one of our fastest players unblocked with a chance of a clean hit. Players gotta make plays. Jenkins didnt.



Not good if it doesn't get home. Don't over analyze, results.
Exactly. Don't over analyze. He's a rookie and made a rookie mistake.
Hold on Flowers.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
Starting OLine looks like crap.
O-Line on the other hand....  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
an entirely different story
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13078758 dep026 said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.







That was an excellent blitz package. We got one of our fastest players unblocked with a chance of a clean hit. Players gotta make plays. Jenkins didnt.



Not good if it doesn't get home. Don't over analyze, results.



Thats fucking horseshit. It was a great call. If Jenkins sacks him, is it stil la bad blitz. Players make plays. Coaches make calls to put them in position to make plays.

If you blame Spags for that call, you really dont know football.


Agreed.
Oline sucks ass!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
.....
RE: Hold on Flowers.  
Del Shofner : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13078764 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Starting OLine looks like crap.


No run game at all so far ...
What holding ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:27 pm : link
clean as a whistle.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13078763 Mike in Philly said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.







That was an excellent blitz package. We got one of our fastest players unblocked with a chance of a clean hit. Players gotta make plays. Jenkins didnt.



Not good if it doesn't get home. Don't over analyze, results.

Exactly. Don't over analyze. He's a rookie and made a rookie mistake.


Jenkins isnt a rookie.
This run game  
redbeard : 8/20/2016 4:28 pm : link
Holy shit....

Newhouse is getting handled
This OL is terrible again.  
joe48 : 8/20/2016 4:28 pm : link
Flowers making more mistakes. The D better be real good.
2 observations so far: LT Flowers with holding and we can't run  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 4:29 pm : link
Eli not as sharp as his usual self, at least that is how it seems to me.

Defense is outstanding except for the one big 59 yard play.

3rd and 19: Jennings nice run for 12 yards, time to punt but at least you have room.
RE: RE: RE: That's the defense we know and love.  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13078762 RDJR said:
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Our blitz package has never been good under Spags.

Be careful with the word never especially when it's wrong.



Done here. Argue, argue, argue. All you guys want to do. So tiring.


You're the one with the stupid initial statement. We had a free guy get in the backfield who didnt make the play. Its like saying throwing a 50 yard pass is a bad call because the WR drop the ball.
Still baffles me that there are no RT out there better than  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/20/2016 4:29 pm : link
Newhouse.
dep...  
Mike in Philly : 8/20/2016 4:30 pm : link
My bad. I was thinking Apple. Duh....
Good STs coverage and punt there  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:30 pm : link
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I know its early but I don't know if Flowers  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:30 pm : link
is going to be a good LT. Seems more like a back-up RT at the moment. He doesn't do too much right.
dep...  
Mike in Philly : 8/20/2016 4:30 pm : link
My bad. I was thinking Apple. Duh....
RE: dep...  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13078777 Mike in Philly said:
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My bad. I was thinking Apple. Duh....


haha it happens. Next time, he will sack Romo forcing a fumble. Its what preseason is about.
Jennings  
BlueManFu : 8/20/2016 4:31 pm : link
Looks like Rashad got dinged on that last draw, walking gingerly. Hopefully nothing.
Is Newhouse really better than FA  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 4:31 pm : link
Jake Long? I find that hard to believe. This OL is going to submarine this season.
minus that big play  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:31 pm : link
which was somewhat broken, the first team defense has looked AWESOME so far this year. The oline looked better last week but this week without pugh not looking so hot. the run game is bad, but i think perkins will get more carries come mid season, sorry im just not a huge jennings fan. that being said if they give eli time offense will be fine, tye looks to have improved as a receiver. OBJ is a stud. shepard should be solid as well. add in vareen and the offense will score enough to win games
Excellent  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:31 pm : link
punt by Wing.
Nice play by DRC.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:32 pm : link
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I'm wondering and it's only second pre-season game....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:32 pm : link
However, will this Oline be our Achilles heel this year!
Good play by DRC  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:32 pm : link
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DRC  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 4:32 pm : link
nice
RE: RE: dep...  
Mike in Philly : 8/20/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13078781 dep026 said:
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My bad. I was thinking Apple. Duh....



haha it happens. Next time, he will sack Romo forcing a fumble. Its what preseason is about.
Your mouth to God's ears brother.
The O line  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 4:32 pm : link
Is getting no push.

Can we bring Cross out to block?
Starting D.......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:33 pm : link
I'm liking what I see so far...
Gentleman  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 4:33 pm : link
I know it's only preseason but you have to be concerned about our line and lack of rushing attack. Teams will just load up and force the pass. Just looking for improvement each game but it's heading in the wrong direction
It's the play calling I'm disapointed with  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 4:33 pm : link
I'm trying to remember it's pre-season and maybe they are just trying to get better in the run game. However, the strength of the team is in the passing game. The OL, the receivers, Eli, etc. Their strength is the passing game.

I want to see an aerial display that can setup the run game. Not the other way around. That's not to this team's strength.
All day ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:33 pm : link
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Vernon getting pressure.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:33 pm : link
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It's not just the OL.  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:34 pm : link
Tye and Donell can't block to save their lives.
RE: Gentleman  
nygiants16 : 8/20/2016 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13078793 Kivorka said:
Quote:
I know it's only preseason but you have to be concerned about our line and lack of rushing attack. Teams will just load up and force the pass. Just looking for improvement each game but it's heading in the wrong direction


2011 giants were dead last in rushing and online was terrible
Why did McAdoo accept that penalty?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/20/2016 4:34 pm : link
They were about 3 yards short of the sticks.
defense looks awesome  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:35 pm : link
ok offense. How about a TD drive here to basically finish off a productive day for the starters.
RE: Why did McAdoo accept that penalty?  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13078801 nyjuggernaut2 said:
Quote:
They were about 3 yards short of the sticks.


Pre-season is more about evaluation than winning.
Outstanding D  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 4:36 pm : link
woeful Giant OL
If I was Mac,  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:36 pm : link
I would keep this starting Oline in at least till half......they need tons of work. TEs also need to start blocking better. Perhaps LaCosse needs to get a shot.
Kennard  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:36 pm : link
playing a lot of DE. Whats up with that?
Hey USAF fan  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 4:36 pm : link
You still in? I retired in 2014
RE: It's the play calling I'm disapointed with  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13078794 USAF NYG Fan said:
Quote:
I'm trying to remember it's pre-season and maybe they are just trying to get better in the run game. However, the strength of the team is in the passing game. The OL, the receivers, Eli, etc. Their strength is the passing game.

I want to see an aerial display that can setup the run game. Not the other way around. That's not to this team's strength.


It's preseason. Play calling will be much more conservative, McAdoo wants the OL to work on their run blocking.
RE: RE: Gentleman  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13078800 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 13078793 Kivorka said:


Quote:


I know it's only preseason but you have to be concerned about our line and lack of rushing attack. Teams will just load up and force the pass. Just looking for improvement each game but it's heading in the wrong direction



2011 giants were dead last in rushing and online was terrible


They were a prideful group who came on in the playoffs...this group? With castoffs like Newhouse and Jerry? There is no comparison.
Our weakness remains OT (Flowers and Newhouse)  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 4:37 pm : link
Our strength is the defense. I mean, first teamers have dominated the first two games of play.

The OL doesn't have Pugh inside so that doesn't help. I'm not too worried yet but definitely would like to see some "momentum" via a nice mixed play drive here....
....  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:37 pm : link
we need an upgrade on OL. so far what ive seen the defense is going to be plenty of good enough to win games, in fact they could maybe win us a game or two. Any chance that the giants make a move for a RT? not saying its just newhouse but clearly the oline is lacking...
Go figure another flag on Oline!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:38 pm : link
.
Donnell whiffs again.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:38 pm : link
Man, he sucks.
Holding  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:38 pm : link
on Richburg.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:38 pm : link
donnell is ASS as a blocker
I'm tired of this project we call Larry Donnell.  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:38 pm : link
It's obvious by now he isn't a starting caliber NFL TE.
Donnell just horrendous effort  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:39 pm : link
as a blocker and shouldn't even be in on 1st or 2nd down!
Couple of 3-4 looks  
Joey in VA : 8/20/2016 4:39 pm : link
On that last series on 1st and 2nd. Snacks at 0, OV and Hank at ends, JPP, Kennard as OLBs. Interesting look and effective.
Donnell is still our freaking starter?  
bceagle05 : 8/20/2016 4:39 pm : link
Haven't found an upgrade in three years? Yikes.
Williams is certainly quicker  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 4:39 pm : link
Need to get him a block
No time for Eli there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:39 pm : link
OLine is a HUGE problem.
Flowers  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
struggling
our OL  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
is fucking atrocious.

Flowers, Hart, and Newhouse all burned. Flowers isnt a LT.
The Giants "go no huddle"  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
and nowhere.
Newhouse couldn't handle Hughes  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
.
Andre  
Dodge : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
I don't remember Andre Williams being that quick.

Our online sucks really bad.
Do the plays where  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
they rollout Eli, ever work?
Flowers has been ghastly today.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
.
.  
Danny Kanell : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
This OL and Donnell.

Jesus
Flowers and Hart look like dog shit  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
Get Eli outta there.
Need a blocking TE  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:40 pm : link
BADLY
But Eli  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Is always throwing td's to ODB in practice 😉
Offense in preseason form  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Defense in mid season form.
Flowers has NOT been good.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Jerry actually did well pass blocking there, which is his forte.
...  
redbeard : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Flowers and hart both got abused

This it'll be a shame if this season is done in by a pisspoor oline
Hughes  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
is eating up anybody he faces. He's toying with us. We're having trouble with the speed of their DL.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
i know its preseason and its early but DAMN...we need an upgrade on OL...
Anyone think Eli gets another series  
kelsto811 : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
.
Dogs  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Entire OL, but especially LT Flowers.
TE Donnell, he can't block for shit!

Pugh-Hart-Richburg-Jerry-Flowers.  
bceagle05 : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Who's with me?
Donnell blocks about as good Reuben Randle would  
DennyInDenville : 8/20/2016 4:41 pm : link
Wtf.

Atleast Tye throws an arm at the guy
Yea Eli gets another series for sure  
DennyInDenville : 8/20/2016 4:42 pm : link
1 more, he said he needs it
What a shit line we have.  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:42 pm : link
I don't see a real NFL caliber lineman on this team, other then Richburg. As for the other 13 lineman on the roster, I can't say the same thing.
RE: Pugh-Hart-Richburg-Jerry-Flowers.  
Mason : 8/20/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13078841 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
Who's with me?


I was just thinking about that lineup.
RE: Andre  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13078826 Dodge said:
Quote:
I don't remember Andre Williams being that quick.

Our online sucks really bad.


It's the push-ups (Williams).
Pugh not playing  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 4:43 pm : link
must be part of Flowers being this bad.
Offense looks bad  
gmen4ever : 8/20/2016 4:43 pm : link
Let's hope we work on our blocking before the season. I know it's early but some reason for slight concern.
RE: RE: Pugh-Hart-Richburg-Jerry-Flowers.  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13078845 Mason said:
Quote:
In comment 13078841 bceagle05 said:


Quote:


Who's with me?



I was just thinking about that lineup.


....and then one injury and we are fucked.
With  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:44 pm : link
a suspect OL, you absolutely must have a good blocking TE.
Oline looks worse than last year.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:44 pm : link
and I can't believe I'm even saying that, but Flowers looks like he's regressed and the right side can't run block. TEs are atrocious at blocking, as well. Offensively we could be in for a long year, unless they can somehow figure out a way to get it righted. Is Solari that much of a master?
Casillias should've turned his head on that one.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:44 pm : link
Would've seen it coming.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
thats imcomplete
Not a catch.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
.
what was that ref looking at?  
nygiants16 : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
he never had it
thats not a cacth  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
and if it is, I give up trying to think what is and isnt.
incomplete  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
good challenge
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
i cannot believe they even called that a catch he lost the ball almost immediately
RE: ...  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13078853 BleedBlue said:
Quote:
thats imcomplete
Definitely incomplete. Will be overturned for sure. But damn Taylor is a good QB ain't he?
Incomplete  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
..
Banks said Vernon then safety  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:45 pm : link
When it was DRC who got pressure.
I see the refs are in mid-season form too......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:46 pm : link
How is that a reception? He juggled it and never, controlled it or got two feet in!
Wow how did the judge even think that was a completed catch  
Mason : 8/20/2016 4:46 pm : link
damn it is preseason for everyone I guess.
They're not overturning that....  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 4:46 pm : link
IMO. Lost it after he went out.
That  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:47 pm : link
wasn't even close.
That's another heads up play by Cassillas  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 4:47 pm : link
He's having one helluva pre-season thus far.
RE: With  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13078850 AcidTest said:
Quote:
a suspect OL, you absolutely must have a good blocking TE.


And or possibly a good blocking FB, which Whitlock is not.
RE: That  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13078865 AcidTest said:
Quote:
wasn't even close.


i agree...no idea how the ref calls it complete. honestly i think he didnt see the ball knocked out, i think he thought he held onto it
arguably never even controlled it  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 4:47 pm : link
and then the sideline issue...no catch
Not even Jeff Tripplette can fuck this up.  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:48 pm : link
.
Last long view looked like no catch.  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 4:48 pm : link
Let's see...
Taylor is a good QB and  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:48 pm : link
will be very good for Buffalo this year too.
Cassillas  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 4:49 pm : link
having a good preseason
RE: Not even Jeff Tripplette can fuck this up.  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13078870 B in ALB said:
Quote:
.


Oh he could. He just didnt.
you have to admit  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:49 pm : link
that was a great throw. But that was impressive that Castillas can run with him stride for stride like that
Collins practically kisses the Bills guy after the play.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:49 pm : link
Oookay...
I hate Shady  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 4:49 pm : link
Glad he's not on the Eagles anymore
First real poor defense......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:49 pm : link
....
Why the wide pass rush  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:50 pm : link
with a mobile QB?
Sad to see the OL look so shitty once again.  
yatqb : 8/20/2016 4:50 pm : link
The right side sucks, and with one decent starter out on the left side the OL's just pitiful.
D line  
Nick in LA : 8/20/2016 4:50 pm : link
Not getting much pressure.
I'm not sure what is worse  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:50 pm : link
the Oline or the LBers
Casillas running in cement.  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 4:50 pm : link
Looked really slow in completion to McCoy.
Snacks is a BEaST  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:50 pm : link
against the run
RE: Taylor is a good QB and  
Danny Kanell : 8/20/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13078872 Simms11 said:
Quote:
will be very good for Buffalo this year too.


I agree
lmao  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:51 pm : link
BBI is rough sometimes...defense gives up two completions and omg the LBers suck etc. the defense will be fine
RE: I'm not sure what is worse  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13078883 Annunaki said:
Quote:
the Oline or the LBers


Oline for sure!
With a qb  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 4:51 pm : link
Like Taylor you don't just rush him haphazardly. You must contain
Ouch  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
No pressure
Harrison has to stay healthy  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
He looks great.
Bad job by the D there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
Would be nice to see our O put together a drive like that with Eli in there. Not asking much.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
taylor has a live arm damn that was a good throw. no pressure :(
Gave him too much time  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
.
D-line pressure no where near as dominant as previous  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
game
RE: D line  
David in LA : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13078882 Nick in LA said:
Quote:
Not getting much pressure.


Gotta stay disciplined and maintain gap control with a mobile QB.
rookie  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
with poor coverage.

2 third and longs and McCoy is wide open both times, thats definitely discouraging.
Defense back on track to be  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
the worst in the league once again. Seems last week may have been an apparition.
How could  
mushroom : 8/20/2016 4:52 pm : link
That not been holding on JPP?
McCoy is another asshole.......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:53 pm : link
I'm so glad DJackson and McCoy are off the Eagles.
RE: I'm not sure what is worse  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13078883 Annunaki said:
Quote:
the Oline or the LBers


How many years have we been talking about both as problem areas.
There was a hold on JPP uncalled clothesline.  
bumpsinthenight : 8/20/2016 4:53 pm : link
.
JPP was held  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:53 pm : link
But of course Tripplette missed it.
RE: There was a hold on JPP uncalled clothesline.  
12aob : 8/20/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13078905 bumpsinthenight said:
Quote:
.


Absolutely
RE: RE: I'm not sure what is worse  
Annunaki : 8/20/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13078904 jeff57 said:
Quote:
In comment 13078883 Annunaki said:


Quote:


the Oline or the LBers



How many years have we been talking about both as problem areas.



Way too many!
guys  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 4:54 pm : link
breathe...its the first time the defense has struggled and it was basically three plays. the defense is gonna be fine. im worried about the OL if anything
RE: Defense back on track to be  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13078900 Annunaki said:
Quote:
the worst in the league once again. Seems last week may have been an apparition.


Good lord. Relax.
RE: McCoy is another asshole.......  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 8/20/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13078902 Simms11 said:
Quote:
I'm so glad DJackson and McCoy are off the Eagles.


We ca thank Chip Kelly for that.
The Right side of our O-line is garbage  
Koffman : 8/20/2016 4:55 pm : link
and McAdoo knows it. His runs to the right were to send the office a message that we need help.
RE: With  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13078850 AcidTest said:
Quote:
a suspect OL, you absolutely must have a good blocking TE.
When you have two OT's that struggle in pass protection, you definitely need a TE that can block and block very well. And oh, we have two OT's that suck in pass protection.

I really thought Erek Flowers would go from "below average pass protector" to "average NFL LT pass protector" but so far, no CIGAR.
Eli can't even hit that play.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:56 pm : link
Come on..
Man Tye was wide open there  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/20/2016 4:56 pm : link
bad throw by Eli.
What the hell...  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:56 pm : link
..
Eli not looking good either.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
.....
Manning looks a little rusty  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
.
OK  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
I think sitting Eli all of last week was a mistake. He looks incredibly off today.
who missed the block on 3rd down  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
Newhouse? I mean eli's feet werent even set in shotgun and he has to avoid defenders.
Starting to rely worry about Flowers  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
Focus on him. He is constantly off balance and trying to recover in pass pro.
Eli's off.  
yatqb : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
.
Maybe Eli should have played last week  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/20/2016 4:57 pm : link
he is playing like shit.
"Manning had to side-step a rusher coming off the edge"  
short lease : 8/20/2016 4:58 pm : link
The right edge.
Holy shit guys  
Jay on the Island : 8/20/2016 4:58 pm : link
how many times has the starting offense looked like shit during the preseason only to put up 30+ points week one. Fucking relax about Eli
RE: Man Tye was wide open there  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13078916 nyjuggernaut2 said:
Quote:
bad throw by Eli.
Eli has NOT looked very sharp today. I am not worried about him, of course, but clearly timing is off and his deep ball is off.
Where is Shepard ?  
Koffman : 8/20/2016 4:58 pm : link
I was expecting him to have a big game.
RE: our OL  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13078823 dep026 said:
Quote:
is fucking atrocious.

Flowers, Hart, and Newhouse all burned. Flowers isnt a LT.


Horseshit personnel on the OL. One elite level player (Richburg), one slightly above average player (Pugh), and 3 fringe level players. Yes, I am including Flowers there. He was awful last year and I have yet to read or see any proof thus far with 3 weeks until week 1 that this year will be any different. Poor OL play and a mediocre D, which is a huge improvement from 2015, smells like 8-8 at best.
Why  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 4:58 pm : link
throw deep on third and short.?

Nice catch by King.

It's hard to evaluate the other players when the OL is playing this badly.
Wow  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 4:59 pm : link
Jeesh
drc  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 4:59 pm : link
you cant catch. Let Darian catch it.
The C just had his arm wrapped around Harrison's neck!  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 4:59 pm : link
And Tripplette missed it. Fuckin idiot.
OV!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 4:59 pm : link
Now, there's a player.
OV,"!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 4:59 pm : link
.
Vernon and Snacks  
Koffman : 8/20/2016 5:00 pm : link
are as advertised.
Time to take Our starting Dline out.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:00 pm : link
.
RE: drc  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13078933 dep026 said:
Quote:
you cant catch. Let Darian catch it.


Last time DRC allowed a safety to catch a sure INT, we lost the game!
RE: Where is Shepard ?  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13078929 Koffman said:
Quote:
I was expecting him to have a big game.


Me to ... I think he and Odell are out of the game.

Reports are he practices like and all-pro - did he have 1 catch today? They should have kept him in a little longer ... no?
RE: Time to take Our starting Dline out.....  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13078940 Simms11 said:
Quote:
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Yeah, don't need to see any more from them today. They did well.
Eli done  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 5:02 pm : link
not good for the offense. God, I hope the OL makes improvements quickly. They were atrocious.
our  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 5:02 pm : link
Dline is REAL and pretty young! thats a group we need to keep together, they are gonna do big things for us! If we add one solid LBer or get improved play by someone in that group and get the OL some help we would be a formidable opponent!
Nassib is coming in now.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:02 pm : link
Ugh.
Reality Check  
Jeffrey : 8/20/2016 5:02 pm : link
Just a reminder that this is a 6-10 with lots of room for improvement. Defense really does look better and as always the offense is all about Eli. When he is off it is very poor. There is not run game yet. Long way to go before this team is good but there is hope now when there was none for the past three years.
Eli coming out Nassib in.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:02 pm : link
Starting Oline stays in, as they should!
RE: Why  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13078931 AcidTest said:
Quote:
throw deep on third and short.?

Nice catch by King.

It's hard to evaluate the other players when the OL is playing this badly.


Agreed but not a total loss. You watch the 'all-22' tape and see who is consistently winning their routes.
RE: Eli done  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13078944 dep026 said:
Quote:
not good for the offense. God, I hope the OL makes improvements quickly. They were atrocious.


You're being kind.

Williams with the fumble.
Great job, Andre.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
Idiot.
RE: Holy shit guys  
joe48 : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13078927 Jay on the Island said:
Quote:
how many times has the starting offense looked like shit during the preseason only to put up 30+ points week one. Fucking relax about Eli
When was the last time we won on opening day?
Buh Bye  
Jim Burt64 : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
Andre
Bye bye  
Nick in LA : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
Andre williams
geez- our O is sucking in every facet today  
Del Shofner : 8/20/2016 5:03 pm : link
.
Holy Crap.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:04 pm : link
So much for protecting the Duke!
oh jeez  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 5:04 pm : link
offense is a shit show today. seriously andre williams is garbage...he shouldnt make the team. perkins should be getting more PT
god Newhouse  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 5:04 pm : link
fucking blows.
Hahaha  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 5:04 pm : link
Nice job push ups.
Hopefully that's the end of Andre here.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:04 pm : link
Pure garbage.
How we didn't sign an OL  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 5:04 pm : link
With close to 20 million left in Salary Cap space is looking like a glaring mistake right now.
Williams  
mdthedream : 8/20/2016 5:06 pm : link
looks really bad the first run on the holding call he should have gained 20 yards at least.
I  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:06 pm : link
just have this feeling that teams will be able to control the LOS against us with five players, and drop everyone else back into coverage.
School Me - please  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 5:07 pm : link
Why is it so damn hard to teach a TE to block?
Anyone?
So it sounds like I win because  
lawguy9801 : 8/20/2016 5:07 pm : link
I'm at the beach on a beautiful afternoon and not watching what sounds like a shit show.
RE: I  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13078965 AcidTest said:
Quote:
just have this feeling that teams will be able to control the LOS against us with five players, and drop everyone else back into coverage.


well yeah. Just like the last couple of years. we have done nothing to change that. It was my belief that we needed THREE new starters on the O-line.
Shit  
SomeFan : 8/20/2016 5:08 pm : link
and that is what they look like.
LOL  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 5:08 pm : link
Back to playing 10 yards off WRs. unreal
Flag on every other play.  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 5:08 pm : link
Fucking destroys any flow to the game.
RE: How we didn't sign an OL  
Danny Kanell : 8/20/2016 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13078963 Coach Mason said:
Quote:
With close to 20 million left in Salary Cap space is looking like a glaring mistake right now.


To be fair, they tried. There weren't many options. I think we have to try to cultivate what we have more because Newhouse isn't a starting player in this league. He's already proven what he is. Same with Donnell. And Williams. I know it's preseason but it's more of the same.
DRC gives up too much ground IMO....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:08 pm : link
.
A lot 1s out there for the Giants  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 5:09 pm : link
Jeez
It really makes you wonder  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:10 pm : link
what is going on during these practices..
Now the D is giving up yards to Buffalo's  
Koffman : 8/20/2016 5:10 pm : link
2nd string O
first team defense  
Rflairr : 8/20/2016 5:10 pm : link
looks awful today
D doesn't even look like its trying now.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:11 pm : link
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RE: first team defense  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13078979 Rflairr said:
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looks awful today


Not as awful as your posting. Defense looks just fine.
Still can't cover any RB or TE  
bigbluescot : 8/20/2016 5:11 pm : link
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Dwayne Harris getting XRays.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:12 pm : link
Can we take our starters out, please?
I keep hearing Landon Collins name ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:12 pm : link
being called.
RE: RE: first team defense  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13078981 dep026 said:
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In comment 13078979 Rflairr said:


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looks awful today



Not as awful as your posting. Defense looks just fine.


They look ok vs the run, not vs the pass.
Now we see the man behind the curtain.  
NorwoodWideRight : 8/20/2016 5:13 pm : link
Offensively, this team is a mess. The line can't block or protect, Flowers has taken a big step backward, our right ends can't block, and Eli can't work under the pressure due to the fact he's constantly harried.

Defensively, some things to fix but this can be a solid crew.

What to do with the offense, that's the problem. Yuck.
I am praying WR Dwayne Harris has negative x-ray on knee  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 5:13 pm : link
Praying....

The game's score is secondary to the possibility he is hurt.

Why is the first team still  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/20/2016 5:13 pm : link
In?
Defense was flying around 1st qtr  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/20/2016 5:14 pm : link
completely different though in the 2nd. It's almost as if they are pissed to still be out there and have just stopped trying.
The Sidejudge who called that a TD  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 5:14 pm : link
Has had a really shitty game. What the fuck is he watching out there?
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 5:14 pm : link
i literally have NO IDEA why the starters are still in...i hold my breathe every snap. all we need is OV or JPP leg getting rolled up on and this season will be a lot harder to watch
Defense has played fairly well today......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:14 pm : link
so far the shitshow is in the Offense.......total 180 from last year! We need to get it together on offense. Oline is really a big, big issue.
RE: Why is the first team still  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13078988 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In?


Spite?
RE: The Sidejudge who called that a TD  
dep026 : 8/20/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13078990 B in ALB said:
Quote:
Has had a really shitty game. What the fuck is he watching out there?


There's the Jeff we all know and love.
Not watching the game...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/20/2016 5:16 pm : link
(At a beer garden in Charleston)....has the OL been as bad as some posters have written? Pugh being out has to be a factor.
Missed extra point ....  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:16 pm : link
there is our crack of sunshine ...
RE: Not watching the game...  
Ira : 8/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13078995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
(At a beer garden in Charleston)....has the OL been as bad as some posters have written? Pugh being out has to be a factor.


Yes.
Well, at least Cruz can play football with little kids..  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
..
RE: Not watching the game...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13078995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
(At a beer garden in Charleston)....has the OL been as bad as some posters have written? Pugh being out has to be a factor.


Seems like the Offense as a whole is off.
RE: Not watching the game...  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13078995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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(At a beer garden in Charleston)....has the OL been as bad as some posters have written? Pugh being out has to be a factor.


The OL has had a rough day, but buffalo isn't a bad defense by any means, getting after the passer is what they do, plus it's preseason
RE: Defense has played fairly well today......  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13078992 Simms11 said:
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so far the shitshow is in the Offense.......total 180 from last year! We need to get it together on offense. Oline is really a big, big issue.


The defense has given up some big plays. We got lucky that collins was able to force that fumble at the goal line but remember how they got down there. We dont get those fumbles every time. The score may be 13-0 but we are lucky it is not 20-0 and other then being able to stop the run, please tell me what we have done well today?
RE: The Sidejudge who called that a TD  
GiantGolfer : 8/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13078990 B in ALB said:
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Has had a really shitty game. What the fuck is he watching out there?


You mean, she...
Donnell, just horrendous!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:18 pm : link
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Why Is Donell  
pa_giant_fan : 8/20/2016 5:18 pm : link
Still on this team
Donnell  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2016 5:18 pm : link
Needs to be cut at halftime.
RE: Not watching the game...  
NorwoodWideRight : 8/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13078995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
(At a beer garden in Charleston)....has the OL been as bad as some posters have written? Pugh being out has to be a factor.


1 first down near the end of the half. Constant pressure in the QB, no running game due to lack of holes.
Team looks like hot garbage  
NYerInMA : 8/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
On both sides of the ball basically.
For perspective Eli last preseason  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
was 20 for 38 for 159 yds, 0td and 1 int for a 55.2 passer rating. We finished 8th in total offense last year, 6th in pts.
LOL Larry Donnell is a hot pile of stink  
Mason : 8/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
just some downright awful blocking attempts of a guy who is right in front of you.
Donnell must've won some lifetime pass  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
to be a Giant. Lucky guy.

Last year 6-10  
joe48 : 8/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
Too many holes to fill. Flowers starting too look like he is playing out of position. I guess the whole offense will be Beckham again.
Nice effort by king.  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:20 pm : link
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Donnell is the worst blocker  
Somnambulist : 8/20/2016 5:20 pm : link
I've ever seen. It's like he's doing it on purpose!
Whats with the OL  
Jim Burt64 : 8/20/2016 5:20 pm : link
I mean they all suck ass
We look like a 2 win team today.  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 5:21 pm : link
Donnell is cut tomorrow. Playing like he's stoned.
Flowers also missed another BLOCK.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:21 pm : link
Maybe we should have moved Flowers back to RT and brought in a veteran at LT?!
Is Flowers on Planet Earth today?  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:21 pm : link
Playing like he's on another planet, and not in the good way. Looks like he's lost out there.
Another  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:22 pm : link
bomb down the sideline on third down. Why? Nice catch by King anyway.

Remember that we were sixth in total offense last year with the same OL IIRC. And Flowers was a rookie playing with a bum ankle. We also have more offensive weapons this year, and an improved defense should give us some short fields.
DTs far cry from Hank and Snacks!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:22 pm : link
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I've got to turn this off.  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 5:22 pm : link
Holy shit.
Sure hope  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 5:22 pm : link
the Mike Vick rumors are true
RE: Flowers also missed another BLOCK.....  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13079016 Simms11 said:
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Maybe we should have moved Flowers back to RT and brought in a veteran at LT?!


It sure looks that way right now.
I love our starting safeties  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
And all of us who were looking forward to seeing Collins play his natural position have been vindicated so far.
RE: Not watching the game...  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13078995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
(At a beer garden in Charleston)....has the OL been as bad as some posters have written? Pugh being out has to be a factor.


Yes. And stay at the beer garden. You're having the best time of any of us. It's preseason, but this is painful on offense.
RE: Last year 6-10  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13079011 joe48 said:
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Too many holes to fill. Flowers starting too look like he is playing out of position. I guess the whole offense will be Beckham again.


All we have on offense right now is Eli and OBJ. That is the reality. Shepard is unproven. We have nothing else. Last year, we did it all due to the Eli to OBJ connection. It is absolutely critical that we run the ball effectively this year.
Just awful. Beaten badly on both sides of the ball.  
yatqb : 8/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
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Wtf was that flag on?  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
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was that Millhouse on the pressure  
Coach Mason : 8/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
???
I don't know  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 5:24 pm : link
Why most of you even watch football
RE: Sure hope  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13079021 Kivorka said:
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the Mike Vick rumors are true


Why does he play OT?
You kidding?  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:24 pm : link
They called that a hold on Hall?!
Harris knee: Xrays  
Canton : 8/20/2016 5:25 pm : link
Giants WR/KR Dwayne Harris injured his knee and has been taken in for X-Rays.
RE: Harris knee: Xrays  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13079032 Canton said:
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Giants WR/KR Dwayne Harris injured his knee and has been taken in for X-Rays.


About 20 mins late.
I was really hoping with a new coach...  
BillKo : 8/20/2016 5:27 pm : link
we would look crisper in preseason. It's just more of the same really.

And I will say, this team is playing like they practice. I was at the Monday practice, and they team looked very unimpressive.

There's talent there, but you do play like you practice.
and I don't think having  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 5:27 pm : link
Pugh in there makes any difference. This is a deeply flawed team. Painful to watch
RE: RE: Harris knee: Xrays  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13079033 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13079032 Canton said:


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Giants WR/KR Dwayne Harris injured his knee and has been taken in for X-Rays.



About 20 mins late.


Actually cantons post has more detailed information, I prefer his post to yours
The TEs are terrible blockers  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/20/2016 5:29 pm : link
That's one of the biggest problems in the run game right now. Not so much the line, but the TEs.
RE: RE: RE: Harris knee: Xrays  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13079037 crick n NC said:
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In comment 13079033 Dave in Hoboken said:


Quote:


In comment 13079032 Canton said:


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Giants WR/KR Dwayne Harris injured his knee and has been taken in for X-Rays.



About 20 mins late.



Actually cantons post has more detailed information, I prefer his post to yours


Who asked you?
geez  
giantfan2000 : 8/20/2016 5:31 pm : link
Giants seem like a very poorly coached team
RE: RE: RE: RE: Harris knee: Xrays  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13079040 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13079037 crick n NC said:


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In comment 13079033 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 13079032 Canton said:


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Giants WR/KR Dwayne Harris injured his knee and has been taken in for X-Rays.



About 20 mins late.



Actually cantons post has more detailed information, I prefer his post to yours



Who asked you?


No one has to ask me, public forum
Sucks.......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:31 pm : link
We just better hope our starters on D never have to come out!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Harris knee: Xrays  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13079042 crick n NC said:
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In comment 13079040 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 13079037 crick n NC said:


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In comment 13079033 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 13079032 Canton said:


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Giants WR/KR Dwayne Harris injured his knee and has been taken in for X-Rays.



About 20 mins late.



Actually cantons post has more detailed information, I prefer his post to yours



Who asked you?



No one has to ask me, public forum


Sure they do. Either way, glad you got a taste of something you like.
Our offensive line is fucking awful......  
Dry Lightning : 8/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
The run blocking is pathetic, and don't give me any bullshit about good sack totals last year. That is all Eli's magic at avoiding them. If you want to point to one pick that has really fucked us- it is Pugh. Just a terrible player.
?  
crick n NC : 8/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
Strange reply
Think about it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:33 pm : link
Hehe.
I predict they will rule it a TD  
EricJ : 8/20/2016 5:33 pm : link
.
Deayon  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 5:34 pm : link
great effort.
Nice play.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:34 pm : link
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RE: Our offensive line is fucking awful......  
Nick in LA : 8/20/2016 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13079045 Dry Lightning said:
Quote:
The run blocking is pathetic, and don't give me any bullshit about good sack totals last year. That is all Eli's magic at avoiding them. If you want to point to one pick that has really fucked us- it is Pugh. Just a terrible player.

Pugh didn't play today fuckwad
Holy shit  
Route 9 : 8/20/2016 5:35 pm : link
Nice effort
Bahahaha,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
nice miss!
RE: Our offensive line is fucking awful......  
antdog24 : 8/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13079045 Dry Lightning said:
Quote:
The run blocking is pathetic, and don't give me any bullshit about good sack totals last year. That is all Eli's magic at avoiding them. If you want to point to one pick that has really fucked us- it is Pugh. Just a terrible player.

Agreed, Pugh sucks today... it's like he's not even there.
wide right  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
.
He just made the team  
gtt350 : 8/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
/
It  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
takes special skill to hit the upright on two consecutive kicks.
RE: It  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13079060 AcidTest said:
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takes special skill to hit the upright on two consecutive kicks.


2 pretty short kicks, too.
RE: Our offensive line is fucking awful......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13079045 Dry Lightning said:
Quote:
The run blocking is pathetic, and don't give me any bullshit about good sack totals last year. That is all Eli's magic at avoiding them. If you want to point to one pick that has really fucked us- it is Pugh. Just a terrible player.


Yes, Eli gets the ball out quickly and in this offense it's fine, however, we still need time to throw the ball deeper, as well and the ability to run the ball. Oline has been the biggest concern so far this pre-season, but I don't agree about Pugh being a terrible player. He's not the concern on this Oline at all..
I have no  
X : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
idea what a catch is anymore.
2 missed extra points ....  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
We are right back in this !
RE: RE: Our offensive line is fucking awful......  
SomeFan : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13079054 Nick in LA said:
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In comment 13079045 Dry Lightning said:


Quote:


The run blocking is pathetic, and don't give me any bullshit about good sack totals last year. That is all Eli's magic at avoiding them. If you want to point to one pick that has really fucked us- it is Pugh. Just a terrible player.


Pugh didn't play today fuckwad


Flowers didn't light the world on fire either and he did play.
RE: Our offensive line is fucking awful......  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13079045 Dry Lightning said:
Quote:
The run blocking is pathetic, and don't give me any bullshit about good sack totals last year. That is all Eli's magic at avoiding them. If you want to point to one pick that has really fucked us- it is Pugh. Just a terrible player.


Our TEs are brutal blockers and cannot set the edge. It's a huge problem that has been highlighted today.

I don't think our whole line is as bad.
OLine strikes again.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
Scary.
Nassib blows  
NYerInMA : 8/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
Ye gods.
Perkins nice  
Somnambulist : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
Blitz pickup. Little victories...
Perkins  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
Made a great block
You fucking kidding me!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
This offense looks like it's never played together before!
Deayon  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
is smaller than I thought. He's listed at a generous 5'9". Weight: 158. If they can just stretch him 3-4" and gain 30 pounds...
And Deayon gets beat.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
Holy schnikes.
We Must Be The Only Team  
pa_giant_fan : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
With not one TE that can block.
Nassib  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
or any QB. It does not matter behind this OL.
Jesus H  
SomeFan : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
Christ, we look so fucking bad.
Nassib  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
gets creamed from the blindside, and then Deayon gets beat for the TD.
So...the good news  
Matt in SGS : 8/20/2016 5:39 pm : link
there is going to be lots for the coaches to show on film that will need to be corrected.
AFC East .... giving us problems  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
Last week Miami today Buffalo ... next week doesn't look good against the Jets.
We'll see.
Fun couple of minutes for Deayon.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
On top of the world 1 minute, gets shit on the next.
RE: So...the good news  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13079078 Matt in SGS said:
Quote:
there is going to be lots for the coaches to show on film that will need to be corrected.


Yea, but it never seems like it get corrected! Same shit week after week IMO.
This is becoming worrisome.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
The offense in particular doesn't look ready. Or even competitive. And that's supposed to be the team's strength.
We suck again!!!  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2016 5:41 pm : link
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That's on Nassib  
eclipz928 : 8/20/2016 5:41 pm : link
he has to change the protection pre snap, or check back on that side where the blitz came before going through his progression.
He was pushed  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 5:41 pm : link
But that is never called.

He should never be in in RedZone D
...  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 5:41 pm : link
that hit was on tye...the OL was fine, tye literally let the guy come right through him...
Wow  
LondonGiant : 8/20/2016 5:41 pm : link
What a horrible, horrible football team we have here!
Imagine if Eli gets injured! Not sure I'm looking forward to the London game so much if this is anything to go by!
Very  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
few 5'9" boundary corners. You better be as good as Darrell Green to play out there at that height.

Holy wow. We can't even field a kickoff.
Even the STs are fucking up now.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
I really hope we didn't rush McAdoo to the HC spot. Teams looks lost in all phases.
Will Tye  
B in ALB : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
Not even trying to check out of his route. And Nassib didn't bother to adjust the protection when 41 creeped the line. Terrible job.

What the fuck is the TE coach doing with these guys? Have a nice flight home pal. Better get your shit together.
RE: AFC East .... giving us problems  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13079079 short lease said:
Quote:
Last week Miami today Buffalo ... next week doesn't look good against the Jets.
We'll see.


JETs will crush us next week. Our Oline against that D?! Forget it!
ooohhh noooo  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
we suck again!
7-9  
well...bye TC : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
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What a lousy performance. I know it is only pre season but so  
GeorgeFox : 8/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
far the Giants have looked terrible! This game they sucked, they have to suck less in the next game.
Who is coaching the tight ends?  
joe48 : 8/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
I am getting sick watching this. Team looks awful.
I know this is preseason but this is beyond pathetic  
Blue21 : 8/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
This is an embarassment. They can't do anything right.
Will Tye, Larry Donnell,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
Ereck Flowers, John Jerry, Marshall Newhouse all on another planet today.
"Giants have more penalty yards than yards on offense"  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
How pathetic is that statement? I mean, just a bad day by the offense.

I can't get over how bad our TE's are blocking today?
The  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
kneel by Nassib was his most successful play.
Well!  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
That was pleasant!
RE: Will Tye, Larry Donnell,  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13079099 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Ereck Flowers, John Jerry, Marshall Newhouse all on another planet today.
Agree except for Jerry. I don't recall seeing him with a bad play? Did I miss it?
RE: Will Tye  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13079091 B in ALB said:
Quote:
Not even trying to check out of his route. And Nassib didn't bother to adjust the protection when 41 creeped the line. Terrible job.

What the fuck is the TE coach doing with these guys? Have a nice flight home pal. Better get your shit together.


Why did we let Pope go again?
Jerell Adams  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
Get him in there. Wasn't he a good blocker in college. It's time he gets his shot.
Well there is lots  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 5:45 pm : link
Of (bad) film
I don't really mind if the team looks bad in preseason games.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/20/2016 5:45 pm : link
It exposes what they need to work on and keeps them humble.

Nobody remembers 4-0 preseason teams.
I guess it will be interesting to see  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:45 pm : link
how McAdoo handles all of this, this week. Pretty pitiful display of offensive football. 2nd team D also put in a bad spot due to turnovers, however, they didn't do too much to slow them down either!
What the hell is going on here ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 5:45 pm : link
Nobodies blocking.




This is sorta getting comical ....

How could we give up a 2 missed extra point edge?

Can Nassib catch the ball ... TE? Might find a gem ... can' be any worse.
Giants playing some sloppy football  
steve in ky : 8/20/2016 5:46 pm : link
I don't care about wins or losses at this point but slippy football is not what you want to see in preseason.
If Jake Long is 80% the player he was  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 5:46 pm : link
You can't tell me with a straight face that Newhouse and Flowers are both better players. You can play (and consistently win) with one weak link (Jerry), but not with 3 starters on the OL who, thus far, look like fringe NFL Offensive Linemen. I hated Flowers over Gurley. No way he was BPA. And then proceeding to bring back the same cast hoping continuity would benefit this group is nothing more than pissing into the wind. Continuity. Yes indeed: they blew ass last year and continue to do so in 2016.
The horrible play on the OL  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 5:47 pm : link
makes it very difficult for a young WR to impress.
It's preseason but our offensive line has  
Thinblueline : 8/20/2016 5:48 pm : link
No push. I really think they are not strong enough. Pass protection shows average but our running game is going to be bad again this year. Barry Sanders couldn't run with our line..
RE: Jerell Adams  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13079105 USAF NYG Fan said:
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Get him in there. Wasn't he a good blocker in college. It's time he gets his shot.


Why not LaCosse? He is supposed to be the best all-around TE. I think it's time to shake up the depth chart at TE and move Donnell down to the bottom.
I  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 5:49 pm : link
don't see how we can keep Donnell. He whiffs on almost every block, and doesn't add enough in the passing game to make up for that fact. I agree with whoever said we should get Adams more playing time.

Flowers and Newhouse were bad. Hart as well, but we have far less invested in him. There are no running lanes.

The first team D looked good, but they need support from the offense.

King had a nice catch, and almost another along the sideline.

Wing was excellent.
RE: RE: Jerell Adams  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 5:51 pm : link
In comment 13079116 Simms11 said:
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In comment 13079105 USAF NYG Fan said:


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Get him in there. Wasn't he a good blocker in college. It's time he gets his shot.



Why not LaCosse? He is supposed to be the best all-around TE. I think it's time to shake up the depth chart at TE and move Donnell down to the bottom.

I'd rather see Adams (the rookie) but at this point I'm not against seeing anybody other than Tye or Donnell for blocking.
sheesh  
jintsjunkie : 8/20/2016 5:53 pm : link
Well, Mr. Mara. You fired Coughlin. You know who has to go next if this keeps up. Very smart not addressing the OL in the offseason. Very, very smart.
Sooooooo  
Phatballllz : 8/20/2016 5:54 pm : link
What I miss? Just got back and see this garbage scoreboard
Haven't had a chance to watch any of it yet  
mfsd : 8/20/2016 5:54 pm : link
How bad is it?
We have to have the worst TE corp in the league.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:54 pm : link
Larry Donnell and Will Tye...like...really?
RE: Haven't had a chance to watch any of it yet  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13079125 mfsd said:
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How bad is it?


1st string D was good. Offense can't do anything because of the OL and TE blocking.
Nice run by AWill there  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 5:59 pm : link
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Hart! Crap!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
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Good and Bad from the starters  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
Good: Casillas, Collins, entire 1st team DL (dominating against the run), Thompson (whom I wanted to see something from)

Bad: Play calling (unless it's intentional), Eli (just rusty), Newhouse, Flowers, LB's (except for Casillas)

Play calling: Unless they are just trying to get better in the run game I don't understand why they focused on the run. Their strength lies in the passing game. The OL was terrible regardless is at least better at pass pro then the run. Besides that, it doesn't even look like a WCO out there. What happened to the quick throws, the slants, and the 1 screen was a mess of failure.

Still lot's to do but I love seeing that the new 1st team run defense is legit.
RE: Haven't had a chance to watch any of it yet  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13079125 mfsd said:
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How bad is it?


Mfsd ... did you tape the game? Don't bother - it is pretty bad. 1 string D had it's moments but, the entire O looked out of sync ... I am wondering how much these "Vanilla" packages add to sloppiness. I doubt they are practicing Vanilla?

Then when the game starts the players are running simple and standard plays but, they have not been worked on during practice? Not sure if that affects the synchronicity of the team?
Hart  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
did not look good on those last two plays. Got beat on both.
I think a lot of writers and fans  
81_Great_Dane : 8/20/2016 6:01 pm : link
have underestimated the impact of having a rookie head coach. It doesn't mean we're doomed, but Ben McAdoo is on a learning curve like any other rookie HC. That's bound to be a thing in these early games.
Holy fuck!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:01 pm : link
This Oline......
..........  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:01 pm : link
Incredibly sloppy, horrible fundies, and the other team looks so much better
Whitlock sucks ass too.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:02 pm : link
Not a good block from him either.
Hart  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:03 pm : link
is being abused.
RE: We have to have the worst TE corp in the league.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/20/2016 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13079127 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Larry Donnell and Will Tye...like...really?

Reese has gone dumpster diving when it comes to the tight end position for most of his tenure.
Can  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:03 pm : link
Wing play OL?
He's out of the game now but...  
jnoble : 8/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
Anyone else already tired of reading/ hearing the sports media's giddy obsession with Harrison's dumb "Snacks"nickname? They just can't get enough of repeating it: "Snacks Snacks Snacks Snacks...." STOP!!!!
Wing  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
may be the Giants star of the game.
They look disorganized  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
........
One of the few positives today.....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
The punter! It almost looks like the team doesn't want to be there!
If Bobby Hart  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
is the person people are holding out hope for as far as the OLine goes, that's pretty freakin' scary..
How did Reese look at the Oline last year  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2016 6:05 pm : link
And decide to run with the same group this year??

We had he worst 4 minute offense in football. If you can't run you can't win.

I am very worried about this season and having to put it all on Eli again.
I  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:06 pm : link
know I might get pummeled for saying this, but should we look at Beatty?
RE: I think a lot of writers and fans  
SomeFan : 8/20/2016 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13079142 81_Great_Dane said:
Quote:
have underestimated the impact of having a rookie head coach. It doesn't mean we're doomed, but Ben McAdoo is on a learning curve like any other rookie HC. That's bound to be a thing in these early games.


They spent a lot of money on players for a coach to be allowed a learning curve. I doubt that is the mindset.
You know what's crazy........  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:07 pm : link
3rd string QBs the last two weeks have been better then our primary, 4 year vet back up!!
RE: I  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13079160 AcidTest said:
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know I might get pummeled for saying this, but should we look at Beatty?


Honestly? It couldn't hurt. Flowers is not a LT. I'm sorry, but that was the case both in college and in the pros. He's not a LT.
So it's  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 6:08 pm : link
the rookie head coach now? Now I've heard everything
RE: Can  
joebulldog : 8/20/2016 6:08 pm : link
not drafting or signing quality OL men is going to make our offense mediocre and wear the defense out. also, nassib has not shown anything since he has been here to support keeping his spot. need to find a better backup QB.
Unbelievable ZERO pressure......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:08 pm : link
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I thought Buffalo took their starters out?  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:08 pm : link
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RE: I thought Buffalo took their starters out?  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13079169 short lease said:
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Too funny, but it's not!
Okwara  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 6:10 pm : link
looking good
RE: RE: I  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13079164 Anakim said:
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In comment 13079160 AcidTest said:


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know I might get pummeled for saying this, but should we look at Beatty?



Honestly? It couldn't hurt. Flowers is not a LT. I'm sorry, but that was the case both in college and in the pros. He's not a LT.


I don't think Beatty will give us much push in the run game, but he was a good pass protector at LT. And right now, that would be enough.

Nice play by Okwara.
Are first cuts this week or next?  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:11 pm : link
We need to be scouring the cuts for Oline and TEs.
Don't really care about the results, it's preseason after all.  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:11 pm : link
But Nassib is/was a wasted pick. Let's thank our lucky stars that Manning is an iron man.

And Reese better pick up some veteran OL's soon. Let's thank our lucky stars that Manning has pocket presence and can work around a porous OL.

FLOWERS  
PaulN : 8/20/2016 6:12 pm : link
SUCKS.
So this pre-season, we've scored all of 1 TD and have  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:12 pm : link
10 points! Ugh......
RE: Don't really care about the results, it's preseason after all.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/20/2016 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13079177 Jim in Hoboken said:
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But Nassib is/was a wasted pick.

Wasted two picks.
Flowers  
realgiants91 : 8/20/2016 6:14 pm : link
is not even a right tackle. He is a guard.
So much for Obarski getting a lot of work today?!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:14 pm : link
What was that?
RE: Are first cuts this week or next?  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13079176 Simms11 said:
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We need to be scouring the cuts for Oline and TEs.


First cuts are on the 30th.
pathetic  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:14 pm : link
..
Douzable  
Matt in SGS : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
with what I coined "the Ray Agnew sack" year ago, ie- the only way Ray Agnew got a sack was if the QB tripped over him when he was on the ground.
Ten  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
yards is ten miles for this offense.
Can Long & Beatty  
pa_giant_fan : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
Be any worst than these sorry excuses for Olinemen.
God forbid Eli ever gets hurt.  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
Nassib is a disaster.
People  
PaulN : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
Want to defend him and kill Newhouse, I agree Newhouse sucks, but Flowers stinks, to not know his level and let the left tackle position go is a fucking disgrace. The Offensive Line can ruin this season, and I pray that this coaching staff is competent, because this is a disgrace all over the field, as Coughlin would say, this is just bad football. There is no sugar coating this anymore.
Nassib blows  
Jim Burt64 : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
too... holy shit
Our back up QB that we moved up to draft  
xman : 8/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
who was a steal because he could have been a first rounder shows me nothing. Don't like his QB IQ. Hate his throwing motion. No pocket presence. Looks like this is his first he ever played . He throws one pass the short seam. If you cut him my guess is that no one will pick him up. He is lower then a JAG
57 yards of offense  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:16 pm : link
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This offense is scary bad.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/20/2016 6:17 pm : link
You could run this tape to scare the McAdoos when they come over to trick-or-treat.
Three  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:17 pm : link
first downs. Endless penalties, and no OL play worth mentioning.
This front office  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:17 pm : link
actually traded up to get Nassib, too....for some strange reason..
Wow we suck ass......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:18 pm : link
Oline starters and depth have not been good. I see the other teams around the league and they seem to be capable of moving the ball, even with their back up Oline. What seems to be the biggest issue? Is it talent? Scheme? This has been an ongoing issue for a number of years now. It appears that Flaherty wasn't the issue, as the issues remain the same. I think the Oline is perhaps worse!
RE: 57 yards of offense  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13079195 jeff57 said:
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And much of that was on one play to Beckham.
RE: RE: I  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13079164 Anakim said:
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In comment 13079160 AcidTest said:


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know I might get pummeled for saying this, but should we look at Beatty?



Honestly? It couldn't hurt. Flowers is not a LT. I'm sorry, but that was the case both in college and in the pros. He's not a LT.


I think last year he might have gotten some free passes because he was a starting LT as a rookie. I mean, he had some moments that could have lead you to think - he may pull this out with work and experience? And, I am not sure that his career at LT is over.

But, so what if they move him to RT? and, he becomes great RT? I am sure everyone would welcome a great RT over an average LT?

Regardless .... More OL help in the immediate future - no matter where they go?
Okwara  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 6:21 pm : link
another nice play
How  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:21 pm : link
many inches will we gain this possession?
Two Things I Said Landon Collins ProBowl  
Bluesbreaker : 8/20/2016 6:22 pm : link
and the O-line needs needed and still needs help
Flowers is starting to worry me we should have spent
The $ on Penn and slid Mr Mean Face over to RT ..
What Ya gonna Do Jerry ......
......  
Micko : 8/20/2016 6:22 pm : link
Is the problem really Nassib or a line that can't block? Eli looked terrible too. It's only pre-season so I'm not about to get fired up but the O-line needs work.
Come on  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 6:22 pm : link
it's not about wins, it's about production and how the practices translate to production on the field. I'm just looking for OVERALL improvement not just the first string defensive line
Not much of an opportunity to watch the West race  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 6:23 pm : link
But the DT one is interesting. Nix made some nice plays as well
And  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:23 pm : link
we got ANOTHER penalty.
We've just been awful as a team and as individuabls today.  
Bill in UT : 8/20/2016 6:23 pm : link
But I've watched football long enough to know you're never as bad as you look on days like this. Funny, we looked like we were going 12-4 until we had to start playing other teams
Man, even STs can't do anything right.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:23 pm : link
What is McAdoo doing at practice?
RE: So this pre-season, we've scored all of 1 TD and have  
snumber6 : 8/20/2016 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13079180 Simms11 said:
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10 points! Ugh......


Obviously the OLine is a mess ... but Eli knows how to handle a mess of a OLine ... Just remember his first year where Warner was sacked 39 times to Eli's 13 ...
We are showing NOTHING of our offense in preseason ...
I'm sure it will be much better ...

The backup OL is scary bad  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:25 pm : link
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Sorry  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 6:25 pm : link
West should be WR
RE: The backup OL is scary bad  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13079221 jeff57 said:
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So is the starting OL.
Gale Sayers couldn't run  
dune69 : 8/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
behind this OL.
RE: ......  
joebulldog : 8/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13079209 Micko said:
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Is the problem really Nassib or a line that can't block? Eli looked terrible too. It's only pre-season so I'm not about to get fired up but the O-line needs work.


with this OL and Eli we will go 8-8. If Eli got hurt with nassib we would not win a game.
Great kick  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
Wing.
.  
shelovesnycsports : 8/20/2016 6:27 pm : link
......  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:27 pm : link
What have they been doing in practice? This is a total disgrace, as Papa is saying you can't evaluate RB's, WR's when you have this type of line play....starters and back-ups.

Total shit show even for a pre-season game.
How bad do you have to be to be deep down....  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 6:27 pm : link
the depth chart on our offensive line?

There isn't a single positive thing to be said about our offense today. So.... nowhere to go but up!
RE: Gale Sayers couldn't run  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13079225 dune69 said:
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behind this OL.


Not even 18 inches of day light ... they can provide?
RE: Gale Sayers couldn't run  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13079225 dune69 said:
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behind this OL.


Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
RE: 57 yards of offense  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13079195 jeff57 said:
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Who? Who had 57 yards?
Well ....  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:32 pm : link
our house is clean.
RE: RE: Gale Sayers couldn't run  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13079234 Anakim said:
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In comment 13079225 dune69 said:


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behind this OL.



Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
Flowers doesn't look like a LT to me. I think he'd do much better as a RT. I'm just stunned over how many "mistakes" he continues to make with his sets, footwork, angles. Just not good....
Waiver wire needs.  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:33 pm : link
And unfortunately as starters not back-ups...................TE, OL, back up QB
Aloooot of penalties.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:34 pm : link
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Nassib 0-7 before the first completion  
Canton : 8/20/2016 6:34 pm : link
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I swear to god,  
Marine One : 8/20/2016 6:35 pm : link
I don't know how in the hell you make roster decisions at the skill positions with this O line and QB play! Pre-season or not, this is horrendous. Some of these guys are standing around or just going through the motions long before the whistle blows. Solari needs to start kicking some ass!
RE: RE: RE: Gale Sayers couldn't run  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13079239 SGMen said:
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In comment 13079234 Anakim said:


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In comment 13079225 dune69 said:


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behind this OL.



Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.

Flowers doesn't look like a LT to me. I think he'd do much better as a RT. I'm just stunned over how many "mistakes" he continues to make with his sets, footwork, angles. Just not good....


That's why I was so averse to taking him. I saw Flowers as strictly a RT. I didn't think and still don't think he has a future at LT. I saw him as only a RT in the mold of Jah Reid. I thought Gurley II had the potential to be another AP.
Shame  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:38 pm : link
We heard so much about our young WR's in camp.....but no one can show any flashes.
The entire OLine from 1st string on down  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:39 pm : link
is bad, minus a couple of players...
To  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:39 pm : link
paraphrase 1984, it's doubleplusatrocious.
These are things I know from today....  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 6:40 pm : link
Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.

Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
RE: The entire OLine from 1st string on down  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13079258 Dave in Hoboken said:
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is bad, minus a couple of players...


Pugh is fine at LG, Richburg is great at OC, I'd like to see Flowers at RT.


After that, it's a whole bunch of shit...and the fact that we didn't draft or sign (undrafted) a single O-Lineman is amazing.
RE: Waiver wire needs.  
joebulldog : 8/20/2016 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13079241 NewBlue said:
[quote] And unfortunately as starters not back-ups...................TE, OL, back up QB

this will be the true test for reese and McAdoo to make adjustments in both the roster and coaching/play calling. if things stay basicly the same, we will again hear Mara at years end give his performance of frustration that he wont tolerate this again.
Damn we look bad  
TyFromQueens : 8/20/2016 6:41 pm : link
That's bad meaning bad not bad meaning good!

I know we really haven't opened up the play book but would it even matter?

Call me crazy...but if I'm Reese I swallow my pride,design Beatty and get him working back at LT.

Again,call me crazy. Move Flowers to RT like we should have done from the start of the offseason.
The  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:41 pm : link
Giants have to get a few new OL, and shuffle some existing players around. At this point, it might be better to play Pugh at LT, although that will not happen.
Did I just hear ...  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:42 pm : link
Nassib .... 1 for 8?
10 penalties committed by the Giants?


Good thing we got rid of the HC and his no descipline, lazy, "players coach" approach.

Boo hoo hoo ... sniff sniff
been thinking this since last year  
Netrix48lawz : 8/20/2016 6:42 pm : link
Flowers should be moved to right guard. Next years draft Giants should spend 1st two picks on a Left & right tackle.
RE: These are things I know from today....  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13079262 SGMen said:
Quote:
Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.

Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
AND QB NASSIB sucks. I mean he really can't throw to the outside? I'm watching and not believing. Pathetic.
RE: The entire OLine from 1st string on down  
Mason : 8/20/2016 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13079258 Dave in Hoboken said:
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is bad, minus a couple of players...


I would say the entire OL today. Wasn't that impress with Richburg today either. Not much of push up the middle for Jennings when he was in there.

Would very interesting if McAdoo does not adjust his practices. Seems like he had very few hard practices and a lot of walkthroughs stuff for these guys.
RE: These are things I know from today....  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13079262 SGMen said:
Quote:
Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.

Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.


That's what you got from TODAY?
Well, I guess Rex can proclaim his team to be ...  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 6:44 pm : link
NY's team again.
RE: been thinking this since last year  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13079269 Netrix48lawz said:
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Flowers should be moved to right guard. Next years draft Giants should spend 1st two picks on a Left & right tackle.



I'm already primed to watch Cam Robinson of Alabama and Roderick Johnson of Florida State all year
COOPER TAYLOR!!!!  
Mr. Bungle : 8/20/2016 6:45 pm : link
BEAST!!!
A pick?  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
For the Giants? Didn't think those were allowed anymore. Nuice!
Anybody else reading  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
a quick flash of "BILLS RUN DEEP" and seeing something different?

Cooooooop!  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
I knew he was a keeper!
Offensive starts at our 2 yard line  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
Watch what happens here........
Old news but  
liteamorn : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
Maybe we should have taken a flyer on La'el Collins, damn our line looks like shit
Pugh was not a good RT  
Bill in UT : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
Why would he be a good LT?
Cooper  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:47 pm : link
makes the easy pick.
RE: RE: These are things I know from today....  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13079273 jeff57 said:
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In comment 13079262 SGMen said:


Quote:


Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.

Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.



That's what you got from TODAY?
Yeah, LOL. But you know what, these results are pretty consistent with the camp reports EXCEPT that our offense was worse today than anyone could have imagined. Watching our TE's try to block is just painful. Painful.
What a run!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:48 pm : link
But it seems like every Giant RB always gets caught from behind on a breakaway run.
Bobby Rainey ....  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:48 pm : link
sign him !
That  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:48 pm : link
one play by Rainey exceeded our total previous yardage.
Great job Rainey  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:48 pm : link
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It is now RAINING in Buffalo, folks!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:49 pm : link
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Bob Papa said "Rainey" four times  
Mr. Bungle : 8/20/2016 6:50 pm : link
on that play.
He won't make the team  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:50 pm : link
Would love to see more of Perkins
Funny he looked fast returning punts  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 6:51 pm : link
Who was on OL?
Holy  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:51 pm : link
ridiculous, we completed a pass. Is that allowed?
RE: Gale Sayers couldn't run  
snumber6 : 8/20/2016 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13079225 dune69 said:
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behind this OL.


Gale Sayers is 73 years old ...
Rainey reminds me a little  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:52 pm : link
Of Dave Meggett.
McDermott  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 6:52 pm : link
Should be 2nd string
Oh Boy  
greek13 : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
Almost all of us believed that the OL needed an upgrade - the Giants tried but lost out on some FAs - the draft seems to have been very good to us but we passed on the OL - Reece acted surprised that anyone would be concerned - we have 3 really really challenged starters - did we loose out because FLOWERS had to be the LT - even the best fantasizers that hoped Jerry Hart Newhouse and Flowers would be average or better all of a sudden - can't be feeling very good - this is scary - an offense with some strong weapons may have trouble against everyone with a strong DL and pass rush - I do not like the way our GM presents himself and the arrogance that comes forward - but I love the Giants more than I want him fired -but if we waste another precious year of Eli and OBJ ---- Reece cannot work here anymore - he will have nobody to blame but himself - personally I hoped he was out with Coach Coughlin - when he fanned on at least one OT I was thinking maybe He knew better - does anyone think this is a reasonable nfl OL? We really have one more preseason game to go before Dallas
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And you guys were complaining about the run blocking?  
short lease : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
Some units take a little while longer to warm up than others. What is wrong wit yous?



Nassib update 2 for 12 - 25 yards. Just in.
Ugh  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
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Bye,  
Mr. Bungle : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
Obarski.
So our Week 1 kicker just missed a 28 yard FG.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
Great..
LOL  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
unbelievable
And  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 6:53 pm : link
Obarski misses a chippy FG. Yippee! Unreal.
Ringing Josh Scobee...  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:54 pm : link
.
holy hell  
giantfan2000 : 8/20/2016 6:54 pm : link
add kicker to the list of needs
What kickers are out there  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:54 pm : link
?
Wow.....from 28 a miss?  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 6:54 pm : link
Now we need to also sign a veteran kicker for week 1.
Dave........Now he wont be our week 1 kicker  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 6:54 pm : link
....
Thank god the offense didn't score a touchdown, otherwise the  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
kicker would've needed to make a 33 yarder to impress the coaches. 28 yard should be much eaiser....wait....
LOL  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
.
Disaster.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
.
RE: Waiver wire needs.  
snumber6 : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
In comment 13079241 NewBlue said:
Quote:
And unfortunately as starters not back-ups...................TE, OL, back up QB


add kicker ...
calling  
giantfan2000 : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
Lawrence Tynes
Wow Reese and Ben certainly got their finger  
Blue21 : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
on this. Holy Crap what a shitshow
RE: What kickers are out there  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13079319 jeff57 said:
Quote:
?


I think Josh Scobee is the best one out there. Otherwise, we wait until someone is cut.
RE: Oh Boy  
81_Great_Dane : 8/20/2016 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13079310 greek13 said:
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Reece acted surprised that anyone would be concerned
-

What are you referring to? Not disputing, just trying to get educated.

I doubt that the Giants thought their line was fine as is. I suspect that after using late picks on OL prospects that didn't pan out, and signing UDFA linemen who showed why they were never drafted, the Giants decided to go a different direction and use late round picks and UDFA slots on prospects they were more confident in. But this is year 1 of a 2-year plan, and year 2 probably entails either more veteran free agent signings, more premium picks on OL, or both.
RE: Oh Boy  
joebulldog : 8/20/2016 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13079310 greek13 said:
[quote] Almost all of us believed that the OL needed an upgrade - the Giants tried but lost out on some FAs - the draft seems to have been very good to us but we passed on the OL - Reece acted surprised that anyone would be concerned - we have 3 really really challenged starters - did we loose out because FLOWERS had to be the LT - even the best fantasizers that hoped Jerry Hart Newhouse and Flowers would be average or better all of a sudden - can't be feeling very good - this is scary - an offense with some strong weapons may have trouble against everyone with a strong DL and pass rush - I do not like the way our GM presents himself and the arrogance that comes forward - but I love the Giants more than I want him fired -but if we waste another precious year of Eli and OBJ ---- Reece cannot work here anymore - he will have nobody to blame but himself - personally I hoped he was out with Coach Coughlin - when he fanned on at least one OT I was thinking maybe He knew better - does anyone think this is a reasonable nfl OL? We really have one more preseason game to go before Dallas

I am really looking forward to reese and McAdoo's response after this game. will it be excuses and promises of improving or roster moves via trade or signings. status quo is fool's gold.
All should be glad nobody of importance got hurt.  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:57 pm : link
But the OL doesn't look great at all. Don't we still have cap room to sign somebody?
Giants haven't scored a point in 7 quarters  
Blue21 : 8/20/2016 6:59 pm : link
They scored one TD and one FG in 2 games. Awful. That's starters second team and scrubs combined.
RE: Wow.....from 28 a miss?  
snumber6 : 8/20/2016 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13079320 Simms11 said:
Quote:
Now we need to also sign a veteran kicker for week 1.


WHy did Bob Timberlake flash before my eyes ...
RE: All should be glad nobody of importance got hurt.  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13079335 Jim in Hoboken said:
Quote:
But the OL doesn't look great at all. Don't we still have cap room to sign somebody?


We have plenty of cap room.
RE: All should be glad nobody of importance got hurt.  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13079335 Jim in Hoboken said:
Quote:
But the OL doesn't look great at all. Don't we still have cap room to sign somebody?


That's one thing we do have. Cap room.
Rainey has probably moved up the depth chart today....  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 7:01 pm : link
He was not so good last week, but has redeemed himself here today. Question, however is will the Giants keep more then 4 RBs? If so who goes? Maybe we can make a trade?
RE: Giants haven't scored a point in 7 quarters  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13079338 Blue21 said:
Quote:
They scored one TD and one FG in 2 games. Awful. That's starters second team and scrubs combined.


Does not matter how good your skills players are if the OL can't block.
How would you like to be Donnell in the film room...  
Crispino : 8/20/2016 7:01 pm : link
on Monday? He is going to be gutted.
RE: All should be glad nobody of importance got hurt.  
short lease : 8/20/2016 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13079335 Jim in Hoboken said:
Quote:
But the OL doesn't look great at all. Don't we still have cap room to sign somebody?


"All should be glad nobody of importance got hurt." ....

This is very true Jim.
RE: How would you like to be Donnell in the film room...  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13079345 Crispino said:
Quote:
on Monday? He is going to be gutted.


Hopefully he's traded by then :X
Hahahahahahahaha  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 7:03 pm : link
Hahahahahahahaha.
Thomas  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 7:03 pm : link
is picked. A fitting end. Absolute failure.
I do not think  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 7:03 pm : link
I am going out on a limb here but I think Dallas beats us rather handily. Don't care about the grief either.
Maybe Jimmy Clauson is better than any of our QBs...  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 7:04 pm : link
Hmmmmm.
Another turnover!  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 7:04 pm : link
We have like 10 times the amount of turnovers in pre-season then we have freakin TDs?!
Great Dane  
greek13 : 8/20/2016 7:05 pm : link
I'll look for them but there were quotes from Reece that circulated here in the spring that he was curious or wondering why anyone was surprised about not adding OL
Omg  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 7:05 pm : link
Guys breathe...it's preseason. Dallas will now beat us handily??? Lmao
RE: RE: How would you like to be Donnell in the film room...  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 7:06 pm : link
In comment 13079347 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 13079345 Crispino said:


Quote:


on Monday? He is going to be gutted.



Hopefully he's traded by then :X
You know what, I had a bit of hope that TE Donnell and a conditional draft pick could be sent to a team for a starting RT, some veteran who has good youngsters behind him and the team needs a starting TE.

Donnell's play today tells the league he isn't worth anything. Just terrible.
ok, nice  
Bill in UT : 8/20/2016 7:06 pm : link
tackle by Jones
Best play by an OL  
Jay in Toronto : 8/20/2016 7:06 pm : link
Jones running down field to make the tackle
RE: I do not think  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13079353 Kivorka said:
Quote:
I am going out on a limb here but I think Dallas beats us rather handily. Don't care about the grief either.


Yes, based on pre-season, so far you could definitely come to that conclusion, however, we'll also have our starters in the whole game and anything can happen on any given Sunday.

Let's put it this way.....expectations will certainly be pretty low until we show otherwise. I think the Giants thrive on that, but we'll see how this team responds.
RE: Omg  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13079357 BleedBlue said:
Quote:
Guys breathe...it's preseason. Dallas will now beat us handily??? Lmao
Yeah, today's effort doesn't really have much bearing on the Dallas game. Pre-season is limited.

I'm just happy that we suffered no major injuries.

Oh, and DT Greg Millhouse is looking good this 2nd half.
The FB Johnson  
NewBlue : 8/20/2016 7:08 pm : link
Who is dinged up will likely play a bigger role in this offense from a blocking standpoint, he excelled in Baltimore in that role
Relax  
shelovesnycsports : 8/20/2016 7:09 pm : link
We can steal one of the Eagles kickers.
Can't wait to watch the game replay  
short lease : 8/20/2016 7:10 pm : link

at 3:00am Monday morning and then go into work late .... and tired.



* Not really sure about the date or time of the replay?
And  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 7:11 pm : link
another pick. Why aren't we just taking a knee?
Another pick  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 7:11 pm : link
by the Great Logan Thomas.
What happened to the end of the Giants game?  
short lease : 8/20/2016 7:13 pm : link

I think they switched it to the Colts game before it ended? WTF?
I hope the HC is angry  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 7:13 pm : link
after this game.
Just got back after a 6 hr drive.  
section125 : 8/20/2016 7:14 pm : link
I see the oline sucked - saw comments on how bad Flowers was.
How did Hart do at LG? Didn't even know he ever practiced there. Maybe a reason (or part of the reason) that Flowers looked bad.

Anyway, a few comments that Hart looked ok. Didn't see any that he was bad.
RE: Another pick  
snumber6 : 8/20/2016 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13079370 Dave in Hoboken said:
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by the Great Logan Thomas.


Maybe he's our training camp QB to make our DBs feel confident ... Or maybe we even need to find a 3rd string QB to cut later during preseason ... Thomas may not even be good enough for that role ...
Terrible, terrible offensive game......  
Simms11 : 8/20/2016 7:16 pm : link
The offense can't get going without the Oline doing its job, but TEs are an issue too. Next week is the rehearsal for the regular season and the Starters should be playing well into the 2nd half. Lots more work next week and a big test against the JETS defense. If we can somehow show we can move the ball against them, then I'll start to feel a little more comfortable, but boy would I hate to be the players this week.
My game review:  
ChathamMark : 8/20/2016 7:17 pm : link
Ugh...
preseason  
shelovesnycsports : 8/20/2016 7:19 pm : link
blah
Even  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 7:20 pm : link
remembering that it was a preseason game, that was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from the Giants.
The 13 win team over two years  
Giants2012 : 8/20/2016 7:25 pm : link
has a long way to go.
lel  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 7:27 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 14s14 seconds ago
"We worked too hard to put a performance like that on film. We need to take a long look in the mirror." - Coach McAdoo
McAdoo  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/20/2016 7:30 pm : link
refused to answer Josh Brown questions
Is it too early to talk about how absolutely fucking horrendous  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/20/2016 7:31 pm : link
the officiating was? Jeff Tripplette makes how much for this shit, ed. #2,056)

- Beckham blatantly held on long 4th down pass (no call).
- JPP blatantly held on McCoy TD reception (no call).


The Beckham play cost them a chance at a long TD on the opening drive.
Oh, so it  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 7:33 pm : link
was the officiating? What a relief
Some  
AcidTest : 8/20/2016 7:35 pm : link
thoughts:

Donnell needs to go. We need the best blocker at TE, and that clearly isn't him.

I'd consider calling Beatty. He can still pass protect. Then maybe flip Flowers to RT. It won't happen, but not doing anything is unacceptable. I'd also get some new OL when the cuts start. Flowers, Hart, and Newhouse were all awful. Add in Donnell's whiffs, and we have no run game.

Nassau did nothing, but he's not going anywhere.

The first team D was solid.

Deayon is to short to play on the outside.

Okwara was excellent. Milhouse had a solid game.

Get a veteran kicker for game one.
PU!  
Carson53 : 8/20/2016 7:38 pm : link
New Era needs to be fumigated, can they get the stench out
before the weekend is over. Meet the new Giants, same as
the old Giants it appears.





So far  
Stan in LA : 8/20/2016 7:40 pm : link
This is not looking like a well coached team.

Uh-oh.
RE: McAdoo  
Carson53 : 8/20/2016 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13079427 Steve in South Jersey said:
Quote:
refused to answer Josh Brown questions
.

So did Johnny Mara, he'll just pay him instead!
After watching today's performance...  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 7:43 pm : link
Josh Brown is the least of this teams' problems. Time to get back to work...big time.
RE: McAdoo  
Devon : 8/20/2016 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13079427 Steve in South Jersey said:
Quote:
refused to answer Josh Brown questions


Of course he did.

The Giants had probably the strongest ties in the league to that No More DV/DA campaign, so for them to duck this the way McAdoo, Reese, etc are doing is pretty weak.
RE: I do not think  
Mark C : 8/20/2016 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13079353 Kivorka said:
Quote:
I am going out on a limb here but I think Dallas beats us rather handily. Don't care about the grief either.


Can we please bookmark and archive this post? I wish Kivorka had written it in all caps, that's the only way it could have been more idiotic.
Isn't it ironic  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 8:04 pm : link
how McAdoo errily sounds just like TC during his post game? Almost same excuses/ explanations
I'm havin...  
Phatbrew : 8/20/2016 8:04 pm : link
Ray Handley flashbacks, holy zhit!!! I loved the hire of Ben but Tom gets 10-11 wins w this rooster!!! Ahhhhhhhhh!!!
I do feel a little dumb  
santacruzom : 8/20/2016 8:07 pm : link
in thinking that the Giants have evolved from a bad team to a good one before there was any logical reason to do so.
Reminded me of the old days  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/20/2016 8:07 pm : link
when Dave Jennings would be the best player in a game. Brad Wing deserves the game MVP. That's always sad.
It's the second pre season game  
Bockman : 8/20/2016 8:13 pm : link
When will you idiots ever learn to stop over reacting?
You go right  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 8:13 pm : link
ahead and do that Mark. BBI is pretty good at that. There were actually some posters who understood that based on our last two games. They must be idiotic replies too. Thanks for the insight. We can talk on the 11th
RE: Oh, so it  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/20/2016 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13079432 Kivorka said:
Quote:
was the officiating? What a relief


So you're saying he wasn't grabbed from behind on the play with the ball in the air? Or you're saying it doesn't matter if they were denied a chance at a TD because he was grabbed from behind while the ball was in the air?
I'm saying  
Kivorka : 8/20/2016 8:24 pm : link
that officiating was the very least of our problems
An unemployed LT  
old man : 8/20/2016 8:32 pm : link
will soon be unemployed NFL(not for long).
I love Flowers, but he's a RT or RG.
And either our receivers were wearing ankle weights,their pregame meal was pasta, or Bills secondary is superfast.
But glad we got no known injuries.
Mc must have laryngitis by now.
Saw the game on recording  
micky : 8/20/2016 8:56 pm : link
it looks like that OL is leaving off where it always been..putrid

can run worth shit vs even most of reg first team DL. TE's can't run block worth a shit either.
Too many happy players on the Giants' sideline at the end of the game.  
TC : 8/20/2016 9:09 pm : link
There needs to be fewer.
Dwayne Harris  
old man : 8/20/2016 9:12 pm : link
Has a knee. Hopefully still intact.
RE: It's the second pre season game  
TC : 8/20/2016 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13079502 Bockman said:
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When will you idiots ever learn to stop over reacting?

When they don't look worse in their 2nd game, when they looked like crap in their first.
Preseason or not  
micky : 8/20/2016 9:20 pm : link
When you can't do basic run blocking, and esp the history of this ol past several seasons, theres legit concerns. Its an eye opener. No excuses imo for basic run blocking and no able to do it
Prediction  
Percy : 8/20/2016 9:20 pm : link
We get an even higher draft pick next year.
RE: So far  
Rick5 : 8/20/2016 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13079441 Stan in LA said:
Quote:
This is not looking like a well coached team.

Uh-oh.

It's way too early to predict how it will play out, but there was always a risk in going with a rookie HC for Eli's last few years.
RE: Reminded me of the old days  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13079488 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
Quote:
when Dave Jennings would be the best player in a game. Brad Wing deserves the game MVP. That's always sad.
Assuming that K Josh Brown has no "issues" and gets on track game 2, we should be fine on special teams. Obarski's miss was damning and kept us with a donut for the game.
They looked horrible today. Question  
32_Razor : 8/20/2016 9:47 pm : link
Will Odell be smiling like that when the team is losing in regular season? The OL is Putrid and it won't matter who the receivers are if the OL can't block.

Eli also did not look good. Overall bad effort by the offense
also, Giants should cut brown,  
32_Razor : 8/20/2016 9:48 pm : link
why sacrifice a player on roster because he got suspended
Jerry Reese  
PaulN : 8/20/2016 9:49 pm : link
How is the continuity thing working now, maybe, just fucking maybe, you need talented offensive linemen to play together for them to improve, this is only getting worse, and if anyone thinks it may get better, think again, the NFL will expose a weakness like no other league, thy better have a fucking plan.
Andre williams is taking up space on this roster  
32_Razor : 8/20/2016 9:50 pm : link
he has to go. Too many fumbles
RE: Jerry Reese  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13079638 PaulN said:
Quote:
How is the continuity thing working now, maybe, just fucking maybe, you need talented offensive linemen to play together for them to improve, this is only getting worse, and if anyone thinks it may get better, think again, the NFL will expose a weakness like no other league, thy better have a fucking plan.
I think Reese tried this off-season to improve the OL but options were limited. Broncos LT Clady could have been had for a 5th round draft pick but alas we didn't get him, the Jets did.

Also, you would have had to believe that with coach Solari being added, continuity, a young guy like LT Erek Flowers would improve. He just hasn't.

But I do believe Pugh, Richburg and Jerry will be improved inside and TE Tye will be the starter now for sure along with FB Johnson playing a lot and blocking.

I just hope with two more games we get "in sync" and Flowers improves his technique. They say a players biggest improvement is from year #1 to #2. You can see that guys like DE OWA, SS Collins, RG Hart, have improved over last year. Lets hope Flowers is solid vs Jets.
Hart has improved?  
XBRONX : 8/20/2016 10:16 pm : link
Wow must have watched another game. He stunk.
Hopefully Giants can find a useful  
32_Razor : 8/20/2016 10:21 pm : link
Ham'N'Egger veteran on the Waiver wire to play LT or RT. Otherwise, this is looking like a long season
Nobody on this team deserves to be cut or demoted before Donnell does  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/21/2016 12:07 am : link
He should have to pay for his own ticket home. He just stole a check for a day's work.
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