who was a steal because he could have been a first rounder shows me nothing. Don't like his QB IQ. Hate his throwing motion. No pocket presence. Looks like this is his first he ever played . He throws one pass the short seam. If you cut him my guess is that no one will pick him up. He is lower then a JAG
Oline starters and depth have not been good. I see the other teams around the league and they seem to be capable of moving the ball, even with their back up Oline. What seems to be the biggest issue? Is it talent? Scheme? This has been an ongoing issue for a number of years now. It appears that Flaherty wasn't the issue, as the issues remain the same. I think the Oline is perhaps worse!
know I might get pummeled for saying this, but should we look at Beatty?
Honestly? It couldn't hurt. Flowers is not a LT. I'm sorry, but that was the case both in college and in the pros. He's not a LT.
I think last year he might have gotten some free passes because he was a starting LT as a rookie. I mean, he had some moments that could have lead you to think - he may pull this out with work and experience? And, I am not sure that his career at LT is over.
But, so what if they move him to RT? and, he becomes great RT? I am sure everyone would welcome a great RT over an average LT?
Regardless .... More OL help in the immediate future - no matter where they go?
and the O-line needs needed and still needs help
Flowers is starting to worry me we should have spent
The $ on Penn and slid Mr Mean Face over to RT ..
What Ya gonna Do Jerry ......
Is the problem really Nassib or a line that can't block? Eli looked terrible too. It's only pre-season so I'm not about to get fired up but the O-line needs work.
it's not about wins, it's about production and how the practices translate to production on the field. I'm just looking for OVERALL improvement not just the first string defensive line
But I've watched football long enough to know you're never as bad as you look on days like this. Funny, we looked like we were going 12-4 until we had to start playing other teams
Obviously the OLine is a mess ... but Eli knows how to handle a mess of a OLine ... Just remember his first year where Warner was sacked 39 times to Eli's 13 ...
We are showing NOTHING of our offense in preseason ...
I'm sure it will be much better ...
Is the problem really Nassib or a line that can't block? Eli looked terrible too. It's only pre-season so I'm not about to get fired up but the O-line needs work.
with this OL and Eli we will go 8-8. If Eli got hurt with nassib we would not win a game.
What have they been doing in practice? This is a total disgrace, as Papa is saying you can't evaluate RB's, WR's when you have this type of line play....starters and back-ups.
Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
Flowers doesn't look like a LT to me. I think he'd do much better as a RT. I'm just stunned over how many "mistakes" he continues to make with his sets, footwork, angles. Just not good....
I don't know how in the hell you make roster decisions at the skill positions with this O line and QB play! Pre-season or not, this is horrendous. Some of these guys are standing around or just going through the motions long before the whistle blows. Solari needs to start kicking some ass!
Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
Flowers doesn't look like a LT to me. I think he'd do much better as a RT. I'm just stunned over how many "mistakes" he continues to make with his sets, footwork, angles. Just not good....
That's why I was so averse to taking him. I saw Flowers as strictly a RT. I didn't think and still don't think he has a future at LT. I saw him as only a RT in the mold of Jah Reid. I thought Gurley II had the potential to be another AP.
Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.
Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
In comment 13079241 NewBlue said:
[quote] And unfortunately as starters not back-ups...................TE, OL, back up QB
this will be the true test for reese and McAdoo to make adjustments in both the roster and coaching/play calling. if things stay basicly the same, we will again hear Mara at years end give his performance of frustration that he wont tolerate this again.
Giants have to get a few new OL, and shuffle some existing players around. At this point, it might be better to play Pugh at LT, although that will not happen.
Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.
Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
AND QB NASSIB sucks. I mean he really can't throw to the outside? I'm watching and not believing. Pathetic.
I would say the entire OL today. Wasn't that impress with Richburg today either. Not much of push up the middle for Jennings when he was in there.
Would very interesting if McAdoo does not adjust his practices. Seems like he had very few hard practices and a lot of walkthroughs stuff for these guys.
Giants starting OL is "average" (serviceable).
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.
Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
And much of that was on one play to Beckham.
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know I might get pummeled for saying this, but should we look at Beatty?
Honestly? It couldn't hurt. Flowers is not a LT. I'm sorry, but that was the case both in college and in the pros. He's not a LT.
I think last year he might have gotten some free passes because he was a starting LT as a rookie. I mean, he had some moments that could have lead you to think - he may pull this out with work and experience? And, I am not sure that his career at LT is over.
But, so what if they move him to RT? and, he becomes great RT? I am sure everyone would welcome a great RT over an average LT?
Regardless .... More OL help in the immediate future - no matter where they go?
Flowers is starting to worry me we should have spent
The $ on Penn and slid Mr Mean Face over to RT ..
What Ya gonna Do Jerry ......
Obviously the OLine is a mess ... but Eli knows how to handle a mess of a OLine ... Just remember his first year where Warner was sacked 39 times to Eli's 13 ...
We are showing NOTHING of our offense in preseason ...
I'm sure it will be much better ...
So is the starting OL.
with this OL and Eli we will go 8-8. If Eli got hurt with nassib we would not win a game.
Total shit show even for a pre-season game.
There isn't a single positive thing to be said about our offense today. So.... nowhere to go but up!
Not even 18 inches of day light ... they can provide?
Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
Who? Who had 57 yards?
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behind this OL.
Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
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In comment 13079225 dune69 said:
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behind this OL.
Gurley II would've made something out of nothing at the very least. I wanted him badly over Flowers.
Flowers doesn't look like a LT to me. I think he'd do much better as a RT. I'm just stunned over how many "mistakes" he continues to make with his sets, footwork, angles. Just not good....
That's why I was so averse to taking him. I saw Flowers as strictly a RT. I didn't think and still don't think he has a future at LT. I saw him as only a RT in the mold of Jah Reid. I thought Gurley II had the potential to be another AP.
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.
Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
Pugh is fine at LG, Richburg is great at OC, I'd like to see Flowers at RT.
After that, it's a whole bunch of shit...and the fact that we didn't draft or sign (undrafted) a single O-Lineman is amazing.
[quote] And unfortunately as starters not back-ups...................TE, OL, back up QB
this will be the true test for reese and McAdoo to make adjustments in both the roster and coaching/play calling. if things stay basicly the same, we will again hear Mara at years end give his performance of frustration that he wont tolerate this again.
I know we really haven't opened up the play book but would it even matter?
Call me crazy...but if I'm Reese I swallow my pride,design Beatty and get him working back at LT.
Again,call me crazy. Move Flowers to RT like we should have done from the start of the offseason.
10 penalties committed by the Giants?
Good thing we got rid of the HC and his no descipline, lazy, "players coach" approach.
Boo hoo hoo ... sniff sniff
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.
Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
I would say the entire OL today. Wasn't that impress with Richburg today either. Not much of push up the middle for Jennings when he was in there.
Would very interesting if McAdoo does not adjust his practices. Seems like he had very few hard practices and a lot of walkthroughs stuff for these guys.
Giants backup OL is "below average" (hard to watch really....)
TE Larry Donnell can't block. He is a liability and teams will attack him when he is in there.
Giants DL, starting, is top notch.
Giants starting defense will have a GREAT year if they stay healthy.
Giants special team should be solid once again.
That's what you got from TODAY?