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Donnell, Tye, Newhouse, Flowers

dep026 : 8/20/2016 5:41 pm
oh boy. What in the world are we going to do since they guys are entrenched as starters...

Lots of questions left in camp with possibly no answers.
Not  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
making a move for Clady is going to be very costly.
All of those guys look  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 5:47 pm : link
like they are on another planet..
What I don't get is that Flowers being moved is seen as blasphemous  
Mason : 8/20/2016 5:48 pm : link
yet every other person on the OL has played at another position. Hell Hart has never played LG before this week and he is in there today trying to make blocks.

The Flowers thing is strange.
Donnell blocking issue is another matter all together  
Mason : 8/20/2016 5:52 pm : link
He's just not losing the battle. He can't seem to touch a man that is directly in front of him. That's something best left for those specialist aboard.

I'm no physician but it seems like some depth perception issues. I hope he doesn't drive because he seems to have reflex issues as well.
Neither Donnell nor Tye is entrenched as the starter  
81_Great_Dane : 8/20/2016 5:53 pm : link
but both will probably make the team, and one is likely to start. Probably whichever one proves a more competent blocker starts. If Matt LaCosse and Jerrell Adams prove more competent blockers than Donnell, he could lose his job.
RE: Neither Donnell nor Tye is entrenched as the starter  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13079122 81_Great_Dane said:
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but both will probably make the team, and one is likely to start. Probably whichever one proves a more competent blocker starts. If Matt LaCosse and Jerrell Adams prove more competent blockers than Donnell, he could lose his job.


Neither LaCosse or Adams are jumping both Tye and Donnell in three weeks.

Get real.
I was so pissed when we took Flowers over Gurley II a couple of years  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 5:58 pm : link
back. Flowers is strictly a RT. He doesn't have the feet nor the technique to play LT.


Whatever, I'm just venting here, but I'm extremely concerned with the blocking.


And please, Ben, PLEASE, try Jerell Adams with the first team. Give the guy a shot.
If Adams  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 5:59 pm : link
deserved to play with the first team he would be.

All reports out of camp are that he's very raw.
Conklin would have really filled a need  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
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I realize that, Jon  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
I disagree that he's at raw as people say he is. I think he can contribute right away and I'm almost certain he's the best blocker of our TE corps (not that that's saying much).
RE: I realize that, Jon  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13079139 Anakim said:
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I disagree that he's at raw as people say he is. I think he can contribute right away and I'm almost certain he's the best blocker of our TE corps (not that that's saying much).


You -- someone who has not been at every practice -- are disagreeing with multiple people who have been at every practice. That seems a tad foolish.
RE: RE: I realize that, Jon  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13079147 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13079139 Anakim said:


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I disagree that he's at raw as people say he is. I think he can contribute right away and I'm almost certain he's the best blocker of our TE corps (not that that's saying much).



You -- someone who has not been at every practice -- are disagreeing with multiple people who have been at every practice. That seems a tad foolish.


No. I, who watched a lot of SEC football, believes that Adams is not as raw as pundits say he is, especially as a blocker.
Who  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 6:07 pm : link
gives a shit what he did in college? He competes with NFL athletes every day and apparently he isn't good enough right now.

Again, if he was crushing shit in practice, he would be running with the 1s. He isn't.
RE: Who  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13079162 Jon in NYC said:
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gives a shit what he did in college? He competes with NFL athletes every day and apparently he isn't good enough right now.

Again, if he was crushing shit in practice, he would be running with the 1s. He isn't.


Apparently being the key word. We don't know what the situation is. All I know is that Adams is not getting a fair look...or any look really and he should be, especially when you consider how subpar Donnell's blocking is.
No, you or  
Jon in NYC : 8/20/2016 6:12 pm : link
I don't know what the situation is. That's what you aren't understanding for some reason.

The people who watch practice every single day see that he isn't ready.
And Donnell is? Have you seen the man play? He couldn't block me.  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:14 pm : link
Watch him when he's in and tell me if he looks worse than Donnell or Tye, albeit against second or third stringers.
No one deserves to be bunched with Larry Donnell.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/20/2016 6:17 pm : link
He's gonna get someone hurt with that horseshit he pulled in this game.

He needs to get fucking cut.
Donnell needs to go  
xman : 8/20/2016 6:22 pm : link
if he's not fumbling he is tumbling. I want no part of Thumbelina or is it tumblina
Hart  
PaulN : 8/20/2016 6:23 pm : link
Enough already, he STINKS too, and worse then Newhouse and Flowers, and that is bad because these two players are horrible.
Reese has neglected the TE position  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:23 pm : link
This is the result.
Agree with Anakim  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 6:33 pm : link
Put Adams in there. Every other damn TE has whiffed all their blocks. Adams' profile suggests he can block. It's time to give him a shot.
Adams just made a better block on a running play than  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/20/2016 6:36 pm : link
Donnell has made in his entire career.
...  
ColHowPepper : 8/20/2016 6:36 pm : link
well, at least I have my answer to the question from an earlier thread
I don't know how Donnell can still be so bad.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2016 6:40 pm : link
Not like he's a newbie at this point..
.  
Danny Kanell : 8/20/2016 6:44 pm : link
This isn't new. Larry Donnell is and has always been a bad NFL TE. He's a losing player. Always has been.
I'm actually pissed off at  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 6:49 pm : link
Donnell. Complete blocking wiff on at least 3 plays! WTH???
I asked in another thread- got no response: Why is it so damn hard to teach a tight end to block? Just decently. Why???
There you go. Adams praised for his blocking and the "scouting report"  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 6:52 pm : link
said he's a better blocker than receiver, but I assure you, he's no slouch as a receiver.
RE: There you go. Adams praised for his blocking and the  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2016 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13079307 Anakim said:
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said he's a better blocker than receiver, but I assure you, he's no slouch as a receiver.

Yep. He did get a receiving shot last week if I remember right. Short gain though (7 yards). They need to move him up and give him a shot next week. Technically, he's the only one to show anything in pre-season so far.
RE: There you go. Adams praised for his blocking and the  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13079307 Anakim said:
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said he's a better blocker than receiver, but I assure you, he's no slouch as a receiver.


Maybe Big Ben is saving Adams as our secret weapon. A Giants TE that can block...woooh!
On second thought Anakim  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 7:14 pm : link
Why not have Adams play right tackle?
RE: On second thought Anakim  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13079381 mrvax said:
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Why not have Adams play right tackle?


You mean LT :P Flowers should be our RT :P
That would  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 7:17 pm : link
work too.
-donnell just isn't a good football player  
rdt288 : 8/20/2016 7:20 pm : link
-not saying he isn't smart but at this point in career he can't get beat across his face over and over again

Play the kid. See what he has
Why is Tye lumped in here?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2016 7:22 pm : link
To me that is all on Nassib. Nassib is the QB and needs to read the defense pre-snap. Nassib should have read that and hit Tye right away. Other than Banks calling Tye out when he has no idea if Tye should have chipped the guy or not what else did Tye do to be lumped in with this group? Donnell was fuckinh pathetic. That is basic football about having your weight over your feet. A toddler could juke him.
Citing the receiving stats for Donnell and Tye is like doing it for  
Bill in UT : 8/20/2016 7:33 pm : link
Randle. It just obfuscates the damage they do with the rest of their game
Donnell is a pussy  
SHO'NUFF : 8/20/2016 7:33 pm : link
been saying it for years now.
Tye would be a fine 2nd or 3rd TE for a team have.  
Devon : 8/20/2016 7:36 pm : link
The problem is he's our best TE.

$18M in cap space left and we yet again have a case for the worst TE unit in the NFL and huge holes on the OL. By the time this rebuilding process is done, it feels like it's going to be starting all over again.
RE: I don't know how Donnell can still be so bad.  
TC : 8/20/2016 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13079263 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Not like he's a newbie at this point..

Wasn't Donnell a big, athletic QB in school who wasn't good enough to play QB in the pro's?

Well guess what, he's not good enough to play TE either!
Donnell needs to go  
BillT : 8/20/2016 9:12 pm : link
The guy does nothing a TE is suppose to do. He's nothing but a tall WR and doesn't even block as well as most of the WR do. No blocking, no ST, no YAC, ball security issues. So done with him.
RE: There you go. Adams praised for his blocking and the  
barens : 8/20/2016 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13079307 Anakim said:
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said he's a better blocker than receiver, but I assure you, he's no slouch as a receiver.


Apparently, you missed a few plays where both Adams and Lacosse whiffed on their blocks as well. Banks just happened to point out one play where Adams made a good block against buffalo's backups.
RE: RE: There you go. Adams praised for his blocking and the  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13079704 barens said:
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In comment 13079307 Anakim said:


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said he's a better blocker than receiver, but I assure you, he's no slouch as a receiver.



Apparently, you missed a few plays where both Adams and Lacosse whiffed on their blocks as well. Banks just happened to point out one play where Adams made a good block against buffalo's backups.


Apparently I did, because I thought he blocked well and I keyed in on Adams. He wasn't spectacular, but I didn't see any whiffs especially none as egregious as the Donnell/Tye ones.
The same drive, or the previous drive when Banks was praising him,  
barens : 8/20/2016 10:57 pm : link
The Giants were in their own territory with Adams and Lacosse both in the backfield, and Adams missed his block, resulting in a tfl.
RE: The same drive, or the previous drive when Banks was praising him,  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 11:04 pm : link
In comment 13079711 barens said:
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The Giants were in their own territory with Adams and Lacosse both in the backfield, and Adams missed his block, resulting in a tfl.


I honestly don't remember it. deleted the game from my DVR so I'll have to watch for it next time it's on.
Only problem cutting Donnell is  
DennyInDenville : 8/20/2016 11:07 pm : link
He's by far our biggest and best redzone target outside obj
RE: Only problem cutting Donnell is  
Danny Kanell : 8/20/2016 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13079719 DennyInDenville said:
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He's by far our biggest and best redzone target outside obj


He had 2 TDs last year and 6 the year before. BFD.

I'd rather just have Tye start. Lesser of 2 evils. He can't block either but at least he doesn't fumble after he catches the ball.

Cutting Donnell would be addition by subtraction.
DK  
DennyInDenville : 8/20/2016 11:17 pm : link
I agree, I just worry about our redzone targets.

Donnell is the worst blocker I've ever seen, I agree it's time to let him go.

I totally prefer Tye as well, with Adams and another blocker behind.
I can live with that  
Anakim : 8/20/2016 11:30 pm : link
Tye as TE #1, Adams as TE #2/blocking TE and LaCosse as TE #3. Johnson can be the FB.
Today was inexcusable for Donnell.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/21/2016 12:09 am : link
Just garbage football, garbage effort.
RE: What I don't get is that Flowers being moved is seen as blasphemous  
widmerseyebrow : 8/21/2016 1:02 am : link
In comment 13079117 Mason said:
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yet every other person on the OL has played at another position. Hell Hart has never played LG before this week and he is in there today trying to make blocks.

The Flowers thing is strange.


Politics at play. Lots of pressure for Flowers to be the blue goose Reese says he is because they passed on multiple vets that can definitely play the position.
RE: Conklin would have really filled a need  
chopperhatch : 8/21/2016 2:03 am : link
In comment 13079136 jeff57 said:
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Conklin woulda really... Oh wait, he was taken before we picked you dumb shit.
RE: RE: What I don't get is that Flowers being moved is seen as blasphemous  
The_Boss : 8/21/2016 7:17 am : link
In comment 13079786 widmerseyebrow said:
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yet every other person on the OL has played at another position. Hell Hart has never played LG before this week and he is in there today trying to make blocks.

The Flowers thing is strange.



Politics at play. Lots of pressure for Flowers to be the blue goose Reese says he is because they passed on multiple vets that can definitely play the position.


Don't forget the guy they passed on who went the very next pick to St. Louis who went on to become Rookie of the Year and went to the Pro Bowl. Does anyone think Flowers will ever get to a Pro Bowl at this juncture?
RE: Only problem cutting Donnell is  
Klaatu : 8/21/2016 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13079719 DennyInDenville said:
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He's by far our biggest and best redzone target outside obj


Unfortunately, you have to get to the red zone first before you can look for red zone targets, and Donnell sure isn't helping in that regard.
RE: RE: Conklin would have really filled a need  
jeff57 : 8/21/2016 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13079795 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13079136 jeff57 said:


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Conklin woulda really... Oh wait, he was taken before we picked you dumb shit.


You don't say? Gee I never knew that. How is that incompatible with I wrote? Back to school for you.
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