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Rong5611 : 8/20/2016 6:33 pm
Anyone else unimpressed? He's looking like a bust in the making. Thoughts?
Bbi  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 6:34 pm : link
Is unbearable relax. It's two preseason games...he had an okay last year and i still believe he is tough n gonna be a solid player for many years
Everyone has thoughts.  
GiantGolfer : 8/20/2016 6:35 pm : link
Use the game thread.
Please,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/20/2016 6:36 pm : link
make it stop! Yeah, right...
Not impressed with this thread  
Canton : 8/20/2016 6:38 pm : link
Should be a RT  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:46 pm : link
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Cyrus Kouandjio  
Bill in TN : 8/20/2016 6:48 pm : link
looks like an All-Pro compared to Flowers.
RE: Cyrus Kouandjio  
jeff57 : 8/20/2016 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13079296 Bill in TN said:
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looks like an All-Pro compared to Flowers.

Ouch
I know  
Rong5611 : 8/20/2016 6:50 pm : link
I know it's preseason, I get it. It's just that he was drafted so high, he should be more polished. We'll see, plenty of time for him to develop.
been thinking this since last year  
Netrix48lawz : 8/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
Flowers should be moved to right guard. Next years draft Giants should spend 1st two picks on a Left & right tackle.
RE: I know  
Milton : 8/20/2016 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13079301 Rong5611 said:
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I know it's preseason, I get it. It's just that he was drafted so high, he should be more polished. We'll see, plenty of time for him to develop.
I don't know, three weeks is hardly plenty of time.
Todd Gurley  
est1986 : 8/20/2016 7:07 pm : link
Is all I have to say.
No I'll say more  
est1986 : 8/20/2016 7:11 pm : link
Todd Gurley last year and maybe our O-line sucks enough last season that we lose one more game to land Floyd this year at LB. Then we send the pick we drafted Perkins with to Denver for Clady, they got a later fifth from the Jets. We could have had Gurley, Floyd and Clady instead of Flowers Apple and Perkins. Of course it unfair to do it now but hopefully Flowers turns it on, the tools are there no doubt. And hopefully Eli Apple shows more promise than Flowers has early on.
Floyd  
BleedBlue : 8/20/2016 7:14 pm : link
Enough about Floyd...apple looks promising who knows what we got in Perkins. Clady is always hurt and is getting up there in age.
Flowers at guard  
Rolyrock : 8/20/2016 7:28 pm : link
I think he would play better at guard, and may be great there one day. At least he could development there until "ready" for LT. I know, we didn't draft him first round to develop/project.
Pugh is the best LT on this team  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2016 7:30 pm : link
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RE: Pugh is the best LT on this team  
Milton : 8/20/2016 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13079428 robbieballs2003 said:
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Agree, but he's a better OLG than OLT, so you're improving one position at the expense of another. He has Pro Bowl potential at left guard, at left tackle he is merely efficient.
Flowers has the looks of a guy  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 7:44 pm : link
Who will not be here for his 2nd contract. He's had elite level coaching going back to college and still struggles with technique. I anticipate that continuing throughout the duration of his rookie deal, frustrating the NYG to the point they first move him to RT, then to the bench, and finally decide to part ways at the end of his contract.
From Boylhart....  
Milton : 8/20/2016 7:52 pm : link
He loves his physical gifts, but nothing more...
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There is something that some players coming out in the draft never get and it is the main reason why players with the physical talent don’t succeed at the NFL level. The NFL is a 24/7, 365 job if you want to be successful. If you’re not working with your teammates and coaches on plays, techniques, timing, etc, then you have to work on your body. You might be able to take a month off after the season, but after that, you better get back to working 24/7 or you will be left behind and your body will not do what your mind thinks it can do. I don’t believe Ereck has that work ethic with what I see in his play on the field. He hasn’t worked on his body and that alone is his biggest problem. His techniques are poor and while he has those quick feet that get him into the correct position to block, he has no technique to follow through and finish. He gets tired and when he gets tired, he gets mad and commits a bunch of penalties. His favorite pass blocking techniques when he gets tired is to take both his hands and clamp down on the outside shoulders of his opponent and hold him so that a pass rush move cannot be used against him. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s called holding at the NFL level....Maybe Ereck, with a little help from a cattle prod, will become better than I have suggested but right now, I think there are other offensive linemen who will be better and I would let some other team “coach him up” first!

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I am not even mad at Flowers  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2016 7:52 pm : link
Giants management never even brought in competition. They just put him on a pedestal when they drafted him. What happened to the whole competition and earning a spot mentality?
Flowers?  
Bill in UT : 8/20/2016 7:57 pm : link
I'd prefer chocolates
Flowers certainly isn't  
Bill in TN : 8/20/2016 8:08 pm : link
the talent Gurley is, but can you imagine Gurley running behind our OL without Flowers?
Not to pile on but  
mrvax : 8/20/2016 8:18 pm : link
From articles I've seen (none very recent), Flowers acts like he knows it all. He doesn't seem willing to take veteran players advice very well.

If that pre-draft report is correct, what we have now with Flowers is about all we'll ever see. Sad. He needs an attitude adjustment.
Russell Okung  
est1986 : 8/20/2016 8:31 pm : link
One year deal, 4 year team option. Clady was for a 5th rounder and is paid what per year? We could have got a guy this offseason and Gurley last year. Apple hopefully will show more early on than Flowers is showing. I remember watching Gurley pre-injury at Georgia and wondering how many games do we have to lose to get a guy like that.
Imminent  
est1986 : 8/20/2016 8:34 pm : link

This O-Line is a disgrace.
RE: Flowers has the looks of a guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/20/2016 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13079450 The_Boss said:
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Who will not be here for his 2nd contract. He's had elite level coaching going back to college and still struggles with technique. I anticipate that continuing throughout the duration of his rookie deal, frustrating the NYG to the point they first move him to RT, then to the bench, and finally decide to part ways at the end of his contract.


Calling the coaching at Miami elite is well inaccurate.
who cares about technique and feet at LT  
chris r : 8/20/2016 8:38 pm : link
when you can have strength and meanness. Remember David Diehl?!
RE: Russell Okung  
SGMen : 8/20/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13079530 est1986 said:
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One year deal, 4 year team option. Clady was for a 5th rounder and is paid what per year? We could have got a guy this offseason and Gurley last year. Apple hopefully will show more early on than Flowers is showing. I remember watching Gurley pre-injury at Georgia and wondering how many games do we have to lose to get a guy like that.
Many wanted Gurley but he was coming off an ACL. You worry about his wheels holding up.

Flowers will get better. Remember he is all of what 22 years of age? But that doesn't mean he's a true LT. I still think had Beatty not been hurt last year and had played well we'd have had Flowers at RT where he belongs even this year.

Finally, I was not happy we missed out on Clady. You take a shot with a 5th round pick and hope he stays healthy cause if he does you are set. If he doesn't, well, football is a tough sport. Jets did well here, looks good for them so far.
RE: RE: Flowers has the looks of a guy  
The_Boss : 8/20/2016 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13079544 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13079450 The_Boss said:


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Who will not be here for his 2nd contract. He's had elite level coaching going back to college and still struggles with technique. I anticipate that continuing throughout the duration of his rookie deal, frustrating the NYG to the point they first move him to RT, then to the bench, and finally decide to part ways at the end of his contract.



Calling the coaching at Miami elite is well inaccurate.


His OL coach was certainly highly regarded.
Some guys on this board are a joke  
geelabee : 8/20/2016 9:01 pm : link
Do you remember the play from Pugh in 2014, who actually had a down year from his rookie season? Just like people on this board are doing now, they were ready to call Pugh a bust.

The difference with Flower is 22 years he is actually 2 years younger then Pugh in 2014, when guys on this board were screaming bust. Relax we are dealing with a baby here, Flowers like Pugh should be given more time. Worst case scenario we move him to RT in a year if he still continues to struggles in a year.

I think this is probable a function of the "cream puff" camps that NFL teams are having and it may take Flowers a couple games to round into shape. In addition, the Giants need more bodies on the OL. The should place a call to Will Beaty and might consider reaching out to SF to try to get their hands on Anthony Davis via a trade.
Pugh was a revelation as a rookie  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/20/2016 9:39 pm : link
He was far better then than Flowers has shown to be to this point. The situations are not similar. All we know about flowers so far is he's big and strong and may have an issue being coached.
RE: Some guys on this board are a joke  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2016 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13079587 geelabee said:
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Do you remember the play from Pugh in 2014, who actually had a down year from his rookie season? Just like people on this board are doing now, they were ready to call Pugh a bust.

The difference with Flower is 22 years he is actually 2 years younger then Pugh in 2014, when guys on this board were screaming bust. Relax we are dealing with a baby here, Flowers like Pugh should be given more time. Worst case scenario we move him to RT in a year if he still continues to struggles in a year.

I think this is probable a function of the "cream puff" camps that NFL teams are having and it may take Flowers a couple games to round into shape. In addition, the Giants need more bodies on the OL. The should place a call to Will Beaty and might consider reaching out to SF to try to get their hands on Anthony Davis via a trade.


You are making stuff up to fit your argument. Pugh played well as a rookie and played through injuries his second year. However, he was nowhere near as bad as Flowers was last year and Flowers has not shown anything so far that gives anybody confidence moving forward. Don't take that as anybody calling Flowers a bust. That is just people being realistic. Nobody is hoping the kids fails. We all just want the best product on the field and Flowers has not shown he can handle the LT position nor has management ever made him earn it by bringing in competition.
Flowers  
RetroJint : 8/20/2016 9:54 pm : link
play was terrifying today. It was the worst development to take from the game.
Flowers got beat consistently today.  
32_Razor : 8/20/2016 9:55 pm : link
The worse thing about it is flowers was beaten by 2nd string DL player on the bills. Horrible job
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