Just re-watched until the 1st team came out:
- We'd be feeling better about the giants o-line today if the TEs had managed to block anyone. The giants had a few outside runs blocked up nicely except for the TE assignment. On one, Tye failed to recognize a LB coming underneath and switch assignments with Newhouse. On a few others, Donnell just completely whiffed. Donnell looked like a rookie out there.
- I don't think Flowers is the disaster many here do. He just really needs to work on technique. His punch and pass set are never synced and he keeps his hands wayyy too wide. Parts of his technique look good, just never at the same time. He also looks tentative at times -- which i attribute to not trusting his technique and maybe not having Pugh next to him yesterday. He can still win matchups on strength and physicality alone -- if his technique can catch up, i do believe he can be a really good player for us.
- Damon Harrison is an animal. People hear a DT is good against the run and think he's just an immovable object. But he was really nimble and extremely active moving within the tackle box and making plays happen.
- If you noticed the LBs making some plays (incl. Collins when he was near the LOS) i attribute that a lot to the revamped DL. We have some guys who can run and hit, and as long as the DL can keep opposing OLs from getting cleanly to the next level, the LB unit should not be the deficiency it's been for years.
- Not putting too much stock into bad performance of offense as a whole yesterday. Seemed pretty conservative (had a good screen for Vereen set up on 3rd and long but Eli did a quick dump off to Tye) and at least the starters didn't turn it over. I'd say look to the 3rd preseason game for some indicator of where we're at, but the offense has looked dismal all 3 preseasons under Mcadoo but we know it's capable of performing.
They are evaluating and trying new stuff and have a new OL coach reteaching mechanics and techniques. It should improve quite a bit from what we saw today.
- TE blocking is awful. Donnell really has to be considered a potential cut because he is simply an awful blocker.
- Williams continues to turn his back into the LOS or a would be tackler. This problem is not going away unless he does.
- LBs continue to be exposed in pass coverage to TEs and RBs
- Nassib is really struggling...almost train-wreck like.
Also there were some sloppy miscues/untimely penalties - a couple of times Donnell and Newhouse seemed to let a player slip between them -- I'm not sure that was a Newhouse problem. Flowers and Richburg may have been uncomfortable a little because Pugh wasn't in between them - and Hart hasn't played a lot of Left Guard.
it occurred to me that this was also the first preseason travel game -- so the vanilla game combined with a new routine, a hot evening, Pugh being out, and Eli's first outing may have had everyone a little "off-kilter"
Here's some other notes:
Tavares King is looking very "Cruz-like" on the field. He has a lot of good first steps/moves out there and great release off the line, and he seems to be making plays.
Owa is looking really strong in pre-season and that bodes well for the Giants.
Collins looks a lot beefier to me and still very energetic and very disruptive.
Darius Thompson might have had a sure interception up the center but DRC leaped in and took it away from him.
Thompson and Collins are looking like a good pair of Safeties.
OV - getting sacks -- and Harrison Snacking on the ball -- me likey
I wouldn't get too down about this game - it's way to early to panic --
the problem on the offensive line is a depth issue - it's not with the starters in my opinion
There is concern with the TE's blocking - but Williams might be the cure for that one
the other thing I want to note is that the other Williams is still not demonstrating good hands and that is a concern I picked up when I was with Marty at practice -- he did look good pounding into the line last night - so it's not all bad
Nassib also did not improve from the first to the second outing - that may be a cause for concern
I wouldn't mind Adams getting a look.
Donnell looked like garbage, the Giants really need to find a blocking tight end or hope Hart can be that 6th lineman that comes in and blocks..
Yeah, Miami is really bursting with NFL talent these days. Just unbelievable that a kid with raw strength and talent would need to work on his technique to make it to the NFL after playing for such a prestigious football school. This literally never happens.
Donnell's blocking may have been the worst I have ever seen from a pro TE. Couple that with the fear that every time he is tackled after a catch,we cringe hoping he won't fumble is a good reason to give Tye & the 3 kids extended work on Saturday! And if they do well, try to move him for a draft pick (Lots of teams looking for a TE) or at worst,cut him!
Oh and I think the defense is going to be a LOT better than people think
Donnell looked like garbage, the Giants really need to find a blocking tight end or hope Hart can be that 6th lineman that comes in and blocks..
Ummm...Will Johnson
They are evaluating and trying new stuff and have a new OL coach reteaching mechanics and techniques. It should improve quite a bit from what we saw today.
Coach, you must know that mechanics and techniques are universal, right? You are coach, it seems from your handle. So am I. I've been a damn good one for years. What separates coaches is the ability to instill those techniques. Solari was hired in January. He has had plenty of time. It goes back to the coaching axiom that I'm sure you adhere to, Coach: you cannot make chicken salad from chicken shit. Corollary: a poor coach with excellent talent will get a better finished product than will an excellent coach with poor talent. Do you doubt that?
Perhaps the problem with Flowers is that he stinks? I'm hardly ready to render that verdict but the performance yesterday was putrid.
General comment about tight ends: most don't block anymore. Ertz, Witten and Reed are large wide receivers. The second tight end might be a blocker, true. However, the dink-pass, WCO offense has subverted just about everybody's running game save for the Vikings, who are still trying to get it done the old-fashioned way. You can include Dallas with them, to a degree, but for everything gained in the dink-pass game that you see, something is lost in the run game.
Did you see Twelve Gauge yesterday, stumbling through when he came in for the Bills? They looked as bad as the Giants did.
I guess sometimes it really pays off to draft real seniors instead of junior early eligible guys.
Although Apple looks like he's a fast study as well.
I do want to see how we hold up to the Jets front 7.
These are the things I want to see this week:
-Good week of practice, no injuries.
-WR V. Cruz back and going full speed all week in practice. I still believe he is very "key" to this offense as a veteran #2/#3. If WR D. Harris forced into the #3 WR role we lose his special teams roles and I don't want that to happen. I like WR G. Davis and his upside but is he ready to be a #3? Is Lewis ready to be a #3 or #4? I'm holding out hope and many prayers that WR Cruz bounces back this week.
-TE's play well and freaking block who they are supposed to block and such. TE Tye is our best TE; R. Mallek may be the best blocker at TE. FB W. Johnson is a solid blocker and I think he'll practice and play.
-Starting OL must pass protect and run block vs a strong front 7. I think most of the problems are due to a combination of learning new techniques from Solari and well just being an overall average group. I do believe Pugh and Richburg are probowl capable.
-Can MLB Keenan Robinson stand out and showcase his speed so he is on the field more?
-Want to watch the secondary, these guys on paper are looking good and on the field they have played well. I thought little guy CB Deayon was pretty good yesterday.
-DT Millhouse - is he the #4 DT or a PS guy?
Quote:
Eli in 4 preseason games was 20 for 38 for 159 yds, 0tds and 1 int for a 55.2 passer rating. We finished 8th in total offense last year, 6th in pts.
They are evaluating and trying new stuff and have a new OL coach reteaching mechanics and techniques. It should improve quite a bit from what we saw today.
Coach, you must know that mechanics and techniques are universal, right? You are coach, it seems from your handle. So am I. I've been a damn good one for years. What separates coaches is the ability to instill those techniques. Solari was hired in January. He has had plenty of time. It goes back to the coaching axiom that I'm sure you adhere to, Coach: you cannot make chicken salad from chicken shit. Corollary: a poor coach with excellent talent will get a better finished product than will an excellent coach with poor talent. Do you doubt that?
Perhaps the problem with Flowers is that he stinks? I'm hardly ready to render that verdict but the performance yesterday was putrid.
General comment about tight ends: most don't block anymore. Ertz, Witten and Reed are large wide receivers. The second tight end might be a blocker, true. However, the dink-pass, WCO offense has subverted just about everybody's running game save for the Vikings, who are still trying to get it done the old-fashioned way. You can include Dallas with them, to a degree, but for everything gained in the dink-pass game that you see, something is lost in the run game.
Did you see Twelve Gauge yesterday, stumbling through when he came in for the Bills? They looked as bad as the Giants did.
Flowers does worry me a bit. And while I generally applaud Reese as a GM, I think they are really tying their wagon to Flowers as an LT b/c of where he was picked. He has tremendous talent but he might to be the type that simply struggles with picking up proper technique. Tyron Smith for perspective made huge strides in his second year. It's
still early but we've already heard a few reports with Flowers and his potential trouble picking up technique.
We shall see but this could be a big miss on Reese's part to not pick up another tackle.
You must have a severe stuttering problem
I believe Eli Apple will be a top corner and an excellent pick. You need 3 corners to be great on defense and for this year we have 4 guys that are very good.
Didn't the Dolphins move him to OG because he couldn't handle OT?
They are evaluating and trying new stuff and have a new OL coach reteaching mechanics and techniques. It should improve quite a bit from what we saw today.
That is a very misleading statistic. The team started slow each game trying to establish the run in the first half. Playing from behind in the 2nd half all we did was pass. If you take out a lot of the garbage yardage we were closer to 20th ranked. The offense was Eli to Odell.
I thought he provided little. Was able to be pushed to the outside or to the ground far too often.
just sayin'...
There have been a few threads today like this that aren't gushing with positives, but at least give an excellent analysis to feed discussion.
I don't think I've seen so many missed blocks by the TE's. I wasn't keying on them and still noticed a few straight-out whiffs, both by Donnell and Tye.
Couldn't agree more.
grizz299 : 8/21/2016 12:52 pm : link : reply
whaat were we thinking?
You are the same moron that uses post after post to call tunsil the best player in this draft. I hate to break it to you, but fretting over who was picked is not making or breaking the team this year. If we need to rely on a rookie T (or G) to win, this league is in pretyy shitty shape.
Everyone knows defense begins with the DL - pressure helps the back 7. Stopping the run puts offenses in tougher situations. If healthy, this defense can pose problems for offenses.
The real improvement on the D is up the middle. Snacks for Kuhn, Unga out, Collins in his natural position and a S next to him that is not over 30 and can run. Unga was painfully slow. Collins looked slow due to playing out of position. Dahl & Merriweather were the slowest S in the NFL. This has been corrected
Based on the official/unofficial depth chart and more importantly McAdoo's recent comments, it appears Robinson is no longer in the competition at MLB and is competing at WLB.
A: There is a good competition going on right now. B.J. (Goodson) made a good push yesterday, but Kelvin (Sheppard) and Jasper (Brinkley) are battling it out.