Lots of panties in a bunch this morning after preseason game #2.
So what should have been done? 2015 is over, what would have been your plan going into 2016 to improve the OL.
Please provide specifics.
Draft: Conklin & Stanley were gone. Tunsil had issues.
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No one knows. Anyone that says they know one way or the other is lying. We do know is he is among the highest paid non-QBs in the league. That we do know.
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He's already played his best football?
No one knows. Anyone that says they know one way or the other is lying. We do know is he is among the highest paid non-QBs in the league. That we do know.
This is every year. Next year someone will get a huge contract and then he'll be the new highest paid player at his position.
The Giants identified this player as a young, ascending talent who had his best years ahead of him.
I have seen you on countless occasions say that you'd prefer a front office to pay a player for what they will do here rather than what they did somewhere else. Have you not? Does that logic suddenly not apply here?
You're right, no one knows exactly what Vernon will do as a Giant but you take a risk when you sign basically any free agent. It's part of the process.
If the only signings you're okay with are low risk, low money deals for older veteran players or big money for elite players only and no one else.. you're going to be looking at a pretty short and disappointing list. Because when teams have elite players on their roster, they generally do what they can to retain them. See: Miller, Von.
I'm not really sure how else you expected the Giants to fill holes. You only get so many draft picks and the success rate is small on those. The entire point of free agency is to identify needs on your football team and sign players who can help fill those needs.
But what I've been saying is about the entire off-season. We had enormous resources at our disposal but are entering the season paper thin in key areas, particularly those that support our two best players. And for all that spending the defense doesn't figure to be top tier either.
We now have a very expensive defense that lacks a single elite player, and lacks depth everywhere.
But the line will be elite. Ok.
That is horse shit. Drc isn't elite? Vernon sure looks elite to me snd snacks isn't an elite DT?
I think the DL will be great this year if things fall into a pretty safe to predict place. You don't. But to say that this D has no elite players is just shite.
He has to be very good to justify the deal but I don't think it's fair to basically say anything less than superstar production means it was a bad signing.
But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.
What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.
DRC is a stud. If you can't see that you're blind.
But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.
What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.
I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎
He's so elite that he was on his fourth team by age 28.
He's been a good player for the Giants. Certainly better than I expected. But elite? No.
Let's just look forwrd to the season and pray things break right for this team for one fucking season. The Giants Org isn't filled with idiots contrary to what some insist on believing. They work hard and perform due dilliegence. There's strengths and weaknesses on this team. Most teams are in a similar spot. No one is perfect and very few teams dominate anymore. Giants can win this thing despite the holes. Denver won last year with a corpse at QB. The Giants won in 2011 with a laughable running game and fading oline.
Just win. Please.
Maybe he's not an "elite" player but he's probably the 2nd best player on this defense at worst depending on how Vernon performs.
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We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off.
But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.
What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.
I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎
You don't see him as a disruptive force at all? He was getting into backfields regularly with one arm last year.
He's better than "decent to good".. it won't take long for him to prove it. That man is on a mission this year and he's going to silence a lot of critics.
DRC is a stud. If you can't see that you're blind.
Elite is what I'd call the top 5 at your position, maybe 10 if there are 2 of your position starting.
At CB, DRC probably falls closer to the 10-15 range. Good player but not a perennial pro bowler. Off the top of my head, you have Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Revis (still), Norman (arguable but he's in the conversation), Stephon Gilmore, and Marcus Peters... and probably more since I don't follow every team equally as close.
Elite is Eli in 2011... OBJ so far in his career... JPP in 2011, Strahan throughout his career, and Cruz/Nicks in '11 (moreso based on impact than stats).
That's just my own personal definition though, and I do agree DRC is a very good player and a very important part of this team.
He's been very vocal about how his hand feels, and has had far more time for it to heal up, and for him to get used to it.
There will always be situations where he will be missing the impact of having those fingers, but I actually think he will get back to at least 90% of what he was before (or would have been if the fireworks incident never happened)... maybe even more.
How many teams in the NFL could win losing a talent like Beckham??
This isn't 1986. Some of you have a hard time with that. You act like every team in the league just stacks up pro bowlers and drafts starters in the 5th round like no big deal.
Like djm said, the Bronocs won a Super Bowl with a QB that had issues throwing a forward pass. I'd say that a pretty big fucking hole.
You have this "every move is the wrong one, except for mine" thing going on.
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We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off.
But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.
What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.
I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎
You don't see him as a disruptive force at all? He was getting into backfields regularly with one arm last year.
He's better than "decent to good".. it won't take long for him to prove it. That man is on a mission this year and he's going to silence a lot of critics.
I disagree. I think grabbing the QB or Runner will cause him problems..I am not convinced of all that much. My mind will not change until most of this year is over and he proves me wrong(hoping he does)..Or not
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which is why every time Beckham or any one of the offensive linemen come up limping I'm going to hold my breath. Because somehow after this off-season of riches there is almost nothing in the cupboard there that we know can perform.
How many teams in the NFL could win losing a talent like Beckham??
This isn't 1986. Some of you have a hard time with that. You act like every team in the league just stacks up pro bowlers and drafts starters in the 5th round like no big deal.
Like djm said, the Bronocs won a Super Bowl with a QB that had issues throwing a forward pass. I'd say that a pretty big fucking hole.
You have this "every move is the wrong one, except for mine" thing going on.
I do? You might want to try reading some of your posts, even the ones that don't directly insult me.
The Broncos won the Super Bowl because they were absolutely stacked on one side of the ball. They had a unit that was actually elite.
We don't have that anywhere. We could have moved in that direction if we'd opted to reinforce things around the only two elite players that we have, but the GM opted to spend huge on defense in the hopes that less than elite players not only become elite themselves, but elevate the players around them.
I still only see two elite players on this team, and a supporting cast that can be good if a rookie pans out and there are no injuries at all on the offensive line.
The offense just looks paper thin to me.
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We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off.
But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.
What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.
I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎
You don't see him as a disruptive force at all? He was getting into backfields regularly with one arm last year.
He's better than "decent to good".. it won't take long for him to prove it. That man is on a mission this year and he's going to silence a lot of critics.
I disagree. I think grabbing the QB or Runner will cause him problems..I am not convinced of all that much. My mind will not change until most of this year is over and he proves me wrong(hoping he does)..Or not
It did last year when he was wearing an oven mitt on one hand and couldn't grab anything. If you've listened to him he says his hand feels the same as his healthy hand now. That doesn't mean it'll be exactly as it was before but he can actually make a fist now and grab hold with both hands. It's going to make a huge difference and enable him to finish a bunch of the plays he couldn't finish last year.
I think he's going to be a great story when all is said and done.
When was Revis traded the 2nd time?
I know the Jets traded him to TB.
TB released him and the Pats signed him.
The Pats had an option they didn't pick up making him a FA and he signed back with the Jets.
Am I missing one?
not commenting on anything other than that one point that surprised me since I only remember the one trade. I could be mistaken.
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We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off.
But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.
What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.
I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎
You don't see him as a disruptive force at all? He was getting into backfields regularly with one arm last year.
He's better than "decent to good".. it won't take long for him to prove it. That man is on a mission this year and he's going to silence a lot of critics.
I disagree. I think grabbing the QB or Runner will cause him problems..I am not convinced of all that much. My mind will not change until most of this year is over and he proves me wrong(hoping he does)..Or not
It did last year when he was wearing an oven mitt on one hand and couldn't grab anything. If you've listened to him he says his hand feels the same as his healthy hand now. That doesn't mean it'll be exactly as it was before but he can actually make a fist now and grab hold with both hands. It's going to make a huge difference and enable him to finish a bunch of the plays he couldn't finish last year.
I think he's going to be a great story when all is said and done.
Hope you're right
It can be argued that resigning him to even a one year, $10M deal is a bad idea, considering he had been inconsistent and several years removed from being the elite player he was during 2011.
Whether he is still a good player remains to be seen. The fact that he was the best player on a historically bad defense is not an argue mentioned I'd be making, however.
The offense just looks paper thin to me.
My apologies. Didn't mean to offend.
What offense can withstand losing a key player? Who isn't "paper thin" somewhere?
I'm still stuck on your "Dallas is building something" thing.
Babe Ruth was traded.
Babe Ruth was traded.
No argument from me. I just was curious on the Revis comments.
Champ Bailey was traded too - maybe not quite in Revis class but he's a hall-of-famer IMO.
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I would have drafted Cody Whitehair in the second round instead of Sharp.
There are a lot more fast guys who can catch the ball on the planet than there are fat mobile guys :)
Who's your #2 WR if we draft a G in the 2nd?
The number #2 WR doesn't matter if Eli is looking out of the earhole of his helmet every other play because the O-line can't block. Haven't looked but I'm guessing it is easier to find a serviceable free agent WR to fill the #2 role.
You'd think Dallas would have found a way to build a well rounded team by now. They haven't had to endure the attrition, career ending injury luck or post super bowl salary cap hell that a super bowl winning team has to typically endure. So what's their excuse? Why isn't Dallas so awesome? Shouldn't they have won more than 4 (Lol) games last season with all this OL talent that takes all the pressure off the skill players? What happened there?
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I would have drafted Cody Whitehair in the second round instead of Sharp.
There are a lot more fast guys who can catch the ball on the planet than there are fat mobile guys :)
Who's your #2 WR if we draft a G in the 2nd?
The number #2 WR doesn't matter if Eli is looking out of the earhole of his helmet every other play because the O-line can't block. Haven't looked but I'm guessing it is easier to find a serviceable free agent WR to fill the #2 role.
So the #2 WR wouldn't have mattered last season? The same team that was literally one play away from winning 4-5 more games didn't need an impact WR last season? They needed a better RT?
Do people actually believe what they post around here?
There's more than one way to skin a cat. You're telling me the Giants win the east last year if they add one more solid OL to the equation? You're gonna guarantee that while dismissing the impact another WR would have had?
Want to go back and re-examine 2011? That team was even worse at running the ball than last year's team.
The Giants lacked TALENT. They lacked talent across the board. If anything the one constant last year was in fact the OL. It wasn't great by any stretch but it was OK.
The D was historically bad. I don't care if the 83 Hogs and 90 NYG OL joined forces and ran out there for the 2015 Giants. They still don't stop anyone and don't win a fucking thing. See 2014 Dallas for proof. That team had a wonderful offensive season. They were blessed injury wise. And they still shit the bed come playoff time.
There's more than one way to skin a cat. You're telling me the Giants win the east last year if they add one more solid OL to the equation? You're gonna guarantee that while dismissing the impact another WR would have had?
Want to go back and re-examine 2011? That team was even worse at running the ball than last year's team.
The Giants lacked TALENT. They lacked talent across the board. If anything the one constant last year was in fact the OL. It wasn't great by any stretch but it was OK.
The D was historically bad. I don't care if the 83 Hogs and 90 NYG OL joined forces and ran out there for the 2015 Giants. They still don't stop anyone and don't win a fucking thing. See 2014 Dallas for proof. That team had a wonderful offensive season. They were blessed injury wise. And they still shit the bed come playoff time.
By the 4th quarter the D was gassed.
Lol. Never mind the previous week when Dallas was gifted a win against the lions and please go ahead and ignore the FACT that Aaron Rodgers mom walked the packer offense down the field to seal the playoff win over Dallas and even if Dez is given that TD Dallas still loses because they couldn't stop jack shit.
You're so wrong it's not even funny anymore. Keep at it.
Let me remind everyone again that snacks Harrison is not elite and neither is Vernon. But some gusrd on Oakland is.
By the 4th quarter the D was gassed.
Agreed. It's good to have talent across the board. Let's just move on.
Yet on the other hand you're also comfortable stating as fact that the Giants' defensive line WILL be elite in 2016.
It's tough to see you as anything other than a pollyanna fan.
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That Cowboy team was really good; better certainly than anything we've had for a while.
Lol. Never mind the previous week when Dallas was gifted a win against the lions and please go ahead and ignore the FACT that Aaron Rodgers mom walked the packer offense down the field to seal the playoff win over Dallas and even if Dez is given that TD Dallas still loses because they couldn't stop jack shit.
You're so wrong it's not even funny anymore. Keep at it.
Vinatieri is worth a 1st round pick to GT, but Vernon isn't "elite" enough.