OL: What would you have done as GM?

In comment 13081736 yatqb said:

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I agree with much of what you said there, but I find fault with our not having been able to hit on even one competent OL in the lower rounds since DD, and in letting Schwartz go without a backup plan. Whatever Solari told JR about Stingily and some of the other scrub offensive linemen he's coached elsewhere, I fault JR for not getting at least one more competent OL with whom to head into this season. I suspect we'll add one or two more off waivers before the season starts (at least I hope so) but we're gonna be scrambling a lot all year to overcome a poor OL if we don't land someone who can play effectively. It's a shame to waste another year of Eli to a ineffective OL.

No argument here! I would agree, it's frustrating that we haven't been able to find an OL in the middle rounds to star...(very frustrating)....not sure what the deal is there.

our pathetic D, the allocation of big bucks had to be earmarked to that side of the ball. Had to..

Besides, iirc, wasn't Mitchell Schwartz scooped up within hours?

In comment 13081592 drkenneth said:

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You're zigging when people are zagging. It's your BBI shtick. Dallas is "building something" yet their QB gets the shit beat out of him, and they've won exactly 2 playoff games in 20 years. You talk about the Giants spending on "high priced FAs", then suggest spending $60+ million on a G and sign a 35 year old WR. Then you bitch about spending a #2 on a WR to pair with Beckham. I'm having a hard tie understand what the fuck your stance is. It's like your just taking shots in the dark here.

At no point did I bitch about drafting Shepard. I love the pick, and it's exactly what I would have done on draft day. Don't put words in my mouth and then whine that I have a shtick.

My concern is that we are leaving way too much on him right out of the gate.

The large point is this: we entered the off-season with enormous cap space. We are now concluding the off-season with enormous questions at wide receiver, offensive line, and tight end. These are the area that directly support the two players who will have the greatest say in the success or failure of this season.

How the hell does that happen?

In comment 13081738 Overseer said:

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part of the "reasonable 10%" employs phrases like "twat brigade", a reasonable/big picture perspective no doubt includes the understanding that Eli Manning is 35 1/2. So one can be forgiven for being less interested in the long term. Blake Bortles & Jags fans have 5+ years to wait while his team is built around him. It's conceivable that 2016 could be it for Manning. And likely that, say, 2018 will be. Reese I'm sure knows this better than anyone. I simply can't imagine he's feeling good about the right side of the line or about the probable starting LT. Platitudes about there being no complete teams doesn't change that. Big difference on Sundays between serviceable players and bad ones. A bad LT can sink an entire season.

Agreed. I just think that if the D played AVERAGE last year, this team wins 8 games (they should have anyway)

You have to play the hand dealt. Let's hope a vet OL shakes loose.

In comment 13081763 Go Terps said:

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In comment 13081592 drkenneth said: Quote: You're zigging when people are zagging. It's your BBI shtick. Dallas is "building something" yet their QB gets the shit beat out of him, and they've won exactly 2 playoff games in 20 years. You talk about the Giants spending on "high priced FAs", then suggest spending $60+ million on a G and sign a 35 year old WR. Then you bitch about spending a #2 on a WR to pair with Beckham. I'm having a hard tie understand what the fuck your stance is. It's like your just taking shots in the dark here. At no point did I bitch about drafting Shepard. I love the pick, and it's exactly what I would have done on draft day. Don't put words in my mouth and then whine that I have a shtick. My concern is that we are leaving way too much on him right out of the gate. The large point is this: we entered the off-season with enormous cap space. We are now concluding the off-season with enormous questions at wide receiver, offensive line, and tight end. These are the area that directly support the two players who will have the greatest say in the success or failure of this season. How the hell does that happen?

No argument here. Best guess is another off-season draft/free agency, and the team makes a run at another SB with Eli in 2017/2018.

We're ignoring the injuries since 2011 as well (which BBI conveniently does). We have "enormous" questions at WR because our top trio (Nicks/Cruz/Manningham) are either out of the league (Nicks just cut again, career over at 28)

I've always said the biggest issue is the injuries. That's a big reason we haven't been able "to build something"

How is it that 31 other NFL teams can develop 1 OL as a mid/late rd pick or UDFA. This team has not done it since Deihl.

That is a staff issue

In comment 13081801 stretch234 said:

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How is it that 31 other NFL teams can develop 1 OL as a mid/late rd pick or UDFA. This team has not done it since Deihl. That is a staff issue

We have a new staff.

a) Was not a fan Flowers as a prospect. I'm generally opposed to selecting OL in the first half of the first round who aren't balanced blockers - that is, skew heavily to either run or pass blocking but are raw the other way. Flowers was raw all around. I'm also not opposed to "reaching" for a player we like over who the draft shitheads say we should pick, but I thought Flowers was a first rounder based on potential only.

Alternate Decision: Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan St.

As this draft unfolded, it became clear that we missed out on some of the better prospects. It also doesn't appear as though we missed too badly here as there really isn't a guy drafted below our spot - with the exception of Gurley - who clearly outplayed Flowers in their rookie season. Gurley would not have been on my board. Even Waynes played little and had all of one start last season.

b) I would have let JPP walk. It isn't the $10M salary for 2016, which is actually quite reasonable for a starting DE. His run stopping was really the bread and butter, and I just don't see him being a two way DE anymore and don't understand the reason of kicking the can down the road another year. I dont want to hear about special gloves. No one is going to convince me that a guy missing two and a half fingers on his strong hand is going to generate the same kind of hand power and leverage.

[b]Alternate Decision: Let Odi start. It's a risky move considering his rookie campaign was a total loss due to injury, but he's a DE in the Tuck mold, capable of using his power to seal the edge. His pass rush would be a step back, perhaps, but I think it would be about a wash. It's time to see what he brings to the table.

c) Sign Osmele. I don't care that he's a guard. He's an ascending player who is only 27 y/o and a mauler in the run game and above avg. as a pass blocker. These types of guys just don't shake free.

d) Slide Pugh to LT. This isn't an ideal fit, but he's an adequate to better than avg. pass blocker. I do think he's better equipped to handle the edge against speed rushers and I feel better having him protect Eli's blind side.

e) Bring Prince back on a one-year deal. I think Prince gets a raw deal around here. He was a very solid CB when healthy. I get it, when was he healthy? But I'd bring him back for one more year and see whether he can play better healed and with a better S tandem.

f) With Waynes now entering his second year (2016) and Prince resigned for another year, I would have passed on Jenkins. I was not a fan of Jenkins coming out and nothing I've seen or heard about him since coming into the league has changed my mind. He's too risky a player for my liking - on and off the field. Five years, 62.5M for a guy who's among the most burned CBs in the league, and an immature shithead to boot? Pass.

g) I still go ahead and draft Apple, or William Jackson III (whom I preferred. Unfortunately, WJIII now has a torn pectoral and may be lost for the year...I like the Snacks and OV signings.

h) Sign Mitchell Schwartz.


Here's what team looks like:

OL: Pugh, Osemel, Richburg, Jerry, Schwartz

DL: Odi, Snacks, Hankins, Vernon

CB: DRC, Prince, Waynes, Apple (WJIII)

S: Collins, Thompson


Now this assumes the players coming in here want to come here. The money is just about a wash with what we actually did. Is this a better team? Know knows? Still lots of risks and question marks.

In comment 13081748 drkenneth said:

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All 32 teams have $$$ to spend, and a lot of teams have OL issues. I would have loved Cordy, Osemele, or Schwartz. Would have been great to add another upgrade on the OL. But it's clear those guys were never options, as there are 31 other teams vying for OL talent. Below is a list of all FA OL signings for 2016. OL FA 2016 - ( New Window )

Yes, and if you offer more money than they were offered by those other teams, you can probably sign them.

You're implying that because there are other teams that also need OL help, we couldn't sign one?

You're all over the place here and literally saying anything to just argue with people who think our O-line should have been further addressed. Out of those three players, the only one who "wasn't an option" was Glenn because he was franchised. If the Giants offered a contract that was more than what other teams offered, they'd have a very good chance of signing them. I don't see how Schwartz and Osemele weren't options, I don't see why Bulaga last year wasn't an option, and the "31 other teams" excuse is really, really weak when you're talking about acquiring FA's. Nobody is saying every single FA in the world should be signed.

Those moves would not be a wash. They'd add about $5M in salart - unless my math is off.

It's easy to say we should have signed them, but you don't know if we reached out to their agents and were rejected from the get-go for one reason or another. They both signed with their new teams at the outset of free agency, so it looks to me like the deals they had were put in place during that legal/illegal start to free agency. It's not like they had multiple visits planned, or got any teams involved in a bidding war. Osemele went for the big bucks he wasn't going to get in Baltimore, and Schwartz went to KC, where his brother had some success. I really don't think we were in the picture for either of them.

In comment 13081842 Modus Operandi said:

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a) Was not a fan Flowers as a prospect. I'm generally opposed to selecting OL in the first half of the first round who aren't balanced blockers - that is, skew heavily to either run or pass blocking but are raw the other way. Flowers was raw all around. I'm also not opposed to "reaching" for a player we like over who the draft shitheads say we should pick, but I thought Flowers was a first rounder based on potential only. Alternate Decision: Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan St. As this draft unfolded, it became clear that we missed out on some of the better prospects. It also doesn't appear as though we missed too badly here as there really isn't a guy drafted below our spot - with the exception of Gurley - who clearly outplayed Flowers in their rookie season. Gurley would not have been on my board. Even Waynes played little and had all of one start last season. b) I would have let JPP walk. It isn't the $10M salary for 2016, which is actually quite reasonable for a starting DE. His run stopping was really the bread and butter, and I just don't see him being a two way DE anymore and don't understand the reason of kicking the can down the road another year. I dont want to hear about special gloves. No one is going to convince me that a guy missing two and a half fingers on his strong hand is going to generate the same kind of hand power and leverage. [b]Alternate Decision: Let Odi start. It's a risky move considering his rookie campaign was a total loss due to injury, but he's a DE in the Tuck mold, capable of using his power to seal the edge. His pass rush would be a step back, perhaps, but I think it would be about a wash. It's time to see what he brings to the table. c) Sign Osmele. I don't care that he's a guard. He's an ascending player who is only 27 y/o and a mauler in the run game and above avg. as a pass blocker. These types of guys just don't shake free. d) Slide Pugh to LT. This isn't an ideal fit, but he's an adequate to better than avg. pass blocker. I do think he's better equipped to handle the edge against speed rushers and I feel better having him protect Eli's blind side. e) Bring Prince back on a one-year deal. I think Prince gets a raw deal around here. He was a very solid CB when healthy. I get it, when was he healthy? But I'd bring him back for one more year and see whether he can play better healed and with a better S tandem. f) With Waynes now entering his second year (2016) and Prince resigned for another year, I would have passed on Jenkins. I was not a fan of Jenkins coming out and nothing I've seen or heard about him since coming into the league has changed my mind. He's too risky a player for my liking - on and off the field. Five years, 62.5M for a guy who's among the most burned CBs in the league, and an immature shithead to boot? Pass. g) I still go ahead and draft Apple, or William Jackson III (whom I preferred. Unfortunately, WJIII now has a torn pectoral and may be lost for the year...I like the Snacks and OV signings. h) Sign Mitchell Schwartz. Here's what team looks like: OL: Pugh, Osemel, Richburg, Jerry, Schwartz DL: Odi, Snacks, Hankins, Vernon CB: DRC, Prince, Waynes, Apple (WJIII) S: Collins, Thompson Now this assumes the players coming in here want to come here. The money is just about a wash with what we actually did. Is this a better team? Know knows? Still lots of risks and question marks.

I guess you missed my post above. M. Schwartz was never in the go get him equation as he was gone within hours, possibly a day..We obviously were busy signing sorely needed D reinforcements..Not saying the OL wasn't a big need, just that the D HAD TO BE the priority

Which is why I said, "assuming the players wanted to come here" at the end of my post.

In comment 13081229 Go Terps said:

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In comment 13081215 drkenneth said: Quote: ? Because they are reactive and, to me, don't indicate that there is a larger plan in place to establish what type of team this is going to be both in the near term and the long term. There's a difference between setting out to establish something, like say Dallas has done with their offensive line, and putting out fires. What is this team trying to be?

So let me get this straight here. The Giants hire their possible HC of the future and a guy they love in McAdoo 3 years ago. Over the next 2 years they don't really spend any significant money in FA. They release or phase out the older aging or hurt vets and focus on building the younger players up and giving said younger players ample playing time while taking their lumps. They let Coughlin walk and promote the guy they loved and groomed for the last 2 seasons and finally, when all that cap room opens up because of said patience and lump taking, the Giants sign 3 defensive players all entering their 2nd contract and all coming off healthy solid 2015 campaigns.

And that's not a plan?

That's the very embodiment of a concrete plan that began back in the 2014 off-season. Oh, and the Giants still have a shit load of cap room.

This is fucking ridiculous. Just let the fucking season play out before obliterating a plan that's been 3 years in the making. Can we do that first or are some of you going to continue to lose their shit over a fucking preseason game?

they are a joke. I can't take anyone seriously when they conjure up Dallas as some sort of construct to be emulated. They have had one good season over the last 6. Get that? ONE.

The Skins are the team to emulate. They actually won this division 2 times over the last 4 seasons.

In comment 13081955 Modus Operandi said:

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Which is why I said, "assuming the players wanted to come here" at the end of my post.

Ok

it's right in front of us. The DL is going to be great this season if we allow for the same chips to fall like any other team would allow with their supposed strength. The DL is going to be elite. The Giants took a weakness and turned it into a strength this off-season. The same NYG franchise that won super bowls on the back of an elite DL went out and tried to emulate what worked before.

There were not blue goose tackles available in FA. They There were no elite WRs or TEs available in FA. The Giants valued quality beef along the DL because it worked before and those guys were available in FA. I don't care how good that Raider guard is --i'd rather have the pass-rusher.

In comment 13080635 drkenneth said:

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Sigh.

We'll, our past four years indicate we definitely have some sort of big personnel problem.

I would have signed Okung and told Flowers he was a RT for the foreseeable future. They weren't going to have to pay Okung "elite" LT money. I would have brought in a legit OG as a free agent to compete with Jerry and Hart at RG. Would have resigned a healthy Will Beatty and would have drafted Taylor Decker in the 1st round.

I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when in one post you say "Dallas is building a myth" and in another you say "our defensive line will be elite".

That is "Redskins fan in 2002"-level baseless, springtime champs bullshit.

In comment 13082060 Go Terps said:

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I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when in one post you say "Dallas is building a myth" and in another you say "our defensive line will be elite". That is "Redskins fan in 2002"-level baseless, springtime champs bullshit.

is it any easier to take you seriously when you refer to our FA signings as patching holes, when they're all players under 30, and came out with the best run stuffing DL and pass rusher available?

There were holes on defense, and players were brought in at great expense to occupy those areas.

We now have a very expensive defense that lacks a single elite player, and lacks depth everywhere.

But the line will be elite. Ok.

He's already played his best football?

in pressures in the 2nd half of the season by a considerable margin, but neither of those guys are quite 'elite' enough for Go Terps.

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I guess the Giants wasted their time plugging a hole with a player like Antonio Pierce back in 2005 because he wasn't "elite" if we're using this logic.

In comment 13082079 arcarsenal said:

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He's already played his best football?

No one knows. Anyone that says they know one way or the other is lying. We do know is he is among the highest paid non-QBs in the league. That we do know.

To already solid positions instead of filling holes. They should have signed a couple of stud QBs instead of pass rushers

In comment 13082096 Go Terps said:

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In comment 13082079 arcarsenal said: Quote: He's already played his best football? No one knows. Anyone that says they know one way or the other is lying. We do know is he is among the highest paid non-QBs in the league. That we do know.

This is every year. Next year someone will get a huge contract and then he'll be the new highest paid player at his position.

The Giants identified this player as a young, ascending talent who had his best years ahead of him.

I have seen you on countless occasions say that you'd prefer a front office to pay a player for what they will do here rather than what they did somewhere else. Have you not? Does that logic suddenly not apply here?

You're right, no one knows exactly what Vernon will do as a Giant but you take a risk when you sign basically any free agent. It's part of the process.

If the only signings you're okay with are low risk, low money deals for older veteran players or big money for elite players only and no one else.. you're going to be looking at a pretty short and disappointing list. Because when teams have elite players on their roster, they generally do what they can to retain them. See: Miller, Von.

I'm not really sure how else you expected the Giants to fill holes. You only get so many draft picks and the success rate is small on those. The entire point of free agency is to identify needs on your football team and sign players who can help fill those needs.

You're right, and I have no qualms paying top dollar for top quality players. And of course you'd rather get them at Vernon's age. I'm just not convinced we got a top player. We are paying him for what he's going to do here, but he's going to have to do amazing things to justify that contract. Just being a good player isn't enough. He has to be elite, and I'm not willing to assume he will be just because we all want him to be.

But what I've been saying is about the entire off-season. We had enormous resources at our disposal but are entering the season paper thin in key areas, particularly those that support our two best players. And for all that spending the defense doesn't figure to be top tier either.

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In comment 13082076 Go Terps said:

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There were holes on defense, and players were brought in at great expense to occupy those areas. We now have a very expensive defense that lacks a single elite player, and lacks depth everywhere. But the line will be elite. Ok.

That is horse shit. Drc isn't elite? Vernon sure looks elite to me snd snacks isn't an elite DT?

I think the DL will be great this year if things fall into a pretty safe to predict place. You don't. But to say that this D has no elite players is just shite.

There was an elite or close to elite WR available this offseason and it was a guy I wanted to sign. Marvin jones. I didn't want anyone else. I wanted jones and may have preferred him over Jenkins but I won't lose sleep over it.

If Vernon is a disruptive force this year and notches 12 sacks to go along with a ton of pressures, are you really going to be upset with the signing?

He has to be very good to justify the deal but I don't think it's fair to basically say anything less than superstar production means it was a bad signing.

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We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off.

But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone.

What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.

Is DRC an elite corner back? How many guys are better? 5?

DRC is a stud. If you can't see that you're blind.

In comment 13082156 djm said:

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We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off. But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone. What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track.

I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎

If DRC were elite the Giants wouldn't have considered trading him this off-season.

He's so elite that he was on his fourth team by age 28.

He's been a good player for the Giants. Certainly better than I expected. But elite? No.

I've been wrong before too.

Let's just look forwrd to the season and pray things break right for this team for one fucking season. The Giants Org isn't filled with idiots contrary to what some insist on believing. They work hard and perform due dilliegence. There's strengths and weaknesses on this team. Most teams are in a similar spot. No one is perfect and very few teams dominate anymore. Giants can win this thing despite the holes. Denver won last year with a corpse at QB. The Giants won in 2011 with a laughable running game and fading oline.

Just win. Please.

which is why every time Beckham or any one of the offensive linemen come up limping I'm going to hold my breath. Because somehow after this off-season of riches there is almost nothing in the cupboard there that we know can perform.

I don't think the Giants considering trading DRC has anything to do with his ability. If you believe the rumblings of some posters who have had legit info, there's a good chance he won't be here after this year. I have no idea what the issue is.. maybe it's money related, maybe it's something in his personal life.. but for whatever reason I've seen it mentioned more than once by reputable people here that he may not be here for some undisclosed reason.

Maybe he's not an "elite" player but he's probably the 2nd best player on this defense at worst depending on how Vernon performs.

In comment 13082162 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13082156 djm said: Quote: We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off. But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone. What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track. I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎

You don't see him as a disruptive force at all? He was getting into backfields regularly with one arm last year.

He's better than "decent to good".. it won't take long for him to prove it. That man is on a mission this year and he's going to silence a lot of critics.

In comment 13082159 djm said:

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Is DRC an elite corner back? How many guys are better? 5? DRC is a stud. If you can't see that you're blind.

I think DRC is a really good #1 CB, but I do not think he is elite. I think there are very few elite players in the game. He is a stud, but I don't know about elite.

Elite is what I'd call the top 5 at your position, maybe 10 if there are 2 of your position starting.

At CB, DRC probably falls closer to the 10-15 range. Good player but not a perennial pro bowler. Off the top of my head, you have Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Revis (still), Norman (arguable but he's in the conversation), Stephon Gilmore, and Marcus Peters... and probably more since I don't follow every team equally as close.

Elite is Eli in 2011... OBJ so far in his career... JPP in 2011, Strahan throughout his career, and Cruz/Nicks in '11 (moreso based on impact than stats).

That's just my own personal definition though, and I do agree DRC is a very good player and a very important part of this team.

The fact he even had an impact with the club and skin grafts literally coming off his hand last year is insane. He was actually arguably our best D-lineman last year even with that injury (I guess you could say Ayers, maybe Hankins pre injury, but the D changed with JPP on the field).

He's been very vocal about how his hand feels, and has had far more time for it to heal up, and for him to get used to it.

There will always be situations where he will be missing the impact of having those fingers, but I actually think he will get back to at least 90% of what he was before (or would have been if the fireworks incident never happened)... maybe even more.

In comment 13082166 Go Terps said:

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which is why every time Beckham or any one of the offensive linemen come up limping I'm going to hold my breath. Because somehow after this off-season of riches there is almost nothing in the cupboard there that we know can perform.

How many teams in the NFL could win losing a talent like Beckham??

This isn't 1986. Some of you have a hard time with that. You act like every team in the league just stacks up pro bowlers and drafts starters in the 5th round like no big deal.

Like djm said, the Bronocs won a Super Bowl with a QB that had issues throwing a forward pass. I'd say that a pretty big fucking hole.

You have this "every move is the wrong one, except for mine" thing going on.

In comment 13082170 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13082162 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 13082156 djm said: Quote: We can safely say you were so completely wrong about this guy it borders on the hilarious, terps. I'm hoping the universe pulls another Strahan 2007 moment for us all to behold. You remember that guy right? The same HOFer you ran the fuck out of town before that historical season even kicked off. But I digress. Let's just see how these guys play together before we praise of condem anyone. What drives me nuts is that this thread along with 10 more wouldn't eben exist if the Giants looked pretty good in a lousy fucking preseason game. Don't the Giants always lose to Rex Ryan in the preseason??? Too bad those games don't count. Rex's legend would be real and not some laugh track. I am still one of those who believe JPP is at this point a decent to good player, nothing more..I don't see him as a disruptive force at all..Oh and I would be DELIGHTED to be wrong..😎 You don't see him as a disruptive force at all? He was getting into backfields regularly with one arm last year. He's better than "decent to good".. it won't take long for him to prove it. That man is on a mission this year and he's going to silence a lot of critics.

I disagree. I think grabbing the QB or Runner will cause him problems..I am not convinced of all that much. My mind will not change until most of this year is over and he proves me wrong(hoping he does)..Or not

Elite great whatever you want to call him. DRC is one of the best corners in the NFL. Revis was traded. Twice. And He's awesome although he's slipping.

a mobile QB re difficult to grab hold of. A statue can be sacked with one hand

In comment 13082181 drkenneth said:

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In comment 13082166 Go Terps said: Quote: which is why every time Beckham or any one of the offensive linemen come up limping I'm going to hold my breath. Because somehow after this off-season of riches there is almost nothing in the cupboard there that we know can perform. How many teams in the NFL could win losing a talent like Beckham?? This isn't 1986. Some of you have a hard time with that. You act like every team in the league just stacks up pro bowlers and drafts starters in the 5th round like no big deal. Like djm said, the Bronocs won a Super Bowl with a QB that had issues throwing a forward pass. I'd say that a pretty big fucking hole. You have this "every move is the wrong one, except for mine" thing going on.

I do? You might want to try reading some of your posts, even the ones that don't directly insult me.

The Broncos won the Super Bowl because they were absolutely stacked on one side of the ball. They had a unit that was actually elite.

We don't have that anywhere. We could have moved in that direction if we'd opted to reinforce things around the only two elite players that we have, but the GM opted to spend huge on defense in the hopes that less than elite players not only become elite themselves, but elevate the players around them.

I still only see two elite players on this team, and a supporting cast that can be good if a rookie pans out and there are no injuries at all on the offensive line.