Whether to fire TC, or to fire only TC, was debated here ad nauseam. In truth, none of us could know how much of the team's mediocrity was attributable to him. The possibility least discussed was that he coached a sub-mediocre collection of talent up to a level of mediocrity, i.e., 5-11 talent to 8-8. Of course this was only one preseason game. But in 60 years as Giants fan, I have never seen them look worse than yesterday. It might all mean nothing, but the worry nags.
23-0 loss to Seattle in 2014
How about the 27-0 loss to the Eagles to kick start a 7 game losing streak that took us from 3-2 to 3-9?
The 25-24 loss to the 1-win Jacksonville Jaguars to culminate said 7 game losing streak that blew a 21-3 lead in the sedond half!
How about the 34-0 loss to Atlanta in 2012 that effectively blew the playoffs for the otherwise 9-6 Giants?
or even the 23-0 home playoff loss to the Carolina Panthers in 2005?
or the bacl to back 41-9, 44-7 losses to end the season in 2009 to Carolina and Minnesota and miss the playoffs for an otherwise 8-6 team.
The 41-9 loss was the last game ever played in Giants Stadium and was to an otherwise 7-8 team that missed the playoffs.
This is off the top of my head!
A meaningless preseason game poor showing is nothing to be upset about.
But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.
I was fast forwarding from the first quarter on as fast as I could and erased the tape as soon as it was done and I've never done that before this is getting pathetic..... Maybe Macadoo better can the music at practice this ain't no party this ain't disco ....
But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.
Huh?
"Fellator"..the mental image now is ....
There's a new guy in town for you to fellate ;-)
Have a beer, smoke a joint. Whatever it takes to chill you guys the fuck out, do that.
None. Except the fact it's preseason.
MattHofstra : 8/21/2016 3:57 pm : link : reply
a few years ago to watch them lose 38-0 I believe on a day where Carolina was missing a slew of key starters on defense and we could barely gain a yard that day. We also gave up 7 sacks and fell to 0-3. That was one of the worst I've seen...Also the back to back games where we got blown out by Atlanta and Baltimore the same season were awful...let's all not panic too much here
He has been to two Giants games live - Carolina and Atlanta, and he's yet to see them score a point!
Thus far, no TE, No competent LT, a RT whose playing LT, no back-up QB to speak of, a pedestrian stable of running backs, a ton of LB's who knows which ones are starting material...and outside of Odell, a TON of young potential at WR with no proven production.
In order to have any proven talent along the DL and to upgrade CB, the franchise had to dole out $200M in salaries because the drafting was so terrible.
Whether Coughlin should have remained or not, Reese should be gone.
Maybe '82 with Scott Brunner? I was young so it's fuzzy.
I saw a defense trying some new things, new schemes, new blitzes, I also saw Eli look a little off in timing. That's about it.
Let it go. Let Tom ride off into the sunset.
but I think everyone is missing the point of what TC DID bring to the table
currently this team is making -ton of mental mistakes
missed blocking assignments - breakdowns in communication - no cohesiveness especially in the offense - and too many penalties AND TOO MANY TURNOVERS
regardless of talent level a Coughlin team usually minimized mistakes like this team currently is having which does make me concerned
but I think everyone is missing the point of what TC DID bring to the table
currently this team is making -ton of mental mistakes
missed blocking assignments - breakdowns in communication - no cohesiveness especially in the offense - and too many penalties AND TOO MANY TURNOVERS
regardless of talent level a Coughlin team usually minimized mistakes like this team currently is having which does make me concerned
The idea that Coughlin teams were disciplined is more reputation than fact. They often played like a poorly coached team during his reign. Too often!
PRE-SEASON.
Thus far, no TE, No competent LT, a RT whose playing LT, no back-up QB to speak of, a pedestrian stable of running backs, a ton of LB's who knows which ones are starting material...and outside of Odell, a TON of young potential at WR with no proven production.
In order to have any proven talent along the DL and to upgrade CB, the franchise had to dole out $200M in salaries because the drafting was so terrible.
Whether Coughlin should have remained or not, Reese should be gone.
We also lost a lot of assets to a variety of different injuries. Some were freak accidents (JPP), some guys' health rapidly declined (Nicks), David Wilson had a degenerative condition, and some guys got hurt in the weight room while supervised (Beatty). That's a lot of talent to make up for in a vacuum, and it's akin to bailing out water in a boat that's filling up with water.
It's amazing you gleaned all of that off of 2 preseason games.
Huh. So despite the players talking about how well he commands the room and how he's respected tremendously by the players - we have johnnyboy here telling us it's all bullshit. Awesome.
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Love the man.
But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.
Huh?
Listening to his diehard supporters, you'd think the man was Vince Lombardi.
ya that was pretty bad.
Just enjoy season, even by week 8 it will be too early to size up Mac. They will have ups and downs way too much change for it not to be... some things will be better and others will be worse.