for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Loss of Coughlin showing?

Josh in MD : 8/21/2016 2:58 pm
Whether to fire TC, or to fire only TC, was debated here ad nauseam. In truth, none of us could know how much of the team's mediocrity was attributable to him. The possibility least discussed was that he coached a sub-mediocre collection of talent up to a level of mediocrity, i.e., 5-11 talent to 8-8. Of course this was only one preseason game. But in 60 years as Giants fan, I have never seen them look worse than yesterday. It might all mean nothing, but the worry nags.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Too early  
Thinblueline : 8/21/2016 3:55 pm : link
To tell... Let's give Mac some time....
Never seen them worse than yesterday? Hyperbole much?  
j_rud : 8/21/2016 3:56 pm : link
Or are you forgetting the Panthers wild card game, the Christmas Eve New Orleans game, week 15 vs the Skins in 07 when they threw 50+ times in a frozen monsoon?
I traveled to Carolina  
MattHofstra : 8/21/2016 3:57 pm : link
a few years ago to watch them lose 38-0 I believe on a day where Carolina was missing a slew of key starters on defense and we could barely gain a yard that day. We also gave up 7 sacks and fell to 0-3. That was one of the worst I've seen...Also the back to back games where we got blown out by Atlanta and Baltimore the same season were awful...let's all not panic too much here
No, continued presence of Reese  
jeff57 : 8/21/2016 4:00 pm : link
.
The worst the Giants have played????  
twostepgiants : 8/21/2016 4:14 pm : link
How about 38-0 loss to the Carolina to fall to 0-3 in 2014

23-0 loss to Seattle in 2014

How about the 27-0 loss to the Eagles to kick start a 7 game losing streak that took us from 3-2 to 3-9?

The 25-24 loss to the 1-win Jacksonville Jaguars to culminate said 7 game losing streak that blew a 21-3 lead in the sedond half!

How about the 34-0 loss to Atlanta in 2012 that effectively blew the playoffs for the otherwise 9-6 Giants?

or even the 23-0 home playoff loss to the Carolina Panthers in 2005?

or the bacl to back 41-9, 44-7 losses to end the season in 2009 to Carolina and Minnesota and miss the playoffs for an otherwise 8-6 team.

The 41-9 loss was the last game ever played in Giants Stadium and was to an otherwise 7-8 team that missed the playoffs.

This is off the top of my head!

Same type of second  
oldog : 8/21/2016 4:22 pm : link
preseason showing as two years ago, offense trying to get dialed in. But different in that defense looks already dialed in and ready to go to work. And yeah no difference from Coughlin yet, but that will come as the pre-season moves into the pre-season.
January 28, 2001  
JPinstripes : 8/21/2016 4:27 pm : link
I was at the game in Tampa SBXXXV - there was no worse Giants game to be at or see during my lifetime...

A meaningless preseason game poor showing is nothing to be upset about.
There was no bigger fellator of TC on BBI than me.  
Big Blue '56 : 8/21/2016 4:28 pm : link
He's gone, I've moved on and all the moving parts including the HC will, in time, get in sync. It's preseason. You see who you have, pray for good health, decide on your final 53, pretty much keep things vanilla..This is the time to get in shape amd experiment with your roster. You certainly don't do that during the season...No judgements here..
Best BB56,  
oldog : 8/21/2016 4:29 pm : link
post ever.
TC was a great coach.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2016 4:36 pm : link
Love the man.

But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.
RE: You were a fan during the 60's and 70's  
NikkiMac : 8/21/2016 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13080308 Joe in Cambridge said:
Quote:
but the Giants team you saw yesterday was the worst you've ever seen?
yes Joe I believe he's right me too 50 years and I've seen it all I've never seen a giant team look worse preseason included this might not equate to a bad football team but they sure look lousy and I mean lousy

I was fast forwarding from the first quarter on as fast as I could and erased the tape as soon as it was done and I've never done that before this is getting pathetic..... Maybe Macadoo better can the music at practice this ain't no party this ain't disco ....
RE: TC was a great coach.  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/21/2016 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13080414 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
Love the man.

But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.


Huh?
RE: There was no bigger fellator of TC on BBI than me.  
HomerJones45 : 8/21/2016 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13080405 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
He's gone, I've moved on and all the moving parts including the HC will, in time, get in sync. It's preseason. You see who you have, pray for good health, decide on your final 53, pretty much keep things vanilla..This is the time to get in shape amd experiment with your roster. You certainly don't do that during the season...No judgements here..
good post Doc.
"fellator of TC"  
Mr. Bungle : 8/21/2016 7:02 pm : link
Great image.
RE: There was no bigger fellator of TC on BBI than me.  
micky : 8/21/2016 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13080405 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
He's gone, I've moved on and all the moving parts including the HC will, in time, get in sync. It's preseason. You see who you have, pray for good health, decide on your final 53, pretty much keep things vanilla..This is the time to get in shape amd experiment with your roster. You certainly don't do that during the season...No judgements here..



"Fellator"..the mental image now is ....

Good lord.....  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2016 7:37 pm : link
.
RE: There was no bigger fellator of TC on BBI than me.  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/21/2016 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13080405 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
He's gone, I've moved on and all the moving parts including the HC will, in time, get in sync. It's preseason. You see who you have, pray for good health, decide on your final 53, pretty much keep things vanilla..This is the time to get in shape amd experiment with your roster. You certainly don't do that during the season...No judgements here..


There's a new guy in town for you to fellate ;-)
It shows..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2016 8:26 pm : link
TC was a great coach very hard to replace, but it was time for him to go. Now that being said, im no fan Ben Mccadoo as HC, even when he was the OC. The main reason is since he has been with the Giants the offense has not been really good, and even now they are still having problems??! I remember how bad the the Giants first preseason was under McCadoo, and they still look bad?? Doesnt look to good going forward.
Sorry for the madness above,  
prdave73 : 8/21/2016 8:31 pm : link
Typing from a phone..
His name is McAdoo  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/21/2016 8:32 pm : link
If you're going to start hating him instead of Coughlin, at least spell his name right
Preseason.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/21/2016 8:41 pm : link
It was the 2nd preseason game with a brand new coach. Some of you need to relax a little.

Have a beer, smoke a joint. Whatever it takes to chill you guys the fuck out, do that.

I would say Fassels last year  
chiro56 : 8/21/2016 9:10 pm : link
Was worse then anything I've seen since the 60's and 70's. These games don't count. I wouldn't get to worked up.
Not hating on him at all..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2016 9:14 pm : link
Just giving my opinion on him. Oline issues aside there should be no reasons why this offense shouldnt be on point right now. There should absolutely be no reason Eli should be struggling, especially with all the weapons they have now, none.
RE: Not hating on him at all..  
drkenneth : 8/21/2016 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13080666 prdave73 said:
Quote:
Just giving my opinion on him. Oline issues aside there should be no reasons why this offense shouldnt be on point right now. There should absolutely be no reason Eli should be struggling, especially with all the weapons they have now, none.


None. Except the fact it's preseason.
Eli struggling?  
Big Blue '56 : 8/21/2016 9:31 pm : link
He's thrown 9 passes, 9! Struggling?
McAdoo has not even coached  
EricJ : 8/21/2016 9:57 pm : link
his first regular season game yet. It may be a good idea to look at Parcells' first entire season as a coach. It was horrible and there were talks of firing him already.
Thats what most said here  
prdave73 : 8/21/2016 10:00 pm : link
McAdoo 1st preseason and it flowed right into the season. Just because its preseason doesn't give right for that offensive performance. I believe un Eli and im show he will get this ship in the right direction, but its very concerning seeing an offensive perform that bad. Last thing we need is this to pour right into the regular season.
Show = sure  
prdave73 : 8/21/2016 10:03 pm : link
Im just really hoping the Giants made the right choice in HC dept.
To OP  
joeinpa : 8/22/2016 7:50 am : link
What about the past three seasons would make you want to still have Coughlin as the coach?
I have seen worse losses in preseason  
SomeFan : 8/22/2016 8:09 am : link
maybe but I didn't see many positives in this game. Our LT better not play like he did this past game in the regular season. I am a bit surprised that his performance was so bad.
We haven't even game planned for a single regular season game yet  
mfsd : 8/22/2016 8:14 am : link
Can we at least give McAdoo a chance to do that?
RE: We haven't even game planned for a single regular season game yet  
SGMen : 8/22/2016 8:18 am : link
In comment 13080871 mfsd said:
Quote:
Can we at least give McAdoo a chance to do that?
Exactly, we are healthy and therfore I am intrigued.
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/22/2016 8:34 am : link
blame my son for this.

Quote:
I traveled to Carolina
MattHofstra : 8/21/2016 3:57 pm : link : reply
a few years ago to watch them lose 38-0 I believe on a day where Carolina was missing a slew of key starters on defense and we could barely gain a yard that day. We also gave up 7 sacks and fell to 0-3. That was one of the worst I've seen...Also the back to back games where we got blown out by Atlanta and Baltimore the same season were awful...let's all not panic too much here


He has been to two Giants games live - Carolina and Atlanta, and he's yet to see them score a point!
Loss of Coughlin showing?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2016 8:44 am : link
I don't think so. They seemed to look a lot like the 6-10 teams he led the last two seasons...
Coughlin has coached games that have been as horrific...  
Milton : 8/22/2016 8:47 am : link
...as any you will see. There have been heartbreaking collapses, humiliating blowouts, and penalty-fests under his regime that rival the worst of the worst. And I don't know if there's ever been a head coach who has had to fire more of his coordinators during his reign than has Teflon Tom. And I'm talking in all the NFL, not just the Giants.
The look of this team has nothing to do with Coughlin or McAdoo  
andrew_nyg : 8/22/2016 9:05 am : link
at this point. It has everything to do with Jerry Reese.

Thus far, no TE, No competent LT, a RT whose playing LT, no back-up QB to speak of, a pedestrian stable of running backs, a ton of LB's who knows which ones are starting material...and outside of Odell, a TON of young potential at WR with no proven production.

In order to have any proven talent along the DL and to upgrade CB, the franchise had to dole out $200M in salaries because the drafting was so terrible.

Whether Coughlin should have remained or not, Reese should be gone.
Anytime a new, first time HC starts there is uncertainty.  
Victor in CT : 8/22/2016 10:11 am : link
But getting your panties in a bunch after the 2nd preseason game is just stupid.
2007  
HoustonGiant : 8/22/2016 10:34 am : link
The defense looked like it wasn't on the field the first two games. I don't know when I've seen worse play....


Maybe '82 with Scott Brunner? I was young so it's fuzzy.

I saw a defense trying some new things, new schemes, new blitzes, I also saw Eli look a little off in timing. That's about it.
Loved Coughlin  
mrvax : 8/22/2016 10:46 am : link
He deserves to be in Canton. That said, he cost the team 3-4 games last year with poor end game play calling and clock management.

Let it go. Let Tom ride off into the sunset.
TC  
giantfan2000 : 8/22/2016 11:01 am : link
look I was extremely critical of TC I hated his insistent loyalty to his coaches that were not doing a good job especially his T & C coaches with their antiquated system

but I think everyone is missing the point of what TC DID bring to the table

currently this team is making -ton of mental mistakes
missed blocking assignments - breakdowns in communication - no cohesiveness especially in the offense - and too many penalties AND TOO MANY TURNOVERS

regardless of talent level a Coughlin team usually minimized mistakes like this team currently is having which does make me concerned






RE: TC  
Milton : 8/22/2016 11:39 am : link
In comment 13081156 giantfan2000 said:
Quote:
look I was extremely critical of TC I hated his insistent loyalty to his coaches that were not doing a good job especially his T & C coaches with their antiquated system

but I think everyone is missing the point of what TC DID bring to the table

currently this team is making -ton of mental mistakes
missed blocking assignments - breakdowns in communication - no cohesiveness especially in the offense - and too many penalties AND TOO MANY TURNOVERS

regardless of talent level a Coughlin team usually minimized mistakes like this team currently is having which does make me concerned
I don't agree. Coughlin's teams were plagued with mental mistakes, communication breakdowns, and too many turnovers. How many times did we see opponent's WR's wide open and our DB's looking dumbfounded at each other afterwards. And let's not forget penalties, often of the stupid variety.

The idea that Coughlin teams were disciplined is more reputation than fact. They often played like a poorly coached team during his reign. Too often!
just pathetic  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/22/2016 11:42 am : link
how soft some of you "fans" are.

PRE-SEASON.
RE: The look of this team has nothing to do with Coughlin or McAdoo  
David in LA : 8/22/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13080927 andrew_nyg said:
Quote:
at this point. It has everything to do with Jerry Reese.

Thus far, no TE, No competent LT, a RT whose playing LT, no back-up QB to speak of, a pedestrian stable of running backs, a ton of LB's who knows which ones are starting material...and outside of Odell, a TON of young potential at WR with no proven production.

In order to have any proven talent along the DL and to upgrade CB, the franchise had to dole out $200M in salaries because the drafting was so terrible.

Whether Coughlin should have remained or not, Reese should be gone.


We also lost a lot of assets to a variety of different injuries. Some were freak accidents (JPP), some guys' health rapidly declined (Nicks), David Wilson had a degenerative condition, and some guys got hurt in the weight room while supervised (Beatty). That's a lot of talent to make up for in a vacuum, and it's akin to bailing out water in a boat that's filling up with water.
RE: You were a fan during the 60's and 70's  
ed90631 : 8/22/2016 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13080308 Joe in Cambridge said:
Quote:
but the Giants team you saw yesterday was the worst you've ever seen?
my thoughts exactly Joe.

Loss of Coughlin showing?  
johnboyw : 8/22/2016 5:54 pm : link
Absolutely. McAdoo does not have the experience or, frankly, the personality to be a head coach. Too cerebral. Reminds me of Ray Handley. Doesn't strike me as the type of guy who can rally the troops. Never was comfortable with his selection. Was basically picked so they wouldn't lose him. Could be a long by season and a short tenure here for him unless he gets it together.
RE: Loss of Coughlin showing?  
David in LA : 8/22/2016 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13082070 johnboyw said:
Quote:
Absolutely. McAdoo does not have the experience or, frankly, the personality to be a head coach. Too cerebral. Reminds me of Ray Handley. Doesn't strike me as the type of guy who can rally the troops. Never was comfortable with his selection. Was basically picked so they wouldn't lose him. Could be a long by season and a short tenure here for him unless he gets it together.


It's amazing you gleaned all of that off of 2 preseason games.
RE: Loss of Coughlin showing?  
B in ALB : 8/22/2016 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13082070 johnboyw said:
Quote:
Absolutely. McAdoo does not have the experience or, frankly, the personality to be a head coach. Too cerebral. Reminds me of Ray Handley. Doesn't strike me as the type of guy who can rally the troops. Never was comfortable with his selection. Was basically picked so they wouldn't lose him. Could be a long by season and a short tenure here for him unless he gets it together.


Huh. So despite the players talking about how well he commands the room and how he's respected tremendously by the players - we have johnnyboy here telling us it's all bullshit. Awesome.
RE: RE: TC was a great coach.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/22/2016 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13080508 AP in Halfmoon said:
Quote:
In comment 13080414 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


Love the man.

But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.



Huh?


Listening to his diehard supporters, you'd think the man was Vince Lombardi.
RE: I would say Fassels last year  
shabu : 8/23/2016 11:18 am : link
In comment 13080657 chiro56 said:
Quote:
Was worse then anything I've seen since the 60's and 70's. These games don't count. I wouldn't get to worked up.


ya that was pretty bad.
RE: Loss of Coughlin showing?  
shabu : 8/23/2016 11:19 am : link
In comment 13082070 johnboyw said:
Quote:
Absolutely. McAdoo does not have the experience or, frankly, the personality to be a head coach. Too cerebral. Reminds me of Ray Handley. Doesn't strike me as the type of guy who can rally the troops. Never was comfortable with his selection. Was basically picked so they wouldn't lose him. Could be a long by season and a short tenure here for him unless he gets it together.


Just enjoy season, even by week 8 it will be too early to size up Mac. They will have ups and downs way too much change for it not to be... some things will be better and others will be worse.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner