Whether to fire TC, or to fire only TC, was debated here ad nauseam. In truth, none of us could know how much of the team's mediocrity was attributable to him. The possibility least discussed was that he coached a sub-mediocre collection of talent up to a level of mediocrity, i.e., 5-11 talent to 8-8. Of course this was only one preseason game. But in 60 years as Giants fan, I have never seen them look worse than yesterday. It might all mean nothing, but the worry nags.
MattHofstra : 8/21/2016 3:57 pm : link : reply
a few years ago to watch them lose 38-0 I believe on a day where Carolina was missing a slew of key starters on defense and we could barely gain a yard that day. We also gave up 7 sacks and fell to 0-3. That was one of the worst I've seen...Also the back to back games where we got blown out by Atlanta and Baltimore the same season were awful...let's all not panic too much here
He has been to two Giants games live - Carolina and Atlanta, and he's yet to see them score a point!
Thus far, no TE, No competent LT, a RT whose playing LT, no back-up QB to speak of, a pedestrian stable of running backs, a ton of LB's who knows which ones are starting material...and outside of Odell, a TON of young potential at WR with no proven production.
In order to have any proven talent along the DL and to upgrade CB, the franchise had to dole out $200M in salaries because the drafting was so terrible.
Whether Coughlin should have remained or not, Reese should be gone.
Maybe '82 with Scott Brunner? I was young so it's fuzzy.
I saw a defense trying some new things, new schemes, new blitzes, I also saw Eli look a little off in timing. That's about it.
Let it go. Let Tom ride off into the sunset.
but I think everyone is missing the point of what TC DID bring to the table
currently this team is making -ton of mental mistakes
missed blocking assignments - breakdowns in communication - no cohesiveness especially in the offense - and too many penalties AND TOO MANY TURNOVERS
regardless of talent level a Coughlin team usually minimized mistakes like this team currently is having which does make me concerned
but I think everyone is missing the point of what TC DID bring to the table
currently this team is making -ton of mental mistakes
missed blocking assignments - breakdowns in communication - no cohesiveness especially in the offense - and too many penalties AND TOO MANY TURNOVERS
regardless of talent level a Coughlin team usually minimized mistakes like this team currently is having which does make me concerned
The idea that Coughlin teams were disciplined is more reputation than fact. They often played like a poorly coached team during his reign. Too often!
PRE-SEASON.
Thus far, no TE, No competent LT, a RT whose playing LT, no back-up QB to speak of, a pedestrian stable of running backs, a ton of LB's who knows which ones are starting material...and outside of Odell, a TON of young potential at WR with no proven production.
In order to have any proven talent along the DL and to upgrade CB, the franchise had to dole out $200M in salaries because the drafting was so terrible.
Whether Coughlin should have remained or not, Reese should be gone.
We also lost a lot of assets to a variety of different injuries. Some were freak accidents (JPP), some guys' health rapidly declined (Nicks), David Wilson had a degenerative condition, and some guys got hurt in the weight room while supervised (Beatty). That's a lot of talent to make up for in a vacuum, and it's akin to bailing out water in a boat that's filling up with water.
It's amazing you gleaned all of that off of 2 preseason games.
Huh. So despite the players talking about how well he commands the room and how he's respected tremendously by the players - we have johnnyboy here telling us it's all bullshit. Awesome.
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Love the man.
But he wasn't the man his diehard supporters make him out to be.
Huh?
Listening to his diehard supporters, you'd think the man was Vince Lombardi.
ya that was pretty bad.
Just enjoy season, even by week 8 it will be too early to size up Mac. They will have ups and downs way too much change for it not to be... some things will be better and others will be worse.