Turns out, according to USA Today, Lochte's 2nd statement was close to the truth as per the two non-charged swimmers and the findings of their reporters.
Seems the Rio police may have exaggerated as much as Lochte. Seems the "security guards" may have committed a crime, also. The guards were moonlighting prison guards who should not have shown badges.
The only vandalism was tearing down a loosely hung sign that was in disrepair. Damage to the bathroom never occurred - they weren't in it.
While Lochte embellished the original story, it appears the Rio police (and maybe the judge) embellished on their findings, too.
Not surprising in Brazil.
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He played the ugly American role to perfection, and then has done nothing more then changed the story 3 times, and soft sold the apology.
He is a first class scumbag, and it has nothing to do with a pair of off duty cops letting him go for some minor cash
Lol, he knocked down a tattered poster in an alleyway and took issue with some rent a cops pointing a gun in his face as he was being shaken down for cash.
Yeah, what a scumbag.
It's coming out that the Brazillians are lying crooks and Lochte is still getting shit. Amazing.
Great, once you get off his junk, I'm sure he will send you a fanboy autograph you can hang on your wall.
He is and always has been a talented swimmer who is a fucking idiot outside the pool. He just emphasised that with immature acts while overseas representing his country, and then lied about it repeatedly while leaving his teammates to deal with it.
Yes the stupid fuck should have said nothing to begin with and walked away and nobody would have known a thing. Turns out what he told Matt Lauer later was pretty much what really happened according to the 2 swimmers that said nothing to begin with and apparently accepted by the police, as they were set free. Turns out the police lied more than he did, according to USA Today.
But what the hell, turns out basically Feigen was extorted..
Let's hear it for Brazilian justice. As I said, bad enough a drunk athlete made up a tail and embellished it. I'm not defending his/their actions. But if you don't think that the police and possibly the judge lied and that isn't worse, I don't know what to tell you.
Lochte and his pals most likely acted like typical drunk bros do, except, in a foreign country. What were considered authorities in said country overreacted.
Bottom line is, in the end, both parties come out looking like fools. Simple as that.
You're right. He's a swell guy. I'm honored to have Ryan Lochte representing Americans.
Seek help.
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He played the ugly American role to perfection, and then has done nothing more then changed the story 3 times, and soft sold the apology.
He is a first class scumbag, and it has nothing to do with a pair of off duty cops letting him go for some minor cash
Lol, he knocked down a tattered poster in an alleyway and took issue with some rent a cops pointing a gun in his face as he was being shaken down for cash.
Yeah, what a scumbag.
It's coming out that the Brazillians are lying crooks and Lochte is still getting shit. Amazing.
Great, once you get off his junk, I'm sure he will send you a fanboy autograph you can hang on your wall.
He is and always has been a talented swimmer who is a fucking idiot outside the pool. He just emphasised that with immature acts while overseas representing his country, and then lied about it repeatedly while leaving his teammates to deal with it.
Yes the stupid fuck should have said nothing to begin with and walked away and nobody would have known a thing. Turns out what he told Matt Lauer later was pretty much what really happened according to the 2 swimmers that said nothing to begin with and apparently accepted by the police, as they were set free. Turns out the police lied more than he did, according to USA Today.
But what the hell, turns out basically Feigen was extorted..
Let's hear it for Brazilian justice. As I said, bad enough a drunk athlete made up a tail and embellished it. I'm not defending his/their actions. But if you don't think that the police and possibly the judge lied and that isn't worse, I don't know what to tell you.
Oh, you mean his 3rd version of the story? YAY!!! he told the truth 5 days later...He did not just make up a story, he got the fuck out of there and left his 3 teammates hanging while he got out and never said or did anything to help them UNTIL he had to. Lochte was the one who lied and created this mess, Lochte was the one who ran, Lochte was the last one to come clean while safely sitting in America.
I may be wrong, but I have yet to see 1 person in here "defending Brazilian Police", does anyone doubt they are corrupt? No, of course not Its Brazil. Which to any person with half a brain, especially one representing our country in the Olympics, means you don't go and screw around in that foreign country and not expect to have to pay. This is not some kid, this idiot is 32 years old and should know better.
Except he was still clinging to that same story 2 days later when he sobered up
If you hate Lochte for being a douchebag fratboy, than how can anyone root for a large portion of pro athlete's in the US? Is he a bigger douchebag than Draymond Green or Cousins who just won a gold medal for the beloved basketball team?
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He played the ugly American role to perfection, and then has done nothing more then changed the story 3 times, and soft sold the apology.
He is a first class scumbag, and it has nothing to do with a pair of off duty cops letting him go for some minor cash
Lol, he knocked down a tattered poster in an alleyway and took issue with some rent a cops pointing a gun in his face as he was being shaken down for cash.
Yeah, what a scumbag.
It's coming out that the Brazillians are lying crooks and Lochte is still getting shit. Amazing.
Great, once you get off his junk, I'm sure he will send you a fanboy autograph you can hang on your wall.
He is and always has been a talented swimmer who is a fucking idiot outside the pool. He just emphasised that with immature acts while overseas representing his country, and then lied about it repeatedly while leaving his teammates to deal with it.
Well aren't you just a witty wordsmith. Please dazzle me again with your asinine remarks.
A drunk guy pissed in an alley and knocked down a broken sign. Then exaggerated his story when SOMEONE ELSE made it public. Who the fuck cares? Oh, and left his teammates behind to deal with it? Last I checked, they were ALL trying to leave the country. But I guess Lochte should have made sure there were all on the same flight and sitting right next to each other. What a scumbag.
The fact that they were held up by gunpoint and robbed and then had another swimmer extorted in order to even leave the country is overshadowed by Lochte's exaggerated account is exactly what I expect from mental midgets like you. But go ahead and continue spew venom at the anti-Christ Ryan Lochte.
LOL...You embellish in that post about as much as he did in his story, forget the autograph, that crap just earned you some used speedos.
We get it, its all the fault of a couple of corrupt off-duty cops in a 3rd world country that made a 32 year old man embellish a story for attention, then bail on his teammates that he got in trouble, while continuing to lie 4 days later...Yup, that's it.
Where's that $10k being spent anyway? I'll give it a 1% chance that a charity sees that money.
If you hate Lochte for being a douchebag fratboy, than how can anyone root for a large portion of pro athlete's in the US? Is he a bigger douchebag than Draymond Green or Cousins who just won a gold medal for the beloved basketball team?
I don't know why Lochte's actions and Brazil being corrupt are mutually exclusive? Who did not know Brazil was corrupt? Its a 3rd world country with a huge drug problem, massive poverty, and corrupt officials. That is the reason as to why YOU DON'T give any possible chance of a situation getting to that point. If you have ever travelled extensively outside the US and enjoyed a few good times partying, you would understand the $50 they paid was getting off cheap, it's "i'm sorry" money. I have had to pay $25 for jaywalking in Mexico, saw a friend get squeezed for 500 Euro in Prague for pissing in an alley, a buddy paid $80 for knocking over a glass sign in Sasebo, Japan (they actually have a term for it "Gomen" money), and a guy forced to pay $30 while in the Navy for mistakenly breaking off a plastic part of a grill on a stupid Jeepny in the Philippines.
That is their culture and we as visitors have to understand that. Brazil is a nasty ass hell hole, which everyone knew and were repeatedly reminded off on our Olympic team, you would think a 32 year old man would understand that
I'm not exonerating his wrong doing, but his infractions were minuscule and he paid for it. Their country then extorted money from other Team USA swimmers which should be the story here.
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Yes. Because I am surely only referencing this one isolated incident. You stupid fucking troll fool. Is that proportional enough for you?
Where's that $10k being spent anyway? I'll give it a 1% chance that a charity sees that money.
How do you not know it will blow up when you're a World famous swimmer at the olympics, in a country overly sensitive about its rep for crime, telling a reporter you got robbed at gunpoint of cash and your wallet while a gun was put to your head?
The 10K is a joke, I don't defend the fact Brazil is a shithole at all, has nothing to do though with the actions of Lochte a 32 year old man throughout this situation.
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We get it, its all the fault of a couple of corrupt off-duty cops in a 3rd world country that made a 32 year old man embellish a story for attention, then bail on his teammates that he got in trouble, while continuing to lie 4 days later...Yup, that's it.
You mean the two rent a cops that actually committed a crime? I mean, we get that embellishing to your mother should be a crime, but it isn't montana. And unless "douchebaggery" is an offense in Brazil punishable by all the money you have on you, then Brazil broke their own laws again with Feigin. If you want to think Lochte is still the biggest criminal in all of this go right ahead, but you'd have to dream up some funny laws to do so.
I'm not exonerating his wrong doing, but his infractions were minuscule and he paid for it. Their country then extorted money from other Team USA swimmers which should be the story here.
You have to understand that things are done differently in other countries. In America what these off-duty cops did would get them fired and arrested. In Brazil they most likely get celebrated and a raise. That is why you don't screw around in those countries, and if you do you don't make a situation worse by antagonizing the guy holding the gun by trying to argue and walk off when they tell you to stop. This is his 3rd olympics, and God knows how many competitions overseas, he should know better at this point
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for hating Lochte. How do you know he left his teammates there anyway? Weren't their flight plans home already set? And if not, how would anyone know that it would blow up this badly to the extent where you'd be removed from your plane, questioned, held, then only allowed to leave after being extorted (which is illegal and can't be stressed enough).
Where's that $10k being spent anyway? I'll give it a 1% chance that a charity sees that money.
How do you not know it will blow up when you're a World famous swimmer at the olympics, in a country overly sensitive about its rep for crime, telling a reporter you got robbed at gunpoint of cash and your wallet while a gun was put to your head?
The 10K is a joke, I don't defend the fact Brazil is a shithole at all, has nothing to do though with the actions of Lochte a 32 year old man throughout this situation.
Your entire argument relies on Lochte being a 32 year old man. We get it, you think he's stupid (he is). But beyond that, what are you babbling about? Is the larger issue that Lochte is stupid or that their government just stole from American athlete's? And how is the $10k a joke? That's the entire point of how wrong this whole thing was.
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We get it, its all the fault of a couple of corrupt off-duty cops in a 3rd world country that made a 32 year old man embellish a story for attention, then bail on his teammates that he got in trouble, while continuing to lie 4 days later...Yup, that's it.
You mean the two rent a cops that actually committed a crime? I mean, we get that embellishing to your mother should be a crime, but it isn't montana. And unless "douchebaggery" is an offense in Brazil punishable by all the money you have on you, then Brazil broke their own laws again with Feigin. If you want to think Lochte is still the biggest criminal in all of this go right ahead, but you'd have to dream up some funny laws to do so.
LOL..Your post is rife with misconceptions.
First off he did not just tell his mother that story, he told a reporter there in Brazil the same story also, he then told it again to the press 2 days later.
Regarding Feigin, shocker! Brazil is a corrupt shitty country
The fact that Brazil sucks and Lochte's actions are not mutually exclusive, stop trying to justify what he did by pointing out Brazil is crooked, everyone knows they are.
Who in this thread is claiming what Brazil did is "Right"? I have yet to see anyone claim Brazi is in the right here
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for hating Lochte. How do you know he left his teammates there anyway? Weren't their flight plans home already set? And if not, how would anyone know that it would blow up this badly to the extent where you'd be removed from your plane, questioned, held, then only allowed to leave after being extorted (which is illegal and can't be stressed enough).
Where's that $10k being spent anyway? I'll give it a 1% chance that a charity sees that money.
How do you not know it will blow up when you're a World famous swimmer at the olympics, in a country overly sensitive about its rep for crime, telling a reporter you got robbed at gunpoint of cash and your wallet while a gun was put to your head?
The 10K is a joke, I don't defend the fact Brazil is a shithole at all, has nothing to do though with the actions of Lochte a 32 year old man throughout this situation.
Your entire argument relies on Lochte being a 32 year old man. We get it, you think he's stupid (he is). But beyond that, what are you babbling about? Is the larger issue that Lochte is stupid or that their government just stole from American athlete's? And how is the $10k a joke? That's the entire point of how wrong this whole thing was.
No its not, the 10K is a joke in that it is shitty for Brazil to stick that on him, its petty BS on their part. Its bullshit, but the fact remains that is Lochte's actions that led to this point. My posts are addressing those that want to give Lochte some kind of a pass over what he did over a period of days that led to this.None of this happens if not for him, and some in here are soft selling that
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I've been to other countries and know there's things I probably shouldn't do in them. But that doesn't make it right (which is what I am arguing). I fail to see how Brazil being Brazil should be tolerated, and that is essentially the backbone of your argument.
Who in this thread is claiming what Brazil did is "Right"? I have yet to see anyone claim Brazi is in the right here
My point is your entire focus is Lochte being a 32 year old douche. Fine. Now what? I don't think a single person would disagree with you, but we are saying that he isn't close to being the more wrong person/entity in this scenario. An avoidable scenario where damages were already paid for (if you can even call it damage) just showed the world how easily it is for a corrupt government to extort money from foreigners. That's a big deal, IMO.
I've never defended Lochte's actions and if you think that's what it's really about then you are sorely missing the point, not surprisingly. If anything, you are the one embellishing. Lochte exaggerated his story about a crime (that he didn't even report) and then admitted he exaggerated and changed some facts that still hold true. Big deal. His teammates (the ones that weren't extorted) have even come forward to say his accounts of what happened are accurate. And now it's coming out that Brazil was lying about he events and a crime actually was committed. Does it make what Lochte did right? No, but I'm sure many of us here have done way worse than pissing in an alley and ripping a tattered poster on the wall.
This is a story because the American media wanted their "scoop" and the corrupt Brazil wanted to extort the Americans for money. Sure, Lochte could have shut his mouth too but it wouldn't have changed the fact they were robbed and extorted. My only gripe has been that so many people have been quick to judge the American while little has been said how corrupt and wrong the Brazillians were in this whole situation.
Lets not make this like they were quietly exiting a restaurant after dinner and got held up.
They brought this entirely on themselves, both in action and then reaction to what took place.
Lets not make this like they were quietly exiting a restaurant after dinner and got held up.
They brought this entirely on themselves, both in action and then reaction to what took place.
Steve, nobody is saying that they weren't in the wrong with what they did but to dismiss Brazil's actions just because "you should expect to be taken advantage of" doesn't make it right or any less horrific. I'm willing to bet stuff like this happens at every Olympics and it's handled without an international incident that includes robbery and extortion. But yes, it could have been avoided by the swimmers. But what they did wasn't that awful either.
$10k is flat out robbery. If the guy paid a fine that fit the crime (maybe $250, or what it would cost for a public intoxication/urinating ticket/vandalism ticket) life would have went on, he would have been the Lochte the cancelled reality TV show douche. But that isn't what happened and its a far larger issue now, because Brazil made it that way.
I'd have this stance if it was Lochte, Phelps, Durant, or any other American.
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Anyone traveling to a borderline 3rd world country world expect that if they get drunk and vandalize private property they may be taken advantage of when it comes to reimbursements.
Lets not make this like they were quietly exiting a restaurant after dinner and got held up.
They brought this entirely on themselves, both in action and then reaction to what took place.
Steve, nobody is saying that they weren't in the wrong with what they did but to dismiss Brazil's actions just because "you should expect to be taken advantage of" doesn't make it right or any less horrific. I'm willing to bet stuff like this happens at every Olympics and it's handled without an international incident that includes robbery and extortion. But yes, it could have been avoided by the swimmers. But what they did wasn't that awful either.
Too be clear my point was that in that situation that if you get drunk and vandalize personalty property you should expect to be taken advantage of when it come to reimbursements.
That is why it is on them for both their initial behaviour and then how they reacted to it after the fact.
Everyone with half a brain knows that in certain places or situations you don't cause trouble without running the risk that it bites you in the rear. To make this largely out to be that he was simply wronged by being robbed is naive.
But beyond that even if you are convinced that nothing he did was that out of the ordinary or awful. Where he really kicked his dumb genes into gear was how he reacted to it. Don't talk about it and if it comes to light some other way simply play it down by saying someone must be blowing it out of proportion and yes regretibly he and a few swimmers used some bad judgment and as a result celebrations got a little out of hand and they unfortunately slightly damaged some bathroom property. They apologized and paid for the damage and that was the extent of it.
Had he done that the world doesn't know about it, and we aren't discussing it.
Like a modern day Leonides, that Lochte.
You're confusing "defending Lochte" with hammering the position that what Lochte did and what Brazil has done are morally equivalent.
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And keep trying to attach the crap Brazil is pulling as a means to justify and/or soft sell them. Don't sit and say "no one is defending him" when that is all you have been doing.
You're confusing "defending Lochte" with hammering the position that what Lochte did and what Brazil has done are morally equivalent.
Exactly...but that doesn't paint Lochte in a bad enough light so it's not good enough for the leader of his lynch mob.
I have never once condoned Lochte's actions and have even stated specifically many times that he's an idiot and what he did was wrong. Doesn't change the fact that this is a non-issue in nearly every other country when crap like this happens. Brazil takes it to a new low. And is now continuing this trend with the Irish.
LMAO
Maybe Lochte should go into politics.
Maybe Lochte should go into politics.
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then when shit started to hit the fan, he told another story, which if you are really looking to exonerate him, you can say somewhat matches the facts. Not the truth but a victim narrative that contains some elements of truth while leaving out things that make him look bad.
Maybe Lochte should go into politics.
But who will collect bro-tition signatures to make him eligible to run?
white 47.7%, mulatto (mixed white and black) 43.1%, black 7.6%, Asian 1.1%, indigenous 0.4% (2010 est.)
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Word is he finally agreed to do Dancing with the Stars this coming season and they pulled their offer off the table.
Anything short of being quartered by horses at the base of Christ the Redeemer is not enough.
Btw, his constant use of the made-up word over-exaggerated didn't help his case. Since"exaggerated" already makes the point, over-exaggerated sounds as if he is going for an excuse for his screw-up.
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ralph lauren and the parent company of gentle laser hair removal have all terminated their sponsorship agreements with lochte.
Anything short of being quartered by horses at the base of Christ the Redeemer is not enough.
Would you invest millions of your own dollars in him as a spokesman for your company at this point?