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NFT: HBO's The Night Of (8/21)

Ross : 8/21/2016 10:15 pm
One episode left and still not sure how it ends. So many possibilities...
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RE: i'm a big fan but  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 8/22/2016 9:04 am : link
In comment 13080803 3putt said:
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The courtroom stuff may have made good TV, but it was not very realistic.


So much this. I am SHOCKED at how awfully done the courtroom scenes are. They may be decent drama at times, but they are so unrealistic that it's hard to watch and enjoy. While I myself am not a lawyer, I work with lawyers, go to court several times per year, and I coach a Mock Trial team.

Watching those scenes is so frustrating just for the fact that none of it would ever happen. So much of the testimony would be inadmissable, so many questions would be immediately objected to by a halfway decent attorney. And why was Box a witness for the defense? (If you remember, before Box testified the 1st time, the prosecutor says "The State rests, your honor", meaning that the prosecution is done calling witnesses). My mock trial kids would try this case better than either of those two lawyers, one of whom is supposed to be a seasoned DA. Pretty clear the writers did zero research into how court actually works.

This show started off so strong and pretty quickly devolved into something that doesn't seem to have a real focus. Is this about the murder? Jail life? The criminal justice system? I am going to stick this thing out because there are only 90 more minutes, but I get more disappointed by how much promise this showed early on and what it has become with each passing episode.
i'm curious  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 9:08 am : link
where it differs from the original. Will likely give that a go once this finishes up.
Cap'n  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/22/2016 9:12 am : link
The defense called Box to the stand to testify that he removed evidence / tampered with evidence from a crime scene by taking the inhaler and giving it to Naz. They did it to build their case of reasonable doubt in two instances: 1) questioning the strength of the evidence by pointing out the lead detective tampered with the evidence; 2) and more desperately, to suggest that Box removed the inhaler because it didn't fit with the narrative and that even Box may have had reasonable doubts as to Naz being the killer.
I won't draw comparisons to a courtroom drama  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 9:16 am : link
we got 5-10 minutes of courtroom scenes and they had to just give us the 2 or 3 bits needed to move the show along. No doubt the show suffers from being only 8 episodes. If it were 13 we'd geat way more detail into the investigation and courtroom, but it just isn't possible.

I understand the gripes, but i'm still withholding judgement until we know how it ends, which is where the show really excels.
Why was it so important to the prosecutor Weiss  
Mr. Bungle : 8/22/2016 9:19 am : link
to embarrass Naz's classmate who bought amphetamines from Naz by suggesting Naz was a way better business student than he was? How was that a step toward helping them convict Naz? (And how did it even mean the kid was a bad business student? He didn't have a prescription and found a friend who did. I guess he should have negotiated price?)
RE: Why was it so important to the prosecutor Weiss  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 9:21 am : link
In comment 13080946 Mr. Bungle said:
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to embarrass Naz's classmate who bought amphetamines from Naz by suggesting Naz was a way better business student than he was? How was that a step toward helping them convict Naz? (And how did it even mean the kid was a bad business student? He didn't have a prescription and found a friend who did. I guess he should have negotiated price?)


She probably wanted him to feel like shit, and give up more information.
he was a prosecution witness right?  
RicFlair : 8/22/2016 9:26 am : link
so i guess she wanted any loyalty he would have towards nas to be gone, because the defense still had a chance to cross.
I understand her making the kid aware that Naz  
Mr. Bungle : 8/22/2016 9:30 am : link
took advantage of him by charging so much for each pill.

But that little part at the end about him being a lousy business student didn't make sense to me.
courtroom realism  
3putt : 8/22/2016 9:38 am : link
The cross of the defense pathologist wasn't bad. His willingness to say nice things about the State's pathologist in a speech was not about his view of that witness' credibility. Rather, it was an attack on his own credibility as an expert, showing that when hired to testify he would say whatever pleased the person calling him. he was, in effect, a "hired gun."
This show started really strong....  
Tesla : 8/22/2016 9:40 am : link
but just keeps getting worse and worse as it gets more and more unrealistic. They keep throwing out new suspects without any real follow up on them, the stupid kiss with the defense attorney, the stupid cat metaphor, the distractingly unrealistic trial scenes, etc. etc. etc. I'll stick with it out of curiosity but am very disappointed with the way the show has progressed.
RE: Cap'n  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 8/22/2016 9:42 am : link
In comment 13080936 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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The defense called Box to the stand to testify that he removed evidence / tampered with evidence from a crime scene by taking the inhaler and giving it to Naz. They did it to build their case of reasonable doubt in two instances: 1) questioning the strength of the evidence by pointing out the lead detective tampered with the evidence; 2) and more desperately, to suggest that Box removed the inhaler because it didn't fit with the narrative and that even Box may have had reasonable doubts as to Naz being the killer.


Box testified twice. You are talking about the second time he testified. I'm referring to the first time he testified when he had the "I'll take a mountain of evidence over a confession any day" line. This happened AFTER the prosecution said "The state (or prosecution) rests, your honor". Unless this is being told out of order (and there is no indication or reason for that be the case), Box is a defense witness. Super sloppy writing.
I really liked the episode other than  
steve in ky : 8/22/2016 9:47 am : link
having the attorney kiss him. I just couldn't buy that happening. Having her do that is the antithesis of what they led us to believe her character would do.

Along those line the dramatic and quick transformation of Naz I find unbelievable. Forget for a moment that any relatively smart person would know shaving his head and tattooing his fingers will hurt his chances in court. He simply changed much too quickly from scared clueless nerdy college kid to bad ass hardened criminal for be to believe it.
Capn  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/22/2016 10:02 am : link
I'm not sure where the confusion is. Box was called by the State. The State rested. The defense served a subpoena to Box to re-appear and testify.
Maybe I'm mis-remembering  
BlackLight : 8/22/2016 10:02 am : link
but I think Box did testify for the prosecution in an earlier episode. I think he was asked if he had any doubt as to Nas's guilt, and he said, 'None."

But that aside, if the defense wants to call the lead detective in their client's murder investigation to the stand, there's no reason they can't.
hard to critique Naz  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 10:06 am : link
he seems to enjoy prison life to a degree and we know he hated is life at home, so I don't find his transformation to be unbelievable. He also needs to adapt to survive and its hard to do that unless you are committed. He tried doing nothing and keeping his head down, and he wouldn't have lasted. His only option was to take Freddy's offer and look the part.
RE: courtroom realism  
Mr. Bungle : 8/22/2016 10:08 am : link
In comment 13080973 3putt said:
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The cross of the defense pathologist wasn't bad. His willingness to say nice things about the State's pathologist in a speech was not about his view of that witness' credibility. Rather, it was an attack on his own credibility as an expert, showing that when hired to testify he would say whatever pleased the person calling him. he was, in effect, a "hired gun."

He's under oath in court. He's not under oath at an honorary banquet.
I also thought  
BlackLight : 8/22/2016 10:13 am : link
Nas's adaptation to prison life seemed to go to quick. Nothing about his behavior on the outside seemed to suggest he was ever really "that guy."
RE: hard to critique Naz  
Mr. Bungle : 8/22/2016 10:14 am : link
In comment 13081039 UConn4523 said:
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he seems to enjoy prison life to a degree and we know he hated is life at home

When was it established that he hated his life at home?
I don't see him as a hired gun  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 10:14 am : link
he presented actual facts that the state's pathologist did not. Her DNA was, definitively, driven into the wood by the knife with her blood on it. That's enough to put reasonable doubt into the state's theory. He also seemed infinitely more thorough in his investigation.
RE: RE: hard to critique Naz  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 10:16 am : link
In comment 13081067 Mr. Bungle said:
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he seems to enjoy prison life to a degree and we know he hated is life at home


When was it established that he hated his life at home?


Hated could be a strong word but they've hinted several times that he didn't really enjoy his life before this all started.
RE: RE: RE: hard to critique Naz  
BlackLight : 8/22/2016 10:25 am : link
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he seems to enjoy prison life to a degree and we know he hated is life at home


When was it established that he hated his life at home?



Hated could be a strong word but they've hinted several times that he didn't really enjoy his life before this all started.


He's a 20-something kid, still living with his parents, no car, no social life, tutoring ungrateful jocks. Not too many guys would be happy under those circumstances, but that doesn't mean he's really a hard-ass under that mild-mannered exterior.
RE: RE: RE: RE: hard to critique Naz  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 10:32 am : link
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he seems to enjoy prison life to a degree and we know he hated is life at home


When was it established that he hated his life at home?



Hated could be a strong word but they've hinted several times that he didn't really enjoy his life before this all started.



He's a 20-something kid, still living with his parents, no car, no social life, tutoring ungrateful jocks. Not too many guys would be happy under those circumstances, but that doesn't mean he's really a hard-ass under that mild-mannered exterior.


I never said he was a hard ass underneath. Just stating that its been alluded to that he didn't love his life when he was a free man.

As for now being hard, are you really that surprised? 3/4 months, whatever it is, being in prison watching people around you get stabbed and raped, knowing your next unless you do something about it. Freddy saved him by giving him a lifeline and he's now paying for that. He essentially has no choice but to play the part.
RE: Capn  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 8/22/2016 10:33 am : link
In comment 13081022 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I'm not sure where the confusion is. Box was called by the State. The State rested. The defense served a subpoena to Box to re-appear and testify.


I'll take another look. I'm about 99% sure that the prosecution rests and the next thing you see is Box testifying at the trial. That's when goes over his mountain of evidence speech. I don't recall him testifying earlier in the episode or in last week's episode, but I could be wrong on that count. The subpoena was served after that and he testifies again about the removal of evidence. I'll check through the DVR later when I get home.
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BlackLight : 8/22/2016 10:44 am : link
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he seems to enjoy prison life to a degree and we know he hated is life at home


When was it established that he hated his life at home?



Hated could be a strong word but they've hinted several times that he didn't really enjoy his life before this all started.



He's a 20-something kid, still living with his parents, no car, no social life, tutoring ungrateful jocks. Not too many guys would be happy under those circumstances, but that doesn't mean he's really a hard-ass under that mild-mannered exterior.



I never said he was a hard ass underneath. Just stating that its been alluded to that he didn't love his life when he was a free man.

As for now being hard, are you really that surprised? 3/4 months, whatever it is, being in prison watching people around you get stabbed and raped, knowing your next unless you do something about it. Freddy saved him by giving him a lifeline and he's now paying for that. He essentially has no choice but to play the part.


"Playing the part" means sneaking drugs into the prison. He didn't HAVE to shave his head (the two other guys didn't). I don't think he HAD to tatt up his knuckles. He turned down drugs earlier on, now he's smoking crack every night.

If it turns out that Nas killed Andrea, this will all make more sense in hindsight. But if it turns out he's innocent, we're looking at a remarkably quick adaptation to a prison lifestyle.
I think  
ryanmkeane : 8/22/2016 10:50 am : link
people who hoped and want this show to just be about finding out who killed Andrea don't really understand or want to dive deep into the other themes. Yes, obviously, the show centers around the murder and I really fucking hope we find out in the finale.

But I, for one, really enjoy how the show has progressed into something other than just a 1 plot line find out the killer type thing.
The last 20 minutes  
ryanmkeane : 8/22/2016 10:53 am : link
of last night was absolutely brilliant. Loved the way they juxtaposed Box's being on the stand with him filling out the life insurance policy with him being celebrated. You can tell this is eating at him, and he thinks, or possibly even KNOWS, that Naz is innocent.
RE: RE: courtroom realism  
3putt : 8/22/2016 10:58 am : link
In comment 13081051 Mr. Bungle said:
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The cross of the defense pathologist wasn't bad. His willingness to say nice things about the State's pathologist in a speech was not about his view of that witness' credibility. Rather, it was an attack on his own credibility as an expert, showing that when hired to testify he would say whatever pleased the person calling him. he was, in effect, a "hired gun."


He's under oath in court. He's not under oath at an honorary banquet.


Absolutely. It still might effect his credibility with a trier of fact, and that's why I made the point that portion of the courtroom scene was realistic. It certainly would have been admissible against the witness on cross examination.
RE: I think  
Mr. Bungle : 8/22/2016 11:40 am : link
In comment 13081140 ryanmkeane said:
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people who hoped and want this show to just be about finding out who killed Andrea don't really understand or want to dive deep into the other themes. Yes, obviously, the show centers around the murder and I really fucking hope we find out in the finale.

But I, for one, really enjoy how the show has progressed into something other than just a 1 plot line find out the killer type thing.

People who are disappointed in the show are not disappointed because it isn't a straightforward "1 plot" whodunit. There are criticisms about character depth, development, and motivation. There are criticisms about realism. There are criticisms about abandoned subplots. There are criticisms about dialog. It's all in the discussions threads.
RE: What did Nas's mother say to Chandra  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2016 11:43 am : link
In comment 13080815 BlackLight said:
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in the bathroom, just before Chandra turned and walked out? I watched it 3 times and couldn't make it out.


She said "an animal did that" Chandra said "yes" and then the mother said "did I raise an animal"
What a lousy  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2016 11:47 am : link
detective Box turned out to be, some near retirement dude just mailing it in.

Plus he's a POS on top of being a lousy detective, now that there's another similar murder that pretty much casts legit doubt on Nas, he doesn't say anything letting an innocent man go to prison.

The pathologist  
RobCarpenter : 8/22/2016 12:27 pm : link
Being a hired gun doesn't mean he's not credible. And the prosecutor trying to poke holes at his credibility backfired when he got a laugh from the jury.

Also, the cross examination of the ME questioned his judgment from a previous case.

I've said this about 1,000 times and I guess we won't see a blood splatter expert testify at the trial, unless called on by the defense team. Which is unfortunate.

Separately, what the hell ever happened to Duane Reade? Stone was chasing him and then ???
RE: What a lousy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/22/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13081240 pjcas18 said:
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detective Box turned out to be, some near retirement dude just mailing it in.

Plus he's a POS on top of being a lousy detective, now that there's another similar murder that pretty much casts legit doubt on Nas, he doesn't say anything letting an innocent man go to prison.


PJ: Keep in mind how it seems to Box. A young girl was brutally murdered with a knife. A young man was witnessed to flea the scene after breaking in. A young man was then picked up for drunk driving after his cab got a ticket at the scene of the crime. There is also video of him refusing to take two men in his cab but did agree to take this specific woman. Had a lot of drugs in his system. He admitted being in her apartment that night. He admitted being there while she was murdered. He had her scratches all over his body (rough sex or a struggle?). He asked in the police car "Is she dead?" And on top of all that, he had in his possession a very bloody knife that could easily match the description of the knife used to slaughter Andrea.


Sure there are other things that we the viewers know about or think we know that create holes in the story and cast doubt on Nasir as the murderer. But if you're a detective, that is a mountain of evidence pointing to a slam dunk of him as the killer and that has to be really, really hard to cast away.
Here's my theory for whatever it's worth - Naz is found innocent  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2016 1:17 pm : link
but upon returning to society continues his turn towards criminal enterprise since it seemingly suits him and the circumstances of the case will have taken everything he'd previously been working for away from him (just as it's happened for his parents).

I think Duane Reade is killer since there's now been a second incident and he was the only participant with a violent rap sheet. Also makes sense that they handled his interaction with Stone the way that they did, to preserve the mystery, because had Stone simply turned the info over to police I imagine he'd have been taken in on his priors and possibly investigated/exonerated Naz earlier on. I could see the step father having paid him too.
RE: RE: What a lousy  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2016 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13081447 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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detective Box turned out to be, some near retirement dude just mailing it in.

Plus he's a POS on top of being a lousy detective, now that there's another similar murder that pretty much casts legit doubt on Nas, he doesn't say anything letting an innocent man go to prison.




PJ: Keep in mind how it seems to Box. A young girl was brutally murdered with a knife. A young man was witnessed to flea the scene after breaking in. A young man was then picked up for drunk driving after his cab got a ticket at the scene of the crime. There is also video of him refusing to take two men in his cab but did agree to take this specific woman. Had a lot of drugs in his system. He admitted being in her apartment that night. He admitted being there while she was murdered. He had her scratches all over his body (rough sex or a struggle?). He asked in the police car "Is she dead?" And on top of all that, he had in his possession a very bloody knife that could easily match the description of the knife used to slaughter Andrea.


Sure there are other things that we the viewers know about or think we know that create holes in the story and cast doubt on Nasir as the murderer. But if you're a detective, that is a mountain of evidence pointing to a slam dunk of him as the killer and that has to be really, really hard to cast away.


No argument on most of that from me, but the main question if I were Box would be:

1. Why does Nas have no blood on him other than his hand. I watch a ton of crime shows and they always check the shower or bath for blood, bleach, etc. If he showered and washed off the blood it would be nearly impossible not to know.

2. I'd expect the state CSI team to investigate similarly to Katz, and once the prosecution/CSI team had uncovered the same "doubts" they'd have answers for them and not seem inept in the courtroom

How was Katz able to determine they were playing the knife game? That had to be Nas telling his attorneys right? I can't imagine from a wound he could tell how she got it.

anyway I like the show, not complaining, just observing.
btw - overall I agree with many of the criticisms  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2016 1:27 pm : link
and think critics have overrated it best on a great first episode. There has seemingly been be a lot of csi information that would have brought some more clarity to the "did he or didn't he" aspect, which hasn't been explored much until this past episode. I'd say that's likely designed to give us extended look at the fallout for all involved parties, but at a minimum it seems that all the evidence corroborates enough of Naz's story that they might not have exclusively zeroed in on him as much as they did (blood on clothes being the #1 thing).
speaking about oz  
Rover : 8/22/2016 1:46 pm : link
Anyway to watch that show ondemand on TV or just on thwe app?
Was it realistic?
RE: speaking about oz  
RicFlair : 8/22/2016 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13081522 Rover said:
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Anyway to watch that show ondemand on TV or just on thwe app?
Was it realistic?


If you have hbo now, hbo go, or amazon prime you can watch it.
Curious  
ryanmkeane : 8/22/2016 3:29 pm : link
as to the timeline for the finale. Didn't the trial basically just start? Seems odd that this whole ordeal would be finished in the last episode.
RE: Curious  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2016 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13081773 ryanmkeane said:
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as to the timeline for the finale. Didn't the trial basically just start? Seems odd that this whole ordeal would be finished in the last episode.


the state already rested their case and the defense is calling witnesses. it's been rushed, but I think they're hitting the important points. It's also maybe an hour and 45 minute finale.

at least they blocked an hour and 45 minutes on the TV guide schedule but we all know that means maybe an hour and a half (or less).

regardless that should be enough time, when you consider they can do an entire movie in two hours.

Looking For a bitter ending  
Manning10 : 8/22/2016 6:06 pm : link
I just sense that Naz is going to die in prison before the verdict comes. This series is as much about the criminal justice system as it is in telling a story.
As far as Box is concerned , I think he was a really solid Detective who was counting the days to retirement and Felt he had an overwhelming amount of evidence and seemed to mail it in.
RE: Looking For a bitter ending  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2016 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13082088 Manning10 said:
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I just sense that Naz is going to die in prison before the verdict comes. This series is as much about the criminal justice system as it is in telling a story.
As far as Box is concerned , I think he was a really solid Detective who was counting the days to retirement and Felt he had an overwhelming amount of evidence and seemed to mail it in.


but you know he had doubts about Naz being guilty. and he did nothing. That was what I meant and sure there was evidence, but there was also a lot of holes that were easily discovered that he wanted nothing to do with.
I wonder if he's convicted  
RobCarpenter : 8/22/2016 7:04 pm : link
And we never find out who did it. Wow that would suck.
What's with that deer head  
liteamorn : 8/22/2016 7:18 pm : link
I remember a splatter of blood hitting it, without really seeing whose, they keep flashing to it but time seems to be running out.
RE: What's with that deer head  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2016 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13082138 liteamorn said:
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I remember a splatter of blood hitting it, without really seeing whose, they keep flashing to it but time seems to be running out.


In the beginning I thought it was a camera in the deer head, but after they showed the blood drop trickle down like a tear drop I felt like it was just symbolism.
RE: With one episode left,  
Sonic Youth : 8/22/2016 7:20 pm : link
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I really don't understand the point of some of the side stories, especially regarding Stone.

I thought the wretched feet thing was going to actually mean something at some point. Doesn't really look like that now. So we watched him pick at foot scabs with chopsticks for nothing?

What has been the purpose of the ex-wife and son? I thought the son liked him. Now all of a sudden he doesn't? And Stone spoke in front of Gooden's class, so his friends saw him. But then Gooden tells his friends, "I have no clue who that guy is"? I just don't follow what's going on there (and that's beside the fact of the obvious racial discrepancy).

The cat was a nice symbol of Naz at first, but they've gone back to it a little too much, in my opinion.

I don't have a sense for how much time has passed in the story. It feels like it's only been a few short months in time, even though it's likely been much longer, as high-profile murder trials often are. But have we seen the seasons change in New York? If it has been only a short time, Naz's character has changed too much in that short time, for me. If it's been a long time, how can we tell?

Where did Naz's brother go?

I'm no expert on the prison system, but are there really convicts who get away with as much as Freddy openly does? His cell is basically an open tattoo parlor, drug den, credit union, etc., with COs escorting convicts up there for private consultations. And the visiting room surveillance is really bad, since apparently you can routinely exchange contraband from twat to hand whenever you want. Does all this really happen in American prisons? I know Rikers has a terrible reputation, but it still seems like a dramatic stretch.

Why would a seasoned prosecutor like Weiss think she had an angle on that forensic pathologist based on some ass-kissing remark he made in a speech to honor that doctor? Very weak line of attack.

Why in the world would Chandra lean in and kiss Naz? Just catastrophically stupid for a character we've been led to believe was competent and focused. Just came from out of nowhere. Felt like a romantic conflict shoehorned in there for a few seconds. Even if it ends up affecting the case, it would be a pretty implausible way to wrap this story up.

I didn't like Box's line in the beginning about "Where are all the news cameras now?" regarding the black female victim. It was a preachy line, and why would a 33-year veteran detective even say that? Professionally, he's way, way past wondering things like that. It reminded me of the pandering moment earlier in the series when Naz's father wondered out loud, "What do they mean, 'organizations'?" The guy is a Pakistani immigrant living in NYC after 9/11. He knows damned well what they meant. He's Pakistani, not an idiot.

I'm ok with it ending next week. I wouldn't stick with it if it went on to multiple seasons. But I do want to see how they wrap it all up.
The feet will definitely come back, but I don't know how it will impact the story. Stone is going to relapse, otherwise why else would they show it over and over again?
Two threads on this sucks  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2016 7:22 pm : link
by the way. Not mad, but talking about the same things on both is hard to do.
RE: I wonder if he's convicted  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/22/2016 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13082128 RobCarpenter said:
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And we never find out who did it. Wow that would suck.


I think that's the way it'll go or he'll get convicted, then remember something that could exonerate him, and get killed in prison before he can tell anyone.

I think the ending will be shitty for him and possibly for the viewer.
I think the purpose of the feet  
Essex : 8/22/2016 10:11 pm : link
Is to show that you have to keep turning over stones, no matter how unconventional until you get your answer. Most of the viewers probably thought the Eastern medicine in that rundown storefront was junk science and a quack doctor, but it was because Stone kept searching for an answer that he was able to get a cure. I would assume in some way that is analogous to his investigation into Naz and how the unlikeliest of leads might turn into something that changes the dynamics of the case. For me, it's the cat and the inhaler, it is like right under Stone's nose, he was wheezing and allergic to cat, so the cat outside, saw the inhaler in the photo, but cannot put the pieces of that odd puzzle together that it was why the cat was outside and how someone got access to her apt.

I would say that as entertainment, I enjoy the show, but the courtroom scenes are just plain awful. These soliloquies with the witnesses are dumb and unrealistic and the makeout session with the lawyer was dumb, it came out of left field and really serves no purpose.
Ep 1 was HOF caliber  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/23/2016 2:51 am : link
But this hasn't been HBO pantheon caliber unless the finale is something else. I absolutely love the ridiculous amount of "misdirection" because you don't know what's legitimately important. But so much needs to be resolved in one episode. Ep 1 was amazing, if epLast is the same way then we have a show that belongs in that shortlist. If not, it's just a really interesting show I killed time with.
RE: Looking For a bitter ending  
Ross : 8/23/2016 10:04 am : link
In comment 13082088 Manning10 said:
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I just sense that Naz is going to die in prison before the verdict comes. This series is as much about the criminal justice system as it is in telling a story.

I 100% agree that he dies. I think they solve the crime and find him innocent but he dies before released.
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