I'm no expert so this is simply my take as a fan.
IMO it's too early for so much panic. The team has a new coach at the position so I think its fair to assume there is a certain amount a "learning" curve with a new system before the unit comes together and plays up to their full abilities.
Anyone remember when Spags came on board the first time around how awful the defense looked during preseason and even into the first few games of the season but then once they came together the defense became a team strength? And the OL is even more dependent on players working together for it to play well.
I'm not predicting they will be a team strength or even play well but I certainly think it is too soon to form any conclusions.
Of course overreaction is a long standing BBI tradition so it doesn't surprise me to read post after post about how the OL is going to be a disaster and every suggestion offered from bringing in new guys to trading away a draft pick for players but my take is simply lets just wait and see how it plays out before we panic. This is the team the organization put together. They obviously have some confidence there is something there. Lets just hope for no injuries so we can find out if they were correct.
I don't think it's an overreaction based on the past four seasons.
I think the Giants will still be a productive offense, but the state of the offensive line is a concern.
Every year, we see the same nonsense. How many times has a thread been starting theorizing that Nassib needs to play more at Eli's expense based on preseason results? This year, people are ready to set Nassib on a flaming ship to the Arctic Circle.
How many times to people latch onto a preseason hero, whether it be Sean Bennett, Frank Ferrerra, or Corey Washington, and then spend most of the year bitching about the idiot coaches who refuse to play these guys?
How often do we cheer a preseason game where our scrubs win but the starters lost or jeer a game where the starters leave with a lead and then the backups get shellacked?
How many threads are created trying to say that the coaches are asleep at the wheel with creativity - remember the Coughlin needs to tyry trick plays in the preseason threads? McAdoo is getting killed for the offensive showing this year. But it is floated out there that he's the smartest guy in the room trying to play Jedi mind tricks by sitting Eli week 1.
The only thing consistent about pre-season is it gives an excellent idea just who is and who isn't a good poster. Sort of like a game thread.
The Giants made a point to run the ball to the right. Generally speaking that's not going to be their bread and butter.
The line needs more talent but I dont see the offense being much different then it was last year. It will make big plays and score enough points to put us in position to win games. Not a great offense but definitely will be a good one.
Every year, we see the same nonsense. How many times has a thread been starting theorizing that Nassib needs to play more at Eli's expense based on preseason results? This year, people are ready to set Nassib on a flaming ship to the Arctic Circle.
How many times to people latch onto a preseason hero, whether it be Sean Bennett, Frank Ferrerra, or Corey Washington, and then spend most of the year bitching about the idiot coaches who refuse to play these guys?
How often do we cheer a preseason game where our scrubs win but the starters lost or jeer a game where the starters leave with a lead and then the backups get shellacked?
How many threads are created trying to say that the coaches are asleep at the wheel with creativity - remember the Coughlin needs to tyry trick plays in the preseason threads? McAdoo is getting killed for the offensive showing this year. But it is floated out there that he's the smartest guy in the room trying to play Jedi mind tricks by sitting Eli week 1.
The only thing consistent about pre-season is it gives an excellent idea just who is and who isn't a good poster. Sort of like a game thread.
With all of that behind us now, what do you think of the offensive line?
As for Nassib, he sucks. I'm tired of hearing Dottino blow smoke about how he has "seen every practice" and he looks great. He looks like shit in games. If Eli gets hurt they are fucked.
I'm the first to admit that evaluating the OL is tough because it is the unit on the field that the average fan has the least amount of info. Most of us don't know what to look for and we sure as hell don't know what the scheme is supposed to be to see if the players are adhering to it properly. The "name players" we know are ones that talking heads discuss, but we have very little first-hand knowledge on who is good and who isn't.
And to proclaim the OL shitty, great or mediocre based on two preseason games is pretty bad. It is even bad to make a determination after 4 preseason games, but people do it anyway. My take is that the OL needs to maintain status quo from last year and teh improvements on the D should translate into 3-4 more wins, which will be good enough for a playoff berth.
As for Nassib, he sucks. I'm tired of hearing Dottino blow smoke about how he has "seen every practice" and he looks great. He looks like shit in games. If Eli gets hurt they are fucked.
And Pugh to LT and Flowers to RT.
This is about sorting out the roster, who fits best where and who stands the best chance to move this team forward. They only have 12-13 practices, an in and out process of evaluation each game. You will NEVER see continuity during pre-season, especially with the constant shuffling and vanilla O and D...Some teams look great during pre-season, others don't. Either way it MEANS NOTHING or very little. In fact you're not going to see major continuity until at least a fourth of the season has played out, regardless of record, imv..
I perused the PFT headlines this morning and noted that Seattle and Philly are still addressing their OL..Most others are doubtless doing the same
This is about sorting out the roster, who fits best where and who stands the best chance to move this team forward. They only have 12-13 practices, an in and out process of evaluation each game. You will NEVER see continuity during pre-season, especially with the constant shuffling and vanilla O and D...Some teams look great during pre-season, others don't. Either way it MEANS NOTHING or very little. In fact you're not going to see major continuity until at least a fourth of the season has played out, regardless of record, imv..
I perused the PFT headlines this morning and noted that Seattle and Philly are still addressing their OL..Most others are doubtless doing the same
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Though TO ME, anything JPP says I divide by 10, there is little to no reason to worry..Unless hit hard by injuries, no team really should at this point, imo
And SOMETIMES, the Corner is wrong.
The 2011 WR Unit was a STRENGTH, not a disaster.
Odell Beckham over Zack Martin was a GOOD pick.
Eric Ebron was NOT necessary to fix the TE issue.
And so on...
It's preseason. Enjoy it.
I think when all is said and done they will have 6 serviceable or better OL. ( and I think Cleary has some promise too. Hart has upside he should start at RT sonNewhouse can go back to being a solid backup. I honk and hope this will be a pretty decent line by years end.
If same from starters. Then it's only preseason. If better, then this line is going to HOF.
We won't be making the playoffs until this gets fixed!
That being said, the criticism of the oline is out of hand. As pointed out by Banks and several BBI posters the TEs whiffing on blocks made the OL look bad. Indeed on several of the early handoffs if Donnell makes his blick there is a big hole up the gut. Im not as mad about keeping the OL intact as I am trying to sell us Larry Donnell and our "depth at TE" BS we've heard this month.
Also Will Johnson can help tremendously when he returns
If we stay healthy and flowers improves the line should be as good if not better than last year.
3 big Ifs.
to shabby either .
Major concern for many on here, but yet we easily could have been 10-6 had we had a D we've hopefully just rebuilt(or on the way to being) last year..And that's with a meh running game
Also, fair points have been raised about how atrocious the TE blocking has been. I focused on that last Saturday and it truly was pathetic.
Now, it's not the end of the world, but I'm not going to go all Bobby McFerrin either.
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Nothing was done during the off-season to change and improve it. At this point its reasonable to believe the O-line will continue to be a major concern; even more so when you look at how poorly they have performed in both preseason games.
Major concern for many on here, but yet we easily could have been 10-6 had we had a D we've hopefully just rebuilt(or on the way to being) last year..And that's with a meh running game
wonder how many of those games with L's in last few minutes of the game, would've been W's if they could run a 4 minute offense by running the ball..which they couldn't then leaving it to all the defenses fault (which D was bad granted)?
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Nothing was done during the off-season to change and improve it. At this point its reasonable to believe the O-line will continue to be a major concern; even more so when you look at how poorly they have performed in both preseason games.
Major concern for many on here, but yet we easily could have been 10-6 had we had a D we've hopefully just rebuilt(or on the way to being) last year..And that's with a meh running game
wonder how many of those games with L's in last few minutes of the game, would've been W's if they could run a 4 minute offense by running the ball..which they couldn't then leaving it to all the defenses fault (which D was bad granted)?
Could be..But, we HAD THEM ANYWAY despite a poor/inept running game..If you're saying a decent running game would have helped us avoid being put in the final seconds position in the first place, I'd have to agree..
Nobody expected these guys to be a great unit. But Flowers is healthy. The guys on the right were together for a good part of last season. They are not old men. These are your 2016 Giants. Play better.
The team has a top C, has a very good LG and and top 10 draft pick at LT -
Here are the FA RT who signed for more than 1 year: M. Schwartz, B. Massie, J. Webb, D. Penn - that is it. There is nothing special there. Did you really want M. Adams as a RT
How about LT - They looked at Okung - he has his issues. Is K. Beachum really a 9M LT. R. harris, C. Hairston & D. Stevenson - really.
Guards: K. Osemele, B. Brooks, J. Allen, JR. Sweazy & A. Boone all signed for over 6.7M per year, with Osemele at 11M. Is that list really that inspiring. Is Osemele worth 27M more than Yanda who is a better player
Do the Chargers have any remorse on signing O. Franklin in 2015 for his hefty price. He missed 6 games and was not good when he did play
It is hard to find OL
The team has a top C, has a very good LG and and top 10 draft pick at LT -
Here are the FA RT who signed for more than 1 year: M. Schwartz, B. Massie, J. Webb, D. Penn - that is it. There is nothing special there. Did you really want M. Adams as a RT
How about LT - They looked at Okung - he has his issues. Is K. Beachum really a 9M LT. R. harris, C. Hairston & D. Stevenson - really.
Guards: K. Osemele, B. Brooks, J. Allen, JR. Sweazy & A. Boone all signed for over 6.7M per year, with Osemele at 11M. Is that list really that inspiring. Is Osemele worth 27M more than Yanda who is a better player
Do the Chargers have any remorse on signing O. Franklin in 2015 for his hefty price. He missed 6 games and was not good when he did play
It is hard to find OL
But it's obvious they tried to come out and run the ball to the right. Which is what these meaningless games are for.
Regular season, they will Pass to set up the run.
This is about sorting out the roster, who fits best where and who stands the best chance to move this team forward. They only have 12-13 practices, an in and out process of evaluation each game. You will NEVER see continuity during pre-season, especially with the constant shuffling and vanilla O and D...Some teams look great during pre-season, others don't. Either way it MEANS NOTHING or very little. In fact you're not going to see major continuity until at least a fourth of the season has played out, regardless of record, imv..
I perused the PFT headlines this morning and noted that Seattle and Philly are still addressing their OL..Most others are doubtless doing the same
This is true, i don't recall a pre-season without "issues" under coughlin, but the giants were pretty competitive week 1 most years.
I know its hard for many to be patient, but its likely going to take time for a team to gel with this many changes... try to just enjoy folks !
I'm the first to admit that evaluating the OL is tough because it is the unit on the field that the average fan has the least amount of info. Most of us don't know what to look for and we sure as hell don't know what the scheme is supposed to be to see if the players are adhering to it properly. The "name players" we know are ones that talking heads discuss, but we have very little first-hand knowledge on who is good and who isn't.
We were really not a top 10 offense. That stat is so misleading. We never could establish a running game and were forced to pass extensively in the 2nd half of games. Gained a lot of yards trying to catch up. We could not score in the red zone. Our offense was Eli to Beckham.
Why couldn't we move the ball on the ground against 2 mediocre teams. I am tired of watching our Oline get pushed around even in preseason.
And to proclaim the OL shitty, great or mediocre based on two preseason games is pretty bad. It is even bad to make a determination after 4 preseason games, but people do it anyway. My take is that the OL needs to maintain status quo from last year and teh improvements on the D should translate into 3-4 more wins, which will be good enough for a playoff berth.
You're tired of seeing us pushed around? When the starters left the first game, we were up 10-0. Man, those "mediocre opponents" were just kicking the shit out of us!
that is a sin with a HOF QB finishing his last few years