NFT: Buffalo writer cries salty ham tears over Jimmy Vesey

There is greater chance they will be nothing then be something in the NHL.

lol @ this:

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Repeating: You were watching a player who was someone else’s property and just waiting to pounce. Not cool.

this kid certainly put a lot of pressure on himself.

A lot of writers are going to be eager to pounce on the failed Jimmy Vesey story.

And rightfully so, you (and your agent) make a spectacle out of yourself you have to back it up or be subject to the fall out.

I do think he'll be good though, really good, so it's a moot point, but the pressure is more than it would have been almost anywhere else except maybe Boston or Montreal.

but as an Islander fan I'm supposed to. Buffalo's fanbase/media is somehow randomly one of the most annoying ones in the league. Thanks for posting this. The butthurt is strong with them.

That would nurture an innate sense of grievance in anyone.

2014?

What's gonna happen if he's just average? He isn't going to be executed on live tv.

I love it when young players try and dictate things while taking all the risk and in the end succeeding --- as a result this gives all the writers and talkies the fucking vapors. "He can't do that what gives him the right!!!!" Actually he can do that he just did fuck nuts.

In comment 13081023 BrettNYG10 said:

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2014?

Nope. But the process with Hayes was far less drawn out and dramatic. He kind of had it narrowed down to like 3 teams from the get, IIRC. It wasn't a 10 team charade that included endless amounts of speculation.

In comment 13081023 BrettNYG10 said:

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2014?

I don't think so, probably because Blackhawks fans don't have the Everest-sized inferiority complex people from Buffalo have.

I can remember a few writers sniffing a bit about how Hayes thinks he's better than everyone else, but not much more than that. Certainly nothing like this.

As an NHL writer he should have been excited that his sport was drawing interest in mid-August but instead he cried & called the Rangers a bad team! Real pro! SMH

In comment 13081034 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13081023 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: 2014? Nope. But the process with Hayes was far less drawn out and dramatic. He kind of had it narrowed down to like 3 teams from the get, IIRC. It wasn't a 10 team charade that included endless amounts of speculation.

Plus CHI received draft pick compensation, since Hayes was a 1st round pick. Vesey was a 3rd round pick, so BUF (via NSH) gets nothing.

dis. The Lindros comparison is unfair and untrue.

is known as a major curmudgeon. When the Mets AAA team was in Buffalo he would rip them non-stop and basically celebrated when they left.

I still would have signed with Nashville if I were Vesey. I think they are a forward or two from being a favorite.

Fully "grown" men taking the torch to 20 somethings when they have the information that has been given to them. People do things as they see fit and guess what...we're all different. This lock step desire to see people do everything the way we would individually do it is a major reason why this country is a giant cluster fart right now. No one can do dick without being taken task publicly.

getting into. Vesey and his agent said before the NSH-BUF trade that they were going to go to free agency, and they said it after. The Sabres took their shot and failed. If Vesey was just going to sign with anyone, he would have just signed with Nashville and Buffalo would still be on the sidelines.

and rightfully so.
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collective bargaining agreement. Just sour grapes.

(and I would be saying the same of my Isles landed the kid), but to bitch and moan like that is actually sad to read.

In comment 13081071 Greg from LI said:

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getting into. Vesey and his agent said before the NSH-BUF trade that they were going to go to free agency, and they said it after. The Sabres took their shot and failed. If Vesey was just going to sign with anyone, he would have just signed with Nashville and Buffalo would still be on the sidelines.

Yeah, that's the funny part to me. Buffalo acquired him for distressed asset prices.

This column is nuts. Like a dumped drunk guy lashing out at everyone he sees.

"spent a lot of time and money developing him"? Am I missing something, or is that just a completely idiotic statement for Harrington to make?

They used a draft pick on him. The end.

In comment 13081137 Mad Mike said:

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"spent a lot of time and money developing him"? Am I missing something, or is that just a completely idiotic statement for Harrington to make?

really. he acts like they paid his tuition to Harvard.

"Facing Off" podcast piling on - whoever that is. Some of this is unintentionally funny. I didn't listen to the podcast, only read the link. "living in NY City probably won't be all that bad" I supposed when you compare it to Buffalo, it "might not be all that bad" LOL.

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Jimmy Vesey to the New York Rangers, I’m still at a loss for words over that landing spot. To me, the Rangers didn’t check any of the four boxes that Vesey should have been weighing in his decision: • Current Stanley Cup contender • Team on the rise • Hometown team • Elite centre to play with So what was Vesey thinking? I posed that question to Andrew Forbes in our debut episode of the Facing Off podcast. At the end of the day, it was Vesey’s decision and he’ll have to live with it. Living in New York City probably won’t be all that bad, but he’s got a lot of hype to live up to now. Rightly or wrongly, expectations are going to be through the roof for Vesey after generating all this free-agency hoopla. The circus is over, it’s time to actually perform.

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One point I forgot to make in the podcast is that Vesey is already in his prime. He’s not a “kid”, he’s a young man with a Harvard degree. He’s entering the league at 23 years old — the same age as last season’s Calder winner, Artemi Panarin — and that is considered a prime age nowadays. A players’ prime used to be 25 to 30 years old, or even 27 to 32, but with the game trending younger and younger — with teenagers breaking in on a regular basis — that prime window has been bumped up to 22 to 27. Vesey will debut within that window and the Rangers will be hoping he hits the ground running.

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what he or his agent did to cause this "circus."

Once he didn't sign with the Preds last spring, it was obvious he was going to hit free agency and I'm not sure what was wrong with them meeting with interested teams.

And playing with an old childhood friend probably didn't hurt the Rangers' case.

It was explicit - he told Poile that the reason he wasn't signing was not specific to Nashville but a desire to be a free agent and choose his destination for himself.

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what he or his agent did to cause this "circus." Once he didn't sign with the Preds last spring, it was obvious he was going to hit free agency and I'm not sure what was wrong with them meeting with interested teams.

the leaks, the tweets, the 7 teams, the 3 teams, the constant updates on shortlists and visits, etc. When you have a Jimmy Vesey watch crawler on nhl network you've reached douche-bag status, even if unintentional or through no-fault of his own.

some of it was his agent, some probably pure conjecture by beat writers, etc. and some maybe Vesey himself, but it's irrelevant. Like Lebron or others who've made a spectacle out of their FA decision Vesey will feel the ire of multiple people because of it, even from teams who were never involved.

In comment 13081223 pjcas18 said:

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Jimmy Vesey to the New York Rangers, I’m still at a loss for words over that landing spot. To me, the Rangers didn’t check any of the four boxes that Vesey should have been weighing in his decision: • Current Stanley Cup contender • Team on the rise • Hometown team • Elite centre to play with So what was Vesey thinking? I posed that question to Andrew Forbes in our debut episode of the Facing Off podcast.

LOL, what French dipshit ('centre') wrote this anyway? He acts like Vesey just signed with the Coyotes or something. Last I checked the Rangers have 3 very good "centres" (whatever that word is), one of whom is 23 y.o. and put up 51 points last year.

Second, they aren't "favorites" by any means, but this time of year 15-20 teams can be considered contenders. What judge and jury decided the Rangers have no shot this year? Really?

"Team on the rise" -- its a league of parity. Good luck figuring this shit out - the Oilers have been "on the rise" for a decade now. Two years ago everyone was on the Blue Jackets cock. And he's not locked in here for 10 years anyway, if things change in 3-4 years he can go somewhere else.

"hometown team" - he's a 23 y.o. living a whopping 3-4 hours from home. Do the writers expect him to want to live at home with his parents? WTF.

Always has been, for hockey.
Remember how they threw a fit that their complete tanking failed to get them McDavid?
For a team that has never won a thing, boy they are entitled.

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Sharks opened up at 80-1 odds last year. Penguins were 25-1 as of late February. There are probably ~5 'favorites' with 12-15 additional teams that could plausibly make a run if things break right (I'd throw the Islanders/Rangers in this category).

Top ten goalies according to NHL.com. Lundqvist #6. Their lists are terrible.
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In comment 13081616 BrettNYG10 said:

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Sharks opened up at 80-1 odds last year. Penguins were 25-1 as of late February. There are probably ~5 'favorites' with 12-15 additional teams that could plausibly make a run if things break right (I'd throw the Islanders/Rangers in this category). Top ten goalies according to NHL.com. Lundqvist #6. Their lists are terrible. NHL - ( New Window )

I agree. Pekka Rinne should be ahead.

has proven he is the best goalie, but he's also proven to be injury prone.

Looking at how that team fell apart after losing him and that torrid start is enough reason to put him atop the list.

He's probably going to be healthy enough for the world cup then get hurt.

In comment 13081620 Mike in Long Beach said:

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In comment 13081616 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Sharks opened up at 80-1 odds last year. Penguins were 25-1 as of late February. There are probably ~5 'favorites' with 12-15 additional teams that could plausibly make a run if things break right (I'd throw the Islanders/Rangers in this category). Top ten goalies according to NHL.com. Lundqvist #6. Their lists are terrible. NHL - ( New Window ) I agree. Pekka Rinne should be ahead.

Geddafuckouttahere

is on the list.

His team won a cup without him that they probably wouldn't have won with him IMO. He lost his only post-season start I believe.

or may not be, I'm getting more than a few laughs at the frequent description in media pieces and other team's blogs of the Rangers as an "aging" team. The Rangers have two forwards over the age of 30 on the roster, and one of them is Glass. The majority of the likely top 3 line candidates are 26 or younger - Stepan (26), Kreider (25), Hayes (24), Lindberg (24), Miller (23), Zibanejad (23), Vesey (23). Zuccarello is 28 and Nash is 32, and of course there's probably a decent chance Nash gets traded before the season begins. Yes, Hank isn't young, and Girardi and Staal play like 60 year old men now, but there's a lot of young talent.

In comment 13081001 BrettNYG10 said:

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lol @ this: Quote: Repeating: You were watching a player who was someone else’s property and just waiting to pounce. Not cool.

So now it's wrong to scout players? Jesus, this guy sounds like such a pussy

In comment 13081720 Greg from LI said:

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or may not be, I'm getting more than a few laughs at the frequent description in media pieces and other team's blogs of the Rangers as an "aging" team. The Rangers have two forwards over the age of 30 on the roster, and one of them is Glass. The majority of the likely top 3 line candidates are 26 or younger - Stepan (26), Kreider (25), Hayes (24), Lindberg (24), Miller (23), Zibanejad (23), Vesey (23). Zuccarello is 28 and Nash is 32, and of course there's probably a decent chance Nash gets traded before the season begins. Yes, Hank isn't young, and Girardi and Staal play like 60 year old men now, but there's a lot of young talent.

I think it's because people still feel like Hank "is" the Rangers. As Hank goes so do they. And when people say look at this young talent the Rangers will be competitive the next 5 years (as I've read on here after signing Vesey), reality is Hank turns 35 next season so I wouldn't guarantee any competitiveness the next 5 years.

Nash is 32 and maybe he's traded or not, but he's arguably the best all around forward on the team, even if he struggled statistically in 2015.

I don't underestimate someone like Kreider, you guys know I feel he should be elite, but he's not (and I'm not saying Nash is). Stepan? Maybe he's the best forward? Zuccarello? none of them are stars IMO.

but people who say the Rangers are old probably do so because their best player is old, and their arguably best forward is old and the top 4 D average age is probably 30 until Skjei cracks the top 4 and the young talent hasn't reached their potential.

And that limits them, but on the other hand they are a deep group of good young forwards so they should remain in playoff contention for a while.

Their biggest problem is the D, and that's going to be a tough one to solve.

I don't think the current roster would be a playoff team if they had an average goaltender. I think one of the stats guys ran numbers that suggested Lundqvist adds 6 or so wins a year, if you want to quantify it. If Lundqvist declines to average, I don't think the team is competing. Realistically, I think you can count on 2-3 more seasons of elite play. But that doesn't mean he immediately goes to shit. And who knows about the young G prospects they've got.

Theoretically, I don't think the D is that hard to solve, but it might take an off-season. Ideally, trade Nash or another forward for a young top-four guy, and have some mix of Skjei, new guy, Klein, McDonagh in your top four. If you have to wait a year, buy out Girardi and use that money to sign someone else.

More practically, I'm skeptical of the Rangers ability to evaluate defensemen - particularly when it comes to projecting aging curves. Gorton may different from Sather in this regard, however.

But I think the Rangers will continue to get above-average goaltending so long as he's on the job. Raanta played well in limited time last year, Talbot was great in not-so-limited time the year before that, and Shestyorkin has a lot of talent.

he's a nice player, but he'll be 32 middle of this season. Doubt we'd get much in return though.

I keep thinking there's a trade with St Louis that could make sense for both teams - something like Hayes & Klein for Shattenkirk and a 1st. Kind of a lot to give up for maybe just 1 year of Shatty, but Hayes is only locked up for 2 years himself.

They have a surplus of top 9 forwards and a dearth of defensemen. Buchnevich's deal lets him walk rather than be sent to Hartford. Something's gonna give.

after he reportedly payed such a big hand in getting Vesey. Might not go over so well.

Plus I'm excited about the prospects of those two playing on a line together, given their familiarity.

They have what you want -- lots of quality. Maybe no Luongo type prospect, but most very good goalies arent on that level as prospects. I really think what separates goalies at the top is the mental side and prep, and that is something that isnt usually measurable at age 18 or 19.

A good starter should shake out of the 5 prospects we have, and some of those guys have potential to be top 10.

I can buy that, Greg. It's just unlikely we get 'best Goaltender the past decade' caliber. Who knows what the team will look like in 2020 anyway?

I'm not a big fan of trading Hayes for Shattenkirk - a cost-controlled asset with upside for a guy who will make market value is a bad risk, IMO. I'd much rather trade Nash for one of the Ducks young dmen (not Fowler).

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