but I've always felt that the young, future building blocks we brought in during FA would prove to be a tremendous haul(on paper of course) regardless of the expense(given our cap situation)..
I don't see how you can look at the defensive personnel
And not be pretty impressed. Man for man this D is a very talented group. And it's not just the OV, JPP, Hankins, Harrison, Jenkins, DRC group who we know are top talents. I think that Collins is really looking like the top draft pick he was. Kennard can certainly play. Casillas has been much better than he's shown in the past. Thompson is everything and more a 3rd round choice could be. OO is flashing. This is a very underestimated group. I think a "top 10" defense.
I'm sure he won't be a starter this year, however, he could be the guy next year and I'm sure he'll contribute a bunch this year though as well. He was compared to Jeremiah Trotter of the Eagles, as far as his physicality and that's a great comparison IMO.
The remainder of the D, so far, has been exciting to watch and OV has been a significant factor. I'm wondering how much of a factor, however, he'll be in the 4th Quarter this year?! That's where we faltered last year the most.
Reading the JPP interview yesterday it sure seemed that he was taking credit for starting the extra sprints stuff. He said he's been doing thank since last year and OV has joined him this year.
They have the potential to be good as the 2011 DL and OV has looked downright explosive so far in preseason (I know it's just preseason).
Key to game 1 is going to be Snacks/Hankins vs Collins/Frederick/Martin inside. If the Giants can win that matchup, it'll be a long day for the Dallas O.
march down the field against our starting D? I'm not convinced
When was this? They were held to 2 first downs for quite some time. There was the big play to the TE Clay, but that's the series where they forced a turnover at the goal line.
march down the field against our starting D? I'm not convinced
When was this? They were held to 2 first downs for quite some time. There was the big play to the TE Clay, but that's the series where they forced a turnover at the goal line.
2nd touchdown. Early 2nd quarter. EJ Manuel & other backups drove with relative ease on our 1st team defense
march down the field against our starting D? I'm not convinced
When was this? They were held to 2 first downs for quite some time. There was the big play to the TE Clay, but that's the series where they forced a turnover at the goal line.
1st and 10 at NYG 49
(10:39 - 2nd) M.Gillislee left guard to NYG 43 for 6 yards (J.Brinkley, J.Jenkins). BUF-M.Gillislee was injured during the play
2nd and 4 at NYG 43
(10:14 - 2nd) D.Herron left guard to NYG 42 for 1 yard (K.Robinson)
3rd and 3 at NYG 42
(9:35 - 2nd) (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass incomplete short right to W.Powell. PENALTY on NYG-L.Hall, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 42 - No Play
1st and 10 at NYG 37
(9:30 - 2nd) E.Manuel pass short right to M.Goodwin to NYG 28 for 9 yards (D.Rodgers-Cromartie)
2nd and 1 at NYG 28
(8:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Herron right guard to NYG 25 for 3 yards (L.Collins)
1st and 10 at NYG 25
(8:13 - 2nd) E.Manuel pass short middle to D.Herron to NYG 25 for no gain (K.Robinson)
2nd and 10 at NYG 25
(7:33 - 2nd) (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short right to C.Gragg to NYG 11 for 14 yards (L.Collins, D.Kennard)
1st and 10 at NYG 11
(6:53 - 2nd) J.Williams right end to NYG 14 for -3 yards (K.Robinson)
2nd and 13 at NYG 14
(6:12 - 2nd) (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short left to M.Goodwin to NYG 2 for 12 yards (J.Jenkins, D.Rodgers-Cromartie)
3rd and 1 at NYG 2
(5:37 - 2nd) J.Williams up the middle to NYG 1 for 1 yard (L.Collins, D.Kennard)
1st and Goal at NYG 1
(4:54 - 2nd) Jonathan Williams 1 Yard Rush J.Gay extra point is No Good, Hit Right Upright, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-C.Schmidt.
First, it began in Giants territory, so it isn't like they drove the length of the field.
Second, it involved a defensive penalty. Not that the Giants should have committed a penalty, but statistically speaking drives that involve a defensive penalty are much more likely to result in a score.
Third, the run defense was very good. Look at just the runs on the drive.
6, 1, 3, -3, 1, 1. Total - 6 attempts for 9 yds.
It is true that they had success on that drive. It is also true that the Giants failed to stop them. It is true that the Giants struggled with the short passes.
It is unfair imo to use this preseason drive to indict our defense as being poor. There were positives to take away from it.
First, it began in Giants territory, so it isn't like they drove the length of the field.
Second, it involved a defensive penalty. Not that the Giants should have committed a penalty, but statistically speaking drives that involve a defensive penalty are much more likely to result in a score.
Third, the run defense was very good. Look at just the runs on the drive.
6, 1, 3, -3, 1, 1. Total - 6 attempts for 9 yds.
It is true that they had success on that drive. It is also true that the Giants failed to stop them. It is true that the Giants struggled with the short passes.
It is unfair imo to use this preseason drive to indict our defense as being poor. There were positives to take away from it.
The starting defense has looked much improved, especially versus the run up the middle, being able to generate pass rush pressure off both edges, and we're seeing many fewer receivers running free in the second and third levels of the defense. JPP and Owa and Hankins all look re-energized by the upgrades.
OV has a ton of physical talents and he's only 25, he's on the ascent and figures to only nearing his prime. Enjoy the ride.
huge improvement so far from last season but Steve Spagnuolo is still the DC and I'm not convinced he is a good one.
Who would you consider "a good one"?
People who get positive results on a fairly consistent basis as opposed to some of the worst in NFL history?
Well, like WHO? Got anybody in mind? My guess is that you haven't a clue.
Also, who do you think would have made more out of the talent level and injuries we've had? Got any names for us?
Ugh. I never suggested someone else should have replaced him over the off-season. I don't recall there being many options. I've always been a fan of Jim Schwartz. He was reportedly on the Giants radar after Fewell was fired. But he signed with the Eagles. I also feel like Vance Joseph is going to do a good job in his new role with the Dolphins. I have no idea if either was ever an option to sign here but I'd have preferred them if that's the sort of "clue" you're looking for.
Either way, that wasn't my point. I would assume the Giants took a similar approach with Spagnuolo as they took with Marshall Newhouse, which is - well, he's not really a long term solution but there wasn't anyone else out there that was better we had a shot at, so we'll just roll with what we have. Can't really fault them for that. I like the players on this defense but I'm not sure Spagnuolo will improve things enough to keep his job after the season. Obviously I'd like to be wrong.
As to your last question? I'm sure I could probably come up with some names that could have gotten more out of one of the worst defenses ever but...I don't really feel like it since its pointless.
First, it began in Giants territory, so it isn't like they drove the length of the field.
Second, it involved a defensive penalty. Not that the Giants should have committed a penalty, but statistically speaking drives that involve a defensive penalty are much more likely to result in a score.
Third, the run defense was very good. Look at just the runs on the drive.
6, 1, 3, -3, 1, 1. Total - 6 attempts for 9 yds.
It is true that they had success on that drive. It is also true that the Giants failed to stop them. It is true that the Giants struggled with the short passes.
It is unfair imo to use this preseason drive to indict our defense as being poor. There were positives to take away from it.
You conveniently don't mention that the last 2 1 yard runs were successful runs from our 2 and 1 yard line so trumpeting 6 att for 9 yds as "very good" is horrendously misleading. Also, fail to see why a defensive penalty should be dismissed? Again, this was buffalo's 2nd unit driving 50 yards on our 1st unit with EASE.
I'm not using preseason drives to indict our defense, I'm using last year's historically abominable defense to indict it and saying there's no evidence that's it fixed. If anything is "unfair", its using a preseason half to proclaim it is.
The remainder of the D, so far, has been exciting to watch and OV has been a significant factor. I'm wondering how much of a factor, however, he'll be in the 4th Quarter this year?! That's where we faltered last year the most.
Key to game 1 is going to be Snacks/Hankins vs Collins/Frederick/Martin inside. If the Giants can win that matchup, it'll be a long day for the Dallas O.
dood could get hurt, could not get to the QB ( he hasn't yet in good numbers ).
sheesh.
Massive impact ? sacks. 3rd downs late in games.
Is the guy going to perform when it matters ?
Who would you consider "a good one"?
When was this? They were held to 2 first downs for quite some time. There was the big play to the TE Clay, but that's the series where they forced a turnover at the goal line.
dood could get hurt, could not get to the QB ( he hasn't yet in good numbers ).
sheesh.
Massive impact ? sacks. 3rd downs late in games.
Is the guy going to perform when it matters ?
He's got 30 sacks his first 4 years in the NFL. How is that not good? How many guys get 30 in their first 4 years? Probably not many.
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march down the field against our starting D? I'm not convinced
When was this? They were held to 2 first downs for quite some time. There was the big play to the TE Clay, but that's the series where they forced a turnover at the goal line.
2nd touchdown. Early 2nd quarter. EJ Manuel & other backups drove with relative ease on our 1st team defense
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march down the field against our starting D? I'm not convinced
When was this? They were held to 2 first downs for quite some time. There was the big play to the TE Clay, but that's the series where they forced a turnover at the goal line.
1st and 10 at NYG 49
(10:39 - 2nd) M.Gillislee left guard to NYG 43 for 6 yards (J.Brinkley, J.Jenkins). BUF-M.Gillislee was injured during the play
2nd and 4 at NYG 43
(10:14 - 2nd) D.Herron left guard to NYG 42 for 1 yard (K.Robinson)
3rd and 3 at NYG 42
(9:35 - 2nd) (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass incomplete short right to W.Powell. PENALTY on NYG-L.Hall, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 42 - No Play
1st and 10 at NYG 37
(9:30 - 2nd) E.Manuel pass short right to M.Goodwin to NYG 28 for 9 yards (D.Rodgers-Cromartie)
2nd and 1 at NYG 28
(8:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Herron right guard to NYG 25 for 3 yards (L.Collins)
1st and 10 at NYG 25
(8:13 - 2nd) E.Manuel pass short middle to D.Herron to NYG 25 for no gain (K.Robinson)
2nd and 10 at NYG 25
(7:33 - 2nd) (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short right to C.Gragg to NYG 11 for 14 yards (L.Collins, D.Kennard)
1st and 10 at NYG 11
(6:53 - 2nd) J.Williams right end to NYG 14 for -3 yards (K.Robinson)
2nd and 13 at NYG 14
(6:12 - 2nd) (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short left to M.Goodwin to NYG 2 for 12 yards (J.Jenkins, D.Rodgers-Cromartie)
3rd and 1 at NYG 2
(5:37 - 2nd) J.Williams up the middle to NYG 1 for 1 yard (L.Collins, D.Kennard)
1st and Goal at NYG 1
(4:54 - 2nd) Jonathan Williams 1 Yard Rush J.Gay extra point is No Good, Hit Right Upright, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-C.Schmidt.
First, it began in Giants territory, so it isn't like they drove the length of the field.
Second, it involved a defensive penalty. Not that the Giants should have committed a penalty, but statistically speaking drives that involve a defensive penalty are much more likely to result in a score.
Third, the run defense was very good. Look at just the runs on the drive.
6, 1, 3, -3, 1, 1. Total - 6 attempts for 9 yds.
It is true that they had success on that drive. It is also true that the Giants failed to stop them. It is true that the Giants struggled with the short passes.
It is unfair imo to use this preseason drive to indict our defense as being poor. There were positives to take away from it.
First, it began in Giants territory, so it isn't like they drove the length of the field.
Second, it involved a defensive penalty. Not that the Giants should have committed a penalty, but statistically speaking drives that involve a defensive penalty are much more likely to result in a score.
Third, the run defense was very good. Look at just the runs on the drive.
6, 1, 3, -3, 1, 1. Total - 6 attempts for 9 yds.
It is true that they had success on that drive. It is also true that the Giants failed to stop them. It is true that the Giants struggled with the short passes.
It is unfair imo to use this preseason drive to indict our defense as being poor. There were positives to take away from it.
Now this is good stuff.
What are your reasons for thinking he's not a "good" one?
OV has a ton of physical talents and he's only 25, he's on the ascent and figures to only nearing his prime. Enjoy the ride.
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huge improvement so far from last season but Steve Spagnuolo is still the DC and I'm not convinced he is a good one.
What are your reasons for thinking he's not a "good" one?
small things like 3 of the worst defenses of all time on his resume'?
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huge improvement so far from last season but Steve Spagnuolo is still the DC and I'm not convinced he is a good one.
Who would you consider "a good one"?
People who get positive results on a fairly consistent basis as opposed to some of the worst in NFL history?
The expectation should be, as long as he gets his players on the field, that they'll do well.
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huge improvement so far from last season but Steve Spagnuolo is still the DC and I'm not convinced he is a good one.
Who would you consider "a good one"?
People who get positive results on a fairly consistent basis as opposed to some of the worst in NFL history?
Well, like WHO? Got anybody in mind? My guess is that you haven't a clue.
Also, who do you think would have made more out of the talent level and injuries we've had? Got any names for us?
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huge improvement so far from last season but Steve Spagnuolo is still the DC and I'm not convinced he is a good one.
Who would you consider "a good one"?
People who get positive results on a fairly consistent basis as opposed to some of the worst in NFL history?
Well, like WHO? Got anybody in mind? My guess is that you haven't a clue.
Also, who do you think would have made more out of the talent level and injuries we've had? Got any names for us?
Ugh. I never suggested someone else should have replaced him over the off-season. I don't recall there being many options. I've always been a fan of Jim Schwartz. He was reportedly on the Giants radar after Fewell was fired. But he signed with the Eagles. I also feel like Vance Joseph is going to do a good job in his new role with the Dolphins. I have no idea if either was ever an option to sign here but I'd have preferred them if that's the sort of "clue" you're looking for.
Either way, that wasn't my point. I would assume the Giants took a similar approach with Spagnuolo as they took with Marshall Newhouse, which is - well, he's not really a long term solution but there wasn't anyone else out there that was better we had a shot at, so we'll just roll with what we have. Can't really fault them for that. I like the players on this defense but I'm not sure Spagnuolo will improve things enough to keep his job after the season. Obviously I'd like to be wrong.
As to your last question? I'm sure I could probably come up with some names that could have gotten more out of one of the worst defenses ever but...I don't really feel like it since its pointless.
First, it began in Giants territory, so it isn't like they drove the length of the field.
Second, it involved a defensive penalty. Not that the Giants should have committed a penalty, but statistically speaking drives that involve a defensive penalty are much more likely to result in a score.
Third, the run defense was very good. Look at just the runs on the drive.
6, 1, 3, -3, 1, 1. Total - 6 attempts for 9 yds.
It is true that they had success on that drive. It is also true that the Giants failed to stop them. It is true that the Giants struggled with the short passes.
It is unfair imo to use this preseason drive to indict our defense as being poor. There were positives to take away from it.
You conveniently don't mention that the last 2 1 yard runs were successful runs from our 2 and 1 yard line so trumpeting 6 att for 9 yds as "very good" is horrendously misleading. Also, fail to see why a defensive penalty should be dismissed? Again, this was buffalo's 2nd unit driving 50 yards on our 1st unit with EASE.
I'm not using preseason drives to indict our defense, I'm using last year's historically abominable defense to indict it and saying there's no evidence that's it fixed. If anything is "unfair", its using a preseason half to proclaim it is.