Never considered the possibility of Gronk falling to me @ 2.8 in my 10 team league but the last 3 mocks I did, he's fallen. I don't know why people are suddenly passing on him but I wouldn't if he was still on the board there.
Doubt it happens in my real draft Sunday but I like to be prepared for all possibilities.
This is what I came away with when I took him.. not sure if I really love it or not. Would you want this team?
Eli, Taylor
McCoy, CJ Anderson, Foster, Gordon, Riddick
Beckham, Maclin, M Jones, Lockett, Smith Sr
Gronk
I always feel you let people manage their rosters and if they purposely start an injured or BYE week player for several weeks, then you kick them out of the league the following year.
I simply don't like being responsible for managing other teams rosters in my leagues.
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For you guys who do leagues with buy in's.. do you have a league "treasurer" that just holds everyones dues or do you use a league lockbox type of thing?
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
Chasing down money sucks. Our commissioner collects it and keeps it for the season, people usually pay with paypal or some still use a check.
we have a rule you have to pay by the draft, but there are always stragglers, and last year he was still chasing someone down in January after the season ended.
We're all friends so we don't want to be douche bags about it, but that sucks. worst part of the job if you get people that slow pay or don't pay.
I avoid being commissioner/treasurer.
Yeah, it's a pain.. our league is basically all guys from my hometown that I went to high school with, this is like a 10 year long standing league so I know everyone very well and even still, we had a guy last year that moved out to California just never pay (we kicked him out) so I got screwed out of 100 bucks last year. And another guy just for whatever reason can never pay on time.. always last minute. He's one of those people who is late for everything and would be late to his own wedding.
I guess I can just have everyone send me the money through Venmo/PayPal and I'll just leave it in my account until payouts.
This sounds exactly like my league, lol
agree, but my point was you allow the change in keeper if they bring it up in a reasonable amount of time, you don't chase them down to bring them the news and pester them to change keepers.
sometimes you have to let people be their own worst enemies.
QB - Newton, Mariota
RB - Rawls, Yeldon, Gordon, Abdullah, Ivory
WR - Hilton, Landry, Cobb, Shepard, Rishard Mathews, Fuller
TE - Kelce, Eifert
D- Carolina
K - Tucker
Any decent owner will then look into the injury themselves (if they didn't already) and give you a yes/no reply. And it's better to do it quickly rather than wait until 1-2 days before the draft since the rest of the league may be working on their draft strategies.
QB - Newton, Mariota
RB - Rawls, Yeldon, Gordon, Abdullah, Ivory
WR - Hilton, Landry, Cobb, Shepard, Rishard Mathews, Fuller
TE - Kelce, Eifert
D- Carolina
K - Tucker
I'm not really familiar with what auction drafts look like because I've never done one.. but you're really going to need Rawls to be "the guy" in SEA otherwise you might have a tough time with that RB group. At least you have both Yeldon and Ivory so if one really emerges over the other you won't be screwed. Just a lot of question marks.. you don't have one RB that you know is getting the lions share of the touches. I like to come away with at LEAST one of those.
But again, I really don't know much about auction leagues so this might not be something that is unique to your team.
QB: Brady + Tyrod Taylor
RB: McCoy
RB: Ryan Matthews
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Sammy Watkins
WR: Fitzgerald
TE: Ertz
K: Tucker
DEF: Giants
BN: Kevin White
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$200 budget. Some of the prices for the top guys were outrageous. $68 for Antonio Brown, $69 for Julio Jones, $65 for OBJ just to name a few. Most Rb's went for like 45-50. Anyway I sat back let the big guns go and just focused on landing middle round players. I couldn't bring myself to spending 25% of my budget on a player where 1 play could end his season. I went for depth. RBs prob my weak point as im taking a real gamble on some young guys.
QB - Newton, Mariota
RB - Rawls, Yeldon, Gordon, Abdullah, Ivory
WR - Hilton, Landry, Cobb, Shepard, Rishard Mathews, Fuller
TE - Kelce, Eifert
D- Carolina
K - Tucker
I'm not really familiar with what auction drafts look like because I've never done one.. but you're really going to need Rawls to be "the guy" in SEA otherwise you might have a tough time with that RB group. At least you have both Yeldon and Ivory so if one really emerges over the other you won't be screwed. Just a lot of question marks.. you don't have one RB that you know is getting the lions share of the touches. I like to come away with at LEAST one of those.
But again, I really don't know much about auction leagues so this might not be something that is unique to your team.
Yeah you kind of can go any way with an auction. It's like free agency almost. You have to put a value on guys and either stick to it or pay over for it. I chose to not pay over what I thought a fair price was. I tried weighing overall production in points vs what I'd spend. To me a 50-60 dollar player isn't going to get me 25% or higher point value production so I didn't spend it. It's def different as well seeing some guys with 2 top 10 backs but then having maybe 2 #3 type wr's as their top 2.
QB: Brady + Tyrod Taylor
RB: McCoy
RB: Ryan Matthews
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Sammy Watkins
WR: Fitzgerald
TE: Ertz
K: Tucker
DEF: Giants
BN: Kevin White
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You better hope the bills turn into the 99 rams. Way too risky for my liking.
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I've had so far. What do people think? Standard non-ppr 12 teams
QB: Brady + Tyrod Taylor
RB: McCoy
RB: Ryan Matthews
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Sammy Watkins
WR: Fitzgerald
TE: Ertz
K: Tucker
DEF: Giants
BN: Kevin White
Stopped there
You better hope the bills turn into the 99 rams. Way too risky for my liking.
I agree, I try not to have multiple players from one team on my roster but no more then two. With three starters from the Bills (till Brady returns), if they get shut down, that kills your week.
Plus looking at the schedule, Bills have 4 tough defenses during Brady's suspension, so you're starting Taylor, McCoy and Watkins vs....
Week 1 - @ Baltimore
Week 2 - vs Jets
Week 3 - vs Cardinals
Week 4 - @ Patriots
No easy defense in that 4 game span.
Gronk in the early to middle of the second round is going around where the likes of AJ Green is going. In standard Gronk was obviously the best TE and green was ranked 8. Green scored 4 more points on the season overall. The next best TE (Barnidge) scored nearly 30 points less than Gronk. By comparison, the next best WR after AJ (megatron) scored 14 points less than green. I think something should be said for the incremental value Gronk has over the next best TE compared to WRs going in the same range.
I notice that there are certain guys I just don't draft unless they're really sticking out like a sore thumb past their ADP..
Thomas Rawls
Devonta Freeman
Alshon Jeffery
Matt Jones
Duke Johnson
Ryan Mathews
Gio Bernard
Jordan Matthews
Rashad Jennings
Justin Forsett
It's not that I necessarily think these guys won't have value but there are always players I like more around the times they get drafted and never feel like these players are a "good" selection at that point in the draft. A lot of these guys just have red flags for me.
I actually did start 2 TE's quite a bit last year with Walker and Watson. My value with them (both FA pickups) is far greater than taking Gronk in the 1st. I'd consider him in the 2nd though since you cannot guarantee a FA acquisition but there's no way i'm taking him over a top tier or even 2nd tier WR (except maybe Dez since I hate his injury history, and would just take Lamar Miller in this scenario).
I'm not predicting the demise of Gronk, just I wouldn't pencil him in for last year's production or better.
but who knows, DeAndre Hopkins had the year he did last year with 4 different starting QB's (none good) and without Arian Foster most of the year, so anything can happen.
I notice that there are certain guys I just don't draft unless they're really sticking out like a sore thumb past their ADP..
Thomas Rawls
Devonta Freeman
Alshon Jeffery
Matt Jones
Duke Johnson
Ryan Mathews
Gio Bernard
Jordan Matthews
Rashad Jennings
Justin Forsett
It's not that I necessarily think these guys won't have value but there are always players I like more around the times they get drafted and never feel like these players are a "good" selection at that point in the draft. A lot of these guys just have red flags for me.
Rawls, Freeman, jones, and Jeffrey for me. I actually like Jordan Matthews a lot this year. Was underrated in fantasy last season.
I feel in general that Doug Martin is the consensus guy that people are letting slide. I see him in a lot of "avoid" lists. But he has probably the best handcuff in the league with sims, who was actually a good starter and an ideal flex bye week play. Is Martin the guy people are overthinking by avoiding him? I'm targeting sims regardless of Martin, but because of that I think Martin should be a solid pick?
I notice that there are certain guys I just don't draft unless they're really sticking out like a sore thumb past their ADP..
Thomas Rawls
Devonta Freeman
Alshon Jeffery
Matt Jones
Duke Johnson
Ryan Mathews
Gio Bernard
Jordan Matthews
Rashad Jennings
Justin Forsett
It's not that I necessarily think these guys won't have value but there are always players I like more around the times they get drafted and never feel like these players are a "good" selection at that point in the draft. A lot of these guys just have red flags for me.
Lamar Miller tops the list for me. Too much risk for me as a top 10-12 pick.
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I've had so far. What do people think? Standard non-ppr 12 teams
QB: Brady + Tyrod Taylor
RB: McCoy
RB: Ryan Matthews
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Sammy Watkins
WR: Fitzgerald
TE: Ertz
K: Tucker
DEF: Giants
BN: Kevin White
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You better hope the bills turn into the 99 rams. Way too risky for my liking.
I agree, I try not to have multiple players from one team on my roster but no more then two. With three starters from the Bills (till Brady returns), if they get shut down, that kills your week.
Plus looking at the schedule, Bills have 4 tough defenses during Brady's suspension, so you're starting Taylor, McCoy and Watkins vs....
Week 1 - @ Baltimore
Week 2 - vs Jets
Week 3 - vs Cardinals
Week 4 - @ Patriots
No easy defense in that 4 game span.
This is great insight guys thanks a lot!
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Players you're routinely avoiding @ or around their ADP this year?
I notice that there are certain guys I just don't draft unless they're really sticking out like a sore thumb past their ADP..
Thomas Rawls
Devonta Freeman
Alshon Jeffery
Matt Jones
Duke Johnson
Ryan Mathews
Gio Bernard
Jordan Matthews
Rashad Jennings
Justin Forsett
It's not that I necessarily think these guys won't have value but there are always players I like more around the times they get drafted and never feel like these players are a "good" selection at that point in the draft. A lot of these guys just have red flags for me.
Rawls, Freeman, jones, and Jeffrey for me. I actually like Jordan Matthews a lot this year. Was underrated in fantasy last season.
I feel in general that Doug Martin is the consensus guy that people are letting slide. I see him in a lot of "avoid" lists. But he has probably the best handcuff in the league with sims, who was actually a good starter and an ideal flex bye week play. Is Martin the guy people are overthinking by avoiding him? I'm targeting sims regardless of Martin, but because of that I think Martin should be a solid pick?
I actually like Jordan Matthews the player.. it's the knee bruise that I think is going to be one of those lingering things and the fact that their QB situation is going to be weird all year and it's a new offense.. just all these factors make me too wary of taking him. If he does fall a couple rounds below where he's usually drafted, I wouldn't necessarily avoid him completely.
Didn't Charcandick West come in last year and do well first when Charles went down?
Also, what happened to Knile Davis? Banished to KR only?
Didn't Charcandick West come in last year and do well first when Charles went down?
Also, what happened to Knile Davis? Banished to KR only?
Ware was better than West. That's who I would handcuff Charles with as well.
but who knows, DeAndre Hopkins had the year he did last year with 4 different starting QB's (none good) and without Arian Foster most of the year, so anything can happen.
Speaking of, am I the only guy not enamored with Hopkins this year? Had him last year and he helped win me a fantasy championship in my friends league... but his garbage time points were off the charts. Houston defense should be really good... i dont think he'll repeat last year's performance especially with what seems like bad feelings with the club over his contract this preseason.
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but who knows, DeAndre Hopkins had the year he did last year with 4 different starting QB's (none good) and without Arian Foster most of the year, so anything can happen.
Speaking of, am I the only guy not enamored with Hopkins this year? Had him last year and he helped win me a fantasy championship in my friends league... but his garbage time points were off the charts. Houston defense should be really good... i dont think he'll repeat last year's performance especially with what seems like bad feelings with the club over his contract this preseason.
The offense should be loads better as well. It's not like it's the Jaguars effect I mean the texans made the playoffs last year.
PPR Leagues - I'd rather select West as he's better in pass protection and as a receiver.
Value wise, it all depends on what type of league you're in. Their situation, if Charles got injured, reminds me of a poor man's version of the Bengals RBs with Hill (Ware) and Bernard (West).
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Spencer Ware with Jamaal Charles? In both my leagues Ware is drafted and West is a FA. I think Charles is a good bet to be injured at some point.
Didn't Charcandick West come in last year and do well first when Charles went down?
Also, what happened to Knile Davis? Banished to KR only?
Ware was better than West. That's who I would handcuff Charles with as well.
Not by much (looking at the stats), Ware had a very small sample size and West caught more passes (and was targeted more).
I don't have Charles so I don't really care, I'm not picking up West to handcuff to someone else's RB1 especially if he's not the handcuff.
I'll def target him with my 2nd pick if he's there.
I agree, it would probably be similar to a Hill/Bernard scenario. Ware just looked like the better RB to me but yes, if it's a PPR league he's going to lose some value because they didn't use him in the pass game.
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but who knows, DeAndre Hopkins had the year he did last year with 4 different starting QB's (none good) and without Arian Foster most of the year, so anything can happen.
Speaking of, am I the only guy not enamored with Hopkins this year? Had him last year and he helped win me a fantasy championship in my friends league... but his garbage time points were off the charts. Houston defense should be really good... i dont think he'll repeat last year's performance especially with what seems like bad feelings with the club over his contract this preseason.
The offense should be loads better as well. It's not like it's the Jaguars effect I mean the texans made the playoffs last year.
Not sure what you mean by Jaguars effect. I like JAX's offense this season.
I'm just not a fan of Osweiler either.
Dont get me wrong, solid 2nd round pick... but taking him over Dez, AJ or Julio Jones... I dunno.
Kid? Geez, I am 35 now. Getting old. Hows your daughter? Any other little ones? As for me, I am still me...haha
Two drafts on the 4th. In my bigger one, I have the 3rd pick and I should get OBJ. Targeting Charles, ARob in the 2nd, hopefully.
Cam (leading point getter in entire league.)
Charles
Hyde
Cooks
Dez
ARob
Michael Floyd
Eifert
Lockett
Lockett and Floyd I couldnt trade so they will get thrown back in. I traded Hyde and my 4th round pick after keepers for a guys 2nd round pick after keepers. I didnt want to lose him for nothing. I just traded ARob for a guys 1st round pick after keepers giving away another 2nd round pick I had as well.
I had Cooks, robisnon, dez, charles, adn Cam so I didnt want to throw one of them away for nothing and figured I needed a return investment and not many people were biting.
Am I asinine in keeping Floyd over Cam? I really think Floyd is going to have a monster year.
My keepers now are...
Cam
Charles
Cooks
Dez
Especially if it's 6 pts per passing TD/rushing TD for QB's.
I think Floyd will be good, but not good enough to not keep Cam.
Unless...you can re-draft one of them.
What are the odds of say keeping Floyd and then re-drafting Cam or vice versa?
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Rob Kelley - WAS
Jordan Howard - CHI
Reggie Bush - BUF
Shaun Draughn - SF
Javorius Allen - BAL
Kenneth Dixon - BAL
Mike Gillislee - BUF
Tyler Gaffney - NE
CJ Prosise - SEA
Charcandick West - KC
Alfred Blue - HOU
Alex Collins - SEA
None of these would be handcuffs for me
Especially if it's 6 pts per passing TD/rushing TD for QB's.
I think Floyd will be good, but not good enough to not keep Cam.
Unless...you can re-draft one of them.
What are the odds of say keeping Floyd and then re-drafting Cam or vice versa?
Its 4 points passing and 6 rushing. Your last question is what I am researching. The first guy is obviously taking Elliot. The next guy has the 2nd/3rd picks. He is keeping Wilson, so I know he wont be a problem. Picks 4-6 are the problem. And people are pretty tight lipped about this kind of things. I am pretty sure I am keeping Cam, and with the 7th pick/10th pick
7th pick - Cobb, Watkins (he wont be protected nor does he have a snowballs chance in hell to get to me.) or even a Moncrief.
10th pick - best RB available. Maybe a Langford, Hill could be available.
or
7th pick - take best RB available.
10th pick - Coleman from the Browns as a future long time keeper at WR.
Eli
Hyde, DeMarco Murray, Langford, Powell
Beckham, Cooper, Floyd, Sanders, White, Smith Sr
Gronk, Ertz
Rob Kelley - WAS
Jordan Howard - CHI
Reggie Bush - BUF
Shaun Draughn - SF
Javorius Allen - BAL
Kenneth Dixon - BAL
Mike Gillislee - BUF
Tyler Gaffney - NE
CJ Prosise - SEA
Charcandick West - KC
Alfred Blue - HOU
Alex Collins - SEA
None of these would be handcuffs for me
I'd say Allen and Prosise gun to head. But who knows.
Rob Kelley - WAS
Jordan Howard - CHI
Reggie Bush - BUF
Shaun Draughn - SF
Javorius Allen - BAL
Kenneth Dixon - BAL
Mike Gillislee - BUF
Tyler Gaffney - NE
CJ Prosise - SEA
Charcandick West - KC
Alfred Blue - HOU
Alex Collins - SEA
None of these would be handcuffs for me
Rob Kelley - WAS
Kelley has a good shot at starting week 1 with Matt Jones injury. Kelley has outplayed drafted rookie Marshall so far in camp.
Jordan Howard - CHI
He was the hot name after the draft to challenge Langford. From what Ive read, he's disappointed a bit and looked lost at times. He was the 4th RB to enter the game in the Bears first preseason game. Has upside in 2017, not so much this year.
Reggie Bush and Mike Gillislee - BUF
No real interest, just a broken down older version of his past self. Can't trust him even if McCoy did get injured. Not a fan of Gillislee either, as I think the rookie RB Williams if the best backup on the Bills.
Shaun Draughn - SF
One of my PPR sleepers at RB. I think he can catch 70-80 passes this year in Chip Kelly's offense.
Javorius Allen and Kenneth Dixon - BAL
Cluttered backfield and have no interest in any of the Ravens RBs this season.
Tyler Gaffney - NE
Injury prone unproven player. Great athlete, as he left college for a year to play professional baseball.
CJ Prosise - SEA
Great dynasty league prospect in PPR leagues but has been hampered by injuries majority of this off season.
Charcandick West - KC
Chiefs backup RB to own if in a PPR league, if standard go with Ware.
Alfred Blue - HOU
Have absolutely zero interest in him even if Miller got injured.
Alex Collins - SEA
Had an opening at real playing time as a rookie with both Rawls and Prosise injured but got outplayed by Christine Michael.
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or more to the point should I, in a deep 12-team PPR league:
Rob Kelley - WAS
Jordan Howard - CHI
Reggie Bush - BUF
Shaun Draughn - SF
Javorius Allen - BAL
Kenneth Dixon - BAL
Mike Gillislee - BUF
Tyler Gaffney - NE
CJ Prosise - SEA
Charcandick West - KC
Alfred Blue - HOU
Alex Collins - SEA
None of these would be handcuffs for me
Rob Kelley - WAS
Kelley has a good shot at starting week 1 with Matt Jones injury. Kelley has outplayed drafted rookie Marshall so far in camp.
Jordan Howard - CHI
He was the hot name after the draft to challenge Langford. From what Ive read, he's disappointed a bit and looked lost at times. He was the 4th RB to enter the game in the Bears first preseason game. Has upside in 2017, not so much this year.
Reggie Bush and Mike Gillislee - BUF
No real interest, just a broken down older version of his past self. Can't trust him even if McCoy did get injured. Not a fan of Gillislee either, as I think the rookie RB Williams if the best backup on the Bills.
Shaun Draughn - SF
One of my PPR sleepers at RB. I think he can catch 70-80 passes this year in Chip Kelly's offense.
Javorius Allen and Kenneth Dixon - BAL
Cluttered backfield and have no interest in any of the Ravens RBs this season.
Tyler Gaffney - NE
Injury prone unproven player. Great athlete, as he left college for a year to play professional baseball.
CJ Prosise - SEA
Great dynasty league prospect in PPR leagues but has been hampered by injuries majority of this off season.
Charcandick West - KC
Chiefs backup RB to own if in a PPR league, if standard go with Ware.
Alfred Blue - HOU
Have absolutely zero interest in him even if Miller got injured.
Alex Collins - SEA
Had an opening at real playing time as a rookie with both Rawls and Prosise injured but got outplayed by Christine Michael.
thanks, I think I'll keep an eye on a couple of them, the next CJ Anderson (of 2015 at least) could be from this list.
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but who knows, DeAndre Hopkins had the year he did last year with 4 different starting QB's (none good) and without Arian Foster most of the year, so anything can happen.
Speaking of, am I the only guy not enamored with Hopkins this year? Had him last year and he helped win me a fantasy championship in my friends league... but his garbage time points were off the charts. Houston defense should be really good... i dont think he'll repeat last year's performance especially with what seems like bad feelings with the club over his contract this preseason.
The offense should be loads better as well. It's not like it's the Jaguars effect I mean the texans made the playoffs last year.
Not sure what you mean by Jaguars effect. I like JAX's offense this season.
I'm just not a fan of Osweiler either.
Dont get me wrong, solid 2nd round pick... but taking him over Dez, AJ or Julio Jones... I dunno.
Well "experts" are expecting a regression in the jags passing game because tons of their production came in garbage time (Bortles had 200 yards and like 3 TDs in the 4th quarter of that patriots game).
I'm not huge on osweiler either but were you that much more of a fan of Hoyer and mallet? At worst i think he's as good as Hoyer. He gave Dtom and Sanders both sound fantasy value.
Only player I'd take over Julio is brown. But I'd take him easily over Dez (for injury concern) and probably over AJ. When was the last time an elite receiver was truly hamstrung by a shitty QB? Hopkins, Josh Gordon, Allen Robinson just off the top of my head had elite fantasy seasons with subpar QB play.
So I'm now forced to create one cluster massive 16 team league.
It's a PPR league and my initial reaction is to make it QB\RB\WR\TE\K\D and 3 FLEX starting positions. With the Flex positions, that should help people field a team rather then being force to player the #3 RB on the Raiders for example.
Also with a 16 team league and the player pool drying up, thinking of only allowing 6 person bench, so people don't stash people and only 15 players per roster and 240 players drafted.
Any thoughts, has anyone played in a 16 team league before?
I'm still shocked that there isn't more in depth material out there yet for auctions in this day and age.
ESPN and yahoo have live mock auctions, but they go to unrealistic shit quickly when people leave and go auto-draft.
If anyone has any favorite materials, I'd be grateful.
So I'm now forced to create one cluster massive 16 team league.
It's a PPR league and my initial reaction is to make it QB\RB\WR\TE\K\D and 3 FLEX starting positions. With the Flex positions, that should help people field a team rather then being force to player the #3 RB on the Raiders for example.
Also with a 16 team league and the player pool drying up, thinking of only allowing 6 person bench, so people don't stash people and only 15 players per roster and 240 players drafted.
Any thoughts, has anyone played in a 16 team league before?
You say "only" a 6 person bench. In my ten team league we have a 5-person bench, what is standard? 7?
I don't think I'd do a 16-team league (not you, since your boss is forcing you) as a participant. too much luck involved, one major injury and your whole team is derailed.
look at the fantasypros top 240. the names after that are not inspiring.
Zack Zenner, Benny Cunningham, Justin Hardy, how is that fun?
look at the fantasypros top 240. the names after that are not inspiring.
Zack Zenner, Benny Cunningham, Justin Hardy, how is that fun?
Good point, I just reduced the bench from 6 to 5 players. That will make 224 players drafted and leave a very minimum talent left on waivers.
I would think anyone would. But they're not being drafted at the same time. I took CJ in the 5th round of that mock, Ingram is always gone by the third.