Never considered the possibility of Gronk falling to me @ 2.8 in my 10 team league but the last 3 mocks I did, he's fallen. I don't know why people are suddenly passing on him but I wouldn't if he was still on the board there.
Doubt it happens in my real draft Sunday but I like to be prepared for all possibilities.
This is what I came away with when I took him.. not sure if I really love it or not. Would you want this team?
Eli, Taylor
McCoy, CJ Anderson, Foster, Gordon, Riddick
Beckham, Maclin, M Jones, Lockett, Smith Sr
Gronk
Anderson is going to be the lead back on what will be a run oriented team. In the 5th round I don't think he's a bad pick at all regardless of format but maybe that's me.
ppr it looks a little better
Who is better?
Dez or AJ Green
ppr it looks a little better
My team is similar, I had the 9th pick. I don't have a Beckham, but the rest is similar to that team in quality IMO.
QB: Brees/Carr
RB: McCoy/D. Murray/Langford/Abdullah/K.White
WR: Dez/A-Rob/TY Hilton/M. Jones/K. White/M. Thomas
TE: ertz
Flex would be my 3rd WR.
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it's not that great, and Gronk is falling rightfully or not because of Garoppolo, Bennett, losing Vollmer, and Edelman shaky.
ppr it looks a little better
My team is similar, I had the 9th pick. I don't have a Beckham, but the rest is similar to that team in quality IMO.
QB: Brees/Carr
RB: McCoy/D. Murray/Langford/Abdullah/K.White
WR: Dez/A-Rob/TY Hilton/M. Jones/K. White/M. Thomas
TE: ertz
Flex would be my 3rd WR.
I like this team better than the one I posted. I think Gronk is a major advantage over Ertz but you have a better QB, better WR's and I like your RB depth better.
Really why I posted this thread is because I can't seem to ever draft a team I like when I take Gronk but at the same time, if he was still on the board @ 2.8, could I really pass?
I just had this conversation with someone. You have to know your league. If you can easily trade then just go BPA and worry about positions after. If you cannot trade easily then do what is best for your team OVERALL. Lets say you have Dez ranked above Miller so naturally you take him but if the rest of the draft gives you value at WR are you going to keep going WR? I did that last year with RB. I had Freeman, David Johnson, Jeremy Hill, Ivory, Coleman, Latavius Murray, and someone else who I cannot remember. I couldn't trade any of them because everybody was lowballing me. I had Jordan Mathews as my top WR. I traded Gronk for Demaryius Thomas but it wasn't enough. It isn't that my backs underperformed or that they got hurt like people are afraid of. I just went BPA and it backfired because nobody likes to trade in my league.
So, going back to what I am saying. If it is hard to trade then taking a slightly lesser player early can help you maximize the value later in the draft. Do a mock. Every time I draft toward the end of the round in a 12 team league it is loaded with WRs.
I'd be very happy starting a team with something like Beckham, Nelson/Cooper, McCoy, Reed.. I've also considered Walker in the 6th if he's there. Maybe Olsen in the 5th.
I try to basically figure out spots where I would pull the trigger on TE/QB earlier than the 9th or 10th rd. If none of those scenarios play out, I just keep taking the best WR/RB's
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it's not that great, and Gronk is falling rightfully or not because of Garoppolo, Bennett, losing Vollmer, and Edelman shaky.
ppr it looks a little better
My team is similar, I had the 9th pick. I don't have a Beckham, but the rest is similar to that team in quality IMO.
QB: Brees/Carr
RB: McCoy/D. Murray/Langford/Abdullah/K.White
WR: Dez/A-Rob/TY Hilton/M. Jones/K. White/M. Thomas
TE: ertz
Flex would be my 3rd WR.
I like this team better than the one I posted. I think Gronk is a major advantage over Ertz but you have a better QB, better WR's and I like your RB depth better.
Really why I posted this thread is because I can't seem to ever draft a team I like when I take Gronk but at the same time, if he was still on the board @ 2.8, could I really pass?
I debated it. Gronk and Reed are the top 2 TE's kind of by a lot with Eifert coming back from injury (and maybe anyway even with a healthy Eifert).
but when I picked at 9, I didn't consider him, I was debating AJ Green, Dez, and Lamar Miller
at 12, I debated between Gronk, Allen Robinson, and Brandon Marshall.
if I was picking 18 and Gronk was there I don't think I could pass him up.
For the record, he went 13 in my draft.
So do I. I have said it for years.. I just never like the way Gronk teams come out. But I'm not really sure if it's just my perception because it means the team has one less elite RB/WR or if the overall team really isn't as good as it could be by waiting on TE.
I may get him on 18 in my draft. I am hearing 4 QBs will be selected by then!
Basically I am looking for this year's Eifert (couple years ago Jordan Cameron).
There's always one tight end like that.
Basically I am looking for this year's Eifert (couple years ago Jordan Cameron).
There's always one tight end like that.
I really like Julius Thomas later on. He seems to last until the 10th-11th rd in a lot of cases.
Basically I am approaching TE like I said before..
If Gronk is still somehow on the board @ 2.8, I'd probably take him. I don't like any TE in rd 3 (assuming Gronk is gone).. I would highly consider Reed @ 4.8, Olsen @ 5.3 or Walker/Fleener @ 6.8.. if none of those guys fall into my lap, I am fine waiting for Julius Thomas or Ertz. Dwayne Allen isn't being drafted until very late.. Witten isn't, either. A guy like Walford can emerge in OAK. Zach Miller is going very late. I am fine waiting for guys like that if none of the above scenarios present themselves.
What's the deal with Ebron? I remember it sounded like his injury was pretty serious but I haven't seen anything that says he's out for an extended period. But no one seems to be drafting him at this point.
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Is Fleener the consensus sweet spot pick for TE?
Basically I am looking for this year's Eifert (couple years ago Jordan Cameron).
There's always one tight end like that.
I really like Julius Thomas later on. He seems to last until the 10th-11th rd in a lot of cases.
Basically I am approaching TE like I said before..
If Gronk is still somehow on the board @ 2.8, I'd probably take him. I don't like any TE in rd 3 (assuming Gronk is gone).. I would highly consider Reed @ 4.8, Olsen @ 5.3 or Walker/Fleener @ 6.8.. if none of those guys fall into my lap, I am fine waiting for Julius Thomas or Ertz. Dwayne Allen isn't being drafted until very late.. Witten isn't, either. A guy like Walford can emerge in OAK. Zach Miller is going very late. I am fine waiting for guys like that if none of the above scenarios present themselves.
What's the deal with Ebron? I remember it sounded like his injury was pretty serious but I haven't seen anything that says he's out for an extended period. But no one seems to be drafting him at this point.
Witten is a FA in both my 10-team league and 12-team (though 12-team is not TE mandatory).
Everyone on my team last year I was the year too soon team.
I would go for Fleener and then Julius Thomas/Ebron.
Is Jimmy Graham a do not draft or will he have a big come back?
Who is better?
Dez or AJ Green
I like going WR/WR first two picks for PPR leagues. And I think the draft plays into that strategy with some solid mid-tier running backs later with high upside (Hill, Murray and Duke Johnson to name a few) As far as Green and Dez, I personally go Green all the way. I would even take ARob over Dez. First off, being a Giants fan I try to avoid Cowboys and second, Green is going to be the main focal point in their passing attack with Sanu and Jones gone. Arob will be in the top 15 in targets with immense talent. I am also making sure I get Marvin Jones this year. I think he'll be one of the best draft day values when its all said and done.
Everyone on my team last year I was the year too soon team.
I would go for Fleener and then Julius Thomas/Ebron.
Is Jimmy Graham a do not draft or will he have a big come back?
Graham is coming back from the same Cruz injury. I read two weeks ago how he was right on track, now I read he's not a sure bet to start the season on time.
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Ebron and Julius Thomas
Everyone on my team last year I was the year too soon team.
I would go for Fleener and then Julius Thomas/Ebron.
Is Jimmy Graham a do not draft or will he have a big come back?
Graham is coming back from the same Cruz injury. I read two weeks ago how he was right on track, now I read he's not a sure bet to start the season on time.
just to finish this point, I don't know I'd totally avoid him but for reference in my ten team (which requires a TE) he was mr irrelevant (last pick 15th round) and in my 12-team he went late 14th round.
Everyone on my team last year I was the year too soon team.
I would go for Fleener and then Julius Thomas/Ebron.
Is Jimmy Graham a do not draft or will he have a big come back?
Those were the two guys I was targeting for the early mocks, but not so sure now. The lions have a lot of options in the passing game (Tate, M. Jones, Riddick, Abdullah, Boldin now) Not sure if Ebron will get the volume expected with Megatron gone - wouldn't be surprised if I am wrong. And for J. Thomas, not sure if I can trust him since he hasn't done anything since Post-Manning. Again, not surprised if I am wrong. Fleener on the other hand I love, but I've seen drafts where he goes in the 5th/6th which seems risky.
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
Chasing down money sucks. Our commissioner collects it and keeps it for the season, people usually pay with paypal or some still use a check.
we have a rule you have to pay by the draft, but there are always stragglers, and last year he was still chasing someone down in January after the season ended.
We're all friends so we don't want to be douche bags about it, but that sucks. worst part of the job if you get people that slow pay or don't pay.
I avoid being commissioner/treasurer.
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For you guys who do leagues with buy in's.. do you have a league "treasurer" that just holds everyones dues or do you use a league lockbox type of thing?
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
Chasing down money sucks. Our commissioner collects it and keeps it for the season, people usually pay with paypal or some still use a check.
we have a rule you have to pay by the draft, but there are always stragglers, and last year he was still chasing someone down in January after the season ended.
We're all friends so we don't want to be douche bags about it, but that sucks. worst part of the job if you get people that slow pay or don't pay.
I avoid being commissioner/treasurer.
Yeah, it's a pain.. our league is basically all guys from my hometown that I went to high school with, this is like a 10 year long standing league so I know everyone very well and even still, we had a guy last year that moved out to California just never pay (we kicked him out) so I got screwed out of 100 bucks last year. And another guy just for whatever reason can never pay on time.. always last minute. He's one of those people who is late for everything and would be late to his own wedding.
I guess I can just have everyone send me the money through Venmo/PayPal and I'll just leave it in my account until payouts.
I'm the commish for my league and hold the money. Everyone knows you aren't drafting if you don't show up with the entry fee, its never been a problem.
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
I am commish, but we have a treasurer who collects/awards payouts. You need people to help out.
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For you guys who do leagues with buy in's.. do you have a league "treasurer" that just holds everyones dues or do you use a league lockbox type of thing?
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
Chasing down money sucks. Our commissioner collects it and keeps it for the season, people usually pay with paypal or some still use a check.
we have a rule you have to pay by the draft, but there are always stragglers, and last year he was still chasing someone down in January after the season ended.
We're all friends so we don't want to be douche bags about it, but that sucks. worst part of the job if you get people that slow pay or don't pay.
I avoid being commissioner/treasurer.
The issue with paying by the draft is what do you do if someone doesn't pay? Are you going to stop the draft? Are you going to find a new owner in minutes? I get the rule but that really isn't practical. In our league dues are due one month before the draft. If the owner cannot make the payment then he needs to set up some type of payment system with the treasurer so that he is tied to his team with money. If that still doesn't happen where he kind of puts a down payment down then that leaves us a month to find a new owner and get them up to speed on the rules of the league. We haven't had issues. We also send out reminds one month prior, a couple of weeks prior, and the week of.
I am in a league where dues are due by the playoffs and the commissioner gets frustrated every year. Last year 2 teams didn't pay and one was a playoff team. The playoff team wasn't allowed in the playoffs. The other team wasn't allowed in the toilet bowl. I won and was worried I wasn't going to get paid. The commissioner still paid me but he was hunting down those two owners for the money. Can you imagine being the team that made the playoffs, didn't pay, amd got kicked out of the playoffs? Why would that owner pay after the fact? He did but I would be a lot wouldn't.
I doubt Witten does much this year, but he does have the NYG as week 1 opponent going for him. Has the guy ever not scored a touchdown and had at least 8 catches for 60 yards in a game against us?
Commish shouldn't be on the hook for non-payment. Should've just reduced the payouts by that amount. The more people pissed about someone not paying, the less likely it is to happen again.
Not saying you have to do that, but if someone won't be present, I'd set a date where they have to send you money by. You may even want to collect payments on 8/1 (whatever date you decide) to make plans for anyone that hasn't paid.
Not sure what your buy ins are, but if you know you are playing fantasy and know the buy in is $200 almost a year in advance, you should be able to pay on time.
Commish shouldn't be on the hook for non-payment. Should've just reduced the payouts by that amount. The more people pissed about someone not paying, the less likely it is to happen again.
that makes sense, we're just never organized enough to do that. It's always mid-August and we say when can everyone draft?
Two years ago we had a guy bail day of the draft. Just said "I can't do it this year, sorry" 30 minutes before our Yahoo draft was scheduled. And we were all (except him) at one of our buddies houses. Yahoo doesn't let you adjust that time. that draft is happening.
so that would help avoid situations like we had. I had to get my brother to agree to be in the league and I drafted his team for him - which I hate doing. His team was awesome, better than mine wound up and he lost in the finals (on a GM lineup decision)
I had one guy who refused to pay me move money because he didnt like me. He wasnt invited back and I have had no problems ever since.
Some owners were texting me asking me who I thought the worst keeper was. I said hands down Lewis. I said if the owner lets me know by like tomorrow I would still let him drop him to get his pick back because the news just came out on Sunday. The owner I was talking with was why would you allow that? I said because people have lives, go on vacation, and cannot be up to date with information. However, if he said it like Friday I think that would be too late.
So, where do you draw the line? It isn't like this news came AFTER keepers were due. If it did I would have no issue alowing a change. This news camd out PRIOR which is what other owners had an issue with.
I texted the co-commissioner to discuss it. He said he would text the owner who kept Lewis. I was kind of uneasy about that because it isn't our job to manage other teams. So, every time there is an injury we should contact the owner about making a move? I don't like that slippery slope.
What would you guys do?
Some owners were texting me asking me who I thought the worst keeper was. I said hands down Lewis. I said if the owner lets me know by like tomorrow I would still let him drop him to get his pick back because the news just came out on Sunday. The owner I was talking with was why would you allow that? I said because people have lives, go on vacation, and cannot be up to date with information. However, if he said it like Friday I think that would be too late.
So, where do you draw the line? It isn't like this news came AFTER keepers were due. If it did I would have no issue alowing a change. This news camd out PRIOR which is what other owners had an issue with.
I texted the co-commissioner to discuss it. He said he would text the owner who kept Lewis. I was kind of uneasy about that because it isn't our job to manage other teams. So, every time there is an injury we should contact the owner about making a move? I don't like that slippery slope.
What would you guys do?
Our draft was Sunday, we had a guy keep Lewis with an 8th round pick, and it was too late by the time the news came out. We had already drafted.
In your case I'd do the exact same thing as you pre-draft. We have a rule that our keepers are due August 1 to allow people to strategize and plan for the draft, but up until the draft if you keep a player that is documented injured and out at least 4 weeks you can change your keeper. This was the "Jordy Nelson rule"
But no other reasons, like suspension, or trade, or anything like that.
So for your league in your case, pre-draft we'd allow a change in keeper.
I assume you are playing with your friends - bigger picture here, just inform them and move on.
Some owners were texting me asking me who I thought the worst keeper was. I said hands down Lewis. I said if the owner lets me know by like tomorrow I would still let him drop him to get his pick back because the news just came out on Sunday. The owner I was talking with was why would you allow that? I said because people have lives, go on vacation, and cannot be up to date with information. However, if he said it like Friday I think that would be too late.
So, where do you draw the line? It isn't like this news came AFTER keepers were due. If it did I would have no issue alowing a change. This news camd out PRIOR which is what other owners had an issue with.
I texted the co-commissioner to discuss it. He said he would text the owner who kept Lewis. I was kind of uneasy about that because it isn't our job to manage other teams. So, every time there is an injury we should contact the owner about making a move? I don't like that slippery slope.
What would you guys do?
Has the owner of the Lewis team said anything about it?
If they come out and say they weren't aware of his 2nd surgery and want to change it and it's a few days before the draft, I'd probably let them. I wouldn't go out of my way to contact them about it though. It's their team and their responsibility.
Blount feels like the only guy in that backfield you can ever rely on for anything (albeit, usually just early down and goal line work) because his role seems to be the most consistent.
Some owners were texting me asking me who I thought the worst keeper was. I said hands down Lewis. I said if the owner lets me know by like tomorrow I would still let him drop him to get his pick back because the news just came out on Sunday. The owner I was talking with was why would you allow that? I said because people have lives, go on vacation, and cannot be up to date with information. However, if he said it like Friday I think that would be too late.
So, where do you draw the line? It isn't like this news came AFTER keepers were due. If it did I would have no issue alowing a change. This news camd out PRIOR which is what other owners had an issue with.
I texted the co-commissioner to discuss it. He said he would text the owner who kept Lewis. I was kind of uneasy about that because it isn't our job to manage other teams. So, every time there is an injury we should contact the owner about making a move? I don't like that slippery slope.
What would you guys do?
It's a rare occurrence (once/twice a year, if that). Perfectly fine to give a buffer for last minute injuries or even allow guys being kept to be swapped out if they are injured after the keeper deadline but before the draft. Someone will be pissed that you allow it, but that same person would probably demand you allow them to switch keepers if it was their guy that got hurt.
And no reason not to double check with the owner via text/email as your co-commish did. Better to get a quick answer then find out the guy was on business trip/vacation and didn't see the news for 3 days.
So agree with Arc, I'd let them change it, but I wouldn't hunt them down to make sure they do.
We had a guy in my keeper league, pick 5 take Derrick Henry. Everyone else immediately laughed and did a double take and said "what?" and he said "Derrick Henry the rookie RB for Tenn from Alabama, the Heisman winner"
So what can you do. He's not a bad pick, but he usually went about 6 rounds later than this.
Last year this same guy picked 3 QB's in the first 4 rounds. he took Beckham in round 1, then Brees, then Peyton, then Brady (and for good measure added Garoppolo late for his 4th QB) and I ridiculed him mercilessly.
He lost in the finals.
Offseason keeper stuff... its the summer ... lets not take ourselves and the leagues no one cares about but us too seriously.
I always feel you let people manage their rosters and if they purposely start an injured or BYE week player for several weeks, then you kick them out of the league the following year.
I simply don't like being responsible for managing other teams rosters in my leagues.
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For you guys who do leagues with buy in's.. do you have a league "treasurer" that just holds everyones dues or do you use a league lockbox type of thing?
I took over as commish for my main league this year.. trying to figure out the easiest way to do this.
Chasing down money sucks. Our commissioner collects it and keeps it for the season, people usually pay with paypal or some still use a check.
we have a rule you have to pay by the draft, but there are always stragglers, and last year he was still chasing someone down in January after the season ended.
We're all friends so we don't want to be douche bags about it, but that sucks. worst part of the job if you get people that slow pay or don't pay.
I avoid being commissioner/treasurer.
Yeah, it's a pain.. our league is basically all guys from my hometown that I went to high school with, this is like a 10 year long standing league so I know everyone very well and even still, we had a guy last year that moved out to California just never pay (we kicked him out) so I got screwed out of 100 bucks last year. And another guy just for whatever reason can never pay on time.. always last minute. He's one of those people who is late for everything and would be late to his own wedding.
I guess I can just have everyone send me the money through Venmo/PayPal and I'll just leave it in my account until payouts.
This sounds exactly like my league, lol
agree, but my point was you allow the change in keeper if they bring it up in a reasonable amount of time, you don't chase them down to bring them the news and pester them to change keepers.
sometimes you have to let people be their own worst enemies.