NFT: Mets @ Cards @ 8:15 ~ Now or never, act IV ...

2015 Niese when he was red hot

turned down an Ike Davis for Zach Britton trade in 2014?

this bullpen would be nasty with Britton, Familia, and Reed.

though who knows if Familia would be Familia or Reed would be on the team if the trade happened.

If there was ever a time to make a contribution to this 2016 team, now is it.

very strong

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Neil Walker
Thank you all for the warm wishes. Baby Nora and Momma are doing great. God Bless

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This team literally NEVER scores runs and takes a lead and then follows it up with a quick frame. We give the runs right back every single time.

The Mets just can't get out of their own way.

give it right back. Knew it

hes hurt now. If you were hurt you shouldn't have taken the fucking mound

I can't believe I'm even letting this team annoy me again. Ugh.

as a reliever stuff? Not so much anymore?

The guy tweaks something every other game.

he's just shot. Blame the Mets for starting him tonight and trading for him.

unreal.

and leaves a sloppy mess for Gsellman.

Bringing back Niese might be the worst decision of Sandys Mets tenure. Collins would probably pitch Niese again tomorrow if he could. Moron.

Niese vs Cards in 3 previous starts: .348 BA, 7.31 ERA

In comment 13083571 arcarsenal said:

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The guy tweaks something every other game.

Maybe it keeps the cost down 😀

It's funny because it doesn't even matter how many runs ahead we get.. in SF we hit a grand slam and took a 4 run lead and deGrom not only gave all 4 right back in the same inning but they actually took the lead too. It doesn't matter who is pitching, it doesn't matter who we are playing against.. when we score runs and get out to a lead, it is a guarantee we will not follow it up with a quick, clean inning .

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Needs to be released

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Reyes and Cabrera clutch!!

Good lord...

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scoring 10 tonight... and losing

what's wrong with deGrom and why is he pitching? He looks disheveled.

Jon Niese officially left the game with left knee pain, per Rubin

James Wagner
Niese left the game with left knee pain, Mets announce. Also say that Niese didn’t feel it during bullpen. It set in during the game.

He was in the game about 3 minutes

I swear Collins wants to win the popularity contest among the vets, instead of playing to win the damn games

We all knew how this Niese start will turn out. SHORT.

Jeesh

In comment 13083607 Rflairr said:

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Jeesh

Jay Brutal.

poor guy needs to relax and stop striking out.

In comment 13083607 Rflairr said:

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Jeesh

Bruce's struggles continue. 0-for-2 today, now just 12-for-73 with 4 XBH and 6 RBI with the #Mets, per Michael Baron.

Did anyone NOT think Bruce was going to come here and absolutely suck? It was the easiest thing to see coming.

Strikes out a ton but hits a lot of bombs...just what the mets need, because they don't have enough of those already.

SMH

and that was a hell of a play by Cabrera. Middle infield defense is about the only thing that has gone right this year.

I want him on the team next season

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In comment 13083614 PhiPsi125 said:

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Strikes out a ton but hits a lot of bombs...just what the mets need, because they don't have enough of those already. SMH

While some of that might be true, Bruce has been absolutely dreadful as a Met. What he's shown hasn't really been indicative of the player he is but I have always said Bruce is a streaky dude. I remember people here were campaigning for Bruce LAST year over Cespedes at the deadline.

I think Bruce got in a slump when he got here and the whole lineup hit the DL simultaneously. He probably tried to overcompensate. Just a guess though.

Pick up. Dude kills lefties for his career and can play all 3 OF spots. I think I might like him over Lagares. lol

Bruce is our new Duda. Let him play 1st base.

the bats are swinging tonight. Keep it coming!

Jose.

Run Jose Run!

BTW. He's been "Lucroy-esque" Maybe he'll get hurt again but I dont think we could of asked for much more.

In comment 13083626 Metnut said:

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the bats are swinging tonight. Keep it coming!

Its a very strong lineup against lefties. We finally got some players back and Ill give Collins credit for playing the correct splits tonight.

6 runs and Cespedes and Bruce have done squat and Walker with his wife. That's nice.

our entire lineup get hot together... except for JB.

In comment 13083625 spike said:

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Bruce is our new Duda. Let him play 1st base.

Bruce couldn't hold Duda's jock strap but while Duda is out, sure. He'd certainly be better than that contact hitter, no power Loney guy.

the next start.

Fucking imbecile.

Lots of close pitches he's not getting.

In comment 13083621 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13083614 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: Strikes out a ton but hits a lot of bombs...just what the mets need, because they don't have enough of those already. SMH While some of that might be true, Bruce has been absolutely dreadful as a Met. What he's shown hasn't really been indicative of the player he is but I have always said Bruce is a streaky dude. I remember people here were campaigning for Bruce LAST year over Cespedes at the deadline. I think Bruce got in a slump when he got here and the whole lineup hit the DL simultaneously. He probably tried to overcompensate. Just a guess though.

I understand that he's not the player right now that he normally is. He's obviously slumping. I don't remember too many people lobbying for Bruce over Cespedes last year. I could be wrong but I just don't recall that. However, Bruce was talked about much more because he looked attainable while Cespedes was more pie in the sky type of addition. Nobody thought we were getting Cespedes. Complete shock.

Bruce/Cespedes made more sense last year than just adding Bruce this year to an already crowded OF. It was a desperation move in a dying season that didn't make much sense positionally, especially for next year. And, by God, the absolute last thing we needed was a streaky hitter that strikes out a ton. I would have rather kept Dilson.

In comment 13083637 arcarsenal said:

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Fucking imbecile.

Yup.

Since 8/1:

Tda - 2 homers / 3rbis / 760 OPS
Lucroy - 7 homers / 14 RBIs / 1050 ops

I'm glad tda is playing better, but he hasn't done all that much. He has 2 XBH (both homers).

Conforto still is raking? Who woulda thunk?

I swear, Terry and his crack coaching staff bring out the worst in players.

It's probably pretty annoying.

Sorry bout that.

In comment 13083639 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13083621 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 13083614 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: Strikes out a ton but hits a lot of bombs...just what the mets need, because they don't have enough of those already. SMH While some of that might be true, Bruce has been absolutely dreadful as a Met. What he's shown hasn't really been indicative of the player he is but I have always said Bruce is a streaky dude. I remember people here were campaigning for Bruce LAST year over Cespedes at the deadline. I think Bruce got in a slump when he got here and the whole lineup hit the DL simultaneously. He probably tried to overcompensate. Just a guess though. I understand that he's not the player right now that he normally is. He's obviously slumping. I don't remember too many people lobbying for Bruce over Cespedes last year. I could be wrong but I just don't recall that. However, Bruce was talked about much more because he looked attainable while Cespedes was more pie in the sky type of addition. Nobody thought we were getting Cespedes. Complete shock. Bruce/Cespedes made more sense last year than just adding Bruce this year to an already crowded OF. It was a desperation move in a dying season that didn't make much sense positionally, especially for next year. And, by God, the absolute last thing we needed was a streaky hitter that strikes out a ton. I would have rather kept Dilson.

I dont think that's really fair. Conforto was a complete mess all year. We desperately needed left-handed power and we also had just gotten the news about Duda being out for the year. If you really want to blame somebody, I guess blame Conforto because it forced Sandy's hand. And believe me... There 100% were posters here campaigning for Bruce last year (not that there's anything wrong with that). I certainly cited Cespedes as my target long before it happened also(just sayin).

As for the Bruce for Herrera deal? Eh... A year and half of Bruce is certainly worth Herrera on paper. Plus, Herrera has been dealing with shoulder issues all year that bears watching. Im betting Sandy could flip Bruce in the offseason for more than Herrera if he really wanted to actually.

In comment 13083641 Eric on Li said:

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Since 8/1: Tda - 2 homers / 3rbis / 760 OPS Lucroy - 7 homers / 14 RBIs / 1050 ops I'm glad tda is playing better, but he hasn't done all that much. He has 2 XBH (both homers).

Lucroy has gone on an amazing hot streak (no guarantees he would have done that here). Who's to say he also might have felt like he had to do more in an anemic lineup and gotten in a funlk?? The point is TDA has been good since. Very good. wRC+ 109 which is great for catchers. Lucroy career 112. Again.. He's been "Lucroy-esqe"

is throwing a defensive clinic tonight

In comment 13083644 PhiPsi125 said:

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It's probably pretty annoying. Sorry bout that.

Collins is a terrible strategist and in game manager most of the time. Hopefully with so many players back now we can win in spite of him but we dug ourselves in such a deep hole it might be too late.

would be appreciated

But to be honest, if people were lobbying for Bruce (and I believe you that they were) it's because he was one of the best players available that we were focused on and he was a good fit for the position we needed. It makes sense that people would talk about him. I just don't remember. Short memory, lol.

As for Conforto, you are right and he was bad which forced their hand. But it must be tough to get in a groove while playing for Terry when he shows no confidence in you and jerks you in and out of the lineup. And this was from the start, even when he was doing great earlier in the season. After all, Terry has told everyone that it's not his job to develop players. Which was a great philosophy for a rebuilding team.

In comment 13083655 PhiPsi125 said:

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But to be honest, if people were lobbying for Bruce (and I believe you that they were) it's because he was one of the best players available that we were focused on and he was a good fit for the position we needed. It makes sense that people would talk about him. I just don't remember. Short memory, lol. As for Conforto, you are right and he was bad which forced their hand. But it must be tough to get in a groove while playing for Terry when he shows no confidence in you and jerks you in and out of the lineup. And this was from the start, even when he was doing great earlier in the season. After all, Terry has told everyone that it's not his job to develop players. Which was a great philosophy for a rebuilding team.

I agree with that 100%. Players like Conforto need to work through their slumps. This year really was just a mess though. With so many players out plus Conforto sucking I just dont know... We were still 7-8 games over .500 leading up to the deadline. I kind of feel like we had to do something. I dont have any answers though. And as Im typing this Im watching Cespedes favor his leg again. Ugh.

I want Gsellman to go another inning.

This is a must win series, or even a sweep is necessary.

But he was also a great pickup. He filled in nicely. He's just plummeted back to career levels lately and it's really pissed me off. lol.

from Smoker over Edgin's slop 7 days out of the week.

Mr Smoker.

Phew

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In comment 13083664 spike said:

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Mr Smoker. Phew

get him out of here

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vs a lefty is the matchup Terry wants?

critical game situations that we have to execute.

unbelievable.

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What a bonehead move by Collins, and honestly on Sandy for even having him on the roster. He's likely the worst 1B in MLB in 2016 and has been worth negative 0.3 WAR in 2016. That means that any scrub from AAA can be called up and play better than this bum. Infuriating.

still up 6-4.... pen needs to holds tonight. lgm.

I'd be pissed off if I didn't see it coming. That, my friends, is the differnce between winning and losing baseball.

Flores OPS vs RHP .599
Loney OPS VS LHP .433

empty the bullpen tonight.

There has to be a better FA 1st baseman out there?

Or have Conforto or Jay Bruce play 1B

lame. Not at all comfortable with Henderson on the mound here.

In comment 13083705 spike said:

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empty the bullpen tonight. There has to be a better FA 1st baseman out there? Or have Conforto or Jay Bruce play 1B

Flores should have had that AB. You can blame Loney but TC just over managed

pitch a bunch of consecutive games?

In comment 13083709 Eric on Li said:

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lame. Not at all comfortable with Henderson on the mound here.

agreed.. not sure if I would trust Henderson in such a crucial situation

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In comment 13083717 arcarsenal said:

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Getting squeezed. Hometown call right there

Henderson

solo homer time!

solid. Some bite on the slider and a tight zone. Hopefully Terry remembers how bad Henderson looked on the second end of back to backs earlier in the season and doesn't run him into the ground again.

huge!!!

There you go!

TC is going to have to burn the pen if they are going to go on a run. The only innings eaters in the rotation now are Degrom and Syndergaard

As our pitching has hung on for soooo long and is now fallen apart.

DL Niese and let him sit

In comment 13083721 Metnut said:

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solid. Some bite on the slider and a tight zone. Hopefully Terry remembers how bad Henderson looked on the second end of back to backs earlier in the season and doesn't run him into the ground again.

TC has to alternate Robles and Henderson as the 7th inning man to prevent overuse

In comment 13083684 Metnut said:

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vs a lefty is the matchup Terry wants?

It's like he didn't realize they would bring in the lefty.

He is really an awful strategist

In comment 13083728 Ron Johnson said:

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TC is going to have to burn the pen if they are going to go on a run. The only innings eaters in the rotation now are Degrom and Syndergaard

Rosters expand in a week and fortunately for Mets they have some guys at AAA that can help.

Goeddel and Robles are both good pitchers who were over/mis-used by our bonehead manager. They will be fine if they get some extended rest

Why cant the Mets hit like him?

In comment 13083744 spike said:

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Why cant the Mets hit like him?

Why can't a woman be more like a man? - Rex Harrison

from Reed there. Faced some tough professional hitters.

Im happy that ball stayed inside the fence.

Come on bats, just one more insurance run

In comment 13083732 spike said:

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In comment 13083721 TC has to alternate Robles and Henderson as the 7th inning man to prevent overuse

I'm fine with this.

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Loney redeems himself with a hit in RiSP situation

but he's found ways to contribute.

Not Robles!

he's getting the pitches but just can't square 'em up.

I was hoping having Cespedes back would help him relax. But so far no luck.

still got some life.

a bad start. Need DeGrom to get back on track tomorrow night.

Or bat 6th.

Hes struggling out there

Gotta keep winning and stay healthy, esp Cespedes.


Big game for the Mets and DeGrom tomorrow vs Cards ace Carlos
martinez

Have to take 2 of 3 at minimum here.. a sweep would be huge.

he was slumping before the trade and he's still in one now, but he did have a couple big hits. If this team can keep rolling he will wake up at some point and have a big impact. I'd have preferred Lucroy's consistency (or Conforto not having a lost season) but I have faith Bruce will be a valuable contributor at a reasonable price.

ever had a good manager?

In comment 13083791 Ron Johnson said:

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ever had a good manager?

Davey Johnson. Bobby Valentine was above average and very intelligent.

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Terry Collins says Robert Gsellman would be the logical choice to start Sunday against the Phillies, especially if Jon Niese lands on the disabled list because of his left knee discomfort. - Rubin

go near the pitching mound. Not even in blowouts

In comment 13083795 spike said:

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In comment 13083791 Ron Johnson said: Quote: ever had a good manager? Davey Johnson. Bobby Valentine was above average and very intelligent.

2 above average in 55 years. not bad

He got stuck with some mentally frail players and a roster that got more flawed after 2006. Never really had the pitching to make an honest run, either.

Niese to DL, Goeddel called up

Mets have such luck with injuries
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In comment 13083795 spike said:

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In comment 13083791 Ron Johnson said: Quote: ever had a good manager? Davey Johnson. Bobby Valentine was above average and very intelligent.

Don't forget Gil Hodges

When we traded for him

for the young player to start his mlb career. He was needed and he came through.

In comment 13083854 sshin05 said:

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Niese to DL, Goeddel called up Mets have such luck with injuries Link - ( New Window )

Count me as one who is not too saddened by this news. Never have been a Niese fan.

for Bud Harrelson. How'd that work out?

Be careful what you wish for.