I am surprised that BBI isn't calling for Brown's head and I am not a troll just disappointed that there isn't a unified voice from BBI calling for him to be cut. Zero tolerance is what it is.
If he were on another team would we be this forgiving?
At this point who cares? It's out of our hands anyway.
I will say it seems like bad karma having this guy on the team. Added pressure if he has to make a big kick?
I read your post and was surprised that I had to dig several days back to find anything about it. I mean I hear you it is out of our hands but I expect the Giants to be out in front of something like this. No way this ends well.
At this point who cares? It's out of our hands anyway.
I will say it seems like bad karma having this guy on the team. Added pressure if he has to make a big kick?
I read your post and was surprised that I had to dig several days back to find anything about it. I mean I hear you it is out of our hands but I expect the Giants to be out in front of something like this. No way this ends well.
Hopefully they know more than we do and our making a sound decision. I think their silence (especially from ownership) is a bit cowardly but what can you do.
and in general. If you choose to (god forbid!) give someone the benefit of the doubt in a case like this, people will label you a misogynist/victim blamer/etc. Even if you say you're waiting for all the information to come out, people are just waiting to say I told you so.
No matter how it shakes out, there's not doubt Josh and his ex had some awful and trying times. Hoping they both wind up better for it.
but what about "...until proven guilty"?
Didn't some on BBI say we should hold judgment until we hear both sides of the story?
Have you never known women to lie?
Is it possible that they both drink too much?
Some of the people on here are just too sanctimonious.
because I know we don't have all the details but I was a little surprised he wasn't cut when McAdoo singled out domestic violence as the one thing he won't tolerate.
It was karmic kind of like Coughlin's "injuries are a cancer" comment in one of his early press conferences. When I read McAdoo said that about DV I knew he was asking for trouble just like Coughlin when he was going to solve injuries on a football team.
If he wasn't cut, you have to believe the team has their reasons and we as fans don't and may never know them.
but I doubt it impact the pressure he has on him. What's the worst that will add more pressure to him being called a wife beater at a visiting stadium? Dennis Potvin lived his career with it.
As far as I understand, there just isn't evidence there was anything but an incident that could barely be described as domestic violence. The DA didn't think it was. Am I missing something.
As far as I understand, there just isn't evidence there was anything but an incident that could barely be described as domestic violence. The DA didn't think it was. Am I missing something.
So why was Brown suspended for a game?
look at these photos and tell me he should be cut Â
I said after issuing a "we have a zero tolerance domestic violence policy" I was a little surprised he wasn't cut after being suspended for domestic violence.
I said after issuing a "we have a zero tolerance domestic violence policy" I was a little surprised he wasn't cut after being suspended for domestic violence.
As far as I understand, there just isn't evidence there was anything but an incident that could barely be described as domestic violence. The DA didn't think it was. Am I missing something.
So why was Brown suspended for a game?
You'd have to ask the commissioner. It's certainly CYA for the league which is not to say it wasn't within their guidelines. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a reasonable difference of opinion on the incident though.
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I think it's pretty obvious those who think he should be cut are basing that on the history of incidents, not just the specific thing last year. One is free to question the veracity of the wife's story about the prior incidents, but either way, the pictures from last year seem pretty irrelevant.
I was fortunate enough to know and meet many of the Giants on the teams from 1986-1993 and believe me, many were not exactly boy scouts. I detest what Brown has done alone with some of the others but at the end of the day, I root for the players who wear a Giant uniform and don't get caught up in their personal lives. I just want this team to win and leave all the personal crap in the hands of the organization.
In May 2015, the NFL was informed by the New York Giants of Josh Brown's arrest for an incident in his home involving his then wife. We began an investigation into the incident and circumstances surrounding it.
In the course of the League's investigation, our investigators became aware that his wife had filed a statement with the county court alleging previous altercations between the spouses. However, despite multiple attempts to speak with her about this incident and her previous statements, she declined to speak with us. We understand that there are many reasons that might have affected her decision not to speak with us, but we were limited in our ability to investigate these allegations.
Over the course of the 10-month investigation, we also made numerous requests—as late as this spring—to local law enforcement officers for information on the case and previous allegations. They declined those requests for information.
As a result of these factors, our investigators had insufficient information to corroborate prior allegations. In addition, no criminal charges were brought forward regarding the incident in question or prior allegations. The NFL therefore made a decision based on the evidentiary findings around this one incident as provided to us by the District Attorney.
The NFL made a finding that Mr. Brown had violated the Personal Conduct Policy. We did so based on the evidence of this one incident as presented in the police report, Mr. Brown and his wife's statements to police that evening, and his statements in interviews with the NFL.
The NFL Personal Conduct policy allows for discipline to be imposed even when criminal charges are not presented. It further allows for us to consider both aggravating and mitigating factors regarding discipline for domestic violence.
After reviewing the evidence in this one incident, we imposed a one-game suspension for violation of the personal conduct policy.
Mr. Brown and the NFLPA appealed this discipline, but the decision was upheld by a hearing officer. Link - ( New Window )
None of us should condone this, and I'm all for releasing Brown if it appears this is a serious issue, but we should wait until all the facts come out.
This is all some of us are saying.
Many posters said the same thing when the Ezekiel Elliott story came out in July, so it has little to do with Brown being a Giant. It really is okay to wait before you make a decision. Gathering all the facts is never a bad idea. We have to assume the Giants have all the facts...what they do with them we'll just have to wait and see. Link - ( New Window )
As far as I understand, there just isn't evidence there was anything but an incident that could barely be described as domestic violence. The DA didn't think it was. Am I missing something.
So why was Brown suspended for a game?
You'd have to ask the commissioner. It's certainly CYA for the league which is not to say it wasn't within their guidelines. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a reasonable difference of opinion on the incident though.
that's why you don't come out and say something like we have a zero tolerance policy on X or injuries are a cancer and a "mental thing that has to be corrected" when you have zero control over it.
you box yourself into a corner. Brown was suspended for domestic violence and he's still on the Giants, so it's not really zero tolerance. Don't say it if you don't mean it.
None of us should condone this, and I'm all for releasing Brown if it appears this is a serious issue, but we should wait until all the facts come out.
This is all some of us are saying.
Many posters said the same thing when the Ezekiel Elliott story came out in July, so it has little to do with Brown being a Giant. It really is okay to wait before you make a decision. Gathering all the facts is never a bad idea. We have to assume the Giants have all the facts...what they do with them we'll just have to wait and see. Link - ( New Window )
To be clear for the 5th time. I AM NOT SAYING BROWN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED OR SHOULD BE CUT.
now that that is out of the way again, McAdoo did however say that.
When he said he has a zero tolerance policy, and then had a player suspended for domestic violence, and allows that player to remain on the team it is not a zero tolerance policy.
that zero tolerance means an automatic release? I take it to mean that a violation will result in established punishments with increased punishments for repeat offender.
That the commish thinks its domestic violence doesn't mean the Giants do. The DA didn't think so. Did you look at those pictures. BTW, not saying you're wrong from a PR standpoint.
You are welcome sir. It is true that this topic could be used as way to troll a board. I am a lifelong Giants fan concerned with the way the organization is handling a particular issue and feel that others on this board are probably feeling similarly or differently.
I just don't see how cutting him is a bad move.
I agree, saying you have zero tolerance on anything... Â
that zero tolerance means an automatic release? I take it to mean that a violation will result in established punishments with increased punishments for repeat offender.
Reading comprehension is nice to see around here. Can you teach some of the others?
For the record, mcadoo never said he had a zero tolerance policy Â
He was asked at the end of a long press conference what he wouldn't tolerate and he responded saying domestic violence is something he feels strongly about
Randy, AP...re. Josh Brown
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My take on McAdoo's rigidity here is that, for purposes of this line of questioning, BM is the face of the organization.
And it's the organization that is not looking too swift here. As I understand it, the background to the JB suspension was known and was being looked into by the time last spring the Giants elected to stick with Brown and cut McManus. McManus has turned out to be a fine kicker with the Broncos.
The NFL has said, in effect, that the only reason JB did not receive a longer, League-mandated suspension for DV is that the wife and certain law enforcement authorities (for whatever reasons) did not cooperate with the NFL in providing further information as to the history between Brown and his ex-wife. But IF the Giants were aware of this at the time of the decision to keep Brown and jettison McManus, it leads to some pretty serious questions as to the wisdom of that decision, even before McManus has gone on to prove himself. He was not too shabby in camp last year.
My point is that the Giants FO may well be looking at this very seriously, less so from the possible personnel mistake, although that is significant, but from the NY Giants as a founding franchise of the NFL and how does it handle this and what message does it send to the League, to the players, to the fans, to the public by sticking with Brown.
This may all be percolating as we speak, McAdoo may be informed that this is a decision in process, and he is not willing to dig the "we support Josh Brown" hole any deeper until the organization resolves the question.
RE: For the record, mcadoo never said he had a zero tolerance policy Â
He was asked at the end of a long press conference what he wouldn't tolerate and he responded saying domestic violence is something he feels strongly about
True, he never used the words. He was asked what won't you tolerate and he answered with domestic violence. He could have said being late to meetings, something more vague like conduct detrimental to the team, any number of things.
but when he said this I cringed, and not that he should tolerate DV, of course he shouldn't but it's like saying we're not going to tolerate murder or rape, it's an assumed.
But with all the scrutiny on DV I felt like something like this could happen. Not in this exact way, but I remember Randy Moss being accused of hitting a woman during the 2007 playoff run heading up to SBXLII. Turned out to be extortion.
but it's a process and it takes a while. Anyway, my point was never about Brown, it was about PR, optics and McAdoo's response to what he won't tolerate.
that zero tolerance means an automatic release? I take it to mean that a violation will result in established punishments with increased punishments for repeat offender.
Reading comprehension is nice to see around here. Can you teach some of the others?
how "zero tolerance" 100% means a guy is no longer on the team when allegations happen.
Put aside due process for a moment - zero tolerance doesn't just mean a player is cut. Zero tolerance means there will be a punishment that could range from a suspension to other punishments to a release.
Schools in my area have a zero tolerance stance on bullying. That doesn't mean if a student bullies someone else they are expelled. They are usually suspended or sometimes just given detention.
Taken to the extreme, zero tolerance could mean getting blackballed from the league or whatever your imagination can think of - sort of like what happened with Ray Rice.
I think people are really misinterpreting what zero tolerance means.
The facts are clear off the field, Mr. Brown is a piece of shit. Despite those brilliant thoughts from that noted intellectual Jason Pierre-Paul, he should be cut loose. As a kicker, he makes most of the kicks-until you really need one. You don't win with a person like Josh Brown on your team as a kicker, and him being monster off the field isn't exactly good karma either. I'm embarrassed the Giants re-signed him, a very disappointing move.
The facts are clear off the field, Mr. Brown is a piece of shit. Despite those brilliant thoughts from that noted intellectual Jason Pierre-Paul, he should be cut loose. As a kicker, he makes most of the kicks-until you really need one. You don't win with a person like Josh Brown on your team as a kicker, and him being monster off the field isn't exactly good karma either. I'm embarrassed the Giants re-signed him, a very disappointing move.
I think the only fact that is clear is that you have brain damage
None of us know anything....morons speculate....shoe fits
The only reason why I'd have released Brown outright Â
is that the media isn't going to let this go, and it could be an ongoing distraction. No one knows outright what happened between Josh Brown and his ex-wife except Josh Brown and his ex-wife. It's jumping the gun to call him a monster off the field.
I think this article sites plenty of facts. Those facts make it clear he is a HABITUAL ABUSER. Like OJ Simpson was a a HABITUAL ABUSER. No season, or win, is worth having a guy like that on your team. I sense the Mara's and Tisch's either did not pay close attention to this, or were not aware of how bad his history was. I have a feeling he is going to be out of here after game one barring a catastrophe with the new guy. It should not be dependent on that though, he needs to be gone now. Link - ( New Window )
I think this article sites plenty of facts. Those facts make it clear he is a HABITUAL ABUSER. Like OJ Simpson was a a HABITUAL ABUSER. No season, or win, is worth having a guy like that on your team. I sense the Mara's and Tisch's either did not pay close attention to this, or were not aware of how bad his history was. I have a feeling he is going to be out of here after game one barring a catastrophe with the new guy. It should not be dependent on that though, he needs to be gone now. Link - ( New Window )
Two sides to every story Einstein
Everyone is entitled to due process
That fact you can't see that speaks volumes about your intelligence level
I'd want him gone today if any of this can be proven...even if not in a court of law.
For example, the letter that his ex-wife says he sent to friends admitting he'd abused her....are any copies available?
Neighbors that she claims heard the arguments and abuse, whey have none come forward?
She claims 20 separate events, disgusting if true. Surely there is some proof of something occurring?
As to the media screaming for the Giants to say something, I am unclear as to what they could say.
They have accusations from the ex-wife, who will not cooperate, and very little from the police. The photos submitted seem to indicate very little.
I can only imagine that they are investigating this very closely.
I want Brown gone if any of this abuse is true.
However, is it possible this is a quarrel between now ex-spouses that has led to false accusation?
I surely would not want to accuse an abused wife of that, but as his employer the Giants need to be careful not to jump to that conclusion.
at the end of this incident, to wit, "Brown's ex-wife displayed behaviors and mannerisms consistent with someone in regular fear. I do not believe this to have been a 'put-on' for show."
I suspect he abused her multiple times. I also suspect that she intended to file for divorce and, once divorced, realized she could anticipate more alimony if Josh remained an NFL player than if he were suspended or cut. So she chose to walk away from the prosecution.
As for McAdoo, I think he was waiting to see what the NFL did before deciding what the Giants should do. If the league said that Brown wouldn't be penalized be cause he wasn't prosecuted, then the Giants might have suspended him themselves. McAdoo cagily has let the NFL exact a punishment, so the Giants don't need to.
prohibitions from the team suspending him, I believe:
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McAdoo cagily has let the NFL exact a punishment, so the Giants don't need to.
I actually don't think the team can suspend him - based on provisions from the CBA regarding league discipline. I could be wrong, but I think it is like the double jeopardy thing - he can't get dinged by the team after the league has stepped in.
a thread on this a few days ago and got killed for it. To me, it's not so much about who's side of the story is actually true and who to believe etc. This whole thing is just kind of a weird black eye that's not that big but just lingers for awhile until it eventually goes away.
Brown is guilty and he's a piece of shit. If that ends up being the case then good riddance. But I'm going to let due process work it course. I have faith that the Giants will take the high road when the facts are clear, regardless of a good outcome or bad.
Brown is guilty and he's a piece of shit. If that ends up being the case then good riddance. But I'm going to let due process work it course. I have faith that the Giants will take the high road when the facts are clear, regardless of a good outcome or bad.
There are no legal charges to be guilty of.
I think any NFL or Giants led investigation is over and done with
so, here's the deal. we don't know shit, but the wife made an allegation. never proven. won't talk to us. can't get any evidence from law enforcement. So, what the fuck, we have to look good. suspend him for a game.
OP: you either are a troll, or never read BBI. plenty of people have been calling for JB's head on a platter. I vote troll.
so, here's the deal. we don't know shit, but the wife made an allegation. never proven. won't talk to us. can't get any evidence from law enforcement. So, what the fuck, we have to look good. suspend him for a game.
Yup, pretty much
1 game seems about right to me given the focus on the issue
it's completely wrong to suspend someone without corroborating facts. Just because someone makes an allegation is not reason to take away 1/16 of the salary. people make allegations all the time. sometimes they're true. sometimes they're not.
it may well be within the technical ability of the NFL to do so, but it is not right. it's suspending a guy without any real evidence and doing it as a PR move. they've pretty much admitted they know nothing, but had to do something or they'd look bad.
at the end of this incident, to wit, "Brown's ex-wife displayed behaviors and mannerisms consistent with someone in regular fear. I do not believe this to have been a 'put-on' for show."
I suspect he abused her multiple times. I also suspect that she intended to file for divorce and, once divorced, realized she could anticipate more alimony if Josh remained an NFL player than if he were suspended or cut. So she chose to walk away from the prosecution.
Brown is guilty and he's a piece of shit. If that ends up being the case then good riddance. But I'm going to let due process work it course. I have faith that the Giants will take the high road when the facts are clear, regardless of a good outcome or bad.
There are no legal charges to be guilty of.
I think any NFL or Giants led investigation is over and done with
Yeah I have no idea but nothing definitive has come out, so I guess that's what I'm talking about. If the investigations are over, i'll base my opinion on what those facts are, not articles with speculation.
We also may never know and in that case, you have to just trust the organization who tends to be one of the least lenient on issues like this.
at the end of this incident, to wit, "Brown's ex-wife displayed behaviors and mannerisms consistent with someone in regular fear. I do not believe this to have been a 'put-on' for show."
I suspect he abused her multiple times. I also suspect that she intended to file for divorce and, once divorced, realized she could anticipate more alimony if Josh remained an NFL player than if he were suspended or cut. So she chose to walk away from the prosecution.
As for McAdoo, I think he was waiting to see what the NFL did before deciding what the Giants should do. If the league said that Brown wouldn't be penalized be cause he wasn't prosecuted, then the Giants might have suspended him themselves. McAdoo cagily has let the NFL exact a punishment, so the Giants don't need to.
Are you a real life detective or do you only play one on BBI?
At this point who cares? It's out of our hands anyway.
I will say it seems like bad karma having this guy on the team. Added pressure if he has to make a big kick?
At this point who cares? It's out of our hands anyway.
I will say it seems like bad karma having this guy on the team. Added pressure if he has to make a big kick?
I read your post and was surprised that I had to dig several days back to find anything about it. I mean I hear you it is out of our hands but I expect the Giants to be out in front of something like this. No way this ends well.
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At this point who cares? It's out of our hands anyway.
I will say it seems like bad karma having this guy on the team. Added pressure if he has to make a big kick?
I read your post and was surprised that I had to dig several days back to find anything about it. I mean I hear you it is out of our hands but I expect the Giants to be out in front of something like this. No way this ends well.
Hopefully they know more than we do and our making a sound decision. I think their silence (especially from ownership) is a bit cowardly but what can you do.
Hopefully the new guy beats him out.
No matter how it shakes out, there's not doubt Josh and his ex had some awful and trying times. Hoping they both wind up better for it.
Didn't some on BBI say we should hold judgment until we hear both sides of the story?
Have you never known women to lie?
Is it possible that they both drink too much?
Some of the people on here are just too sanctimonious.
It was karmic kind of like Coughlin's "injuries are a cancer" comment in one of his early press conferences. When I read McAdoo said that about DV I knew he was asking for trouble just like Coughlin when he was going to solve injuries on a football team.
If he wasn't cut, you have to believe the team has their reasons and we as fans don't and may never know them.
but I doubt it impact the pressure he has on him. What's the worst that will add more pressure to him being called a wife beater at a visiting stadium? Dennis Potvin lived his career with it.
So why was Brown suspended for a game?
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big difference.
big difference.
comment was to original poster not you
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As far as I understand, there just isn't evidence there was anything but an incident that could barely be described as domestic violence. The DA didn't think it was. Am I missing something.
So why was Brown suspended for a game?
You'd have to ask the commissioner. It's certainly CYA for the league which is not to say it wasn't within their guidelines. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a reasonable difference of opinion on the incident though.
Those pictures are from one account. Some of the other allegations against him are far more concerning.
I think it's pretty obvious those who think he should be cut are basing that on the history of incidents, not just the specific thing last year. One is free to question the veracity of the wife's story about the prior incidents, but either way, the pictures from last year seem pretty irrelevant.
In May 2015, the NFL was informed by the New York Giants of Josh Brown's arrest for an incident in his home involving his then wife. We began an investigation into the incident and circumstances surrounding it.
In the course of the League's investigation, our investigators became aware that his wife had filed a statement with the county court alleging previous altercations between the spouses. However, despite multiple attempts to speak with her about this incident and her previous statements, she declined to speak with us. We understand that there are many reasons that might have affected her decision not to speak with us, but we were limited in our ability to investigate these allegations.
Over the course of the 10-month investigation, we also made numerous requests—as late as this spring—to local law enforcement officers for information on the case and previous allegations. They declined those requests for information.
As a result of these factors, our investigators had insufficient information to corroborate prior allegations. In addition, no criminal charges were brought forward regarding the incident in question or prior allegations. The NFL therefore made a decision based on the evidentiary findings around this one incident as provided to us by the District Attorney.
The NFL made a finding that Mr. Brown had violated the Personal Conduct Policy. We did so based on the evidence of this one incident as presented in the police report, Mr. Brown and his wife's statements to police that evening, and his statements in interviews with the NFL.
The NFL Personal Conduct policy allows for discipline to be imposed even when criminal charges are not presented. It further allows for us to consider both aggravating and mitigating factors regarding discipline for domestic violence.
After reviewing the evidence in this one incident, we imposed a one-game suspension for violation of the personal conduct policy.
Mr. Brown and the NFLPA appealed this discipline, but the decision was upheld by a hearing officer.
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This is all some of us are saying.
Many posters said the same thing when the Ezekiel Elliott story came out in July, so it has little to do with Brown being a Giant. It really is okay to wait before you make a decision. Gathering all the facts is never a bad idea. We have to assume the Giants have all the facts...what they do with them we'll just have to wait and see.
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As far as I understand, there just isn't evidence there was anything but an incident that could barely be described as domestic violence. The DA didn't think it was. Am I missing something.
So why was Brown suspended for a game?
You'd have to ask the commissioner. It's certainly CYA for the league which is not to say it wasn't within their guidelines. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a reasonable difference of opinion on the incident though.
that's why you don't come out and say something like we have a zero tolerance policy on X or injuries are a cancer and a "mental thing that has to be corrected" when you have zero control over it.
you box yourself into a corner. Brown was suspended for domestic violence and he's still on the Giants, so it's not really zero tolerance. Don't say it if you don't mean it.
This is all some of us are saying.
Many posters said the same thing when the Ezekiel Elliott story came out in July, so it has little to do with Brown being a Giant. It really is okay to wait before you make a decision. Gathering all the facts is never a bad idea. We have to assume the Giants have all the facts...what they do with them we'll just have to wait and see. Link - ( New Window )
To be clear for the 5th time. I AM NOT SAYING BROWN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED OR SHOULD BE CUT.
now that that is out of the way again, McAdoo did however say that.
When he said he has a zero tolerance policy, and then had a player suspended for domestic violence, and allows that player to remain on the team it is not a zero tolerance policy.
Also reminding some of the pitchfork and torch guys its okay to wait until you have all the info before you burn down the castle.
Also reminding some of the pitchfork and torch guys its okay to wait until you have all the info before you burn down the castle.
I agree, the people going after Brown are definitely overzealous. Especially without details of the investigation.
my comments are from a pure PR standpoint. and McAdoo saying something I wish he wouldn't have said.
Awesome site these days!
You are welcome sir. It is true that this topic could be used as way to troll a board. I am a lifelong Giants fan concerned with the way the organization is handling a particular issue and feel that others on this board are probably feeling similarly or differently.
I just don't see how cutting him is a bad move.
ColHowPepper : 6:23 pm : link : reply
My take on McAdoo's rigidity here is that, for purposes of this line of questioning, BM is the face of the organization.
And it's the organization that is not looking too swift here. As I understand it, the background to the JB suspension was known and was being looked into by the time last spring the Giants elected to stick with Brown and cut McManus. McManus has turned out to be a fine kicker with the Broncos.
The NFL has said, in effect, that the only reason JB did not receive a longer, League-mandated suspension for DV is that the wife and certain law enforcement authorities (for whatever reasons) did not cooperate with the NFL in providing further information as to the history between Brown and his ex-wife. But IF the Giants were aware of this at the time of the decision to keep Brown and jettison McManus, it leads to some pretty serious questions as to the wisdom of that decision, even before McManus has gone on to prove himself. He was not too shabby in camp last year.
My point is that the Giants FO may well be looking at this very seriously, less so from the possible personnel mistake, although that is significant, but from the NY Giants as a founding franchise of the NFL and how does it handle this and what message does it send to the League, to the players, to the fans, to the public by sticking with Brown.
This may all be percolating as we speak, McAdoo may be informed that this is a decision in process, and he is not willing to dig the "we support Josh Brown" hole any deeper until the organization resolves the question.
True, he never used the words. He was asked what won't you tolerate and he answered with domestic violence. He could have said being late to meetings, something more vague like conduct detrimental to the team, any number of things.
but when he said this I cringed, and not that he should tolerate DV, of course he shouldn't but it's like saying we're not going to tolerate murder or rape, it's an assumed.
But with all the scrutiny on DV I felt like something like this could happen. Not in this exact way, but I remember Randy Moss being accused of hitting a woman during the 2007 playoff run heading up to SBXLII. Turned out to be extortion.
but it's a process and it takes a while. Anyway, my point was never about Brown, it was about PR, optics and McAdoo's response to what he won't tolerate.
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that zero tolerance means an automatic release? I take it to mean that a violation will result in established punishments with increased punishments for repeat offender.
Reading comprehension is nice to see around here. Can you teach some of the others?
It must be.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/z/zero-tolerance-law/
But I won't go there yet without knowing what happened. There seems to be a ton of wishy washy info and I have no idea what to do with that.
Posting about self awareness? Oh the irony.
Their response to everything could be "The judicial system deems him fit to be a part of society, who are we to say he can't play football?"
That way, instead of being mad at Roger Goodell, we could direct our anger at a justice system that favors the wealthy.
Put aside due process for a moment - zero tolerance doesn't just mean a player is cut. Zero tolerance means there will be a punishment that could range from a suspension to other punishments to a release.
Schools in my area have a zero tolerance stance on bullying. That doesn't mean if a student bullies someone else they are expelled. They are usually suspended or sometimes just given detention.
Taken to the extreme, zero tolerance could mean getting blackballed from the league or whatever your imagination can think of - sort of like what happened with Ray Rice.
I think people are really misinterpreting what zero tolerance means.
If anything, the past couple of days has shown that there was quite a bit of overreaction to the first stories.
I think the only fact that is clear is that you have brain damage
None of us know anything....morons speculate....shoe fits
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Two sides to every story Einstein
Everyone is entitled to due process
That fact you can't see that speaks volumes about your intelligence level
We always need to be careful...its best to not see a very shades of grey world in strict black and white.
For example, the letter that his ex-wife says he sent to friends admitting he'd abused her....are any copies available?
Neighbors that she claims heard the arguments and abuse, whey have none come forward?
She claims 20 separate events, disgusting if true. Surely there is some proof of something occurring?
As to the media screaming for the Giants to say something, I am unclear as to what they could say.
They have accusations from the ex-wife, who will not cooperate, and very little from the police. The photos submitted seem to indicate very little.
I can only imagine that they are investigating this very closely.
I want Brown gone if any of this abuse is true.
However, is it possible this is a quarrel between now ex-spouses that has led to false accusation?
I surely would not want to accuse an abused wife of that, but as his employer the Giants need to be careful not to jump to that conclusion.
I suspect he abused her multiple times. I also suspect that she intended to file for divorce and, once divorced, realized she could anticipate more alimony if Josh remained an NFL player than if he were suspended or cut. So she chose to walk away from the prosecution.
As for McAdoo, I think he was waiting to see what the NFL did before deciding what the Giants should do. If the league said that Brown wouldn't be penalized be cause he wasn't prosecuted, then the Giants might have suspended him themselves. McAdoo cagily has let the NFL exact a punishment, so the Giants don't need to.
I actually don't think the team can suspend him - based on provisions from the CBA regarding league discipline. I could be wrong, but I think it is like the double jeopardy thing - he can't get dinged by the team after the league has stepped in.
There are no legal charges to be guilty of.
I think any NFL or Giants led investigation is over and done with
OP: you either are a troll, or never read BBI. plenty of people have been calling for JB's head on a platter. I vote troll.
Yup, pretty much
1 game seems about right to me given the focus on the issue
it may well be within the technical ability of the NFL to do so, but it is not right. it's suspending a guy without any real evidence and doing it as a PR move. they've pretty much admitted they know nothing, but had to do something or they'd look bad.
I suspect he abused her multiple times. I also suspect that she intended to file for divorce and, once divorced, realized she could anticipate more alimony if Josh remained an NFL player than if he were suspended or cut. So she chose to walk away from the prosecution.
Did you ask the magic 8-ball? Call Miss Cleo?
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Brown is guilty and he's a piece of shit. If that ends up being the case then good riddance. But I'm going to let due process work it course. I have faith that the Giants will take the high road when the facts are clear, regardless of a good outcome or bad.
There are no legal charges to be guilty of.
I think any NFL or Giants led investigation is over and done with
Yeah I have no idea but nothing definitive has come out, so I guess that's what I'm talking about. If the investigations are over, i'll base my opinion on what those facts are, not articles with speculation.
We also may never know and in that case, you have to just trust the organization who tends to be one of the least lenient on issues like this.
I suspect he abused her multiple times. I also suspect that she intended to file for divorce and, once divorced, realized she could anticipate more alimony if Josh remained an NFL player than if he were suspended or cut. So she chose to walk away from the prosecution.
As for McAdoo, I think he was waiting to see what the NFL did before deciding what the Giants should do. If the league said that Brown wouldn't be penalized be cause he wasn't prosecuted, then the Giants might have suspended him themselves. McAdoo cagily has let the NFL exact a punishment, so the Giants don't need to.
Are you a real life detective or do you only play one on BBI?
At this point who cares? It's out of our hands anyway.
I will say it seems like bad karma having this guy on the team. Added pressure if he has to make a big kick?
Karma is unknowable, so find comfort in that.