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Theesmann: “Odell is the one talking. Josh is a silent guy."

Mr. Bungle : 8/23/2016 5:49 pm
Just in case you temporarily forgot what a huge Redskins-slobbering twat Joe Theesmann is, here's your latest reminder:

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You can’t chat with Theismann without talking about the Redskins, who he believes will win the NFC East this season. Their defense will be led by their newest big-money cornerback, Josh Norman. Norman will get the chance to go up against his rival and smack-talker for the New York Giants, Odell Beckham, Jr.

“Odell is doin' the one talking! Josh is a silent guy,” said Theismann. “He’s a hard-working guy. He signed on a Friday and showed up to work Monday morning for a meeting and hasn’t missed a meeting or a practice since. He’s a very dedicated guy and makes everyone around him better. That’s what leadership is all about.”

Wow, he showed up to work after he signed his contract and hasn't missed a meeting or practice! What a high standard for leadership!

He says it toward the end of the interview, 14:30 or so. So if you want to hear him say it, you'll have to suffer through this clown's nonsensical rambling, including his thoughts about tattoos.

(He also has nice things to say about Eli, but screw him.)

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Don't understand  
Fish : 8/24/2016 9:26 am : link
How Giant fans can throw Odell under bus by practically saying Odell has it coming to him or you can almost guarantee Odell will blow up.

Odell has the edge you need to stay above it all. Opposing teams want him out of the game because he is a Gamechanger. I'd be pissed also, as would anyone here if you knew players were gunning for you. Granted Odell showboats but play clean and don't try and hurt anyone. As someone said above butler and Sherman played clean. Norman and Rams team have not.
Yeah Norman is a silent guy  
Jay on the Island : 8/24/2016 9:37 am : link
Except here where tries to rip Demaryius Thomas.
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Oh and this  
Jay on the Island : 8/24/2016 9:39 am : link
“They kind of shunned me,” he said. “They turned down a lot of stuff for me, interviews, sponsorship deals, stuff I didn’t even know about. They wanted it to be about the two main guys, Cam [Newton] and Luke [Kuechly].”

He said at one point he was asked to cut down on his trash talk, but he didn’t because “I’m not fake.”
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his 2015 was the best  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/24/2016 10:14 am : link
"gets beat but recovers incredibly well" seasons I've seen from a CB.

WRs would seemingly burn him yet there he is catching up and making plays with his crazy wingspan. It was impressive. Even on Odell's Game-Tying TD, Norman almost gets back after getting dusted by Odell.

But that's the thing. He can't recover against Odell and he knows it and the Giants know it. Odell is gone when he gets in front of you.

Norman could very easily be on a lot of highlights this year for giving up big plays. His recovery style just doesn't seem sustainable, especially on a new team with less talented teammates.
Theisman  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/24/2016 10:14 am : link
isn't a smart guy. Been known for a long time now.
Odell was the bad guy in their match up  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/24/2016 10:29 am : link
Instigated and played dirty. I love the kid, and don't hate him for that mistake.

But BBI's interpretation that both parties were equally at fault kills me every time.
Look out Joe!  
trueblueinpw : 8/24/2016 10:33 am : link
RE: Odell was the bad guy in their match up  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/24/2016 10:34 am : link
In comment 13084089 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Instigated and played dirty. I love the kid, and don't hate him for that mistake.

But BBI's interpretation that both parties were equally at fault kills me every time.


Odell was worse overall for sure.

But instigated?
C'mon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 10:38 am : link
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Odell was the bad guy in their match up
Mike in Long Beach : 10:29 am : link : reply
Instigated and played dirty. I love the kid, and don't hate him for that mistake.


Instigate means to START the altercation.

Pregame, Norman and a Panthers practice squad player wielded a bat and talked trash to Odell. The second snap of the game Norman body-slammed Odell. The argument that Odell lost his cool the most is valid, but to say he instigated doesn't really seem to be correct.
It really doesnt matter  
Walt in MD : 8/24/2016 10:43 am : link
who started it. We all agree that both went way over the line that game. ODB lost control, had a bad game, and gave us a smaller chance to win. He was then suspended for a game. Bottom line, that can't happen ever again.
RE: Odell was the bad guy in their match up  
djm : 8/24/2016 11:00 am : link
In comment 13084089 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Instigated and played dirty. I love the kid, and don't hate him for that mistake.

But BBI's interpretation that both parties were equally at fault kills me every time.


Keep at it there Radar twin.
RE: Odell was the bad guy in their match up  
arcarsenal : 8/24/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 13084089 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Instigated and played dirty. I love the kid, and don't hate him for that mistake.

But BBI's interpretation that both parties were equally at fault kills me every time.


I guess you're not noticing the pattern here with Norman.
I think if I could be afforded one ideal heckle moment in my life  
djm : 8/24/2016 11:18 am : link
I'd want it to be used on Joe Theesman. I mean the guy had a good career --he's won a super bowl and all that. He's got nothing to be ashamed of but man, he's an easy target.
I was just "enlightened" this week  
micky : 8/24/2016 11:30 am : link
is that one claiming that other's can't "interpret" what "instigate" means, can't "interpret" what the word "instigate" means themselves, in this case.
Norman was the instigator  
Greg from LI : 8/24/2016 11:34 am : link
Doesn't absolve OBJ for not being focused enough to keep his cool and only worry about beating him on the field, but you've gotta be kidding me with the notion that Norman didn't take the field with the intention of doing the usual Buddy Ryan intimidation tactics.
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Overseer : 8/24/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 13084150 djm said:
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Keep at it there Radar twin.

Instigated the wrong word, but his point is obvious. How is it contrarian to point out that Beckham was an unhinged piece of shit that day (petulant not just from Norman but from dropping a perfectly thrown TD ball).

All you have to do is imagine he's wearing a green jersey (say, with the #20) in this gif to remove the blue bias and understand that fact:

His point was that..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 11:52 am : link
he's having a problem seeing how people can say the two players are equally at fault.

Depends on your take. Is it worse to take a cheap shot that's dangerous or is it worse to use a baseball bat pregame and then immediately bodyslam the guy because without those two incidents, Odell isn't earholing the jackass.

Norman's behavior led directly to Odell's, not the other way around.

I can see both sides there - and I happen to think both guys are at fault.Not sure how Odell's cheapshot being more dangerous solely makes him the worse dude here, but I can see why others might disagree.

I tend to think the guy being intentionally unhinged while unprovoked is worse than the guy who did it from getting fed up and angry.
And since we are discussing bias..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 11:54 am : link
let's say your child has been bullied over and over again. Books slapped away, lunch stolen, pushed around on the playground. Then he ends up hauling off and hitting the dude.

When it is all said and done, are you looking at him as a piece of shit (the exact words some used to describe Odell), or do you fully understand why he did it?
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Anando : 8/24/2016 11:56 am : link
Josh "Innocent Victim" Norman  
Greg from LI : 8/24/2016 12:23 pm : link
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https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/josh-norman-body-slams-odell-beckham-jr.gif?w=1000


Again, that's on the Giants' first possession of the game, fifth play.
criminy  
Greg from LI : 8/24/2016 12:24 pm : link
I’d buy my kid a new bike  
Overseer : 8/24/2016 12:33 pm : link
But that’s not analogous to what happened in December. You’re describing a one-sided, ongoing bullying. Completely different from some ephemeral scummy pre-game intimidation tactics, but then the whistle blows and it’s time to play football.

The bodyslam came after the dropped would-be touchdown, which no doubt made Beckham salty and petulant. But watch the video: you can see Odell clearly goes to push Norman beyond 5 yards. Norman’s escalation obviously bush league (and not flagged IIRC, right?) but again not one-sided.

Then watch the rest. Norman an asshole, but the two were not close to equally as awful, with the helmet spear – which could have ended both their seasons – sealing it. It was pathetic and embarrassing for the organization (I wonder if that game was when Mara’s mind was fully made up about Coughlin). I wouldn’t have called him a piece of shit, by the way, without it. That’s some next level Brian Dawkins shit.

I love the dude though. Just hope he keeps his head on straight…we’ve seen one after another baller WR who does not.
I never absolved Beckham for his actions in that game against Norman  
djm : 8/24/2016 12:33 pm : link
but there's a pattern of duchebaggery from Norman here. He's a loud mouthed duchebag that feels compelled to talk shit at every turn. I don't even harmless trash talk but when you're throwing former teammates, coaches and GMs under the bus coupled with Norman's daily tirades where seemingly no one is safe, it's pretty apparent to me that Norman is the problem. And now he's trying to spark more outrage by claiming all this BS about other players wanting to take OBJ out.

Norman represents everything that is wrong with today's modern athlete. Literally. If you had a picture/definition of modern day duchebag attention seaking overrated athlete in the dictionary? Norman's pic would be front and center.
RE: I’d buy my kid a new bike  
giants#1 : 8/24/2016 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13084337 Overseer said:
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The bodyslam came after the dropped would-be touchdown, which no doubt made Beckham salty and petulant. But watch the video: you can see Odell clearly goes to push Norman beyond 5 yards. Norman’s escalation obviously bush league (and not flagged IIRC, right?) but again not one-sided.

Then watch the rest. Norman an asshole, but the two were not close to equally as awful, with the helmet spear – which could have ended both their seasons – sealing it. It was pathetic and embarrassing for the organization (I wonder if that game was when Mara’s mind was fully made up about Coughlin). I wouldn’t have called him a piece of shit, by the way, without it. That’s some next level Brian Dawkins shit.

I love the dude though. Just hope he keeps his head on straight…we’ve seen one after another baller WR who does not.


It's a running play and Beckham went to block him.

And no, Norman was somehow not flagged on that play despite his bodyslam coming well after the whistle.
RE: criminy  
Mr. Bungle : 8/24/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13084324 Greg from LI said:
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That side judge (who looked RIGHT AT the body slam) really had control of the situation there, didn't he? Even before the slam, Beckham was waving for attention from officials, like, "Look at this! Call something!" And THEN the body slam occurred!

If that didn't warrant a flag, why exactly does the side judge carry a flag at all?
RE: I’d buy my kid a new bike  
BlueLou : 8/24/2016 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13084337 Overseer said:
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The bodyslam came after the dropped would-be touchdown, which no doubt made Beckham salty and petulant. But watch the video: you can see Odell clearly goes to push Norman beyond 5 yards. Norman’s escalation obviously bush league (and not flagged IIRC, right?) but again not one-sided...


WTF are you talking about? It's a RUNNING PLAY. ODELL HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BLOCK Norman beyond 5 yards from the LOS. Norman, on the other hand, was in flagrant violation of the rules by body slamming OBJ to the ground - after the play was likely whistled dead and in plain view of the refs.

Norman not only should have been flagged on the play, and not OBJ whose block was 100% within the rules, he should have been ejected from the game.

Check the rulebook 99% sure I got this one. And you are dead wrong.
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Overseer : 8/24/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13084354 giants#1 said:
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It's a running play and Beckham went to block him.

And no, Norman was somehow not flagged on that play despite his bodyslam coming well after the whistle.

You're right. My bad...I watched like 12 clips of their back & forth and mixed it up with another. That's all on Norman for sure.
Late to the party but I see we have Oversser's BS  
BlueLou : 8/24/2016 12:50 pm : link
opinion nailed dead shut.

FER CRISSAKES!
It's a BS opinion to believe  
Overseer : 8/24/2016 1:04 pm : link
you shouldn't launch yourself helmet first at the head a player that isn't even looking? If that's your position, I'll leave you to it...

This is the video I watched before posting. There are 10+ altercations, big & small, and I was watching Beckham/Norman, not the LOS so I missed the running play. All on Norman there for sure, as I amended above.
The BS opinion comment was aimed at your  
BlueLou : 8/24/2016 1:52 pm : link
"pushing beyond 5 yards."

Which I didn't see that you owned up was incorrect when I posted.

Chill.
Thanks to Greg  
KWALL2 : 8/24/2016 1:52 pm : link
A lot of people need to see that "body slam" wasn't in the same league with the stuff Beckham did in that game.

And didint that play come after Beckham lined him up and launched at his head with the crown? Not the play he was tossed for but another one. On a deep pattern., Beckham ran up to him and launched head first into his face mask.

Beckham was out of control in that game. Nothing, including the pretend stuff, talking, or that body slam justifies any of it.

He has to clean it up. It wasnt just CAR or Norman.

KWALL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 2:02 pm : link
the body slam came on the Giants 4th or 5th play from scrimmage and one of the plays was the dropped TD pass.

The only things that preceded the bodyslam was that dropped pass and brandishment of a baseball bat pre-game.
RE: Thanks to Greg  
timintey : 8/24/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13084541 KWALL2 said:
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A lot of people need to see that "body slam" wasn't in the same league with the stuff Beckham did in that game.

And didint that play come after Beckham lined him up and launched at his head with the crown?


Please! Stop!

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On the 4th play of the game Odell Beckham toasted Norman but dropped a touchdown pass. On the very next play, as the two were jawing, Beckham put up his hands as if to say, ‘I’m not doing anything’ and then Norman body-slammed him.


http://thebiglead.com/2015/12/20/josh-norman-odell-beckham-body-slam/
RE: The BS opinion comment was aimed at your  
Overseer : 8/24/2016 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13084540 BlueLou said:
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"pushing beyond 5 yards."

Which I didn't see that you owned up was incorrect when I posted.

Chill.

All good. Realistically it was probably 60/40 Beckham/Norman and (corrected I stand), the Norman body slam was first and all him.

Until the helmet spear. That's when I lost, even now watching clips, all sympathy for OBJ. It was pathetic...reminds me so much of Brian Dawkins.*

Really it's out of concern for Beckham why he should be called out for this shit (and why Coughlin really failed the Giants that day by not doing so). 3 things can stop this guy from being an all-time great player. Not just WR, player:

1) injury (obviously and God forbid)
2) shitty QB after Eli (and even then, Fitzgerald has managed a great career)
3) Odell Beckham. Jerry Rice was Jerry Rice for reasons beyond his pure talent. Absurd dedication to fitness and a humble head on his shoulders were a huge part of his success. I really believe Beckham can finish 2nd all-time in reception yards. But keeping his head on straight is paramount.
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Coughlin failed  
joeinpa : 8/24/2016 2:31 pm : link
The kid in that game. Can t believe a younger Coughlin allows Beckham to continue to play at least not without sitting him down for a bit.

That game changer convinced me coaching change was needed.
Thanks tim  
KWALL2 : 8/24/2016 3:34 pm : link
Another video showing a weak body slam. He twisted belchams body as he put his hands up and dropped him. You see something like that every week.

Beckhams reply is to target a guy with his crown.

FMIC, the body slam was nothing. Beckham took it to another level. Not the first time. In Buffalo he ran up to a guy and punched him in the back of the head. He should have been ejected. Can't have our best player stepping over the line. Players will come after him. He has to get a handle on his response.
I don't think anyone's disputing Odell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 3:39 pm : link
took it to another level. But you make it seem like it is unprovoked.

"Weak bodyslam" that you see all the time. Sure. I see that happen several times a game. I kid of course. The last time I saw one was Charles Martin slamming Jim McMahon to the ground in 1986.

In fact, I saw a few firsts that game. The first time a practice player is allowed to wield a bat to taunt in an opposing stadium, and one of the only times you'll see a bodyslam go unflagged.

Odell earholing Norman was a dirty play of course. Not sure why Norman's actions are being minimized however. Both guys lost their col, yet in the immediate aftermath of that game, only one was called a piece of shit repeatedly.

I think it is bearing out now who is living up to the snub...
Because only one player  
KWALL2 : 8/24/2016 3:44 pm : link
Was dirty.

Notmans body slam was weak. He dropped him. Didn't slam him down. It was nothing. Beckham threw punches and used the crown twice on a guy not looking at him. The last time he lined him up and ran several yards at him. That's why Beckham gets more abuse. He earned it.

If the roles were reversed you would be all over the guy who used the crown and targeted the other player.
I would be all over the other guy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 3:48 pm : link
just like I've said repeatedly that Odell lost his shit and he can't do taht.

I'd also acknowledge that if our player instigated it, he'd be at fault.

I can still think both players are at fault without going to lengths and using ridiculous disclaimers like it was a weak bodyslam to minimize the discussion.

I've said a number of times that Odell's hit was dirty and he deserved a suspension. But there's also a specific reason why he did it and it wasn't that Norman just happened to be in a random crowd and rage overcame Odell to try and knock out the first person he saw.

Not recognizing that both players were dirty is strange. Almost as if you are going out of your way to absolve Norman from doing anything than playing football. But that's sort of par for the course.
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Go Terps : 8/24/2016 3:52 pm : link
I think Norman's actions are less considered because we all know that in a couple years or sooner he'll be remembered as a JAG.

Beckham is a generational talent and we all want to see him just be the best player he can be for the Giants for as long as possible. This kind of shit doesn't help that long term goal.
On the slam  
KWALL2 : 8/24/2016 3:52 pm : link
Beckham was trying to get a penalty. He didn't keep his feet under him and allowed the guy to drop him. He could have stepped under and would not have hit the ground.

He put his hands up, didn't use his feet, and let it happen. The slam was nothing.
I don't dispute what Beckham did was wrong  
timintey : 8/24/2016 3:53 pm : link
but to act like it was unprovoked is just plain dumb. The body slam (if you want to call it weak, fine) is not something you see every game. Norman picked him up and dropped him. And for SJ #120 to be right there and see it and not flag him for it set the stage for everything that happened after that.

Norman is a punk and I can't wait to see him exposed this season.
We all watch..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 3:59 pm : link
multiple games a week.

Shouldn't these bodyslams that happen often be recalled pretty easily? Maybe Andre johnson bodyslammed that fuck Finnegan (another Panther last year), but I'm not even sure of that. Surely, this common practice should be able to be referenced immediately, yet I had to go back to 1986 to remember one.

But maybe it wasn't a bodyslam at all. I mean given the description of a weak one where Odell let him do it, I'd almost argue that Odell threw himself at Norman causing the poor guy to grab on and gently fall to the ground with the writhing maniac in his arms.
In what universe are body slams common?  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/24/2016 4:03 pm : link
That's a penalty almost every time. I can hear the announcer; "that's a really stupid, undisciplined penalty by Norman". The worst part; the official looked right at him.
Really?  
Greg from LI : 8/24/2016 4:07 pm : link
You see players get picked up and thrown to the ground after the play every week with no flag?

Here's a recent one. It got DJ Fluker a 15 yard penalty.
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Greg..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 4:10 pm : link
at that was during the play. I wonder how many bodyslams have happened after the play?

I mean I hear it's pretty damn common....
RE: Really?  
timintey : 8/24/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13084879 Greg from LI said:
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You see players get picked up and thrown to the ground after the play every week with no flag?

Here's a recent one. It got DJ Fluker a 15 yard penalty. Link - ( New Window )


#55 obviously didn't keep his feet under him. Otherwise he never would have went down. lol
RE: Odell was the bad guy in their match up  
chopperhatch : 8/25/2016 12:42 am : link
In comment 13084089 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Instigated and played dirty. I love the kid, and don't hate him for that mistake.

But BBI's interpretation that both parties were equally at fault kills me every time.


Haha, if only that could be true for Fast Eddie's Dipshit.

He didnt instigate it. While totally at fault, you have to be a dipshit to think ODB instigated that confrontation. But then again, look at the poster Im referencing.
Despite that more than enough has been said on both sides  
BlueLou : 8/25/2016 4:02 am : link
of this discussion, it's much much more than the body slam that aggravated OBJ. You'd need all 22 tape to really know either way, but I caught Norman checking Odell (even if legally by dint of being within 5 yards of the LOS) with hands up too high several times. Like in the face too high, up under Odell's chin too high, etc. I can only guess that Norman was going after Odell's eyes, and if you are a WR and not getting help from the refs to prevent that, you have to do something.

Spearing to the earhole, which can paralyze or worse someone, is not the answer. We all know that. But the refs lost control of that game in the worst way.

Kevin - I am surprised you think the body slam was "nothing." It should have drawn a penalty, most clearly, IMO.
This thread has inspired me...  
EricJ : 8/25/2016 7:29 am : link
I am changing my BBI surivial pool team name to "Theismann's Leg"
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