I think he was under appreciated as a Giant and i may killed for saying this but i think other than OBJ he was the most explosive Giant receiver i've seen.
Manningham Was Great During The 2011 Championship Run
Looking back at highlights it seems like Mario was so much faster than those guys or it could be that he just looked better after seeing that other scrub that wore 82.
I thought Homer Jones was our best receiver. And we had to give him up to get a defensive tackle, Jim Kanicki. The Browns threw in a nobody running back to seal the deal (Ron Johnson).
AND came up huge for us in 2011 without a doubt. that trio may be the best ever NYG WR corps. "Jet Blue" as it were - Nicks, Manningham, and Cruz.
However, let's not overlook his record of many miscommunications for failed drives and turnovers that Randle seemed to pick up the torch and improve upon.
and ironically, terrible feet and timing on sideline patterns. His moment in the sun was much like David Tyree's. Both had their best moment in the superbowl which enamors them with all Giants fans. Agree he had many of the same traits as Randle.
but Burress, Nicks and Cruz were more explosive than Manningham.
Sorry but I wouldn't describe any of those three as 'explosive' in the least. Plax and Nicks were physical WRs and Cruz was a very good slot receiver who ran nice routes. Plax and Nicks were physical enough to fight off corners. When Cruz was placed on the outside like in 2014 he was exposed as not being able to get separation due to his lack of speed.
MM was a horrible route runner but he was a burner.
RE: RE: Manningham Was Great During The 2011 Championship Run
but Burress, Nicks and Cruz were more explosive than Manningham.
Sorry but I wouldn't describe any of those three as 'explosive' in the least. Plax and Nicks were physical WRs and Cruz was a very good slot receiver who ran nice routes. Plax and Nicks were physical enough to fight off corners. When Cruz was placed on the outside like in 2014 he was exposed as not being able to get separation due to his lack of speed.
MM was a horrible route runner but he was a burner.
Never saw the speed you talk about with MM. As for Cruz, he was double teamed in 2013. It wasn't lack of speed, it was one DB to take away inside and one to take away outside. But Cruz was explosive, not a top end burner.
I agree he had great straight line speed and was great on the bubble screens. Sure he had mental lapses but he was pretty deadly on the playoff run. Touchdowns against Atlanta, Green Bay and a HUGE one in San Fran only to drop both feet in perfectly vs NE. That year he seemed to be Eli's go to guy in certain parts of the two min drill before halftime and made several tds just running from the 20 yard line or so in a straight line to the back of the endzone. We ran the short go route with him and were so successful with it at times that I couldn't believe other teams hadn't caught on to the play call inside of the two minute. He is an often ridiculed player on here who I remember fondly.
I thought Manningham had good run after catch ability. IIRC his first game was against the Redskins and he was able to bounce off of a tackler and get into the end zone.
He was incredibly underrated, and it serves us right to take him for granted and have to endure a couple seasons of Reuben Randle. At least Manningham looked like he had a pulse on Sundays. Randle never looked 100% engaged on the field. Manningham's mistakes never seemed to lead to as many turnovers (though the fumble against Philly in 2010 sticks out).
but nothing special. He made some big plays in big spots so we remember him fondly. Which is as it should be. But there are guys as capable as Mario Manningham on just about every NFL roster. Remember: He wasn't even a #1 or #2 receiver for most of his short career. He was a good third receiver and a solid spot starter. Like almost all players, you took the good with the bad and mostly came out ahead. But he wasn't good enough to get a fat deal.
He was very important to the team the way that Phil McConkey was very important to the '86 team. But I think that there's a big gap between Mario Manningham, the guy who actually played football and left behind cold hard stats, and Super Mario, the draft steal in a lot of fans' imaginations.
It's hard on a defense to have to deal with Cruz and Nicks and then have someone as good as Mario come into the game. I'm hoping we can be just as good or better at wideout this year with OBJ, Shepard and Cruz.
but after they're gone they earn more love and respect. He's one...and his SB catch will NEVER be forgotten. I think he gave maximum effort, he just wasn't a very bright guy. I think he scored an 18 on the Wunderlic.
A very solid #3 WR. Nothing more, nothing less. I love the guy and will always think fondly of him because of that 2011 run. Still made some bonehead plays, but you take the good with the bad with Mario. Solid player.
Toomer had some of the best sideline awareness I have ever seen. He was a master at somehow getting two feet down. Manningham had some nice catches, most notably his big catch in the Super Bowl.
But he had his share of some infuriating sideline catches that were ruled incomplete because he didn't seem to realize just how close he was to the sideline. I think he had one of those plays earlier in the Super Bowl. Right now, I only have the play by play text in front of me, and he was incomplete on a deep pass with 9:41 left in the game. I can check this tonight. If I'm wrong, then it was earlier in the playoffs.
Regardless, his inconsistency on the sideline is part of what make his big catch that much greater. It's like when you heard Patriots' defenders talk about Eli's escape in XLII, and they said that all the tape they had told them he would go down and take the sack.
A very solid #3 WR. Nothing more, nothing less. I love the guy and will always think fondly of him because of that 2011 run. Still made some bonehead plays, but you take the good with the bad with Mario. Solid player.
Exactly. Even in SB 46, earlier in the game he had his man beat on the right side deep, but ran the route too close to the sideline and gave Eli nowhere to put the ball. He could do something maddeningly stupid and make an incredible play in the same drive.
Didn't have the professionalism we like to see in the top tier talent, but he made plays when they counted. Did it in college and did it in the NFL. IMO it's the best compliment you can give a receiver.
Mark Ingram and so on, I will ALWAYS hold MM in high esteem for his super clutch moment(s)...He et al will never be forgotten by me and uber
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and ironically, terrible feet and timing on sideline patterns. His moment in the sun was much like David Tyree's. Both had their best moment in the superbowl which enamors them with all Giants fans. Agree he had many of the same traits as Randle.
This is just false. Manningham wasn't perfect but you're selling him short. He was a better player than Randle. Twice the player. For starters the guy actually made a big play more than once a season.
but nothing special. He made some big plays in big spots so we remember him fondly. Which is as it should be. But there are guys as capable as Mario Manningham on just about every NFL roster. Remember: He wasn't even a #1 or #2 receiver for most of his short career. He was a good third receiver and a solid spot starter. Like almost all players, you took the good with the bad and mostly came out ahead. But he wasn't good enough to get a fat deal.
He was very important to the team the way that Phil McConkey was very important to the '86 team. But I think that there's a big gap between Mario Manningham, the guy who actually played football and left behind cold hard stats, and Super Mario, the draft steal in a lot of fans' imaginations.
One of the worst analogies in BBI history is MM vs McConkey.
FWIW, MM in his best single year as a pro, as a Giant had 60/940/9 TDs.
McConkey, in his entire 6 year career in the NFL with three teams, had 63/1113/2TDs. What did you smoke before you posted that Dane, because I want some...
but after they're gone they earn more love and respect. He's one...and his SB catch will NEVER be forgotten. I think he gave maximum effort, he just wasn't a very bright guy. I think he scored an 18 on the Wunderlic.
Rebel 18 on the wonderlic?
Pretty sure OTTOMH, Nicks scored an 11, and Mario scored 8!
IIRC, at the combine, the Giants tested Mario with route play diagrams to see if his visual learning ability was as poor as his lingual ability, but he passed.
Still took him until his 2nd season to get it, and he greatly improved his route running year three when he caught 60 of 93 targets.
As far as his speed was concerned, along with his ability to get off
the LOS, Eli had difficulty getting the ball out to MM when he first came up, and Eli even commented about it by saying (paraphrased) "I've got to unload the ball faster to get the ball on top of him."
Mario's primary strengths were, to my mind, tracking and catching the ball over the shoulder and the effortless and subtle ways he changed speeds on deep routes. He could run about stride for stride with a DB and then pull away as he reached another gear effortlessly, all the while tracking the ball.
He was a fine and willing blocker too. His biggest problem was staying healthy, really - once he learned the playbook. He couldn't out muscle anyone in traffic, either.
but nothing special. He made some big plays in big spots so we remember him fondly. Which is as it should be. But there are guys as capable as Mario Manningham on just about every NFL roster. Remember: He wasn't even a #1 or #2 receiver for most of his short career. He was a good third receiver and a solid spot starter. Like almost all players, you took the good with the bad and mostly came out ahead. But he wasn't good enough to get a fat deal.
He was very important to the team the way that Phil McConkey was very important to the '86 team. But I think that there's a big gap between Mario Manningham, the guy who actually played football and left behind cold hard stats, and Super Mario, the draft steal in a lot of fans' imaginations.
One of the worst analogies in BBI history is MM vs McConkey.
FWIW, MM in his best single year as a pro, as a Giant had 60/940/9 TDs.
McConkey, in his entire 6 year career in the NFL with three teams, had 63/1113/2TDs. What did you smoke before you posted that Dane, because I want some...
I didn't say what you seem to think I said, Lou.
What I wrote was that he was important to the team the same way McConkey was important to the '86 team. I think that's true. McConkey's importance to the '86 team went beyond his stats and production. I think the same is true of Manningham.
Manningham was better and a more productive player, even accounting for the difference in eras. I get that.
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Looking back at highlights it seems like Mario was so much faster than those guys or it could be that he just looked better after seeing that other scrub that wore 82.
However, let's not overlook his record of many miscommunications for failed drives and turnovers that Randle seemed to pick up the torch and improve upon.
Sorry but I wouldn't describe any of those three as 'explosive' in the least. Plax and Nicks were physical WRs and Cruz was a very good slot receiver who ran nice routes. Plax and Nicks were physical enough to fight off corners. When Cruz was placed on the outside like in 2014 he was exposed as not being able to get separation due to his lack of speed.
MM was a horrible route runner but he was a burner.
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but Burress, Nicks and Cruz were more explosive than Manningham.
Sorry but I wouldn't describe any of those three as 'explosive' in the least. Plax and Nicks were physical WRs and Cruz was a very good slot receiver who ran nice routes. Plax and Nicks were physical enough to fight off corners. When Cruz was placed on the outside like in 2014 he was exposed as not being able to get separation due to his lack of speed.
MM was a horrible route runner but he was a burner.
Never saw the speed you talk about with MM. As for Cruz, he was double teamed in 2013. It wasn't lack of speed, it was one DB to take away inside and one to take away outside. But Cruz was explosive, not a top end burner.
What games were you watching?
What games were you watching?
Nobody had footwork like toomer. Maybe beckham after seeing that Miami catch but not manningham. And I loved manningham.
Its all subjective.
But for someone to say MM's feet were terrible...that's way off base
Yeah and most of the time he was on the wrong route or Eli would have thrown to him more.
He was incredibly underrated, and it serves us right to take him for granted and have to endure a couple seasons of Reuben Randle. At least Manningham looked like he had a pulse on Sundays. Randle never looked 100% engaged on the field. Manningham's mistakes never seemed to lead to as many turnovers (though the fumble against Philly in 2010 sticks out).
He came up more clutch in an offseason workout than Randle did his whole time with the Giants. (SARCASM)
He was very important to the team the way that Phil McConkey was very important to the '86 team. But I think that there's a big gap between Mario Manningham, the guy who actually played football and left behind cold hard stats, and Super Mario, the draft steal in a lot of fans' imaginations.
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But he had his share of some infuriating sideline catches that were ruled incomplete because he didn't seem to realize just how close he was to the sideline. I think he had one of those plays earlier in the Super Bowl. Right now, I only have the play by play text in front of me, and he was incomplete on a deep pass with 9:41 left in the game. I can check this tonight. If I'm wrong, then it was earlier in the playoffs.
Regardless, his inconsistency on the sideline is part of what make his big catch that much greater. It's like when you heard Patriots' defenders talk about Eli's escape in XLII, and they said that all the tape they had told them he would go down and take the sack.
Exactly. Even in SB 46, earlier in the game he had his man beat on the right side deep, but ran the route too close to the sideline and gave Eli nowhere to put the ball. He could do something maddeningly stupid and make an incredible play in the same drive.
forever appreciated
And Kanicki was really good prior to breaking his leg, imv
He was injured during the combine. His poor combine and the weed cause him to drop.
This is just false. Manningham wasn't perfect but you're selling him short. He was a better player than Randle. Twice the player. For starters the guy actually made a big play more than once a season.
He was very important to the team the way that Phil McConkey was very important to the '86 team. But I think that there's a big gap between Mario Manningham, the guy who actually played football and left behind cold hard stats, and Super Mario, the draft steal in a lot of fans' imaginations.
One of the worst analogies in BBI history is MM vs McConkey.
FWIW, MM in his best single year as a pro, as a Giant had 60/940/9 TDs.
McConkey, in his entire 6 year career in the NFL with three teams, had 63/1113/2TDs. What did you smoke before you posted that Dane, because I want some...
Alert! Sarcasm meter down! Broken, kaput! Gamanu!
With their eyes closed.
Rebel 18 on the wonderlic?
Pretty sure OTTOMH, Nicks scored an 11, and Mario scored 8!
IIRC, at the combine, the Giants tested Mario with route play diagrams to see if his visual learning ability was as poor as his lingual ability, but he passed.
Still took him until his 2nd season to get it, and he greatly improved his route running year three when he caught 60 of 93 targets.
Mario's primary strengths were, to my mind, tracking and catching the ball over the shoulder and the effortless and subtle ways he changed speeds on deep routes. He could run about stride for stride with a DB and then pull away as he reached another gear effortlessly, all the while tracking the ball.
He was a fine and willing blocker too. His biggest problem was staying healthy, really - once he learned the playbook. He couldn't out muscle anyone in traffic, either.
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but nothing special. He made some big plays in big spots so we remember him fondly. Which is as it should be. But there are guys as capable as Mario Manningham on just about every NFL roster. Remember: He wasn't even a #1 or #2 receiver for most of his short career. He was a good third receiver and a solid spot starter. Like almost all players, you took the good with the bad and mostly came out ahead. But he wasn't good enough to get a fat deal.
He was very important to the team the way that Phil McConkey was very important to the '86 team. But I think that there's a big gap between Mario Manningham, the guy who actually played football and left behind cold hard stats, and Super Mario, the draft steal in a lot of fans' imaginations.
One of the worst analogies in BBI history is MM vs McConkey.
FWIW, MM in his best single year as a pro, as a Giant had 60/940/9 TDs.
McConkey, in his entire 6 year career in the NFL with three teams, had 63/1113/2TDs. What did you smoke before you posted that Dane, because I want some...
What I wrote was that he was important to the team the same way McConkey was important to the '86 team. I think that's true. McConkey's importance to the '86 team went beyond his stats and production. I think the same is true of Manningham.
Manningham was better and a more productive player, even accounting for the difference in eras. I get that.