My challenge with Reese is PR and how he is perceived seems more important then improving the team. He gets stubborn and defensive....instead of pulling out all the stop to resolve a shortcoming.....
I understand the cap has a ripple effect.
I understand there might not be anyone available and they might need to wait for first cuts/final cuts
I even understand if the coaches are not crying out and trying to improve what they have.....
but if nothing comes of that horrendous performance it would be shameful.
I still feel our returning starters will at least do what they did last year which I guess is acceptable.....but if one is lost, we are in a world of hurt.
Agreed. Many teams need OL, so I wouldn't expect a lot of turnover even after cuts. But I do think we'll add one, maybe two, from other teams. What we've got now is a bunch of guys who have bounced around the league for several years without really catching on with anyone. But that's probably true for most teams.
This is the third time this week I've seen three separate posters refer to reese as making picks to show he can outsmart others or to do things for "flash" over substance, or to pick certain players to satisfy his huge ego.
Granted, all three of the posters who wrote those things are pretty dim, but why the trend all of a sudden?
How many people are going to overreact to a game that is a glorified scrimmage?
What a fucking idiot. There have been no cuts yet. There is no waiver wire to scour. And the Giants are one aof MANY teams that could use OL and TE help. Fool.
Thanks!
The Giants run like any corporation and PR is extremely important. Overpaying for the current crop of FA help the team but it was a marketing/PR move to show the paying custoners...."that they want to win at any cost".... and Pete from Atlanta...if you do not believe that.... take some business courses..learn something....truth be told....football teams are a business.
Where I view Jones and Dallas biggest issue is Ego.....the Giants biggest problem is PR.
The OL was NOT address....yet viewed by most as an area of concern. I hope it is a not a hill that they die on.
AP...I have no idea who would be available and an upgrade.
You know what sells tickets? Winning football teams.
Jerry Reese is one more 6-10 season away from likely losing his job and you think his primary focus is to impress people and sell tickets rather than put a winning team on the field? Did you take any time at all to think before you created this asinine narrative or did you just wake up and say "fuck it! I'm going all in!" ?
Good lord.
And another news flash....The Giants have never fired a GM.
I understand the frustration, but "Do something!" will most likely be next offseason.
What sells football games is the hope of winning and being competitive and having a good experience.....and basic supply and demand.
As a season ticket holder.....you could fool me that winning or losing effect the Giants tickets sales..
I buy and renew every year....like everyone else. And if I sold my PSL....someone would buy them immediately irregardless of record
What sells football games is the hope of winning and being competitive and having a good experience.....and basic supply and demand.
As a season ticket holder.....you could fool me that winning or losing effect the Giants tickets sales..
I buy and renew every year....like everyone else. And if I sold my PSL....someone would buy them immediately irregardless of record
So you think this team has no "hope of winning and being competitive"?
LOL.. okay.
You don't win TWO SBs on PR and style..And before you say it, it's Reese's input as Chief scout and advisor to EA that was hugely responsible for EA putting together that 2007 SB squad, albeit Reese's first draft as GM can be viewed as the key to helping us win it all, imo..
And another news flash....The Giants have never fired a GM.
I think they did. Andy Robustelli.
It Will be crushing if the OL destroys it. If it becomes the Achilles heel....I will be pissed!!
I know the losing years will come when Eli retires....they must do everything for another run at the ring.
Reese has got his warnings from Mara, privately and publicly, Reese knows he must win to keep his job, there is no way he will keep his job unless this team improves a lot and shows it is on the right path, but you must remember, Reese improved every area of the team but the Offensive Line, he said that the continuity would improve the line enough, now we will find out, it looks as bad as it gets right now, but not 1 single down has been played, so we have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out.
I think Reese is too stubborn and arrogant also by the way, but people that are very successful must be that way, they live and die by their convictions.
The Giants run like any corporation and PR is extremely important. Overpaying for the current crop of FA help the team but it was a marketing/PR move to show the paying custoners...."that they want to win at any cost".... and Pete from Atlanta...if you do not believe that.... take some business courses..learn something....truth be told....football teams are a business.
Where I view Jones and Dallas biggest issue is Ego.....the Giants biggest problem is PR.
The OL was NOT address....yet viewed by most as an area of concern. I hope it is a not a hill that they die on.
AP...I have no idea who would be available and an upgrade.
It simply amazes me that someone who has "no idea who would be available and an upgrade," berates Jerry Reese for not signing anyone who might be available and would be an upgrade. Sounds like just another post in long list of "DON'T JUST STAND THERE, JERRY - DO SOMETHING!" posts and threads.
And, yeah, the free agent signings were all about marketing/PR. They had nothing to do with upgrading a historically bad defense. Judas Priest, George, do you actually believe that?
As for what Fatman mentioned about other people expressing similar views, I would point out that history is replete with people who've shared similar views that turned out to be wrong (like "the Earth is flat"), or morally repugnant (like slavery is a good thing), or whatever. If your argument goes something like, "I may be stupid, but there are a lot of other people who are just as stupid as I am, therefore my arguments have merit," I think you're on shaky ground.
Finally, there was no one here at BBI who wanted the Giants to upgrade their O-Line more than I did. However, I recognize that the opportunities to do so in free agency were very far from ideal. Say the Giants did sign Russell Okung. If he got hurt - which is not out of the realm of possibility given his history - there would be a plethora of posts and threads killing Reese for signing another oft-injured veteran O-Lineman.
In the draft, sure, the Giants could have taken Tunsil or Decker instead of Apple, but I have no doubt that the same folks who are killing Reese for taking Apple would be killing him for leaving the Giants dangerously thin at CB. Ditto for any other round of the draft where the Giants passed up an O-Line prospect for a player at another position. Yes! The Giants drafted OT Le'Raven Clark in the 3rd Round! says the thread-starter, followed by a slew up posts saying, No! How could they pass up Darian Thompson (or Justin Simmons)? Now we still suck at Safety!
It's the nature of the beast.
It Will be crushing if the OL destroys it. If it becomes the Achilles heel....I will be pissed!!
I know the losing years will come when Eli retires....they must do everything for another run at the ring.
And they're not? Reese and co., do their due diligence 24/7 albeit not on BBI's timetable..He brought in all he could to help fortify this OL. None were worthy enough (be it salary-wise, health or unwillingness to play another position) except perhaps Penn, but he never got on the plane
Any more shots?
It was not the one preseason game....OL has been a primary concern....actually lack of depth is my primary issue..the offense did well enough last year....the fact that Reese did not sign one of several "LT" available through FA.....because Flowers must stay at LT bugged me.
Who was your solution?
That tidbit seems to be ignored when using my example as a supposed one supporting the view.
I find it to actually be pretty moronic.
Reese's job is improving the team.....the spent to improve the defense but the marketing of that money spent is just as important to the Giants to show the season ticket holders that they mean business
Drop the Mic
Who was your solution?
Even if they wanted Mitchell to play ORT, he was signed almost immediately. We had no shot
Any more shots?
It was not the one preseason game....OL has been a primary concern....actually lack of depth is my primary issue..the offense did well enough last year....the fact that Reese did not sign one of several "LT" available through FA.....because Flowers must stay at LT bugged me.
George-
It makes zero sense to move Flowers from LT unless THERE IS A LONG TERM SOLUTION @ LT.
If we signed Okung, moved Flowers to RT, then Okung gets hurt (again), where does that get us?
This "Reese refuses to move Flowers to LT" is the latest BBI moronic conspiracy-theory.
If Ronnie Stanley (who was drafted ahead of the "Future Hall of Famer" by BBI god-like figure Ozzie Newsome) was available, they would have drafted him.
If Conklin was available, he would have been drafted to play RT
Reese's job is improving the team.....the spent to improve the defense but the marketing of that money spent is just as important to the Giants to show the season ticket holders that they mean business
Marketing had nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. It was all about the need to upgrade a historically bad defense. Period.
this is beyond ridiculous. there is no reasoning with you.
March 9: 2016 NFL League Year begins. Free agency opens at 4 p.m. ET.
Jesus, you sound worse with each post.
These FA signings were done as soon as free agency began, just as almost every big-name free agent signing was done by every other team looking for upgrades.
Were the Raiders looking to placate their season ticket holders by quickly signing Osemele? Or the Chiefs, by signing Schwartz? Or the Falcons, by signing Sanu?
Shhhh... It's a conspiracy. It has to do with the JFK assassination. Don't let the word out.
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These FA signings were days before our season ticket bills arrived. Coincidence? I do not think so.....
Shhhh... It's a conspiracy. It has to do with the JFK assassination. Don't let the word out.
I thought it was all about the faked moon landings?
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These FA signings were days before our season ticket bills arrived. Coincidence? I do not think so.....
Shhhh... It's a conspiracy. It has to do with the JFK assassination. Don't let the word out.
I thought it was all about the faked moon landings?
That's only the cover conspiracy theory. Not the real one.
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These FA signings were days before our season ticket bills arrived. Coincidence? I do not think so.....
Shhhh... It's a conspiracy. It has to do with the JFK assassination. Don't let the word out.
I thought it was all about the faked moon landings?
That's only the cover conspiracy theory. Not the real one.
You just might be correct.
However, the real conspiracy is to suck just enough this year so we can get higher up in next year's draft to pick Notre Dame OT Mike McGlinchey. The phrase I've been hearing whispered around MetLife is, "We're going to look flinchy, so we can draft Mike McGlinchey."
I stand corrected.
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"We're going to look flinchy, so we can draft Mike McGlinchey."
I think you've nailed it.
Signing FA to improve team and using it as marketing is Not mutually exclusive
The Giants use good PR to promote themselves.
I understand the Giants and Reese did a great job filling many of the holes especially on defense and I have no complaints about their draft which looks steller.
My issue with Reese is simply....he should sign the players and let the coaches decide where they play. If he could not sign any of the LT so be it.....but if he stipulated only for RT....i feel it was a mistake.
Now it makes sense - election year!
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"We're going to look flinchy, so we can draft Mike McGlinchey."
I think you've nailed it.
Trust me. This is what I do.
I mean, every year, right around March, teams start signing guys. All around the same time as season tickets are renewed. I think the owners have colluded here!
Investigation?
Bringing in good, likable guys helps market the Giants...
But they must be good football players first.
Bringing in good, likable guys helps market the Giants...
But they must be good football players first.
hahahaha