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in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall?

In comment 13083999 Mr Brightside said:

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in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall?

I am also picking 3rd in a 10 team league. Mine is full PPR.

I'd like Nelson in the 2nd rd. Marshall will/should be off the board and it's too early to take Lacy or Ingram, IMO. I'm not sure if Charles will be there at 2.8.. if I take Charles, I'd be hoping for Cooper @ 3.3

What I am hoping to come away with in my first 3 picks are Beckham/Jones, Nelson, McCoy.

In comment 13084021 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13083999 Mr Brightside said: Quote: in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall? I am also picking 3rd in a 10 team league. Mine is full PPR. I'd like Nelson in the 2nd rd. Marshall will/should be off the board and it's too early to take Lacy or Ingram, IMO. I'm not sure if Charles will be there at 2.8.. if I take Charles, I'd be hoping for Cooper @ 3.3 What I am hoping to come away with in my first 3 picks are Beckham/Jones, Nelson, McCoy.

I forgot about Nelson...I agree, though I think I can get a good RB in the 3rd so I'll take best WR left in the 2nd.

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in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall?

I doubt gronk will fall, but that would be my hope. I would NOT take Lacy or Ingram if it's me. I see really good RB's going in rd's 4-6 that are just as good. I would take the best WR if there's still a top notch WR, but Charles, Bell and a few other really good RB's seem to be falling there. I don't put Lacy or Ingram in that class, but that's just me.

third pick was Gurley. I was 2nd pick so I ended up with Beckham, and then went RBs with 2nd and 3rd (yea, yea) in Lacy and then Ingram. My 2nd receiver ended up Fitzgerald in 6th. I did get Eli for the stack with Beckham.

Even though the new FF strategy is WR, WR, I have more issues trying to salvage RB on waiver, trades, etc than WR the past couple of years. IMO

I have the 9th pick and was offered the 5th pick. Considering it, but I'm not sure. I don't like Johnson and I don't know if I want to take AP at 5, but what if OBJ, AB, Jones and Gurley are all gone? I'd be forced to take a RB and I really want to wait on RB's because I like the RB's going in the 4-6 rds of the mocks I'm doing.

You probably could have gotten a top tier WR with your 2nd pick and a comparable RB in rd 4 to Lacy or Ingram. What were the WR's available in rd 2?

3 RB's I really like in that 4-6 rd range..

DeMarco Murray
Carlos Hyde
Jeremy Langford

How do you guys feel about the Bengal RB's? They seem to be drafted pretty close to one another. Is it as simple as preferring Bernard in a PPR and Hill in standard? Are you avoiding them?

I ran into a situation in a mock where they were pretty much the best RB's on the board and the draft pretty much dictated that I should go RB at that point.. but I flip flopped between them and couldn't really decide. I like Hill a lot more as a player and think he is going to get more carries and score more than Bernard does but I realize that the pass catching aspect puts Bernard on pretty even ground with him.

To get some customized rankings?

The problem is he's ranked too aggressively for me on ESPN...like 40 or 41 or something. I won't use a 4th or early 5th on him so I'll try to get Murray or Langford later.

In comment 13084059 Carl in CT said:

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To get some customized rankings?

Fantasy Pros, FFtoolbox. Footballguys draft dominator app is $5 and basically does all the work for you.

In comment 13084055 arcarsenal said:

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3 RB's I really like in that 4-6 rd range.. DeMarco Murray Carlos Hyde Jeremy Langford How do you guys feel about the Bengal RB's? They seem to be drafted pretty close to one another. Is it as simple as preferring Bernard in a PPR and Hill in standard? Are you avoiding them? I ran into a situation in a mock where they were pretty much the best RB's on the board and the draft pretty much dictated that I should go RB at that point.. but I flip flopped between them and couldn't really decide. I like Hill a lot more as a player and think he is going to get more carries and score more than Bernard does but I realize that the pass catching aspect puts Bernard on pretty even ground with him.

I like Hyde if he can stay healthy.

I can add a few. Forte, Matthews, Foster, Rawls(I know you aren't a fan).

I'd be ok with Hill as my RB2 if I got him in rd 6.

I will reiterate that I really like Langford and hes going in rd5 and 6 in most mocks. To me, that's a steal.

Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15

Here are my Top 16:

1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT
2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG
3-Julio Jones WR | ATL
4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU
5-A.J. Green WR | CIN
6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR
7-David Johnson RB | ARI
8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN
9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL

Cam Newton QB | CAR
Rob Gronkowski TE | NE
Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ
Allen Robinson WR | JAC
Keenan Allen WR | SD
Dez Bryant WR | DAL
Lamar Miller RB | HOU

I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick:

Antonio Brown WR | PIT
Odell Beckham WR | NYG
Julio Jones WR | ATL
DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU
A.J. Green WR | CIN
Todd Gurley RB | LAR
David Johnson RB | ARI
Adrian Peterson RB | MIN
Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL

Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip.

At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby.

In comment 13084069 Keith said:

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I can add a few. Forte, Matthews, Foster, Rawls(I know you aren't a fan). I'd be ok with Hill as my RB2 if I got him in rd 6.

Forte is also on that list.. I meant to add him.

I'm iffy on Mathews.. I like Foster if I can get a hold of Ajayi a few rounds later to protect myself from the inevitable injury.

I really like Rawls the player but they seem like they have 5 RB's in the mix right now, he came into camp not 100%.. it's just a situation I'd rather avoid. But this is also because Rawls has been going too high for my liking in mocks. If the thinking is similar in my actual draft I can see him falling to a point where I might say "okay, I'll take the risk here"

with the 2nd pick, you wait awhile and then you have the 2 clustered 2nd/3rd picks. So with Beckham, you either go WR/RB or RB/RB. Since you have to wait awhile for your next cluster, its sort of all or nothing in 2nd/3rd as there is a big drop off in both WR and RB at the next cluster. WRs were Edleman, Cooks, Evans, Allen, and Nelson. I chose to take care of RBs and then the single WR later as I was forced to take Eli (big run on QBs in 4th) and TE the way my draft fell. I still feel I have a better team with 2 stacked backs and a 2nd tier WR than had I picked WR/RB. IMO

In comment 13084082 stoneman said:

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with the 2nd pick, you wait awhile and then you have the 2 clustered 2nd/3rd picks. So with Beckham, you either go WR/RB or RB/RB. Since you have to wait awhile for your next cluster, its sort of all or nothing in 2nd/3rd as there is a big drop off in both WR and RB at the next cluster. WRs were Edleman, Cooks, Evans, Allen, and Nelson. I chose to take care of RBs and then the single WR later as I was forced to take Eli (big run on QBs in 4th) and TE the way my draft fell. I still feel I have a better team with 2 stacked backs and a 2nd tier WR than had I picked WR/RB. IMO

I would have taken Allen or Nelson and then Ingram in the 3rd. Was McCoy on the board when you made your 3rd pick?

I'd look at a the offensive power of the New England.
With two tight ends that are super blockers their running game
going to be great.
JMHO

In comment 13084077 drkenneth said:

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Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby.

I wouldn't take Newton until the 4th rd... I just don't like QB early. I think you absolutely have to come away with a combo of 3 stud WR/RB (or Gronk) in the first 3 rounds. I would probably take Miller or ARob and Marshall.

In comment 13084068 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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In comment 13084055 arcarsenal said: Quote: 3 RB's I really like in that 4-6 rd range.. DeMarco Murray Carlos Hyde Jeremy Langford How do you guys feel about the Bengal RB's? They seem to be drafted pretty close to one another. Is it as simple as preferring Bernard in a PPR and Hill in standard? Are you avoiding them? I ran into a situation in a mock where they were pretty much the best RB's on the board and the draft pretty much dictated that I should go RB at that point.. but I flip flopped between them and couldn't really decide. I like Hill a lot more as a player and think he is going to get more carries and score more than Bernard does but I realize that the pass catching aspect puts Bernard on pretty even ground with him. I like Hyde if he can stay healthy.

I DONT trust Kelly at all. He had a great Rb in McCoy and traded him away to the Bills for a 2nd year lber who is not on the team anymore.

With OBJ/Julio as my first pick, who would you guys choose as your 2nd/3rd picks out of these players?

1. Keenan Allen
2. Alshon Jeffrey
3. Jordy Nelson
4. Lesean McCoy
5. Mark Ingram
6. Demaryius Thomas

McCoy was gone before my 2nd pick - not even a chance at 2.

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With OBJ/Julio as my first pick, who would you guys choose as your 2nd/3rd picks out of these players? 1. Keenan Allen 2. Alshon Jeffrey 3. Jordy Nelson 4. Lesean McCoy 5. Mark Ingram 6. Demaryius Thomas

I'd say that's a good order. Nelson would be #1 if there were no doubts about his comeback, rolling the dice is probably worth it, IMO. His chemistry with Rodgers is just absurd. Here's my list taking that into account.

Nelson
Allen
McCoy
Jeffery
Ingram
Thomas

I'm targeting a WR and Gronk with my first 2 picks(if no gronk, then WR/WR) and I'm looking for McCoy with my 3rd pick. If no McCoy, maybe Cam or Rodgers if they are there. If not, I can go anywhere with my 3rd pick. With my 4th, I'm seeing Reed or Olsen in most of my drafts. Then with my next pick I'm getting a really good RB(Forte, Langford, etc...).

I just did a mock and it was my favorite one yet:

Rd 1(9): Dez
Rd 2: AJ Green
Rd 3: McCoy
Rd 4: Reed
rd 5: Murray(auto pick, but I'd be ok with him or a RB here)
rd 6: Landry(steal)
rd 7: Brady


rd 10: Foster(steal)

In comment 13084119 Sly Guy said:

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With OBJ/Julio as my first pick, who would you guys choose as your 2nd/3rd picks out of these players? 1. Keenan Allen 2. Alshon Jeffrey 3. Jordy Nelson 4. Lesean McCoy 5. Mark Ingram 6. Demaryius Thomas

Keenan Allen

In comment 13084077 drkenneth said:

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Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby.

Do QB's get 6pts per passing TD?

Taylor looks really good and teams need to respect him. McCoy should get lots of open space and he's electric in space.

I won't post my whole team, but in a PPR league where I can start 4 WR's I have:

Beckham, Watkins, Cooper, Landry, Marvin Jones, Devin Funchess and Michael Thomas

I could upgrade RB2, and QB.

Most of the offers are for Landry and/or Watkins.

The latest is Chris Ivory for Landry.

I'm not a huge fan of Ivory, but I could counter and ask for D. Murray, Arian Foster, and/or Tyrod Taylor.

Would Landry, who I like, but feel like I can trade him and not hurt my team, for any of those backs and/or Taylor be worth it?

My RB's are: Gurley, Abdullah, Starks, Washington, Barner, Perkins

QB: Romo and RG3

So I guess I posted my whole team.

I know Christine Michael is getting a ton of pub in the preseason, but I'm not buying it. Rawls is really, really good. Michael was released last year after not impressing, picked up by Dallas, couldn't touch the field when they were desperate for a RB and then picked back up by Seattle. I'm not buying the hype at all. Rawls will be the man and the RB on that team will have lots of success. I like Rawls.

Landry>>>>>>>>Ivory. I understand you are deep and could use a RB2, but I wouldn't panic. There is lots of time and plenty of RB's will become available. I wouldn't trade a WR just because you need a RB before the season starts. Unless someone comes much better than that, I wouldn't do it.

I definitely wouldn't trade Landry for Ivory. I still feel like Landry for Murray, the team getting Landry makes out slightly better but I do think it would improve your team overall.

Your QB sitch isn't ideal because it's basically completely dependent on Romo not getting hurt. Nothing better than RG3 in the FA pool?

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I won't post my whole team, but in a PPR league where I can start 4 WR's I have: Beckham, Watkins, Cooper, Landry, Marvin Jones, Devin Funchess and Michael Thomas I could upgrade RB2, and QB. Most of the offers are for Landry and/or Watkins. The latest is Chris Ivory for Landry. I'm not a huge fan of Ivory, but I could counter and ask for D. Murray, Arian Foster, and/or Tyrod Taylor. Would Landry, who I like, but feel like I can trade him and not hurt my team, for any of those backs and/or Taylor be worth it? My RB's are: Gurley, Abdullah, Starks, Washington, Barner, Perkins QB: Romo and RG3 So I guess I posted my whole team.

No way in hell would I trade Landry for Chris Ivory. I would instead do a Sammy Watkins for Demarco Murray trade.

the value of your WR's, if you think all will have good seasons (you should since you drafted them), should increase as the year goes on. I don't think Ivory's value will change much unless Yeldon gets a big injury.

I'd want a better, more dynamic RB than Ivory in exchange for Landry and I think its OK to wait for that opportunity to come to you. I generally hate making preseason trades unless you are clearly winning it.

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I know Christine Michael is getting a ton of pub in the preseason, but I'm not buying it. Rawls is really, really good. Michael was released last year after not impressing, picked up by Dallas, couldn't touch the field when they were desperate for a RB and then picked back up by Seattle. I'm not buying the hype at all. Rawls will be the man and the RB on that team will have lots of success. I like Rawls.

Michael doesn't really worry me in particular, I know he's not much of a RB.. but between Procise and Collins and Michael I just wonder if Rawls is truly going to get those workhorse type touches that Lynch used to get or if it's going to be a clusterfuck type of RBBC kind of like we have here with the Giants.

In comment 13084159 arcarsenal said:

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I definitely wouldn't trade Landry for Ivory. I still feel like Landry for Murray, the team getting Landry makes out slightly better but I do think it would improve your team overall. Your QB sitch isn't ideal because it's basically completely dependent on Romo not getting hurt. Nothing better than RG3 in the FA pool?

I have Dak Prescott too as Romo insurance - not that I expect much from a rookie QB if Romo gets hurt, but I can't remember a rookie QB looking so good in the pre-season. I actually think RG3 will be decent in FFL.

FA QB's:
Osweiler
Cutler
Alex Smith
Flacco
Bradford
Goff
Kaepernick/Gabbert
Sanchez
Semien

but Lynch was a Rd 1 pick and Rawls is going around rd5/6. He was awesome when he filled in last year and was healthy. Averaged 5.6 yards per carry. Pretty much a lock for 100 yards per game when he actually got the touches.

In comment 13084142 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13084077 drkenneth said: Quote: Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby. Do QB's get 6pts per passing TD?

Yes. All TDs are 6 points.

Stop being fooled by preseason, it means nothing.

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Stop being fooled by preseason, it means nothing.

I haven't watched him in pre-season. I like Hue Jackson's offense and think he can be ok in it.

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In comment 13084142 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13084077 drkenneth said: Quote: Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby. Do QB's get 6pts per passing TD? Yes. All TDs are 6 points.

Then I don't think it's too early for Cam if he's the best value on the board.

I just don't usually draft a QB that early but teams that have in the past, have won so there's nothing wrong with it.

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but Lynch was a Rd 1 pick and Rawls is going around rd5/6. He was awesome when he filled in last year and was healthy. Averaged 5.6 yards per carry. Pretty much a lock for 100 yards per game when he actually got the touches.

Yeah, he was great.. I had him last year and he helped carry my team down the stretch. Had that insane 200 yard rushing / 50 yard receiving game. He got hurt at the worst time. I had a 13-1 team and lost the first playoff game because of my RB situation.

I think you're probably right about him though.. he's one of those guys I maybe prematurely put a mental red flag on and probably shouldn't "avoid" drafting.

practicing? I haven't been keen on Seattle much, not sure if he's playing the Cowboys or not.

He's supposed to be ready to go Week 1.. and it was a broken ankle so it's not a ligament issue where you have to worry that he might not be the same or won't be as quick. Not sure if he's getting any preseason work in beforehand.

I don't see him lasting in round 5 in my league, so i'll have to decide how early is the earliest i'd take him.

I do the same thing, I have a mental block on certain guys and it's sometimes unwarranted. I love guys like Rawls that doesn't have the name yet and other guys are getting preseason love from the press. I laugh when people say Michael will steal the touches. He was awful last year for 2 teams including Seattle.

Yup.. it has cost me a few players that I should have taken in past drafts too so I am trying to go back over those players this year and really decide if my bias is warranted or not. The draft can really open up for you if you lift a few blocks off certain guys.

Rd 1 level guy: David Johnson. No history, good backup. QB could go down easy.

Rd1/2: DeAndre Hopkins. Great talent, bad QB.

Rd 3: Keenan Allen: Plagued with inconsistency, injuries. Never put it together.

Eddie Lacy: Never liked him or their RB for FF. Rodgers loves to throw, especially on goalline.

Mark Ingram: Never liked RB's on the saints. They rotate too much.

Doug Baldwin: I just can't justify taking a WR in that offense.

There are a few.

I love David Johnson, he does it all, and I think he'd thrive with Drew Stanton at QB or Palmer. He's QB agnostic.

he breaks tackles, he has elite speed, and good hands.

DeAndre Hopkins proved to be QB Bullet proof too. He wasn't like a Bortles who benefitted from being in deep holes so they had to pass and he was practically the only offensive threat on his team and he still put up ridiculous numbers (111 catches, 1500+ yards 11 TD's) with Ryan Mallett, Hoyer, Yates and Weeden passing the ball and no Arian Foster most of the season. No reason to believe that changes with Lamar Miller healthy and Brock Osweiler.

Keenan Allen has more value in PPR, he did have peaks and valleys, but man those peaks were enough to make a difference in those weeks. I don't value him as much as some people do, but I definitely wouldn't avoid him.

Lacy, Ingram, and Baldwin I am closer to your line of thinking than their ADP. I don't love any of them.

Regarding Hopkins, I agree. I've even said the same things. I don't know why, but when I do my mocks, I don't put him in the same class as the other upper echelon receivers. If I see him as my first or 2nd pick, mentally, my team just looks worse.

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Rd 1 level guy: David Johnson. No history, good backup. QB could go down easy. Rd1/2: DeAndre Hopkins. Great talent, bad QB. Rd 3: Keenan Allen: Plagued with inconsistency, injuries. Never put it together. Eddie Lacy: Never liked him or their RB for FF. Rodgers loves to throw, especially on goalline. Mark Ingram: Never liked RB's on the saints. They rotate too much. Doug Baldwin: I just can't justify taking a WR in that offense. There are a few.

My thinking on DJ is that he could have an absolutely monster year and finish as the RB1 but I still feel like there's a bit of risk just in the sense that his sample size as a top tier RB is pretty small. Because of my draft slots in each league I am in, I essentially have no chance of drafting him so I haven't spent too much time thinking about whether I'd take him or not.. but I really prefer not to have any "doubt" about my first round pick outside of them staying healthy for 16 games. DJ would make me slightly uneasy but I'm leaning more towards him having a great year than a disappointing one. Gurley and AP are "safer" but I think Johnson has a pretty good chance of out-producing both. I think if push came to shove, I would probably draft him anywhere in the 4-10 range.

I think Hopkins proved that his QB situation didn't matter much.. I think he'll have a similar year. Probably 100 receptions.. maybe a small decrease in TD's. Should still be a safe bet to start every week as a WR1.

I really think Allen will be a PPR machine this year. A kidney injury isn't something that worries me as far as lingering effects or increasing the liklihood of re-injury. He was a target monster last year before he got hurt and with Gates really getting up there in age, I think Rivers is going to force feed him every week.

I know we've disagreed on Lacy.. but I like him late in the 3rd round. I think he's going to have a year on par with his first two. He's just such a load to bring down and Rodgers trusts him in the pass game. He dumps it off to him in the flat a lot when protections break down and he can't get downfield.

I am with you on Baldwin. The TD production was unsustainable. I'd rather have Lockett a few rounds later. I think the value will be better.

of my last mock, it felt dirty, but that's pretty good value.

Early 4th is great value on Lacy. I would run to pick him there and not even think twice.

I am in a 12 team PPR league where we keep one player. I am keeping Le'Veon Bell basically because he was the only player worth keeping.

I have the first pick. Injuries killed me last year but was able to win the toilet bowl. Hopkins tops the list on non-keepers. I was planning on taking Elliot but the commissioner just asked me how I felt about changing up the keeper rule where you can only keep a player drafted after the 7th round. If that is the case then Hopkins is definitely my pick.

However, Green and Gronk are also available. What do you guys think? I actually really like Green this year but I have to take Hopkins, right?

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I am in a 12 team PPR league where we keep one player. I am keeping Le'Veon Bell basically because he was the only player worth keeping. I have the first pick. Injuries killed me last year but was able to win the toilet bowl. Hopkins tops the list on non-keepers. I was planning on taking Elliot but the commissioner just asked me how I felt about changing up the keeper rule where you can only keep a player drafted after the 7th round. If that is the case then Hopkins is definitely my pick. However, Green and Gronk are also available. What do you guys think? I actually really like Green this year but I have to take Hopkins, right?

Not sure I get it. If you can only keep a player drafted after the 7th round and you have 1st pick, how are AB, Beckham, Julio Jones now not available to you at #1?

as I have Eifert and he'll be out for those weeks.

I spent my last pick on ASJ but it appears he's in a timeshare. Any TEs you guys would recommend I drop him for? Charles Clay and Donnell are both FAs. Not too hot on Donnell since I think Tye will get snaps, but I'm unsure as to whether I should cut ASJ for Clay.

Clay has a higher floor and is more of a safe play while Eifert is out, but ASJ has big time potential IMO and has more upside.

What do you guys think?

Am I understanding that right? I'd rank them:

Gronk
Green


Elliot

I'm not taking the chance on a rookie who has done nothing when he has talent behind him. They have McFadden and Morris who will get touches. Elliot has done nothing to be in the class of Gronk and Green. I pray someone drafts him before my 9th pick.

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as I have Eifert and he'll be out for those weeks. I spent my last pick on ASJ but it appears he's in a timeshare. Any TEs you guys would recommend I drop him for? Charles Clay and Donnell are both FAs. Not too hot on Donnell since I think Tye will get snaps, but I'm unsure as to whether I should cut ASJ for Clay. Clay has a higher floor and is more of a safe play while Eifert is out, but ASJ has big time potential IMO and has more upside. What do you guys think?

Who else is there? I read that ASJ is in the doghouse and buried on the depth chart, though that was early in training camp.

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In comment 13084424 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: I am in a 12 team PPR league where we keep one player. I am keeping Le'Veon Bell basically because he was the only player worth keeping. I have the first pick. Injuries killed me last year but was able to win the toilet bowl. Hopkins tops the list on non-keepers. I was planning on taking Elliot but the commissioner just asked me how I felt about changing up the keeper rule where you can only keep a player drafted after the 7th round. If that is the case then Hopkins is definitely my pick. However, Green and Gronk are also available. What do you guys think? I actually really like Green this year but I have to take Hopkins, right? Not sure I get it. If you can only keep a player drafted after the 7th round and you have 1st pick, how are AB, Beckham, Julio Jones now not available to you at #1?

We keep one player as of now. They want to change the keeper rule. That wouldn't go in effect until next year.

Know much about football. It's the weirdest lineup I've seen.
Starters:
2QB
3WR
3RB
1 flex
1 te
1 k
1 def

10 person snake draft. 4pts for throwing td.

Any advice on how to try to fill the lineup?

In comment 13084464 Keith said:

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Am I understanding that right? I'd rank them: Gronk Green Elliot I'm not taking the chance on a rookie who has done nothing when he has talent behind him. They have McFadden and Morris who will get touches. Elliot has done nothing to be in the class of Gronk and Green. I pray someone drafts him before my 9th pick.

If I took Elliot it would be under the assumption that I can keep him for next year. Yes, I understand that most people would take other over him but I like to look long term. Is it risky for me to take him essentially at 13 overall? Yes but I don't trust Bell long term and I can see Elliot being a top pick next year like Gurley and DJ currently are now.

In comment 13084479 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13084464 Keith said: Quote: Am I understanding that right? I'd rank them: Gronk Green Elliot I'm not taking the chance on a rookie who has done nothing when he has talent behind him. They have McFadden and Morris who will get touches. Elliot has done nothing to be in the class of Gronk and Green. I pray someone drafts him before my 9th pick. If I took Elliot it would be under the assumption that I can keep him for next year. Yes, I understand that most people would take other over him but I like to look long term. Is it risky for me to take him essentially at 13 overall? Yes but I don't trust Bell long term and I can see Elliot being a top pick next year like Gurley and DJ currently are now.

I'd take Elliott.

In comment 13084479 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13084464 Keith said: Quote: Am I understanding that right? I'd rank them: Gronk Green Elliot I'm not taking the chance on a rookie who has done nothing when he has talent behind him. They have McFadden and Morris who will get touches. Elliot has done nothing to be in the class of Gronk and Green. I pray someone drafts him before my 9th pick. If I took Elliot it would be under the assumption that I can keep him for next year. Yes, I understand that most people would take other over him but I like to look long term. Is it risky for me to take him essentially at 13 overall? Yes but I don't trust Bell long term and I can see Elliot being a top pick next year like Gurley and DJ currently are now.

I had a 14 team league that drafted WAY too early, where I had the 13th pick. I used the exact same thought process to pass on Elliot for Ingram with my second rd pick (16 overall...plus I took Dez in rd 1 and didn't want to hitch my wagon to one offense)... and I immediately regretted it. Ingram should be fine but I think if you get Elliot at 13, you should take a shot on him based on projects.

I know Morris is a very good back and McFadden is capable, but based on the hype, it seems the Cowboys are going to do everything to make Elliot their starting RB.

I also was concerned about volume, as I don't know if he'll be the true bellcow that Ingram has been. But after taking Ingram, that pick has been eating at me, as if I feel that I made the wrong choice.

In comment 13084487 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13084479 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 13084464 Keith said: Quote: Am I understanding that right? I'd rank them: Gronk Green Elliot I'm not taking the chance on a rookie who has done nothing when he has talent behind him. They have McFadden and Morris who will get touches. Elliot has done nothing to be in the class of Gronk and Green. I pray someone drafts him before my 9th pick. If I took Elliot it would be under the assumption that I can keep him for next year. Yes, I understand that most people would take other over him but I like to look long term. Is it risky for me to take him essentially at 13 overall? Yes but I don't trust Bell long term and I can see Elliot being a top pick next year like Gurley and DJ currently are now. I'd take Elliott.

Elliott went #1 overall in my keeper league where we keep 2 players and the available players included Julio Jones, Lamar Miller, Cam Newton, Eddie Lacy, Gronk, and others.

Easier decision I guess with less options, but still Julio Jones is better than Green, Gronk, or Hopkins.

In comment 13084465 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13084458 Sonic Youth said: Quote: as I have Eifert and he'll be out for those weeks. I spent my last pick on ASJ but it appears he's in a timeshare. Any TEs you guys would recommend I drop him for? Charles Clay and Donnell are both FAs. Not too hot on Donnell since I think Tye will get snaps, but I'm unsure as to whether I should cut ASJ for Clay. Clay has a higher floor and is more of a safe play while Eifert is out, but ASJ has big time potential IMO and has more upside. What do you guys think? Who else is there? I read that ASJ is in the doghouse and buried on the depth chart, though that was early in training camp.

Available TEs:
Richard Rodgers
Charles Clay
Owen Daniels
Crocket Gillmore
Brent Celek
Vance MacDonald
Clife Walford
Vernon Davis
Hunter Henry
Jace Amaro
Jesse James (intriguing pick)
Tyler Higbee
austin Hooper


I'm thinking James, Clay, Donnell, or maybe Amaro. But mostly Clay or Donnell. James intrigues me a lot though if Ladarius Green will be out for a long time. He might be worth the shot.

or someone was talking up Higbee on here maybe not to start day 1, but as a late round pick so not sure he helps you.

A Steelers fan in my draft took Jesse James and was thrilled to get him in round 16 or whenever.

otherwise you're rolling the dice. Donnell, if he makes the team might be worth it, since he's still getting red zone targets at least, but I think Tye passes him completely at some point this year if not week 1.

In comment 13084517 Sonic Youth said:

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Available TEs: Richard Rodgers Charles Clay Owen Daniels Crocket Gillmore Brent Celek Vance MacDonald Clife Walford Vernon Davis Hunter Henry Jace Amaro Jesse James (intriguing pick) Tyler Higbee austin Hooper I'm thinking James, Clay, Donnell, or maybe Amaro. But mostly Clay or Donnell. James intrigues me a lot though if Ladarius Green will be out for a long time. He might be worth the shot.

Jets TE's had like 3 catches all of last year. I wouldn't be too interested in Amaro

I don't know why you keep bringing up Julio. He isn't an option. lol. That would be fantastic if he was though.

And, yes, I brought up Higbee as a player to keep an eye on.

so Elliot for the long term keeper status. That makes more sense.

Clay easily tops the list with Hunter as a possible wildcard depending on how they use him. But, like pj pointed out, keep an eye on Higbee.

In comment 13084551 robbieballs2003 said:

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I don't know why you keep bringing up Julio. He isn't an option. lol. That would be fantastic if he was though. And, yes, I brought up Higbee as a player to keep an eye on.

Do I keep bringing up Julio?

I mentioned him in the last post to show that in my keeper league Elliott went #1 and Julio was available.

Just to show that how some people in other leagues value Elliott immensely. I never said he was available to you, only that he was better than your available options and people (at least one) in my league took Elliott ahead of him.

Sorry if that was confusing.

Have I brought him up in any other way?

In comment 13084553 Keith said:

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so Elliot for the long term keeper status. That makes more sense.

Yeah, that is why he isn't in the conversation for me if we change the keeper rule. If we change it then I would not be able to keep him. If we keep it the same where you can keep anybody then he jumps to the top of the list. If I took Elliot I would definitely be putting myself behind the eight ball with Bell who is suspended for 3 games and a rookie RB so chances of me truly competing would be less. But I look at it like this, Bell is very risky himself and I am not thrilled with him as my keeper. I tried trading him for Beckham and DJ. Neither owner wanted to even think about it and that was before the suspension came out. I get it with those two players but a couple of days later news broke about his possible suspension and that just shut down all trade talks. In a one keeper league he worries me. I also worry that I am going to get off to a slow start as well which is why Elliot made more sense to me by thinking long term.

This league is also very deep so every team starts questionable players. We start 1 QB, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and a flex on top of a K and D. With byes and injuries it becomes a shitshow. lol.

In comment 13084556 robbieballs2003 said:

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Clay easily tops the list with Hunter as a possible wildcard depending on how they use him. But, like pj pointed out, keep an eye on Higbee.

Here is some recent news on ASJ:

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Wed, Aug 24 Coach Dirk Koetter praised Austin Seferian-Jenkins' work ethic over the past couple weeks. Advice: After opening camp as the clear No. 2 to Cameron Brate, ASJ has gained the ground back and is splitting first-team reps with Brate. "Austin's worked his way right back in there," Koetter said. "And when he got moved down the depth chart all you can ask a player when he gets moved down is that he competes and does better and tries to get back up there and he's done that." It was a motivational tactic by Koetter, and it's paid off. ASJ is a high-upside late-round flier.

In comment 13084559 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13084551 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: I don't know why you keep bringing up Julio. He isn't an option. lol. That would be fantastic if he was though. And, yes, I brought up Higbee as a player to keep an eye on. Do I keep bringing up Julio? I mentioned him in the last post to show that in my keeper league Elliott went #1 and Julio was available. Just to show that how some people in other leagues value Elliott immensely. I never said he was available to you, only that he was better than your available options and people (at least one) in my league took Elliott ahead of him. Sorry if that was confusing. Have I brought him up in any other way?

Gotcha. I thought you were bringing him up as an option for me. I think you posted him twice. No big deal. I thought it was funny. I agree with you. Elliot is very risky. We have no idea if Dallas will have Elliot as the bell cow but it is just automatically assumed he will be. I thought Morris looked decent behind the OL and rookies usually run into a wall. So, I am fully aware that there is a downside with Elliot compared to some of the other players available. I don't know if I want the keeper rule changed. On one hand I would be more competitive this year if it does change. However, having the potential of Elliot as a keeper would be nice too. To totally different situations and we will not know the outcome of this until right before we draft. I hate that.

Sometimes, you can't fight the #s. My only FF phobia is with Doug Martin as he single hanledly ruined our FF team his sophomore year. No injury, no nothing except he totally bit that year as our #1 pick - LOL. The pain.

As far as Lacy is concerned, he has had 2 down years, last year almost being cut. But you have to follow this years hype with him coming in in shape and all. Also, the GB offense isn't as pass happy as it once was without a TE.

The only reason I like Ingram is that he beat us twice last year with huge games. If NO didn't suck so bad, his #s would look gaudy. He just has to stay healthy.

Am I crazy for liking Green more than Hopkins? They are both great players but Hopkins had like 190 targets last year. I cannot see that being repeated which means he would need to have more explosive plays to be just as good as last year.

I can see Green's targets increasing amd he is easily their main target. Eifert seems like he is always injured. I think I like Greem more than Hopkins this year.

Another guy that I think isn't getting enough talk is Allen Robinson. I would definitely take Robinson over Dez and Nelson in drafts.

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Sometimes, you can't fight the #s. My only FF phobia is with Doug Martin as he single hanledly ruined our FF team his sophomore year. No injury, no nothing except he totally bit that year as our #1 pick - LOL. The pain. As far as Lacy is concerned, he has had 2 down years, last year almost being cut. But you have to follow this years hype with him coming in in shape and all. Also, the GB offense isn't as pass happy as it once was without a TE. The only reason I like Ingram is that he beat us twice last year with huge games. If NO didn't suck so bad, his #s would look gaudy. He just has to stay healthy.

What other "down year" did Lacy have besides last season? His first 2 seasons he was very good. He started slow in 2014 but had a very strong finish.

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Sometimes, you can't fight the #s. My only FF phobia is with Doug Martin as he single hanledly ruined our FF team his sophomore year. No injury, no nothing except he totally bit that year as our #1 pick - LOL. The pain. As far as Lacy is concerned, he has had 2 down years, last year almost being cut. But you have to follow this years hype with him coming in in shape and all. Also, the GB offense isn't as pass happy as it once was without a TE. The only reason I like Ingram is that he beat us twice last year with huge games. If NO didn't suck so bad, his #s would look gaudy. He just has to stay healthy.

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In comment 13084720 robbieballs2003 said:

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Am I crazy for liking Green more than Hopkins? They are both great players but Hopkins had like 190 targets last year. I cannot see that being repeated which means he would need to have more explosive plays to be just as good as last year. I can see Green's targets increasing amd he is easily their main target. Eifert seems like he is always injured. I think I like Greem more than Hopkins this year. Another guy that I think isn't getting enough talk is Allen Robinson. I would definitely take Robinson over Dez and Nelson in drafts.

Not crazy, no. I also have Green ranked slightly ahead of Hopkins.

if I end up picking 8-12 I'm 100% taking him over every RB in that range, Dez, and Gronk.

both have great years.

When Hopkins was the only option with a bad QB he was practically unstoppable I don't see why having a couple rookie WR's and a new RB should change that substantially.

Plus, Green should get more targets not just because Eifert is injured, but because Jones and Sanu are gone.

he's got guys like Brandon LaFell and Brandon Tate in his depth chart.

Bengals have a favorable SOS too.

I don't think I'd wager on either one outproducing the other, but Hopkins so far has a higher ADP than Green, but I'd be happy with either.

in my 12 team standard league and I immediately thought of AJ Green being my guy there. I'd take him over Hopkins or Dez.

In comment 13084766 pjcas18 said:

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both have great years. When Hopkins was the only option with a bad QB he was practically unstoppable I don't see why having a couple rookie WR's and a new RB should change that substantially. Plus, Green should get more targets not just because Eifert is injured, but because Jones and Sanu are gone. he's got guys like Brandon LaFell and Brandon Tate in his depth chart. Bengals have a favorable SOS too. I don't think I'd wager on either one outproducing the other, but Hopkins so far has a higher ADP than Green, but I'd be happy with either.

What do you think is a realistic expectation for Fuller this year opposite Hopkins?

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In comment 13084766 pjcas18 said: Quote: both have great years. When Hopkins was the only option with a bad QB he was practically unstoppable I don't see why having a couple rookie WR's and a new RB should change that substantially. Plus, Green should get more targets not just because Eifert is injured, but because Jones and Sanu are gone. he's got guys like Brandon LaFell and Brandon Tate in his depth chart. Bengals have a favorable SOS too. I don't think I'd wager on either one outproducing the other, but Hopkins so far has a higher ADP than Green, but I'd be happy with either. What do you think is a realistic expectation for Fuller this year opposite Hopkins?

I wasn't that high on him in the draft but he has played well so far for Houston and I liked what I saw in the last preseason game from him. I have a hard time drafting the second WR on Houston but I am more open to drafting him now.

In comment 13084766 pjcas18 said:

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both have great years. When Hopkins was the only option with a bad QB he was practically unstoppable I don't see why having a couple rookie WR's and a new RB should change that substantially. Plus, Green should get more targets not just because Eifert is injured, but because Jones and Sanu are gone. he's got guys like Brandon LaFell and Brandon Tate in his depth chart. Bengals have a favorable SOS too. I don't think I'd wager on either one outproducing the other, but Hopkins so far has a higher ADP than Green, but I'd be happy with either.

Yep, I forgot to mention that about the SoS. Green has a great situation if you go by last year's rankings of defenses against WRs.

In comment 13084803 JayBinQueens said:

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In comment 13084766 pjcas18 said: Quote: both have great years. When Hopkins was the only option with a bad QB he was practically unstoppable I don't see why having a couple rookie WR's and a new RB should change that substantially. Plus, Green should get more targets not just because Eifert is injured, but because Jones and Sanu are gone. he's got guys like Brandon LaFell and Brandon Tate in his depth chart. Bengals have a favorable SOS too. I don't think I'd wager on either one outproducing the other, but Hopkins so far has a higher ADP than Green, but I'd be happy with either. What do you think is a realistic expectation for Fuller this year opposite Hopkins?

Pure guess here, but once Fuller definitely wins the starting job I'll be more comfortable - and I think he will, but I think 50 catches 600 yards and 4 TD's would be well within my expectations.

In comment 13084728 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13084660 stoneman said: Quote: Sometimes, you can't fight the #s. My only FF phobia is with Doug Martin as he single hanledly ruined our FF team his sophomore year. No injury, no nothing except he totally bit that year as our #1 pick - LOL. The pain. As far as Lacy is concerned, he has had 2 down years, last year almost being cut. But you have to follow this years hype with him coming in in shape and all. Also, the GB offense isn't as pass happy as it once was without a TE. The only reason I like Ingram is that he beat us twice last year with huge games. If NO didn't suck so bad, his #s would look gaudy. He just has to stay healthy. What other "down year" did Lacy have besides last season? His first 2 seasons he was very good. He started slow in 2014 but had a very strong finish.

Yeah what down year did Lacy have year 2? He had a 200 yard and 2 TD improvement over his rookie season. By that rate Odell had a "down year" this past season.

In comment 13084720 robbieballs2003 said:

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Am I crazy for liking Green more than Hopkins? They are both great players but Hopkins had like 190 targets last year. I cannot see that being repeated which means he would need to have more explosive plays to be just as good as last year. I can see Green's targets increasing amd he is easily their main target. Eifert seems like he is always injured. I think I like Greem more than Hopkins this year. Another guy that I think isn't getting enough talk is Allen Robinson. I would definitely take Robinson over Dez and Nelson in drafts.

I like Allen Robinson but I have 2 Penn state grads drafting before I do in the second round. Which kinda sucks because I was hyped about him in the NFL when they didn't think much of his pro chances.

is that out of nowhere, the Saints started throwing him the football. This has a huge impact in PPR leagues.

Last year, he was entering the season with something like 25 catches since he'd been in the league. He had 50 in 12 games last year.

When you add in the fact that the only player behind him who could warrant touches is Spiller (and even that's arguable) coupled with his performance last year, I think he has a shot to really blow past expectations this year.

or maybe that's just what I'm telling myself to justify my reach in drafting him.

Sucked for me last year. It will be tough for me to pick him that high. I would pass.

In comment 13084891 Sonic Youth said:

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is that out of nowhere, the Saints started throwing him the football. This has a huge impact in PPR leagues. Last year, he was entering the season with something like 25 catches since he'd been in the league. He had 50 in 12 games last year. When you add in the fact that the only player behind him who could warrant touches is Spiller (and even that's arguable) coupled with his performance last year, I think he has a shot to really blow past expectations this year. or maybe that's just what I'm telling myself to justify my reach in drafting him.

I was really confused last offseason. I thought he would be a perfect get for Dallas. New Orleans never used him right. I actually wanted the Giants to get him. Then I saw him re-sign with NO for pretty cheap. I didn't get it. But after he was re-signed they started using him the way he should have been used and that was as a do-it-all back.

Auction style formats? Both of my leagues are that way now, I did well in both of them when we made the switch winning championships multiple years in both but the past few years my teams have struggled. I usually go the cheaper route and buy a bunch on middle tier players and sleepers instead of blowing all my money on 2-4 guys.

This year I am thinking of targeting 2 of the top 5 WR's and Gronk since there seems to be a wider gap between them and the middle tier guys at those positions. Thoughts?

Not sure how Green "sucked" for you last year. He had 1300 Yards and 10TDS even with his qb missing for four games.

I know he was great last year, but I've always hated NO offenses for RB's. They rotate a ton. Maybe it'll be different now that Ingram took the next step, but they still scare me taking him so early. Again, I just think there are RB's available in rd's 5-6 that are right there with Ingram.

In comment 13084982 ML33 said:

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Auction style formats? Both of my leagues are that way now, I did well in both of them when we made the switch winning championships multiple years in both but the past few years my teams have struggled. I usually go the cheaper route and buy a bunch on middle tier players and sleepers instead of blowing all my money on 2-4 guys. This year I am thinking of targeting 2 of the top 5 WR's and Gronk since there seems to be a wider gap between them and the middle tier guys at those positions. Thoughts?

Assuming you have a $200 budget, you'll be spending 60 for Julio/AB/OBJ 50-55 for AJ/Hopkins
Throw in another 45 or so for Gronk - - that's leaving you really thin the rest of the way money wise.

I usually try to get at least 1 stud WR and 1 stud RB and fill out the rest with 'bargains' but you have to be patient to find them

Are all players bid on at the same time? Do you go in order of ranking? Does this take place in one night like a draft or is this over days/weeks? How do owners bid and how do you know when the bidding is over?

In comment 13085060 robbieballs2003 said:

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Are all players bid on at the same time? Do you go in order of ranking? Does this take place in one night like a draft or is this over days/weeks? How do owners bid and how do you know when the bidding is over?

When we did an auction, we went around the room each person proposed a name in any random order they wanted (you could be the first person to propose someone and say "Cameron Artis-Payne $2" for example) and a dollar amount and we went in a specified order around the room and each person passed or increased the bid in set increments until there was a winner. We stupidly allowed one pass and re-enter, meaning someone says for example Julio Jones $50, and I pass, if it comes back around to me I could re-enter over the current bid (one time).

I think online auctions might work the same. I've never done an online auction, only live.

It took 6 hours for a 12-team, 17 round auction.

Never again.

In comment 13085063 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13085060 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Are all players bid on at the same time? Do you go in order of ranking? Does this take place in one night like a draft or is this over days/weeks? How do owners bid and how do you know when the bidding is over? When we did an auction, we went around the room each person proposed a name in any random order they wanted (you could be the first person to propose someone and say "Cameron Artis-Payne $2" for example) and a dollar amount and we went in a specified order around the room and each person passed or increased the bid in set increments until there was a winner. We stupidly allowed one pass and re-enter, meaning someone says for example Julio Jones $50, and I pass, if it comes back around to me I could re-enter over the current bid (one time). I think online auctions might work the same. I've never done an online auction, only live. It took 6 hours for a 12-team, 17 round auction. Never again.

That sounds crazy. There is strategy there but to go through roughly 130 something players like that in one night is rough.

In comment 13085060 robbieballs2003 said:

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Are all players bid on at the same time? Do you go in order of ranking? Does this take place in one night like a draft or is this over days/weeks? How do owners bid and how do you know when the bidding is over?

Here's how mine works.

We use ESPN. (10 teams, 0.5 PPR, 1 QB 6pt passing TDs, 3 WR + Flex. But that's not what you're asking).

We do the draft through ESPN. Players are bid upon one-by-one. The order is determined on the fly, by the managers. Each manager takes a turn nominating a player and making the opening bid. The player is awarded to the highest bidder when the bidding stops. Next manager nominates. Rinse and repeat.

We do the draft "live" at a bar with WiFi, but everyone uses a laptop or tablet. 2 reasons for this -- 1) over time people have moved or have other family shit going on, so we always have at least 1 or 2 drafting remotely. 2) the computer does all of the work and avoids a logistical nightmare of record keeping, auctioneering, and trying to maintain a baseline level of decorum.

It is a LOT of fun. I've always liked my league, but my interest has increased tenfold since we moved to auction 3 years ago.

Our draft is late Saturday afternoon. Can't wait.

On average I'd say it has taken us about 1 hour longer than snake drafting.

All good with me when the beers are flowing and we're laughing and breaking each other's balls mercilessly.

I've always wanted to try one and want to join an active league with others who are willing to give an auction league a shot. Any interest?

He was a top 3 FF RB last year at the time he got hurt. They throw him the ball, he gets all the goal line carries.. I had him last year and he was remarkably consistent. He didn't really have those monster weeks where he'd get you like 25 points but he seemed to always give you a solid 12-15 points. He barely ever had a truly shitty week.

In comment 13085068 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13085063 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13085060 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Are all players bid on at the same time? Do you go in order of ranking? Does this take place in one night like a draft or is this over days/weeks? How do owners bid and how do you know when the bidding is over? When we did an auction, we went around the room each person proposed a name in any random order they wanted (you could be the first person to propose someone and say "Cameron Artis-Payne $2" for example) and a dollar amount and we went in a specified order around the room and each person passed or increased the bid in set increments until there was a winner. We stupidly allowed one pass and re-enter, meaning someone says for example Julio Jones $50, and I pass, if it comes back around to me I could re-enter over the current bid (one time). I think online auctions might work the same. I've never done an online auction, only live. It took 6 hours for a 12-team, 17 round auction. Never again. That sounds crazy. There is strategy there but to go through roughly 130 something players like that in one night is rough.

Some guys blow their budget early on like Antonio Brown or Cam Newton, and then it gets bogged down on the middle tier guys. At the end it's a couple people with money filling out their rosters with players of their choice pretty much, thinking they were outsmarting everyone else by holding onto their budget and yet they wind up with bottom of the barrel or fringe starters.

I don't mind hanging out drinking, but snake drafts are better IMO, the only argument for an auction draft is you can feasibility get any player you want, there is no "oh well I'm 9th I can't get Beckham" so some people will say it's more fair, but I don't think it outweighs the tedium.

But you should know that it's a far, far more negative slant than I've ever heard from other auction players.

Doing it through the computer keeps it moving.

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But you should know that it's a far, far more negative slant than I've ever heard from other auction players. Doing it through the computer keeps it moving.

Yeah, if we had a site managing it maybe it would be different.

I also did an auction in a post-season league. 6 owners, each team starts 2 QB's, 4 RB's, 4 WR's, 2 TE's, 2 D/ST's and 2 K's. Symmetrically it's perfect with 12 playoff teams.

even that auction (also live) dragged on forever.

I won that post-season league so you think I'd like the format, but I don't.

bigbluehoya has had a better experience than me, and I guess I'd do it again if everyone else enjoys them but me, though my experience was painful.

Whether auction or snake, I would suggest changing your leagues' in-season player acquisition systems to FAB from waivers if you haven't done so already.

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Whether auction or snake, I would suggest changing your leagues' in-season player acquisition systems to FAB from waivers if you haven't done so already.

We did that for this year. I like that. I think free agents everyone should have a chance at, not the guy who just happens to be #1 in waiver order at the time an injury happens or a guy breaks out, especially early in the season.

Anything that changes tilt from chance to skill gets a thumbs up

I may target 2 high end WRs or 1 WR + Gronk though. There is a much bigger drop from the top few WR's to the 12-15 range in projected points then RB's. Same with Gronk. Depends on how the draft flows though, every year and every league is different with how money is spent.

Auctions have their pro's and con's. The one I have this weekend is not done online and it takes forever. I used to enjoy it but now I kinda dread it. My whole Sundays are shot. The second league I am in we do on ESPN and it goes much quicker. We start at 30 seconds per player and it goes back up to 10 seconds if there is a bid placed under 10 seconds to go. There is more strategy involved in auctions and I used to be good at picking middle tier sleepers and had nice depth because I spread my money around but with two small kids and life, I don't spend the hours like I used too preparing for the draft.

or websites with rankings?

I have a 12 team PPR draft on Friday and have had no time to do any research...

In comment 13085133 ML33 said:

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I may target 2 high end WRs or 1 WR + Gronk though. There is a much bigger drop from the top few WR's to the 12-15 range in projected points then RB's. Same with Gronk. Depends on how the draft flows though, every year and every league is different with how money is spent.

It definitely depends on draft flow. What I do is have a max that I'd spend per player and then for some bigger names a minimum that if they're going for I'll definitely bid