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in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall?

In comment 13083999 Mr Brightside said:

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in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall?

I am also picking 3rd in a 10 team league. Mine is full PPR.

I'd like Nelson in the 2nd rd. Marshall will/should be off the board and it's too early to take Lacy or Ingram, IMO. I'm not sure if Charles will be there at 2.8.. if I take Charles, I'd be hoping for Cooper @ 3.3

What I am hoping to come away with in my first 3 picks are Beckham/Jones, Nelson, McCoy.

In comment 13084021 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13083999 Mr Brightside said: Quote: in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall? I am also picking 3rd in a 10 team league. Mine is full PPR. I'd like Nelson in the 2nd rd. Marshall will/should be off the board and it's too early to take Lacy or Ingram, IMO. I'm not sure if Charles will be there at 2.8.. if I take Charles, I'd be hoping for Cooper @ 3.3 What I am hoping to come away with in my first 3 picks are Beckham/Jones, Nelson, McCoy.

I forgot about Nelson...I agree, though I think I can get a good RB in the 3rd so I'll take best WR left in the 2nd.

In comment 13083999 Mr Brightside said:

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in my 10 team 0.5 PPR league. I'm guaranteed one of the elite WR, but where should I look in round 2? One of the RBs like Charles, Lacy, or Ingram or another WR I like in Evans or Marshall?

I doubt gronk will fall, but that would be my hope. I would NOT take Lacy or Ingram if it's me. I see really good RB's going in rd's 4-6 that are just as good. I would take the best WR if there's still a top notch WR, but Charles, Bell and a few other really good RB's seem to be falling there. I don't put Lacy or Ingram in that class, but that's just me.

third pick was Gurley. I was 2nd pick so I ended up with Beckham, and then went RBs with 2nd and 3rd (yea, yea) in Lacy and then Ingram. My 2nd receiver ended up Fitzgerald in 6th. I did get Eli for the stack with Beckham.

Even though the new FF strategy is WR, WR, I have more issues trying to salvage RB on waiver, trades, etc than WR the past couple of years. IMO

I have the 9th pick and was offered the 5th pick. Considering it, but I'm not sure. I don't like Johnson and I don't know if I want to take AP at 5, but what if OBJ, AB, Jones and Gurley are all gone? I'd be forced to take a RB and I really want to wait on RB's because I like the RB's going in the 4-6 rds of the mocks I'm doing.

You probably could have gotten a top tier WR with your 2nd pick and a comparable RB in rd 4 to Lacy or Ingram. What were the WR's available in rd 2?

3 RB's I really like in that 4-6 rd range..

DeMarco Murray
Carlos Hyde
Jeremy Langford

How do you guys feel about the Bengal RB's? They seem to be drafted pretty close to one another. Is it as simple as preferring Bernard in a PPR and Hill in standard? Are you avoiding them?

I ran into a situation in a mock where they were pretty much the best RB's on the board and the draft pretty much dictated that I should go RB at that point.. but I flip flopped between them and couldn't really decide. I like Hill a lot more as a player and think he is going to get more carries and score more than Bernard does but I realize that the pass catching aspect puts Bernard on pretty even ground with him.

To get some customized rankings?

The problem is he's ranked too aggressively for me on ESPN...like 40 or 41 or something. I won't use a 4th or early 5th on him so I'll try to get Murray or Langford later.

In comment 13084059 Carl in CT said:

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To get some customized rankings?

Fantasy Pros, FFtoolbox. Footballguys draft dominator app is $5 and basically does all the work for you.

In comment 13084055 arcarsenal said:

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3 RB's I really like in that 4-6 rd range.. DeMarco Murray Carlos Hyde Jeremy Langford How do you guys feel about the Bengal RB's? They seem to be drafted pretty close to one another. Is it as simple as preferring Bernard in a PPR and Hill in standard? Are you avoiding them? I ran into a situation in a mock where they were pretty much the best RB's on the board and the draft pretty much dictated that I should go RB at that point.. but I flip flopped between them and couldn't really decide. I like Hill a lot more as a player and think he is going to get more carries and score more than Bernard does but I realize that the pass catching aspect puts Bernard on pretty even ground with him.

I like Hyde if he can stay healthy.

I can add a few. Forte, Matthews, Foster, Rawls(I know you aren't a fan).

I'd be ok with Hill as my RB2 if I got him in rd 6.

I will reiterate that I really like Langford and hes going in rd5 and 6 in most mocks. To me, that's a steal.

Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15

Here are my Top 16:

1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT
2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG
3-Julio Jones WR | ATL
4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU
5-A.J. Green WR | CIN
6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR
7-David Johnson RB | ARI
8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN
9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL

Cam Newton QB | CAR
Rob Gronkowski TE | NE
Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ
Allen Robinson WR | JAC
Keenan Allen WR | SD
Dez Bryant WR | DAL
Lamar Miller RB | HOU

I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick:

Antonio Brown WR | PIT
Odell Beckham WR | NYG
Julio Jones WR | ATL
DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU
A.J. Green WR | CIN
Todd Gurley RB | LAR
David Johnson RB | ARI
Adrian Peterson RB | MIN
Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL

Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip.

At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby.

In comment 13084069 Keith said:

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I can add a few. Forte, Matthews, Foster, Rawls(I know you aren't a fan). I'd be ok with Hill as my RB2 if I got him in rd 6.

Forte is also on that list.. I meant to add him.

I'm iffy on Mathews.. I like Foster if I can get a hold of Ajayi a few rounds later to protect myself from the inevitable injury.

I really like Rawls the player but they seem like they have 5 RB's in the mix right now, he came into camp not 100%.. it's just a situation I'd rather avoid. But this is also because Rawls has been going too high for my liking in mocks. If the thinking is similar in my actual draft I can see him falling to a point where I might say "okay, I'll take the risk here"

with the 2nd pick, you wait awhile and then you have the 2 clustered 2nd/3rd picks. So with Beckham, you either go WR/RB or RB/RB. Since you have to wait awhile for your next cluster, its sort of all or nothing in 2nd/3rd as there is a big drop off in both WR and RB at the next cluster. WRs were Edleman, Cooks, Evans, Allen, and Nelson. I chose to take care of RBs and then the single WR later as I was forced to take Eli (big run on QBs in 4th) and TE the way my draft fell. I still feel I have a better team with 2 stacked backs and a 2nd tier WR than had I picked WR/RB. IMO

In comment 13084082 stoneman said:

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with the 2nd pick, you wait awhile and then you have the 2 clustered 2nd/3rd picks. So with Beckham, you either go WR/RB or RB/RB. Since you have to wait awhile for your next cluster, its sort of all or nothing in 2nd/3rd as there is a big drop off in both WR and RB at the next cluster. WRs were Edleman, Cooks, Evans, Allen, and Nelson. I chose to take care of RBs and then the single WR later as I was forced to take Eli (big run on QBs in 4th) and TE the way my draft fell. I still feel I have a better team with 2 stacked backs and a 2nd tier WR than had I picked WR/RB. IMO

I would have taken Allen or Nelson and then Ingram in the 3rd. Was McCoy on the board when you made your 3rd pick?

I'd look at a the offensive power of the New England.
With two tight ends that are super blockers their running game
going to be great.
JMHO

In comment 13084077 drkenneth said:

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Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby.

I wouldn't take Newton until the 4th rd... I just don't like QB early. I think you absolutely have to come away with a combo of 3 stud WR/RB (or Gronk) in the first 3 rounds. I would probably take Miller or ARob and Marshall.

In comment 13084068 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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In comment 13084055 arcarsenal said: Quote: 3 RB's I really like in that 4-6 rd range.. DeMarco Murray Carlos Hyde Jeremy Langford How do you guys feel about the Bengal RB's? They seem to be drafted pretty close to one another. Is it as simple as preferring Bernard in a PPR and Hill in standard? Are you avoiding them? I ran into a situation in a mock where they were pretty much the best RB's on the board and the draft pretty much dictated that I should go RB at that point.. but I flip flopped between them and couldn't really decide. I like Hill a lot more as a player and think he is going to get more carries and score more than Bernard does but I realize that the pass catching aspect puts Bernard on pretty even ground with him. I like Hyde if he can stay healthy.

I DONT trust Kelly at all. He had a great Rb in McCoy and traded him away to the Bills for a 2nd year lber who is not on the team anymore.

With OBJ/Julio as my first pick, who would you guys choose as your 2nd/3rd picks out of these players?

1. Keenan Allen
2. Alshon Jeffrey
3. Jordy Nelson
4. Lesean McCoy
5. Mark Ingram
6. Demaryius Thomas

McCoy was gone before my 2nd pick - not even a chance at 2.

In comment 13084119 Sly Guy said:

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With OBJ/Julio as my first pick, who would you guys choose as your 2nd/3rd picks out of these players? 1. Keenan Allen 2. Alshon Jeffrey 3. Jordy Nelson 4. Lesean McCoy 5. Mark Ingram 6. Demaryius Thomas

I'd say that's a good order. Nelson would be #1 if there were no doubts about his comeback, rolling the dice is probably worth it, IMO. His chemistry with Rodgers is just absurd. Here's my list taking that into account.

Nelson
Allen
McCoy
Jeffery
Ingram
Thomas

I'm targeting a WR and Gronk with my first 2 picks(if no gronk, then WR/WR) and I'm looking for McCoy with my 3rd pick. If no McCoy, maybe Cam or Rodgers if they are there. If not, I can go anywhere with my 3rd pick. With my 4th, I'm seeing Reed or Olsen in most of my drafts. Then with my next pick I'm getting a really good RB(Forte, Langford, etc...).

I just did a mock and it was my favorite one yet:

Rd 1(9): Dez
Rd 2: AJ Green
Rd 3: McCoy
Rd 4: Reed
rd 5: Murray(auto pick, but I'd be ok with him or a RB here)
rd 6: Landry(steal)
rd 7: Brady


rd 10: Foster(steal)

In comment 13084119 Sly Guy said:

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With OBJ/Julio as my first pick, who would you guys choose as your 2nd/3rd picks out of these players? 1. Keenan Allen 2. Alshon Jeffrey 3. Jordy Nelson 4. Lesean McCoy 5. Mark Ingram 6. Demaryius Thomas

Keenan Allen

In comment 13084077 drkenneth said:

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Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby.

Do QB's get 6pts per passing TD?

Taylor looks really good and teams need to respect him. McCoy should get lots of open space and he's electric in space.

I won't post my whole team, but in a PPR league where I can start 4 WR's I have:

Beckham, Watkins, Cooper, Landry, Marvin Jones, Devin Funchess and Michael Thomas

I could upgrade RB2, and QB.

Most of the offers are for Landry and/or Watkins.

The latest is Chris Ivory for Landry.

I'm not a huge fan of Ivory, but I could counter and ask for D. Murray, Arian Foster, and/or Tyrod Taylor.

Would Landry, who I like, but feel like I can trade him and not hurt my team, for any of those backs and/or Taylor be worth it?

My RB's are: Gurley, Abdullah, Starks, Washington, Barner, Perkins

QB: Romo and RG3

So I guess I posted my whole team.

I know Christine Michael is getting a ton of pub in the preseason, but I'm not buying it. Rawls is really, really good. Michael was released last year after not impressing, picked up by Dallas, couldn't touch the field when they were desperate for a RB and then picked back up by Seattle. I'm not buying the hype at all. Rawls will be the man and the RB on that team will have lots of success. I like Rawls.

Landry>>>>>>>>Ivory. I understand you are deep and could use a RB2, but I wouldn't panic. There is lots of time and plenty of RB's will become available. I wouldn't trade a WR just because you need a RB before the season starts. Unless someone comes much better than that, I wouldn't do it.

I definitely wouldn't trade Landry for Ivory. I still feel like Landry for Murray, the team getting Landry makes out slightly better but I do think it would improve your team overall.

Your QB sitch isn't ideal because it's basically completely dependent on Romo not getting hurt. Nothing better than RG3 in the FA pool?

In comment 13084151 pjcas18 said:

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I won't post my whole team, but in a PPR league where I can start 4 WR's I have: Beckham, Watkins, Cooper, Landry, Marvin Jones, Devin Funchess and Michael Thomas I could upgrade RB2, and QB. Most of the offers are for Landry and/or Watkins. The latest is Chris Ivory for Landry. I'm not a huge fan of Ivory, but I could counter and ask for D. Murray, Arian Foster, and/or Tyrod Taylor. Would Landry, who I like, but feel like I can trade him and not hurt my team, for any of those backs and/or Taylor be worth it? My RB's are: Gurley, Abdullah, Starks, Washington, Barner, Perkins QB: Romo and RG3 So I guess I posted my whole team.

No way in hell would I trade Landry for Chris Ivory. I would instead do a Sammy Watkins for Demarco Murray trade.

the value of your WR's, if you think all will have good seasons (you should since you drafted them), should increase as the year goes on. I don't think Ivory's value will change much unless Yeldon gets a big injury.

I'd want a better, more dynamic RB than Ivory in exchange for Landry and I think its OK to wait for that opportunity to come to you. I generally hate making preseason trades unless you are clearly winning it.

In comment 13084154 Keith said:

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I know Christine Michael is getting a ton of pub in the preseason, but I'm not buying it. Rawls is really, really good. Michael was released last year after not impressing, picked up by Dallas, couldn't touch the field when they were desperate for a RB and then picked back up by Seattle. I'm not buying the hype at all. Rawls will be the man and the RB on that team will have lots of success. I like Rawls.

Michael doesn't really worry me in particular, I know he's not much of a RB.. but between Procise and Collins and Michael I just wonder if Rawls is truly going to get those workhorse type touches that Lynch used to get or if it's going to be a clusterfuck type of RBBC kind of like we have here with the Giants.

In comment 13084159 arcarsenal said:

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I definitely wouldn't trade Landry for Ivory. I still feel like Landry for Murray, the team getting Landry makes out slightly better but I do think it would improve your team overall. Your QB sitch isn't ideal because it's basically completely dependent on Romo not getting hurt. Nothing better than RG3 in the FA pool?

I have Dak Prescott too as Romo insurance - not that I expect much from a rookie QB if Romo gets hurt, but I can't remember a rookie QB looking so good in the pre-season. I actually think RG3 will be decent in FFL.

FA QB's:
Osweiler
Cutler
Alex Smith
Flacco
Bradford
Goff
Kaepernick/Gabbert
Sanchez
Semien

but Lynch was a Rd 1 pick and Rawls is going around rd5/6. He was awesome when he filled in last year and was healthy. Averaged 5.6 yards per carry. Pretty much a lock for 100 yards per game when he actually got the touches.

In comment 13084142 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13084077 drkenneth said: Quote: Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby. Do QB's get 6pts per passing TD?

Yes. All TDs are 6 points.

Stop being fooled by preseason, it means nothing.

In comment 13084174 Keith said:

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Stop being fooled by preseason, it means nothing.

I haven't watched him in pre-season. I like Hue Jackson's offense and think he can be ok in it.

In comment 13084172 drkenneth said:

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In comment 13084142 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13084077 drkenneth said: Quote: Trying to figure out strategy for first two picks (which I need to nail- Picks #10 & #15 Here are my Top 16: 1-Antonio Brown WR | PIT 2-Odell Beckham WR | NYG 3-Julio Jones WR | ATL 4-DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU 5-A.J. Green WR | CIN 6-Todd Gurley RB | LAR 7-David Johnson RB | ARI 8-Adrian Peterson RB | MIN 9-Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Cam Newton QB | CAR Rob Gronkowski TE | NE Brandon Marshall WR | NYJ Allen Robinson WR | JAC Keenan Allen WR | SD Dez Bryant WR | DAL Lamar Miller RB | HOU I am planning for worst case scenario: Let's say gone before my pick: Antonio Brown WR | PIT Odell Beckham WR | NYG Julio Jones WR | ATL DeAndre Hopkins WR | HOU A.J. Green WR | CIN Todd Gurley RB | LAR David Johnson RB | ARI Adrian Peterson RB | MIN Ezekiel Elliott RB | DAL Obviously, the whole FF universe in on the "no QBs early" tip. At what point do I pull the trigger on Cam Newton? Coming out of 10 & 15 with Cam and one the WRs isn't too shaby. Do QB's get 6pts per passing TD? Yes. All TDs are 6 points.

Then I don't think it's too early for Cam if he's the best value on the board.

I just don't usually draft a QB that early but teams that have in the past, have won so there's nothing wrong with it.

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but Lynch was a Rd 1 pick and Rawls is going around rd5/6. He was awesome when he filled in last year and was healthy. Averaged 5.6 yards per carry. Pretty much a lock for 100 yards per game when he actually got the touches.

Yeah, he was great.. I had him last year and he helped carry my team down the stretch. Had that insane 200 yard rushing / 50 yard receiving game. He got hurt at the worst time. I had a 13-1 team and lost the first playoff game because of my RB situation.

I think you're probably right about him though.. he's one of those guys I maybe prematurely put a mental red flag on and probably shouldn't "avoid" drafting.

practicing? I haven't been keen on Seattle much, not sure if he's playing the Cowboys or not.

He's supposed to be ready to go Week 1.. and it was a broken ankle so it's not a ligament issue where you have to worry that he might not be the same or won't be as quick. Not sure if he's getting any preseason work in beforehand.

I don't see him lasting in round 5 in my league, so i'll have to decide how early is the earliest i'd take him.

I do the same thing, I have a mental block on certain guys and it's sometimes unwarranted. I love guys like Rawls that doesn't have the name yet and other guys are getting preseason love from the press. I laugh when people say Michael will steal the touches. He was awful last year for 2 teams including Seattle.

Yup.. it has cost me a few players that I should have taken in past drafts too so I am trying to go back over those players this year and really decide if my bias is warranted or not. The draft can really open up for you if you lift a few blocks off certain guys.

Rd 1 level guy: David Johnson. No history, good backup. QB could go down easy.

Rd1/2: DeAndre Hopkins. Great talent, bad QB.

Rd 3: Keenan Allen: Plagued with inconsistency, injuries. Never put it together.

Eddie Lacy: Never liked him or their RB for FF. Rodgers loves to throw, especially on goalline.

Mark Ingram: Never liked RB's on the saints. They rotate too much.

Doug Baldwin: I just can't justify taking a WR in that offense.

There are a few.

I love David Johnson, he does it all, and I think he'd thrive with Drew Stanton at QB or Palmer. He's QB agnostic.

he breaks tackles, he has elite speed, and good hands.

DeAndre Hopkins proved to be QB Bullet proof too. He wasn't like a Bortles who benefitted from being in deep holes so they had to pass and he was practically the only offensive threat on his team and he still put up ridiculous numbers (111 catches, 1500+ yards 11 TD's) with Ryan Mallett, Hoyer, Yates and Weeden passing the ball and no Arian Foster most of the season. No reason to believe that changes with Lamar Miller healthy and Brock Osweiler.

Keenan Allen has more value in PPR, he did have peaks and valleys, but man those peaks were enough to make a difference in those weeks. I don't value him as much as some people do, but I definitely wouldn't avoid him.

Lacy, Ingram, and Baldwin I am closer to your line of thinking than their ADP. I don't love any of them.

Regarding Hopkins, I agree. I've even said the same things. I don't know why, but when I do my mocks, I don't put him in the same class as the other upper echelon receivers. If I see him as my first or 2nd pick, mentally, my team just looks worse.