NFT: Mets and Cardinals Game 2/ Mets Talk 8/24

Mets also need to do whatever it takes to keep Cespedes here. Great to hear that he wants to honor the entire deal, but I wouldn't chance it. They are a different team with home. Offensively, they are schoolyard bullies with, sand kicked in the face wimps without. He's a legit hitter, not an all or none strikeout king like Bruce, AND he is a MUCH better outfielder than he gets credit for. And he thrives in the spotlight.

And less Of the struggling Bruce, if possible

go to Cespedes tomorrow and add another year onto the deal and maybe give him another opt-out after 2 years. Give him a little extra incentive to commit to the team.

Dont like tomorrow's pitching matchup. Have to win 2 out of 3 here after taking last nights game. Martinez can be on and off, so heres to hoping we catch him on another one of his off nights.


Was there any more word on Yo's Quad after last night? Noticed him massaging and stretching it after he made a play in the 1st inning. Cohen and Co. were talking about it and seemed worried. Did anything else come of that? Was he asked about it after the game? Need him at 100% if they are going to make this run.

heard, there was no new issue with the quad. I think the SNY team was overreacting. He also ran pretty hard to beat out an infield single.

Before and after each game.

We need him for the next 40+ days

With the year he's having, it would be a mistake not to. I'd be thrilled to be wrong, but I don't see it. Mets should add some years to the back and of the deal in exchange for Yo voiding the opt out.

The team is finally healthy, so if they're going to get on a run, now is the time. Flores has to play every time we're facing a loogy.

it's still shocking that someone like the Giants didn't just give him 4 or 5 years this past offseason. No idea what teams were thinking. Same goes for some AL team with Murphy, with the number of positions he could play (not to mention DH) it's shocking nobody thought he was worth more than $36M - and i'm talking about pre-breakout Murphy (which was basically Eric Hosmer).

Maybe he will want to stay either way with a new or old contract

makes a good point about that. If Murphy thought he was this good, he would have played for the $15.8 million this year and looked to FA for 2017. He's playing for $8 million this year. 8!!

If this is who Murphy has become it's a steal for Washington. If not and it's a freak season, he was smart to take this deal. I don't think this is who he is. He didn't morph into Rogers Hornsby. I think it's a freak season.

In comment 13084093 Victor in CT said:

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makes a good point about that. If Murphy thought he was this good, he would have played for the $15.8 million this year and looked to FA for 2017. He's playing for $8 million this year. 8!! If this is who Murphy has become it's a steal for Washington. If not and it's a freak season, he was smart to take this deal. I don't think this is who he is. He didn't morph into Rogers Hornsby. I think it's a freak season.

Im kind of in the middle. I think the work he did with Long did unlock a bit more power. Is he a wRC+ 150 hitter going forward? No. 125-130 wouldn't shock me though and that's well above his career averages.

Mets starting Jon Niese despite a known knee issue given how bad he's been and how important these games are is truly one of the most idiotic decisions this regime has ever made.

He came up big in his first ml game last night. I would like to see more of him. While he doesn't have the best stuff on our pitching staff, this kid seems to be a competitor.

like Gsellman but I hope they poke around the "veterans available" on the waiver wire as an insurance policy. Niese is cooked and I wouldn't mind a mediocre guy who at least gives you a chance vs. relying fully on Gsellman.

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Mets starting Jon Niese despite a known knee issue given how bad he's been and how important these games are is truly one of the most idiotic decisions this regime has ever made.

Yeah, plus they had the ability to skip him completely with the off day too. Makes zero sense. Im just happy we got a W on a day Niese was expected to start and hopefully that's the end of it. They had to think maybe he would have some success working with Warthen again or something... Ugh.

Frankly even if Neise was healthy I thought starting him was absolutely dumb, if they knew he was hurt on top of it that's just blame asinine.

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Frankly even if Neise was healthy I thought starting him was absolutely dumb, if they knew he was hurt on top of it that's just blame asinine.

He's had a knee issue all year I believe.

there was some stupid comment from Terry Collins that Niese has a knee issue and he said it felt better when he started instead of coming out of the pen.

Niese commented on it too.

I'm no doctor or have any medical training, but based on the way they described it I had a very hard time believing that pitching, going to the dugout and coming back out and pitching multiple times would be better for that knee than pitching once and being done.

as it turned out, he never got to experience the in and out of the dugout as he only retired one batter, but it never made sense to me.

not as if Niese is DeGrom or Thor where you want him out there in a big game. He has been awful for a while now. Why push a less than 100% guy who isn't even good? Really made no sense and if they lost I think people would be furious (and a right to be).

So our expectations should be tempered

Collins really loves veterans and will do anything to apologize for when they perform bad.

was absolutely flying down the 1B line to beat out that single. Awesome to see

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was absolutely flying down the 1B line to beat out that single. Awesome to see

Yea it was. I was a little worried after the SNY crew's commentary in the 1st inning, but he looked great beating out that single.

Apparently Cespedes is still saying he is going to honor all 3 years of the Mets contract and not opt out.. I think he'd be nuts to do that and when push comes to shove, I think his agent will push him to opt out and tell him he's leaving a boatload of money on the table but it's ridiculously clear that he loves it here and he wants to be a Met. They need to just approach him now and tack on like 3 more years.. he'll absolutely take it. It would be crazy to even let it get to a point where he considers opting out at all.

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Apparently Cespedes is still saying he is going to honor all 3 years of the Mets contract and not opt out.. I think he'd be nuts to do that and when push comes to shove, I think his agent will push him to opt out and tell him he's leaving a boatload of money on the table but it's ridiculously clear that he loves it here and he wants to be a Met. They need to just approach him now and tack on like 3 more years.. he'll absolutely take it. It would be crazy to even let it get to a point where he considers opting out at all.

Even if we can't take him at face value on honoring the contract, it's clear that he likes it here and that the Mets can get something done before he gets to FA.

not opt out unless he gets a new contract from the Mets IMO.

it would be irresponsible with the year he's had.

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not opt out unless he gets a new contract from the Mets IMO. it would be irresponsible with the year he's had.

But it's not the agent's call. If Cespedes actually wants to stay under the existing contract he can't do anything about it. His agent can try and talk him into a new contract with the Mets but when push comes to shove, Cespedes makes the decision. Didn't Cespedes have better $$ offers than the one he signed with Mets? I'm guessing his agent wanted him to go where the the bigger $$ was then. I get the sense Cespedes is his own man and will listen to options but make decisions based on what he wants to do and where he feels the most comfortable. If it's NY, a few million won't deter him.

Great if it's true, but in this baseball economy he could very likely get a better deal and probably would deserve it.

now 3 games out and half a game ahead of the Mets.

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Great if it's true, but in this baseball economy he could very likely get a better deal and probably would deserve it.

Well, he's the one saying it.. it's not like it's speculation.

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When asked by The Record’s Matt Ehalt if he intended to honor all three years of his current $75 million contract, without opting out, Cespedes flatly said, “Yes.”

He said this when he signed the deal, too. He said he was going to stay for all 3 years.

I think he's crazy if he does it but it's pretty obvious that Cespedes isn't wired the same as everyone else. I think he's been looking for a real home since he came to the majors and that the fans here have embraced him in a way that he hadn't been embraced in Oakland, Boston or Detroit. He might just feel comfortable here and honestly want to stay.

I still think at the end of the day, he'd probably opt out only because of the fact that he could get a really big contract on the open market this winter but I think it would be very easy to keep him here. All the Mets need to do is tack on 2-3 years with a similar AAV and I think he'd agree to it in a second.

Guys with his performance level don't usually hit the open market. I can see teams lining up now that he's done it for 2 seasons. Whatever reason there was for all of MLB to undervalue him before, I think all bets are off now.

doesn't make any sense for Cespedes. Even if he absolutely loves it here, why wouldn't you love it here for 5-6 years? It's not as if opting out would cost him anything. What, the Mets are willing to give him 2 years 47.5 (what he's owed) but if he opts out and looks for more they will pull the offer out of spite? Even if he were so obsessed with staying here that he would turn down more from someone else, the guy is going to at least want the security that a 2 year deal does not bring. I'd offer to tear up the next 2 years, give him a new 5 year deal where he could opt out after 3. Win-win in my book.

""Cespedes is telling friends that he wants to re-sign with the club, regardless of the circumstances," Rosenthal reported Thursday.- in regard to the Tigers

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""I would like to be in a Tigers uniform for many years," Cespedes said Sunday through an interpreter in his first interview with English-speaking media since he reported to camp. "It's a good team now and it will be for many years to come. Every major league player wants a ring, and with this team, you have a really good chance."
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and make another wild card spot available for the 3 remaining competing teams.

4th and 5th? They are struggling big time right now.

He would probably be in the Mets starting rotation right now

trudging Johnson and Loney out there in a big game. Poor defense and even worse offense from both. Hopefully we can get lucky tonight and they'll contribute.

James Wagner
Not sure why this is a thing now, but Yoenis Cespedes reiterated past comments: wants to honor his contract & no decision made on opt-out.

Kristie Ackert
Hasn't talked to his agent about it. If something happens it will happen after the season via the agent.

Bob Nightengale
Yoenis Cespedes reiterates that he would like to spend his entire career w #Mets but no decision has been finalized on opt out clause

Marc Carig @MarcCarig
Cespedes says he'll leave that stuff to his agents in the offseason

James Wagner
Jon Niese likely needs surgery on his knee, per Terry Collins. Robert Gsellman to start in his place.

Adam Rubin
Terry Collins confirmed that Neil Walker will remain on paternity leave for the entire Cardinals series. Walker plans to rejoin the Mets on Friday at Citi Field. He welcomed a newborn daughter on Tuesday morning in Pittsburgh.

is Jay Bruce. He needs to start earning his keep.

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The 51s have 11 men on the Mets’ 40-man roster, and at one point or another this season, each has been up to the majors. “I would say that barring any kind of injury from now until the end of the year, all 11 of them have a chance to go,” Backman said [...] Five pitchers — Josh Edgin, Sean Gilmartin, Erik Goeddel, Logan Verrett and Gabriel Ynoa — are on the 40-man roster.[...] Kevin Plawecki didn’t get consistent playing time with the Mets and hit .194. He was sent back to the 51s after Travis d’Arnaud returned from the disabled list in June. Since then, he’s hit .307 with seven home runs and 33 RBIs at Las Vegas entering Tuesday. [...] Matt Reynolds has shuttled back and forth between Las Vegas and New York, with three call-ups since starting the season at Triple A. Ty Kelly also has been back and forth. [...] Young outfielders Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo also should find themselves back in New York. Since being sent down in August, both have been handling Triple-A pitching with apparent ease. Conforto has hit .550 in his past 10 games and .426 overall in 26 games at Triple A, and Nimmo is battling for the Pacific Coast League batting title. Entering Tuesday, Nimmo was hitting .346, and Backman has said Nimmo has been the most improved player he’s had over the course of a season.

Collins going to enjoying life with a different 9 every day


Complete article out of Vegas - ( New Window )

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is Jay Bruce. He needs to start earning his keep.

he seemed to have fallen an early cliff from his All Star best age 26 season to this current age 29 season as a barely replacement level player

Adam Rubin
Jonathon Niese will undergo arthroscopic surgery

Mike Puma
Ironically, the highlight of Niese's season might have been beating the Mets on June 7. Double whammy.

Carlos Martinez is out there throwing strikes tonight.

Please break out of your slump now!

How the fuck do these guys get hurt JOGGING to 2nd base. These are professional athletes. I can go run full speed around my block right now without even warming up and I can guarantee you I will not get injured.

Oh well.. Cabrera is on fire.

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Please break out of your slump now!

Bummer.. If he is out long, it may be time to promote Conforto now

If/when he gets called up, for the love of god let him play every day against every pitcher...lefty or righty. Enough of this platoon shit.

So no real loss if he's out. Hopefully it results in Conforto being brought back up.

Degrom is struggling out there.. sigh

tonight. Lucky to have only given up one run so far

and its only the 3rd inning.

have to win the game tonight.

Too bad we don't have the horses to go to a 6-man rotation.

Can't afford him to be this bad. When guys like Lugo and a rookie in the rotation

rest of the game.

They are saying that Bruce came out of the game with a calf cramp. A cramp. Really?

DeGrom should go one more inning at most.

let Robles and Goeddel and Henderson take the mound.

his best stuff clearly but he's battling against a tough lineup and we're still in the game. The lineup has to put together some better ABs.

the new name for the home of the White Sox

Amazing.

time to take him out please

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the new name for the home of the White Sox Amazing.

That is brutal.
Best recent naming has to be the Dolphins hooking up with the Hard Rock. What could be better than having The Rock opening up the Rock for the Hurricanes this year. They seriously nailed it.

What a difference a year makes, eh gentlemen? Last year at this time we were excited about the future of this team making multiple runs. Now these games are just emotionally draining.

I hope Harvey, Wheeler, Matz, etc can come back healthy next year and we can field a contender. I don't hate on the Yankees but man, did that rebuild take no time! Our Yankee buddies on that thread sound like us, last year!

we have to win tomorrow's game or season is over.

Zach Braziller (@NYPost_Brazille)
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Rene Rivera has more home runs (5) than Travis d'Arnaud (4) in 70 less at bats. Also has higher OPS. Hard to believe. #mets

and let him rest that foot. The game is over

really disappointing

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LHP @GilmartinSean has been recalled from @LasVegas51s. RHP Erik Goeddel has been optioned to Triple-A. #Mets

has been overused. This is a guy with a long history of arm trouble. Why you would pitch him 7 games in 11 days is totally beyond me. He has sucked ever since.

If used correctly. he can be an effective middle reliever.

In comment 13085466 Vanzetti said:

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has been overused. This is a guy with a long history of arm trouble. Why you would pitch him 7 games in 11 days is totally beyond me. He has sucked ever since. If used correctly. he can be an effective middle reliever.

Terry is gonna Terry