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NGT: Charges and Joey Bosa are "nowhere"

Ben in Tampa : 8/24/2016 2:10 pm
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@RapSheet
The #Chargers put out their best offer, feeling any more missed time would mean Joey Bosa doesn’t play the full 16 games. It was rejected.


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#Chargers offer to Joey Bosa included the 2nd most Year 1 cash behind only Carson Wentz. Now, if he doesn’t play 16 games, it all changes


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Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere.


Yikes, not a good look for the 2016 third overall draft pick or the Chargers. How can this be happening with a rookie wage scale in place?

Or does Bosa just flat out not want to play in San Diego?
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Collins agent..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2016 2:47 pm : link
pressured teams because they did not want him to lose a year.

Once the draft starts, if Bosa hasn't signed, he is eligible to be selected again - SD's rights to him expire then.
Any word if the Chargers are willing to trade Bosa?  
idinkido : 8/24/2016 2:50 pm : link
I think a team like Dallas would be desperate to get a DE like Bosa.
What's awesome with SD's statement is  
Diver_Down : 8/24/2016 2:50 pm : link
that this is there best offer and will now pro-rate the offer for each week he misses. With Bosa turning down the current offer, he won't be eager to accept a lower offer each week that passes. At this point, SD should be calling around to see who will take Bosa off their hands.
I don't think  
ryanmkeane : 8/24/2016 2:50 pm : link
SD has any leverage whatsoever. He can easily sit out, be a top 5 pick again and get even more money than he would have in SD.

Can't say I'm surprised that the Chargers released a public statement essentially made to embarrass Bosa. Classless.
RE: RE: I believe it has to do  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/24/2016 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13084616 widmerseyebrow said:
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This. No matter what happens, I hope the Chargers take it hard in the brown eye.


That's the funniest thing I've heard all day....thanks!
RE: Any word if the Chargers are willing to trade Bosa?  
ryanmkeane : 8/24/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13084694 idinkido said:
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I think a team like Dallas would be desperate to get a DE like Bosa.

I think the deadline has passed for the Chargers to trade their rights to Bosa for another team. So it's either sign him or risk losing him.
RE: RE: Any word if the Chargers are willing to trade Bosa?  
Diver_Down : 8/24/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13084704 ryanmkeane said:
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I think a team like Dallas would be desperate to get a DE like Bosa.


I think the deadline has passed for the Chargers to trade their rights to Bosa for another team. So it's either sign him or risk losing him.


SD can trade his rights up to the Draft. If he is signed, he can be traded up to the trade deadline.
The Chargers are a dumpster fire  
NYerInMA : 8/24/2016 2:56 pm : link
Good for Bosa.
RE: We will see how Bosa feels when he misses a game check.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/24/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13084674 Giant John said:
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I think SD has the leverage.


Maybe so, but San Diego is earning a reputation for being a place players don't want to play. This can only hurt the Chargers in the long run.

They should just pay the man the same fucking upfront bonus money that any other team would pay to a top five pick.
Joke of a franchise  
Kyle in NY : 8/24/2016 3:01 pm : link
And Eli only looks smarter as the years go by and more of these incidents occur.

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Vin R : 8/24/2016 3:03 pm : link
What a mess!  
ZogZerg : 8/24/2016 3:04 pm : link
Seems like a silly issue to me.
RE: I don't think  
UConn4523 : 8/24/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13084698 ryanmkeane said:
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SD has any leverage whatsoever. He can easily sit out, be a top 5 pick again and get even more money than he would have in SD.

Can't say I'm surprised that the Chargers released a public statement essentially made to embarrass Bosa. Classless.


Cannot see him as a top 5 pick next year at all. A year off, and a track record of being difficult (even though he's probably right in this scenario). He was barely a top 5 pick this year as Dallas was taking Elliot regardless, apparently.
Why not offer  
ryanmkeane : 8/24/2016 3:06 pm : link
a 1st in 2017 for him.....
RE: Why not offer  
Diver_Down : 8/24/2016 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13084750 ryanmkeane said:
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a 1st in 2017 for him.....


I'd start with a 2nd for him, but I like your thinking - nothing wrong with offering the 32 pick for him.
RE: I don't think  
RC02XX : 8/24/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13084698 ryanmkeane said:
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SD has any leverage whatsoever. He can easily sit out, be a top 5 pick again and get even more money than he would have in SD.

Can't say I'm surprised that the Chargers released a public statement essentially made to embarrass Bosa. Classless.


Bosa will not be a top 5 pick next year. He'll be one year removed from playing any meaningful football, and there will be more talented DE's entering the draft next year. Bosa won't sniff anything near top 10, let alone top 5 next draft if he does sit out this year.
FYI  
T in NJ : 8/24/2016 3:24 pm : link
From MMQB:
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First overall pick Jared Goff does have deferrals but no offset language.

Second overall pick Carson Wentz does have offset language but only $1 million of deferral that is paid in January.

And since 2012, the third overall pick has either had: 1. No offset language with deferral; or 2. Offset language with bonus paid before January.

This year, 19 of the first 24 picks have had their signing bonus paid in full by the end of 2016.

For what it’s worth, last year’s top overall pick, Jameis Winston, had offset language and $6 million of his signing bonus deferred into the subsequent March.


The Chargers are offering something akin to the contract Jameis Winston signed.
Chargers CAN't trade Bosa  
GF1080 : 8/24/2016 3:28 pm : link
The deadline has passed to trade him.


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the fact that the Chargers just issued that statement  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/24/2016 3:30 pm : link
is a joke. Negotiate through the press? That just means more bad blood and an unhappy result.

the deferral bothers Bosa why exactly?  
Csonka : 8/24/2016 3:35 pm : link
Is he planning on spending all his bonus in October or something? Can't wait for a few million guaranteed until next year? Pretty ridiculous.

Sorry ... I don't get why he's risking losing money and hurting his team over the date that he gets his guaranteed money. Seems more likely his agent needs the money upfront than the player.
It's a big gamble.  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 8/24/2016 3:37 pm : link
Bosa is unlikely to increase his total career earnings by sitting out this year.
And to release that statement  
Kyle in NY : 8/24/2016 3:38 pm : link
and try to negotiate through the media is even more of a joke. Good luck getting players to negotiate with you in the future.
Aren't they asking him to agree  
KWALL2 : 8/24/2016 3:49 pm : link
To things no other pick agrees to?

It's amazing how they treat this guy. They had him as the #1 player in the draft. They loved him and we're thrilled with the trades at top of draft allowed him to be there. And they fuck it up. What a mess they created.
It couldn't happen to a more  
rebel yell : 8/24/2016 3:50 pm : link
dysfunctional NFL team. Chargers are a joke. Just ask Eli!
RE: Aren't they asking him to agree  
widmerseyebrow : 8/24/2016 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13084826 KWALL2 said:
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To things no other pick agrees to?

It's amazing how they treat this guy. They had him as the #1 player in the draft. They loved him and we're thrilled with the trades at top of draft allowed him to be there. And they fuck it up. What a mess they created.


Got to be thrilled if you're the head coach!
My brother lived out in  
ryanmkeane : 8/24/2016 3:55 pm : link
San Diego for about 5 years - he told me that not only did the fans not care about the team, but they'd make it a point to not watch or go to games just because of how much they disliked the ownership.
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Danny Kanell : 8/24/2016 4:23 pm : link
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Danny Kanell : 8/24/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13084927 Danny Kanell said:
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Is there a loop hole where Bosa can still be traded?  
idinkido : 8/24/2016 5:04 pm : link
What about if the Chargers sign him to a contract and then trade him to another team?
RE: Collins agent..  
barens : 8/24/2016 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13084683 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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pressured teams because they did not want him to lose a year.

Once the draft starts, if Bosa hasn't signed, he is eligible to be selected again - SD's rights to him expire then.


Then I'd have to imagine Bosa loses a boatload of money, considering there no garauntee he'd be taken #3 next year, let alone in the top ten.
I'm wondering if San Diego has made this recent offer public,  
barens : 8/24/2016 5:16 pm : link
so the Bosa's can see for themselves what's being put on the table. I don't know who his agent is, but you never know how info is being relayed.
RE: I don't think  
Milton : 8/24/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13084698 ryanmkeane said:
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SD has any leverage whatsoever. He can easily sit out, be a top 5 pick again and get even more money than he would have in SD.
He won't be a top five pick next year. He won't even be top ten pick next year. I know I certainly wouldn't draft him in the top ten if I was running the team. I doubt he would even be a first round pick next year. He's missed a year of football and has positioned himself as a guy who is unreasonable with his contract demands.

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Can't say I'm surprised that the Chargers released a public statement essentially made to embarrass Bosa. Classless.
The purpose isn't to embarrass him, it's to explain to their fans why they have failed to sign their first round pick when all other first round picks were signed long ago. Why should the fans only get to hear Bosa's side of the disagreement?

I side with the Chargers. Bosa is the one being unreasonable and downright greedy. Desiring offset language is bullshit. It's a player asking to be rewarded for being a bust. Basically it's his way of saying, "If it turns out I suck, I want to get paid double what I would be paid if I were any good." Fuck that!....
RE: Any word if the Chargers are willing to trade Bosa?  
Milton : 8/24/2016 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13084694 idinkido said:
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I think a team like Dallas would be desperate to get a DE like Bosa.
I'm not sure, but it may be impossible for another team to fit him under their rookie salary cap, which has obviously already been exhausted by now. I could be wrong about this, but this is my understanding of how the rookie salary cap works.
RE: Why not offer  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/24/2016 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13084750 ryanmkeane said:
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a 1st in 2017 for him.....


He can no longer be traded.

Also, you could be giving up the #1 pick for all you know. Too many variables to trade a future first in the NFL. Very few scenarios where it's worth it. This isnt one of them.
I hope he doesn't play this year and then drops in the draft  
ZogZerg : 8/24/2016 7:25 pm : link
next year and makes less $$.

Can we offer the 1st rounder we got  
Vin R : 8/24/2016 7:56 pm : link
From the Saints?
Notice they structurally consistent with other Charger contracts  
SomeFan : 8/24/2016 8:16 pm : link
they dont say consistent with high first round draft picks. I think the Chargers are off market and full of shit. Eli did the right thing.
That entire release is all about comparing to other Charger players  
SomeFan : 8/24/2016 8:18 pm : link
What about comparing to other teams and the market?
RE: Notice the wording of the Chargers statement..  
SomeFan : 8/24/2016 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13084644 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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The offer was "consistent" with "Chargers players. That is the key here, it wasn't consistent with other NFL top 5 selections.

I know many like to immediately blame the player, but the Chargers are a shit organization.


This.
maybe Bosa doesn't want to play for a loser franchise  
Vanzetti : 8/25/2016 4:43 am : link
where the owner lets his jackass son run the team

just a thought
For the record...  
Bramton1 : 8/25/2016 10:06 am : link
The Chargers are currently not permitted to trade Bosa'a rights to anyone. That deadline was on August. They will not be able to trade away his rights until after the Week 10 deadline where he loses a year of service.

I see one of the following scenarios playing out:

1. Bosa signs with San Diego and plays this season.

2. Bosa does not sign with San Diego and the Chargers trade his rights away after Week 10.

3. Bosa and the Chargers make an agreement to trade the player to one of a pre-selected pool of teams, before the NFL trade deadline. Bosa signs prior to the deadline, so that he can play with his new team this season.

X. I do not see the Chargers allowing Bosa to re-enter the draft without trying to get something in return.
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Cap'n Bluebeard : 8/25/2016 11:12 am : link
In comment 13085027 Milton said:
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Bosa is the one being unreasonable and downright greedy. Desiring offset language is bullshit. It's a player asking to be rewarded for being a bust. Basically it's his way of saying, "If it turns out I suck, I want to get paid double what I would be paid if I were any good." Fuck that!....


I think you're way off on this. Bosa is simply asking for the same conditions in his contract that other similarly drafted picks all have. He has repeatedly said that he's fine with either the deferment or offset language, but not both, which has been the case for every similarly slotted draft pick. Wanting the same stipulations as everyone else is neither greedy nor unreasonable on the part of the player, but it certainly is on the side of the the Chargers.

Whether or not this is a good career move for Bosa or whether the deferment and offset language should in fact be included as part of these contracts is certainly debatable. However, the fact of the matter is that the language Bosa is objecting to has not been included in the contract of any other player drafted in a similar slot this year and is pretty much never included in those slots to begin with so why should he agree to it?
Regardless..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/25/2016 11:15 am : link
of who people think is at fault, SD putting together a statement on it to the public is complete bush league and should dissuade players from wanting to deal with that clusterfuck of a franchise.
Reminder of what the Charger franchise is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/25/2016 11:34 am : link
They tried to get Philip Rivers to sign a deal with this bonus structure as a rookie:


5 million if he made 4 pro bowls and won 4 Super Bowls
7 million if he made 5 PBs and won 5 SBs
10 milion if he won them all and made the pro bowl every year
RE: RE: I don't think  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/25/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 13085027 Milton said:
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I side with the Chargers. Bosa is the one being unreasonable and downright greedy. Desiring offset language is bullshit. It's a player asking to be rewarded for being a bust. Basically it's his way of saying, "If it turns out I suck, I want to get paid double what I would be paid if I were any good." Fuck that!....


It's hardly bullshit. It's pretty much standard procedure in the nfl. Every top 5 pick since the new labor agreement has it.
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MetsAreBack : 8/25/2016 11:42 am : link
In comment 13085027 Milton said:
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I side with the Chargers. Bosa is the one being unreasonable and downright greedy. Desiring offset language is bullshit. It's a player asking to be rewarded for being a bust. Basically it's his way of saying, "If it turns out I suck, I want to get paid double what I would be paid if I were any good." Fuck that!....


What about if he gets hurt?

By the way, Bosa wanted offset language excluded. Its the team that wants it in there - on the one hand for whatever reason picks #2 and #4 do have it in there, on the other hand before this year it was rare for top picks to have it in their contracts.

If I'm the Charges i back off on the offset language -- but Bosa needs to back off on wanting all his signing bonus money now. What are the chances a team cuts the #3 overall pick by next spring? Even if he tears an ACL I really doubt they'd cut him.,..
If he gets the bonus in two installments  
Kyle in NY : 8/25/2016 12:01 pm : link
He ends up receiving less than the two picks behind him because of the high California taxes. I think I have that correct and that's the main issue with the bonus
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Milton : 8/25/2016 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13085900 MetsAreBack said:
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What about if he gets hurt?
I mixed it up, the offset language I guess is asked for by the team, not the player, but the point is that the team is saying he still gets all the guaranteed money he is promised by them, but if he gets cut and signs with another team during the four years of his original rookie contract, a whatever money he makes with the new team can be subtracted from the guaranteed money he was due from his original team. In other words, he doesn't get to have his cake and eat it, too.

Example using simple numbers. Joe Blow signs a four year fully guaranteed contract with Team A for $12M total with $3M of it due in the 4th and final year. After three years of sucky play, he is released by the team and signs a vet minimum deal with Team B for $750K. Without the offset language, he gets both the $3M he was guaranteed from Team A and the $750K from Team B for a total of $3.75M in year four. With the offset language he gets $2.25M from Team A and $750K from Team B in year four. So in the end, he still makes all the guaranteed money he was promised by Team A, it's just that a small portion of it comes from Team B.

I think that's a fair request when giving a contract to a guy who has never played a down of football in the NFL, especially given the bust rate for 1st round picks.

So getting back to your question: what if he gets hurt? If he gets hurt, that's a shame, but he still gets all the guaranteed money he was promised by the team that releases him. If they are able to recoup some of that from a team willing to give him another chance, so be it. It's not their fault he got hurt, it's part of the game that sucks for everyone involved (the player, the team, and the fans).
RE: If he gets the bonus in two installments  
Milton : 8/25/2016 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13085933 Kyle in NY said:
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He ends up receiving less than the two picks behind him because of the high California taxes. I think I have that correct and that's the main issue with the bonus
All right, I'm gonna back off because there may be details I'm unaware of or haven't considered. I thought the issue was mostly about the offset language, which I believe is a fair request by the team. So if I'm wrong, my apologies to Mr. Bosa. Maybe I should do more homework before shooting my mouth off!
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Gatorade Dunk : 8/26/2016 7:46 am : link
In comment 13084744 UConn4523 said:
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He was barely a top 5 pick this year as Dallas was taking Elliot regardless, apparently.

Barely a top 5 pick this year? He was the highest drafted non-QB.
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