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NFT: 2017 Yankees

dpinzow : 8/24/2016 10:08 pm
The future looks a lot brighter with these young prospects but the pitching is still very thin so the Yanks are probably a couple of years away. The lineup looks very good:

1. Gardner (CF)
2. Gregorius (SS)
3. Sanchez (C)
4. Bird (1B)
5. Judge (RF)
6. McCann (DH)
7. Turner (3B)*
8. Frazier (LF)
9. Castro (2B)

*Yankees acquire Justin Turner in free agency
*Yankees trade Jacoby Ellsbury for a couple of low level prospects

Bench: Headley, Torreyes, Hicks, Austin, Romine/Higashioka

if those 3-6 hitters are all raking you can live with Headley hitting 8th and Castro 9th. Austin has played some 3rd so maybe they experiment with him there. This looks like a really good offensive team

The pitching will be a lot harder to put together, especially the starting pitching. Severino will be given a chance to win a rotation spot in spring training and his development becomes even more critical. Tanaka and CC are the only two guarantees in the starting rotation. Pineda probably comes back too but he's a #5 now and there is literally nothing in the FA market. I would see if Hisashi Iwakuma wants a 2 year deal at $15M per and if he accepts you at least have an innings eater in the middle of the rotation. Assembling the bullpen should be a lot easier. Reportedly Chapman wants to come back so the 8th and 9th innings will be excellent. Adam Warren and Tyler Clippard transition to the 7th and you fill in the rest from there.

SP: Masahiro Tanaka
Hisashi Iwakuma*
CC Sabathia
Michael Pineda
Luis Cessa/Luis Severino

CL: Aroldis Chapman*
8th inning: Dellin Betances
7th inning: Tyler Clippard
LOOGY: Tommy Layne
Rest of bullpen: Luis Cessa, Chad Green, Adam Warren (Cessa and/or Warren could move into the rotation if someone gets hurt or is ineffective)
It sure is fun to look ahead.  
bceagle05 : 8/24/2016 10:15 pm : link
I think it's Gardner - not Ellsbury - who gets traded, though I'd love to be wrong about that. I'm guessing the vets (Ellsbury, Gardner, McCann and Headley) are shopped heavily.
The only way you can get rid of Ellsbury is eating contract  
jgambrosio : 8/24/2016 10:17 pm : link
and I doubt they will do that for that many years.

I have a feeling that they will try to trade someone from the farm for a pitcher given free agency. If Chapman comes back though, and they can get a starter or two, we are back in business, assuming the guys up don’t come back to earth too much with another turn around the league. You’d have to think with scouting these days, they will be ok.
More like this.  
shelovesnycsports : 8/24/2016 10:22 pm : link
No one is taking Elsbury or Gardner.
Els/Hicks cf
Didi ss
Castro 2b
Sanchez/ Romine c
McCann/Refsnyder Sanchez dh
Judge rf
Bird/Austin 1b
Headley 3b is related to Girardi some how.
Gardner/Hicks( has pics of Cashman naked) lf
they could trade Romine a la Murphy. Fraiser will have to hit his way on the team in ST.

Tanaka
CC
Mitchell,Warren,Pineda
Greene
Cessa
Severino

Betances closer
Rest to be filled in.


RE: The only way you can get rid of Ellsbury is eating contract  
dpinzow : 8/24/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13085310 jgambrosio said:
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and I doubt they will do that for that many years.

I have a feeling that they will try to trade someone from the farm for a pitcher given free agency. If Chapman comes back though, and they can get a starter or two, we are back in business, assuming the guys up don’t come back to earth too much with another turn around the league. You’d have to think with scouting these days, they will be ok.


With Gleyber Torres a potential superstar in the making and Didi already up here and looking pretty solid, maybe the Yanks could pull off a Jorge Mateo/Justus Sheffield or a Mateo/Dustin Fowler deal for an ace
Amazing  
PaulN : 8/24/2016 10:25 pm : link
What bringing up 1 kid that is playing the way he is and getting rid of the fucking drama queen does for a franchise.
I think Mateo needs to be moved to CF  
DennyInDenville : 8/24/2016 10:25 pm : link
I wouldn't waste his speed in the infield

I know his range at SS is suppost to be crazy but Didi looks fine and We have Torres too.

Just move him to CF effective immediately so he can learn.
Didi  
shelovesnycsports : 8/24/2016 10:28 pm : link
should be moved to Third Base he is starting to find his power and has the arm and the range for it. He becoming what they said when he was as a prospect a guy who could hit 20-25 hrs a year.
RE: I think Mateo needs to be moved to CF  
shelovesnycsports : 8/24/2016 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13085319 DennyInDenville said:
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I wouldn't waste his speed in the infield

I know his range at SS is suppost to be crazy but Didi looks fine and We have Torres too.

Just move him to CF effective immediately so he can learn.

Denny
Do you know how many Cf guys we have on the farm?
Not to mention Rutherford is the Guy of the future with the great bat.
I just don't see Didi or Castro at 3B  
DennyInDenville : 8/24/2016 10:32 pm : link
I just don't.

Castro can get traded btw, we don't need him.
I want serious speed in CF  
DennyInDenville : 8/24/2016 10:33 pm : link
Rutherford is legit and more so Frazier, but idk if either one is a speedy CF.

I'm down for whatever tho.

Frazier should be LF in April 2017 so that's exciting
Yea I think  
kash94 : 8/25/2016 12:22 am : link
Gardner is more likely to get traded than Ellsbury.

2017 team:
CF- Ellsbury
SS- Didi
C- Sanchez
DH- McCann
RF- Judge
2B- Castro
1B- Bird
3B- Headley
LF- Frazier

Romine, Austin, Torrerres, and Ref off the bench?

In the future though

C- Sanchez
1B- Bird
2B- Castro
SS- Didi
3B- Torres
LF- Frazier
CF- Rutherford
RF- Judge
DH- Austin

?

What's more realistic though obviously is that some of the prospects either
1- Get traded for a pitcher
2- don't pan out
Yankees are  
kash94 : 8/25/2016 12:26 am : link
somewhat mirroring what the Cubs did though to get to where they are now.

Loading up on prospects obviously, but particularly hitters which goes against the usual rebuilding norms of trying to find pitchers. Pitchers just get injured more so while a hitter is no sure thing, the payoff is less volatile.

Many of these prospects (like the Cubs at one point) are shortstops who will switch positions at one point.

Pitching will come to FA for established starters and/or picking up guys selectively. Hoping that Serverino bounces back next year and Kap can be in the majors at some point soon.
I think we flip Chad Green for a better prospect  
DennyInDenville : 8/25/2016 12:32 am : link
Just like we did trading that one guy for Didi


Cessa tho stays, I actually think we got a diamond in the rough with him.
I think next year's catching tandem should be  
Phil in LA : 8/25/2016 1:58 am : link
Sanchez and Higgy.
Judge  
Dang Man : 8/25/2016 7:26 am : link
Let's see if Judge can slow down his strikeout rate before we anoint him our #5 hitter. My gut tells me it's going to get worse before it gets better.
RE: I think we flip Chad Green for a better prospect  
section125 : 8/25/2016 7:30 am : link
In comment 13085426 DennyInDenville said:
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Just like we did trading that one guy for Didi


Cessa tho stays, I actually think we got a diamond in the rough with him.


Cessa has pitched one game. Green a handful. Green basically has three excellent starts and (IIRC) two bad. So what makes you think Cessa is better than Green?
What makes you think they can't be the 3 and 4 starters?
RE: Yankees are  
Coach Mason : 8/25/2016 8:20 am : link
In comment 13085418 kash94 said:
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somewhat mirroring what the Cubs did though to get to where they are now.

Loading up on prospects obviously, but particularly hitters which goes against the usual rebuilding norms of trying to find pitchers. Pitchers just get injured more so while a hitter is no sure thing, the payoff is less volatile.

Many of these prospects (like the Cubs at one point) are shortstops who will switch positions at one point.

Pitching will come to FA for established starters and/or picking up guys selectively. Hoping that Serverino bounces back next year and Kap can be in the majors at some point soon.


The Yankees in years past were loading up on pitchers. As decent hitting is much more easily aquired in FA, if you dont care about spending money. I would guess as the business model changed under Hank/Hal so did their drafting strategy. Hank/Hal are obviously much more tight pocketed than George.
There is no  
blue2 : 8/25/2016 8:43 am : link
decent young hitting available in free agency anymore.
I think McCann gets moved in the winter  
TheMick7 : 8/25/2016 8:50 am : link
Girardi likes to use the DH as a half-day rest for position players & if Romine/Higgy are Sanchez' backup,there is no position for McCann other than DH.I think a trade w/the Braves gets revisited.
good luck moving the Ellsbury contract  
Victor in CT : 8/25/2016 9:06 am : link
If they get overwhelmed by an offer for McCann and trade him, fine. BUt I would mind if he stayed on as a veteran leader and mentor, backup C and lefty DH, especially at the Stadium. And if he has a good 1st half and the kids are all working out, they could still trade him at the deadline to a team that needs a bat, a probably get more with less contract remaining.
It is safe to assume  
PaulN : 8/25/2016 9:09 am : link
The yanks will look to unload McCann, Gardner, Ellsbury, and Headley. I think they would include players like Green, Hicks, and Castro to do this in the right deals, the problem is that it is going to be very tough to move any of them unless you include a top prospect.

If the yanks wanted to move Ellsbury, everyone says, it's impossible, yet if they said we will include Gary Sanchez, that would change in a second. But the yanks can not move prospects that they truly believe are going to be really good players and they have control over for a few years before they can hit free agency.

So it will be a very interesting off season. After watching Hal usher Arod out the door so quickly, I have gained a new level of respect for the guy, and I would not put anything past him, especially with him having Cashman in his corner. Hal took a while to start to get involved, but he is starting to show that he is far from an idiot.

This will be the most interesting off season the yanks have had in quite a while, as the yanks are starting to have some nice flexibility and are also under the cap.
Are we sure frazier  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/25/2016 9:14 am : link
Is on the team next year?

Can he play CF
RE: good luck moving the Ellsbury contract  
Victor in CT : 8/25/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13085561 Victor in CT said:
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If they get overwhelmed by an offer for McCann and trade him, fine. BUt I would mind if he stayed on as a veteran leader and mentor, backup C and lefty DH, especially at the Stadium. And if he has a good 1st half and the kids are all working out, they could still trade him at the deadline to a team that needs a bat, a probably get more with less contract remaining.


should say "I wouldn't mind"
RE: Are we sure frazier  
superspynyg : 8/25/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 13085577 Joey from GlenCove said:
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Is on the team next year?

Can he play CF


Fraiser should be a post June call up. That gives us control for another year.
There are more trades to come  
averagejoe : 8/25/2016 11:05 am : link
Gardner and Ellsbury have to go for the simple fact they are blocking better , younger players. Yanks will have to eat a whole lotta money but they have to go. No place for them here anymore. Dump McCann and Headley for SP prospects and hope somebody sticks.

I think the future looks bright and Yanks are not that far away. A couple of young starters could turn it all around quickly.
if they were able to move Ellsbury, I would keep Gardner  
Victor in CT : 8/25/2016 11:06 am : link
as a 4th OF, veteran leader.
gardner  
Dankbeerman : 8/25/2016 4:38 pm : link
can have a big 1st half and be more tradeable inseason. same with headly. offseason should see them push elsbury somewhere eating a ton of money. mcann will want to leave most likely over being the dh.
Gardner/Ellsbury  
giants#1 : 8/25/2016 4:44 pm : link
I'd expect them to move one (likely Gardner) in the offseason. That would give them a starting OF of Ellsbury/Judge and then likely Gamel/Cave/Hicks/Mason Williams for the 3rd spot to open the season.

I wouldn't expect to see Frasier until mid-season. At that point, assuming Frasier is forcing his way up, they could try and deal Ellsbury (if he's not injured) or one of the others.

No one is taking Headley  
shelovesnycsports : 8/25/2016 4:46 pm : link
Gardner has been exposed too. McCann is a candidate this winter. I would try to trade Pineda too.
Mitchell Warren Cessa Greene Severino Can all start with Tanaka and CC. Kap may be ready by Alstar break.
that rotation would be destroyed  
giants#1 : 8/25/2016 4:52 pm : link
and Tanaka will be in there. Warren is a 5th starter at best and Severino has yet to prove himself at the MLB level.

I doubt Kap comes anywhere close to the Bronx next season. He threw a total of 18 innings in High A before hitting the DL this year and is likely to start 2017 in Tampa again. So unlikely he sees the majors before 2018.

Chance Adams on the other hand, could be a top option as the "6th" SP in 2017. Dominating AA right now and figures to start 2017 at SWB. Might see him with a Severino type workload to start off with them limiting him to 5-6 innings/start in anticipation of calling him up late in the year.
RE: that rotation would be destroyed  
shelovesnycsports : 8/25/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13086494 giants#1 said:
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and Tanaka will be in there. Warren is a 5th starter at best and Severino has yet to prove himself at the MLB level.

I doubt Kap comes anywhere close to the Bronx next season. He threw a total of 18 innings in High A before hitting the DL this year and is likely to start 2017 in Tampa again. So unlikely he sees the majors before 2018.

Chance Adams on the other hand, could be a top option as the "6th" SP in 2017. Dominating AA right now and figures to start 2017 at SWB. Might see him with a Severino type workload to start off with them limiting him to 5-6 innings/start in anticipation of calling him up late in the year.

Both Mitchell and Kap were tearing up ST Mitchell is ready for the rotation(Big league Stuff). Kap is coming quickly all star break call up.Greene was dominate in AAA and is in the rotation. Severino needs to work on his off speed stuff but can win a spot in ST. Remember 2018 is the goal year to be competitive. Next year is the get under the cap year and reset the luxury tax.
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