-Mets will leave tonight's game either 3.5 back of the wild card or 5.5 back of the wild card
-Mets fate rests in the hands of Seth Lugo
-deGrom sucks ass lately
-Gilmartin replacing Goeddel (odd how Gilly's been treated after a very nice 2015)
-Niese undergoing surgery today
-Walker to return tomorrow
Do or die! Its the Alamo for the 2016 New York Mets
Kudos to their org and front office for using the advantages of a big market to build a ton of depth. Even if the Mets rebound in the next few years (and I think we all expect they will if they can Cespedes), getting back to the world series won't be easy with the Cubs and Dodgers being completely stacked full of depth.
Last 2 games ... 9.2 innings ... 186 pitches ... 25 hits ...
My guess is they'll keep running them out there until they are completely out of it and maybe they'll shut them down for the last 2-4 starts at most.
Kudos to their org and front office for using the advantages of a big market to build a ton of depth. Even if the Mets rebound in the next few years (and I think we all expect they will if they can Cespedes), getting back to the world series won't be easy with the Cubs and Dodgers being completely stacked full of depth.
I wouldn't compare the Dodgers situation to ours at all. They have a payroll of an obscene 250 million and out muscled teams for players by absorbing awful contracts. They also haven't had to deal with nearly the amount of injuries we have. Sure they lost Kershaw for half a season (Harvey) and a young-ish player took a step backwards in Puig(Conforto) but they would have to lose a hell of a lot more than that to equal the Dudas, Wright's, Cespedes's, TDA's, Wheeler's, Matz's, and Syndergaards IMO...
That's funny because literally every single first round pick Sandy's taken seems to be developing or progressing nicely through the system. Conforto took a step back this year (not uncommon) but who really thinks Conforto wont be a good player going forward? In the very least every single one of these players will make it to the majors in some capacity.
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fail to develop ANY positional players.
That's funny because literally every single first round pick Sandy's taken seems to be developing or progressing nicely through the system. Conforto took a step back this year (not uncommon) but who really thinks Conforto wont be a good player going forward? In the very least every single one of these players will make it to the majors in some capacity.
I hope so! Most of the positional players are veterans developed by other teams. Murphy is probably the last "star" positional player developed by the Mets.
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fail to develop ANY positional players.
That's funny because literally every single first round pick Sandy's taken seems to be developing or progressing nicely through the system. Conforto took a step back this year (not uncommon) but who really thinks Conforto wont be a good player going forward? In the very least every single one of these players will make it to the majors in some capacity.
I hope so! Most of the positional players are veterans developed by other teams. Murphy is probably the last "star" positional player developed by the Mets.
Didn't mean to jump on you but it takes more than 5 years to come through a system in most cases, especially when you are going high school early and often. TDA, Duda, Flores, and Conforto were either completely developed or partially developed here. The rest just haven't arrived yet. I think a better question would be which high profile players haven't developed under Sandy's watch?
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are doing even more impressive. Kershaw is still out, basically their entire starting rotation has seen the DL at some point, they've set a record for most players sent to the DL in one year, gotten nothing from Puig, and are now leading the NL West.
Kudos to their org and front office for using the advantages of a big market to build a ton of depth. Even if the Mets rebound in the next few years (and I think we all expect they will if they can Cespedes), getting back to the world series won't be easy with the Cubs and Dodgers being completely stacked full of depth.
I wouldn't compare the Dodgers situation to ours at all. They have a payroll of an obscene 250 million and out muscled teams for players by absorbing awful contracts. They also haven't had to deal with nearly the amount of injuries we have. Sure they lost Kershaw for half a season (Harvey) and a young-ish player took a step backwards in Puig(Conforto) but they would have to lose a hell of a lot more than that to equal the Dudas, Wright's, Cespedes's, TDA's, Wheeler's, Matz's, and Syndergaards IMO...
I see what you're saying but regardless of payroll the Mets are competing with the Dodgers in the NL so they can't use payroll as an excuse, especially playing in NY with a newer ballpark. If the Mets had the Dodgers injures to the rotation they'd likely be 10 games below .500 (or worse) considering their 6th and 7th starters out of spring training were Logan Verret and Sean Gilmartin. Kershaw is also better than any pitcher the Mets have (and better than any pitcher alive) and it's not close.
Also, some of the guys you named either havn't really been affected by injury (Thor is still having a great year), shouldn't have been relied on to begin with (Wheeler and Wright), have stunk when healthy (TDA), or were solid players whose injury hit us really hard because of a complete lack of depth at the position (Duda). Yea, Mets have had a bad run with injuries this year but the Dodgers have had it pretty shitty too. It's just that their front office and ownership are obsessed and relentless with acquiring talent and are completely on the same page. Pretty incredible story IMO.
If the Mets don't get into the playoffs, I'll probably root for the Dodgers in the NL playoffs. I'm too young to really remember 1988 and Kershaw is one of my favorite non-Mets. Also, fuck the Nationals, the Cubs and Cardinals.
I still can't fathom why he's starting washed up Kelly Johnson over TJ Rivera (or Flores or anyone else). Also, seeing how the Cardinals' all play multiple positions so that they can have the best team out there each night but the Mets refuse to even try anyone else at 1B so we're stuck with the worst 1B in MLB infuriates me.
How's that? One of our best hitters last year and a guy that is now back hitting since he's returned and having to watch complete zero Plawecki for months in his place wasn't a loss or downgrade?
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are doing even more impressive. Kershaw is still out, basically their entire starting rotation has seen the DL at some point, they've set a record for most players sent to the DL in one year, gotten nothing from Puig, and are now leading the NL West.
Kudos to their org and front office for using the advantages of a big market to build a ton of depth. Even if the Mets rebound in the next few years (and I think we all expect they will if they can Cespedes), getting back to the world series won't be easy with the Cubs and Dodgers being completely stacked full of depth.
I wouldn't compare the Dodgers situation to ours at all. They have a payroll of an obscene 250 million and out muscled teams for players by absorbing awful contracts. They also haven't had to deal with nearly the amount of injuries we have. Sure they lost Kershaw for half a season (Harvey) and a young-ish player took a step backwards in Puig(Conforto) but they would have to lose a hell of a lot more than that to equal the Dudas, Wright's, Cespedes's, TDA's, Wheeler's, Matz's, and Syndergaards IMO...
I see what you're saying but regardless of payroll the Mets are competing with the Dodgers in the NL so they can't use payroll as an excuse, especially playing in NY with a newer ballpark. If the Mets had the Dodgers injures to the rotation they'd likely be 10 games below .500 (or worse) considering their 6th and 7th starters out of spring training were Logan Verret and Sean Gilmartin. Kershaw is also better than any pitcher the Mets have (and better than any pitcher alive) and it's not close.
Also, some of the guys you named either havn't really been affected by injury (Thor is still having a great year), shouldn't have been relied on to begin with (Wheeler and Wright), have stunk when healthy (TDA), or were solid players whose injury hit us really hard because of a complete lack of depth at the position (Duda). Yea, Mets have had a bad run with injuries this year but the Dodgers have had it pretty shitty too. It's just that their front office and ownership are obsessed and relentless with acquiring talent and are completely on the same page. Pretty incredible story IMO.
If the Mets don't get into the playoffs, I'll probably root for the Dodgers in the NL playoffs. I'm too young to really remember 1988 and Kershaw is one of my favorite non-Mets. Also, fuck the Nationals, the Cubs and Cardinals.
No offense but I dont agree with that at all. First, we all know we had some financial issues to deal with (Madoff) but the Mets have recovered and are once again playing in big boy waters (150 millionish payroll) and need to be weary of increases in arbitration to many of their young starters in the coming years. It's likely to only go up further. Ironically, the Dodgers also went through severe financial issues a few years back before they were saved by MLB and handed over to owners who spend like drunkin sailors. Absorbing awful contracts like Crawford so they could get a Adrian Gonzalez on the roster is just bad baseball IMO. In the very least, there is nothing commendable about it. There 250 million dollar payroll wasn't any more talented than ours and I think we proved that last year.
Im still not buying the injury excuse. The Dodgers had a weak rotation going in outside of Kershaw. They didn't have high profile guys like Syndergaard, Matz, and Wheeler filling out the rest of their rotation. Heading in, Harvey was the ACE of the best rotation in baseball. Harvey was a mess all year before he was eventually KO'd. Losing Kershaw for half a season in terms of expectations is probably equal. Wheeler was supposed to be back by now and Matz and Syndergaard have dealt with injuries all year. Move over to the lineup where literally almost everyone was out for stretches. Adrian Gonzalez(who they've had) alone equals Duda. Who in their lineup equals Cespedes? Nobody. It's just not even close IMO.
I'd be fine with rolling with TDA again next year. For me, this offseason is about keeping Cespedes, adding a 5th starter type, signing one of the top bullpen arms on the market, and declining Bruce's option. Hopefully the team just gets some better luck next year.
TDA has been hitting over league average since the deadline (outstanding for a catcher) and I would hardly consider adding a 30 HR bat and NL RBI leader "not improving the team" regardless of how he's hit since he's got here.
One thing I'll add though is that Corey Seager doesn't just equal Cespedes but is better IMO. He might be the best player in baseball right now. He's 22 years old, already bagged 6.6 WAR this year and has a 146 wRC. A complete stud.
Well, that's your opinion. I disagree.
One thing I'll add though is that Corey Seager doesn't just equal Cespedes but is better IMO. He might be the best player in baseball right now. He's 22 years old, already bagged 6.6 WAR this year and has a 146 wRC. A complete stud.
Ok fair enough. Now we are talking though. Remove Seager (Cespedes), remove Gonzalez (Duda), and count Puig as a step back (Conforto) and we are getting close. Ill leave out Wright, TDA, (Reyes and Cabrera during a crucial stretch) and others just for the sake of argument....
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I would hardly consider adding a 30 HR bat and NL RBI leader "not improving the team" regardless of how he's hit since he's got here.
RBIs? Cmon. The guy has been barely replacement or worse by both fWar and bWar over a 3 three period. That's a lot of ABs. He stinks. Just please don't pick up his option next year. Paying almost $30M for both Bruce and Granderson when we have Conforto and (hopefully) Cespedes would be stupid.
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I would hardly consider adding a 30 HR bat and NL RBI leader "not improving the team" regardless of how he's hit since he's got here.
RBIs? Cmon. The guy has been barely replacement or worse by both fWar and bWar over a 3 three period. That's a lot of ABs. He stinks. Just please don't pick up his option next year. Paying almost $30M for both Bruce and Granderson when we have Conforto and (hopefully) Cespedes would be stupid.
While I agree RBIs are useless as a stat, Bruce had a wRC+ of over 120 at the time of the trade and was a left handed power bat, something we desperately needed with Duda out and Conforto struggling. Is that star production? No. But that's still pretty damn nice. I could care less about WAR from a CO spot. It's an offensive position. Bruce will 100% be back next year and I'm betting we could flip him for a nice package if we wanted to.
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I welcome any Yankees fan who is reading this thread to comment. And like I stated yesterday, as far as NY rivalries, the Yankees aren't a team I hate. But man, it's frustrating to share the city with a franchise that basically went through a rebuild so quickly where our Mets seem to be on a downward spiral.
Of course I am not jumping teams but it in a natural comparison to our cross town rivals, how the hell did they tear it down and build it up so quick?
I welcome any Yankees fan who is reading this thread to comment. And like I stated yesterday, as far as NY rivalries, the Yankees aren't a team I hate. But man, it's frustrating to share the city with a franchise that basically went through a rebuild so quickly where our Mets seem to be on a downward spiral.
Of course I am not jumping teams but it in a natural comparison to our cross town rivals, how the hell did they tear it down and build it up so quick?
The Yankees last won a World Series in 2009. They've been dying a slow death since then. I'd hardly call it a quick turn around even if their young players all do work out. I'd also calm down a little with the whole rebuild nonsense being over with. They have a ways to go with their rotation and as we've seen with Conforto and TDA, some guys light the world on fire when they first come up and then struggle later once the league figures them out. Maybe they are rebuilt next year but maybe they aren't.
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I posted something similar last night. This team is draining to watch this year. There have been so many poor years but with the expectations and last year's WS appearance, these losses sting more so than they have in years past.
I welcome any Yankees fan who is reading this thread to comment. And like I stated yesterday, as far as NY rivalries, the Yankees aren't a team I hate. But man, it's frustrating to share the city with a franchise that basically went through a rebuild so quickly where our Mets seem to be on a downward spiral.
Of course I am not jumping teams but it in a natural comparison to our cross town rivals, how the hell did they tear it down and build it up so quick?
The Yankees last won a World Series in 2009. They've been dying a slow death since then. I'd hardly call it a quick turn around even if their young players all do work out. I'd also calm down a little with the whole rebuild nonsense being over with. They have a ways to go with their rotation and as we've seen with Conforto and TDA, some guys light the world on fire when they first come up and then struggle later once the league figures them out. Maybe they are rebuilt next year but maybe they aren't.
Yeah, Sanchez has been impressive and good for the Yankees but there will almost certainly be a big adjustment period with him. I mean, Sanchez has done a great job hitting HRs on slow, lollipop pitches directly over the plate but let's see how he does when the pitchers catch up to him and give him nothing to hit. A lot like Conforto from last year and this year. Conforto is known for having a great eye but this year pitchers were giving him NOTHING to hit and he started chasing. But the Yanks do have some nice prospects. But they also have to deal with a tough division that is getting better. We'll probably have to deal with the same in the near future. Let's just hope our own studs turn it on and grow into pros.
Do or Die Time, Mets!
I just think with Lagares out he's been able to play even a LITTLE bit and it's helped a ton. He's still basically a bench player but in the early part of the season, he was buried and basically getting an atbat here and there every other week. I think that would have been difficult for any player. Never got the hatred for a guy with so few atbats.